: M5 article and the V



SilverBullet
12-26-06, 06:53 PM
Anyboby see the new issue of Car and Driver?

Apparently due to demands of the US market BMW finally put a six-speed into the M5 instead of the SMG. They were concerned about 'product liability' issues of drivetrain component failure they made the stability system so that you CANNOT turn it off. It apparently is really intrusive during handling maneuvers.

So, would you guys trade our diff issues for Stabilitrak that you can't turn off? I think that I like being able to turn 'the nanny' off.

Jack

CIWS
12-26-06, 06:55 PM
Definately like being able to change modes or turn it off if I so desire. Lexus is the same way, always on.

The Tony Show
12-26-06, 07:01 PM
I'll deal with the rear issues if the only alternative is having Hans, the BMW liability attorney riding shotgun.

Feffman
12-26-06, 07:56 PM
Apparently due to demands of the US market BMW finally put a six-speed into the M5 instead of the SMG. They were concerned about 'product liability' issues of drivetrain component failure they made the stability system so that you CANNOT turn it off. It apparently is really intrusive during handling maneuvers.


So much for the "Ultimate Driving Machine". Buddy of mine is trading his 2006 M5 for a new one because he hates (and that's a quote) the SMG after driving it for less then a year.

Rear end/differential problems? Thank goodness for warranties!

Feff

SilverBullet
12-26-06, 10:08 PM
I'll deal with the rear issues if the only alternative is having Hans, the BMW liability attorney riding shotgun.

I agree. Plus have you ever tried to do a doughnut with Stabilitrac on??

Kadonny
12-27-06, 08:12 AM
So much for the "Ultimate Driving Machine". Buddy of mine is trading his 2006 M5 for a new one because he hates (and that's a quote) the SMG after driving it for less then a year.

Rear end/differential problems? Thank goodness for warranties!

Feff


I need more detail on why he hates the SMG.

I test drove a 550I with the SMG and loved it. Plus, it always has the automatic mode if you want to change things up.

SilverBullet
12-27-06, 08:26 AM
Plus, it always has the automatic mode if you want to change things up.

Let me start by saying that I haven't driven anything but an M3 with SMG but from what I have read the big complaint about this version of the 7-speed SMG is the auto mode. It is described as very irritating.

-J

rand49er
12-27-06, 08:33 AM
Yeah, I read it yesterday. M5 came in last place. :histeric: The S6 seems to be slower than the V.

Also, that epitome-of-subjectivity "Gotta have it factor" was engineered so the E63 won. I'm sure it's a superb vehicle, but I fail to see how they think they can get away with it when that particular score appears to have been manipulated to get the result they want/need for their mag. :tisk:

Kadonny
12-27-06, 08:45 AM
Let me start by saying that I haven't driven anything but an M3 with SMG but from what I have read the big complaint about this version of the 7-speed SMG is the auto mode. It is described as very irritating.

-J


I have heard that too, but I would love to hear exactly why. I know the older M3 SMGs are supposed to be inferior to the new M5s SMG. Still, I would love to hear from a guy who owned one for a year as to what his opinion was.

The Tony Show
12-27-06, 09:19 AM
The SMG is extremely harsh in manual, and a dog in auto. Motor Trend's exact words:

"In the most aggressive automatic manual mode, it hammers home shifts like John Henry racing the steam drill- WHOP-WHOP-WHOP!! But in full automatic, it's all but impossible to avoid huge gaps between the lower gears. One logbook scribbler summed it up to the test crew's unanimous response: "I tried to leave it in auto mode, but I just couldn't stand it."

Perhaps the most telling testimonial of this second-generation SMG is this: Initially, it was to be the 2006 M5's only transmission. However, BMW now plans to offer the option of a six-speed manual this fall. Enough said."

haveboost
12-27-06, 05:43 PM
The SMG is extremely harsh in manual, and a dog in auto. Motor Trend's exact words:

"In the most aggressive automatic manual mode, it hammers home shifts like John Henry racing the steam drill- WHOP-WHOP-WHOP!! But in full automatic, it's all but impossible to avoid huge gaps between the lower gears. One logbook scribbler summed it up to the test crew's unanimous response: "I tried to leave it in auto mode, but I just couldn't stand it."

Perhaps the most telling testimonial of this second-generation SMG is this: Initially, it was to be the 2006 M5's only transmission. However, BMW now plans to offer the option of a six-speed manual this fall. Enough said."

That's because they don't know how to set up the car. It has adjustments on how hard the gears go in. YES in automatic it's terrible, but as long as you drive it like a manual. I use the steering pedals or the actual smg stick it's nice that way, you don't get the jerk. But when it's time you hit that M button and you go to P500, S6 settings and you feel like Juan Pablo Montoya. I like it because it feels like a manual without having to hit the clutch.

JimNap
12-27-06, 07:15 PM
I owned an 2004 M3 with SMG and I loved it.... The downshifting was absolutely amazing

theformer
12-27-06, 11:05 PM
I drove several SMG cars at a BMW event at California Super Speedway this year and I really didn't like it much. The pick up off the line is a dog and upshifting is clunky and almost painful. And this was in everything from the Z4 to the M3, the 330, the 650 and the M6.

Where is does really shine though is on a track at speed. The perfectly synched (and really pretty quick) downshifts were a delight and the M6 always had a gear that was perfect for the situation.

I would never own one though. I really enjoy a stick - it connects me with the car in a way that an auto doesn't. It certainly sucks in traffic, but I like to drive, not just steer.

Jon
12-27-06, 11:17 PM
I wouldnt trade my CTS for a M5, let alone my V.

Seattle CTS-V
12-28-06, 01:55 AM
I have a friend with a new M5 and another with a new M6 (I haven't raced either yet) and they both seem to like the SMG's. Then again, they rave about the I-drive (is that what it's called?) as well...

Kadonny
12-28-06, 07:27 AM
I wouldnt trade my CTS for a M5, let alone my V.


Dude, with all due respect............you're crazy. I would trade a regular CTS for an an M5 in a nanosecond and I would trade a CTS-V for an M5 any day of the week.

The M5 is an awesome piece of machinery if you know how to drive it. As much as I love the Caddies, the M5 is just that much better.

atdeneve
12-28-06, 08:05 AM
Dude, with all due respect............you're crazy. I would trade a regular CTS for an an M5 in a nanosecond and I would trade a CTS-V for an M5 any day of the week.

The M5 is an awesome piece of machinery if you know how to drive it. As much as I love the Caddies, the M5 is just that much better.


Yeah, you beat me to it.

Let's not get delusional here. CTS ... M5 ... CTS ... M5. Mmmmkay, I'm gonna have to go with the M5. Not a difficult choice there. Even if you put a V after the CTS. Though, I would probably get the V, as well. Just so I could have a lil' sumtin-sumtin to tinker with. Tink, tink, I like to play. :D

OldRoadDawg
12-28-06, 08:51 AM
".. but I like to drive, not just steer"
'nuff said

Jon
12-28-06, 01:11 PM
Dude, with all due respect............you're crazy. I would trade a regular CTS for an an M5 in a nanosecond and I would trade a CTS-V for an M5 any day of the week.

The M5 is an awesome piece of machinery if you know how to drive it. As much as I love the Caddies, the M5 is just that much better.
First of all, they sound like crap. Second of all, I don't care how fast it is, I could never drive such an ugly car. It's the same with women. I don't care how good of a personality she has, if she's hideous, I couldn't do it.

erp2863
12-28-06, 04:58 PM
Yeah, I read it yesterday. M5 came in last place. :histeric: The S6 seems to be slower than the V.

Also, that epitome-of-subjectivity "Gotta have it factor" was engineered so the E63 won. I'm sure it's a superb vehicle, but I fail to see how they think they can get away with it when that particular score appears to have been manipulated to get the result they want/need for their mag. :tisk:

I flipped through the article yesterday at the airport. Wasn't the E63 a bit faster than the M5? The only negative I remember is the dated styling, which IMHO the M5 is just as dated.

Silver Dollar
12-28-06, 05:27 PM
You can almost buy two brand new CTS-Vs for the price of one M5.

Is it really that much better?

CIWS
12-28-06, 05:32 PM
It's the same with women. I don't care how good of a personality she has, if she's hideous, I couldn't do it.

You need to drink more Tequila http://ciws.net/smiles/mex.gif

SilverBullet
12-29-06, 11:58 AM
Is it really that much better?

sounds like they have wheel hop concerns too. They solve it with traction control that you can't turn off.