YaYaYa,I know.But heres the deal.Firefox and some of the other web browsers look to be over my head,this opinion coming from tech no nerd buddies of mine that are always tweaking their computers.I have my new laptop set to auto update and I have to go into advanced to un check the ie7 down load.My old Dell was never the same after the service pack 2 download,I fought that thing for a year before I got to the point of being able to trust it again.So what do you guys think?I have yet to see a pic of what the browser will look like after the install.Will it change other stuff like my google tool bar?

Do you like it?
Any problems?
Bunch of updates you have to do after the install?

Any advise will be appreciated:worship:

Well if you are staying away from FireFox for techie reasons, you probably don't want to go to the beta version of IE7.

"Microsoft says that this preview version is aimed at developers and tech enthusiasts; another prerelease version meant for the masses will come later."

PC World (http://blogs.pcworld.com/techlog/archives/001373.html)


Dang! I thought I caught this before I posted it. The article is about a year old - sorry

Firefox is as techie as you do or do not want it to be. It still beats IE as an overall browser experience.

PC World (http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1791670684;fp;2;fpid;3)

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Good reads!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like a guy should wait awile.

I downloaded IE7 the other day at the suggestion of autoupdate and am liking it so far.

I had several frustrations with IE7 NOT BETA. They included problems with Quick Book (which has been addressed by Intuit), a problem with iTunes (which can be overcome by reinstalling iTunes), and a problem with history and cookies randomly clearing.

On the other hand to maintain integrity I have migrated ALL of my clients to IE7 and have no problems so far. It has some nice new security features built in. I am also under the impression, by the way they've (MS) been doing things, that IE6 will be out the door very soon.

They expired Windows Defender without telling anyone causing EVERYONE who didn't have the very most up to date just released Defender , to get an unexplainable error. I spent a full day on the MS Tech Net pages with a bunch of other admins trying to figure it out. If you install the latest Defender you won't have a problem but no one tells you that and neither did the error.

I think there are some compatibility issues on the horizon and unless you have everything up to date you're going to suffer. It seems to me that they're getting all the Vista like things in place prior to Vista itself and they're forcing people do get ready.

I haven't used IE7, don't really plan too either.

The thing with Firefox and similar browsers is that they come by default setup for the average user, very much in the way IE does.

What differentiates FF is that it gives you so many options to customize it and tweak it to behave differently then default. Wether you decide too tweak it or not is up to you. If you choose not too you will still be able to get alot of use out of the defaults.

If you still choose to use IE I would stick with the latest version available, just like I would with any other browser since they should be more secure.


I would give firefox or possibly opera a try, you will still have IE as a fallback if they are just too much for you right now.

If you went IE7 you wold probably have to update your google toolbar, though if I recall IE7 has a similar search toolbar built in (as does firefox/opera)

On a somewhat related topic, has anyone else tried office 2007? I was able to get it free through school. Still havent completely warmed to the whole "ribbon" thing, and I'm sure all my friends will soon hate me when they cant open any word or powerpoint files I send them.

On a somewhat related topic, has anyone else tried office 2007? I was able to get it free through school. Still havent completely warmed to the whole "ribbon" thing, and I'm sure all my friends will soon hate me when they cant open any word or powerpoint files I send them.

That won't be to big a problem - MS is releasing free converters and extension upgrades so the older versions of office can open the 2007 files.

I tried IE 7 for a few days and hated it. Trouble is my my autoUpdate keeps wanting to add it back. So every day I have to say no. It won't take NO as a permanent choice!! Microsoft shoves its shit down your throat!

I use IE7 as well as FireFox. My biggest problem is that many people that create webpages don't consider other browsers and so many things don't appear correctly in FF. I am a huge fan of "tabbed" browsing but it seems much slower on IE than on FF.

IE7 is well out of beta that's why it's available through windows update.
I have been using it since about last November I guess?
Anyway, I can count the problems I have had with it on one hand.
I did have some application conflicts but they were minor.
If you use the HP director application you'll need to get an update for that after you install IE7, mine would not launch for months but HP released an update that fixed it.
I had trouble with a few websites but the ones that mattered to me, I emailed them and the problem was fixed within a week.
The longer it is out the less problems there will be. I suppose it depends on what you do on the web, but the problems I have had with it are about gone and I really like the way it works far far better than IE6.
You can still use the Google toolbar but you can integrate it into the regular bar much better than the old way. In fact you can use one of several search options, I have mine set to default to a google search.

It's actually quite nice.
It does take some getting used to.

It blows.

www.opera.com

Best of the bunch. Emulates either IE or FF so it has less compatibility issues yet more protection.

I've been using Firefox since '04. I'll never go back to IE. It seems you can't complete a Windows update without doing so. I guess my software will be in a "frozen" state. Oh well, my machine is stable and works just fine.

Microsoft has always "pushed" updates and will continue to do so. After all, they can continue to provide support for a finite number of product releases. I use IE7 and like it ok. I like tabbed browsing and the interface is easy. JMO

I'm well aware of their updates. We have had to remove IE7 from several machines as it causes some issues with our application. Firefox simply works and I've never had issues with spyware, etc since I've been using it. I've cleaned more than a few machines where the user relied on IE.

I've cleaned more than a few machines where the user relied on IE.

Haven't we all.

Werd. My boss brings in his daughter's laptop from time to time. It's like she does things on purpose. At least three times that pile of junk has been in here and totally eaten up with things. Runonce in the registry is filled with spyware, startup too. The computer is literaly unusable.

Don't touch it.
The interface is changed for no good reason, the tabs are awkward (from what I've seen of their new products, Microsoft has conveniently abandoned usability as a design phillosophy and addopted stupid graphical appeals to the masses.
My dad (who just LOOOOVES microsoft...) showed it to me trying to make it seem all cool. In the first two minutes it crashed. CRASHED!! Ah, I'll never touch that!

Opera seems better way to go than IE7 .For some unknown reason, the fans get heated up in the notebook if I open more than 3 tabs on IE7 .
In addition I am fed up with sending error reports to Microsoft. However IE7 is my default browser for all the troubles and quirks .
BTW, if anyone would like an XP conversion to Vista let me know I can post a thread on it . It's not a real Vista but Vista like program for XP users

You can disable tabular browsing and you can make the interface look almost exactly like IE6 in about 15 seconds. Tabular browsing is a good feature and is VERY useful. I don't personally use it because of habit, but I think it's a good move in the right direction.

I haven't seen IE7 crash yet and I've installed it on 200 + machines of different flavors with all sorts of hardware.

Don't be so quick to bash it because it's MS. It's actually not a bad browser that incorporates several good design elements.

Don't touch it.
The interface is changed for no good reason, the tabs are awkward (from what I've seen of their new products, Microsoft has conveniently abandoned usability as a design phillosophy and addopted stupid graphical appeals to the masses.
My dad (who just LOOOOVES microsoft...) showed it to me trying to make it seem all cool. In the first two minutes it crashed. CRASHED!! Ah, I'll never touch that!

3 pages of opinions and advice (sweet!)keep it coming guys.The fact is,I have no nads!This new comp is all I have,I sold my Deldo,and as soon as the kids head back off to college this comp is my only port hole to the world wide web!!!!!!!!!!I absolutely can't live without my e-mail!This place is way up on my priorities list too.Our IT guy at work has advised me not to do the IE7 download,he hates it.But he's into this stuff so deep and a dos and linux guy soooooooooo,maybe not the best opinion to give a tech dissadvantaged moron such as myself!

I have been using it for months. I love it and have not had any issues... yet...

As a guy that also dislikes MS and has been hard core Linux for 15 years I say it's safe to install. Weather you like it or not will be a personal preference thing. I don't find it much different than IE6 except there's some good built in security now.

As I said earlier you can make it look almost like IE6 in seconds.

Just played around with IE7 on one of the kids comp,different.I don't know

I've had it about a month and like it. No problems.

YaYaYa,I know.But heres the deal.Firefox and some of the other web browsers look to be over my head,this opinion coming from tech no nerd buddies of mine that are always tweaking their computers.I have my new laptop set to auto update and I have to go into advanced to un check the ie7 down load.My old Dell was never the same after the service pack 2 download,I fought that thing for a year before I got to the point of being able to trust it again.So what do you guys think?I have yet to see a pic of what the browser will look like after the install.Will it change other stuff like my google tool bar?

Do you like it?
Any problems?
Bunch of updates you have to do after the install?

Any advise will be appreciated:worship:

I see no reason to not use firefox (ff). You can tweak it extensively (about:config + addons), but can also just install and use it. Even without tweaking, ff "draws" pages much faster than IE and is much safer.

On a side note; anyone happen to see the overflow exploit for IE 5.5+ that existed for almost a year? It was just recently patched.

Why would anyone still be using IE 5.5

See that's part of the problem here. People use 10 year old software never patch the system and then blame MS for the security risks.

I think MS is pretty damn good at getting patches out these days. Especially if it's major. I'm not knocking FF. It's a great browser and I'm not really sticking up for MS but again, Don't bash them just because it's been so easy in the past.

I think MS has come a long way in the last few years and as far as I'm concerned FF with all the plug-ins you need to enjoy today's Internet is just as vulnerable as IE

The only reason it was sooo secure in the beginning is because it wouldn't render anything. I used FF 1.0 for a while. It was like surfing the net 15 years ago. Nothing worked, every page caused an error because it had something on it that FF would do.

I see no reason to not use firefox (ff). You can tweak it extensively (about:config + addons), but can also just install and use it. Even without tweaking, ff "draws" pages much faster than IE and is much safer.

On a side note; anyone happen to see the overflow exploit for IE 5.5+ that existed for almost a year? It was just recently patched.

I recommend IE 7. I like the features and have absolutely no problems with it.

codewize - I agree with you that people do blame microsoft for people with old software. A lot of the times, it is the people to blame. They dont know how to properly take care of a computer and let it get all diseased up and blame it on MS.

Its funny...my across the street neighbor was in with the inventor of javascript, and my neighbor and this guy sold javascript to bill gates :thumbsup: <--------- LUCKY BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would anyone still be using IE 5.5

See that's part of the problem here. People use 10 year old software never patch the system and then blame MS for the security risks.

Not bashing MS, well... maybe a little. When I say IE 5.5+, the + implies up through version 7. So, the exploit has been there for a good amount of time.


I think MS has come a long way in the last few years and as far as I'm concerned FF with all the plug-ins you need to enjoy today's Internet is just as vulnerable as IE

I can't see this to be true, considering the embedded nature of IE and the OS.

The only reason it was sooo secure in the beginning is because it wouldn't render anything. I used FF 1.0 for a while. It was like surfing the net 15 years ago. Nothing worked, every page caused an error because it had something on it that FF would do.
FF2.0.1 is out now :)

Not looking to hijack the thread into a MS security argument, so I'll leave well enough alone.

BTW- I do like IE7.

No no I do understand. You're right in may ways. I just think a lot of things have changed over the years. I don't have any holds on MS but it seems to be the thing to do.

Well,I took the plunge.All updates are in including the IE7.I like the multiple windows,I don't know if there refreshing themselves.I like the cleaner look,I took the tour and it's pretty dummed down for me so that was nice of them.Maybe it's me but it seems to load pages faster than before.Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!If you mods want to remove the thread go for it.

i have been using IE7 since Beta 2. Use it, you will feel like IE6 is something out of Win95 in comparisson.

I HAVE to have my tabbed windows.... And not everything I need to use works yet with FireFox.

My favorite feature is that I can set five pages to load when I open IE, I can shoot through my forums and get set up to work quickly and easily in the morning.
I know other browsers do that also, but I don't have time to fiddle around with things that are less than fully automatic.
I have still had less issues with IE7 than I can count on one hand and I have also been using it since Beta 2.

I do know it has issues with some applications that I don't use.

I hear that. I think IE6 would open multiple pages at once too, but in multiple windows, which is a nightmare....

My favorite feature is that I can set five pages to load when I open IE, I can shoot through my forums and get set up to work quickly and easily in the morning.
I know other browsers do that also, but I don't have time to fiddle around with things that are less than fully automatic.
I have still had less issues with IE7 than I can count on one hand and I have also been using it since Beta 2.

I do know it has issues with some applications that I don't use.

I haven't figured out how to have 5 pages open at startup.Figured it out!Me likey!

I don't do that at home, I just have one homepage, but at work I use multiple web applications and I prefer having them all in one window, it saves me having to sort through all the deals in the taskbar to find the right one, and what I really hated was if I had 3 windows open XP would put them all to one icon and then I had to click and then click again from a list.

I suppose MS is behind on this feature, but I am glad they integrated it.