: What V Owners Were Awesome Enough to Own an SHO???



thebigjimsho
12-21-06, 12:19 PM
I've noticed a number of people here revealing their previous ownership of an SHO. I notice quite a parallel between the two vehicles and many of their owners. Post here on your love/hate relationship with the SHO.

rand49er
12-21-06, 12:42 PM
'91 Black (stolen when in El Paso, TX)
'92 White (leased for two yrs)
'95 Green (bought used w/42k, drove for 105k, sold after getting my V)

Loved 'em. No comparison with V, though ... 'twas still a Taurus. Too bad Ford stopped maintaining parts for my '95. :rant2: '96 and newer V8s had cam problems ... Ford ignored owners' concerns. Overall, great sports sedan for the time.

trekster
12-21-06, 12:51 PM
in the process of getting a 95 MTX.

thebigjimsho
12-21-06, 12:53 PM
It was a Taurus but that car was transformed by the Yamaha engine. Except for the early 90's M5, what 4 door sedan could beat it? And that engine premiered in '89. How long was it before another 6 cylinder engine attained more than its 220hp?

It was still a Ferd, for sure. I've always been a GM guy anyway but the SHO was such a cultish car. It was massively underengineered in a lot of ways. It's clutch was too small, the brakes were too small and the electronics were typical Ford. Anything that took current I think I replaced. But when you hit the gas, all those problems seemed small. And I loved that car.

I bought mine with 52k miles on December 15, 1993. I sold it 3 years ago with 212k miles. And it was heavily modified over that time.

rand49er
12-21-06, 01:04 PM
Everything between the trans output spline and the wheels was insufficient. Dump the clutch at 4k RPM and :canttalk: ... well, it's just not pretty.

My brother is a program manager at Ford and told me last summer that they are working on a V-like car. I didn't pump him for more info, but sports sedans with decent uumph are where it's at IMHO.

srracer
12-21-06, 01:06 PM
I had a '95 MTX for 9 years. It was a SAD day when I sold it, but I kept it in great shape and it sold in about a day and a half at my asking price.

HUGE parallel between the two cars. The performance/luxury/price point for each cars was very reasonable for their respective eras.

I've got to say, though, that as much as I liked the SHO, the CTS-V does put bigger smiles on my face. :)

-Chris

veloce
12-21-06, 01:26 PM
I've owned 2 an 89 which we put 175k on before it was sold . My wife still drives the 2nd one a 96 with 100k on it.The CTS-V is what I was always looking for in an american sedan. One drive and I bought it( after much haggling with dealers). Jeff

thebigjimsho
12-21-06, 01:29 PM
I've got to say, though, that as much as I liked the SHO, the CTS-V does put bigger smiles on my face. :)

-ChrisOn the track, YES! When I bought my SHO I was 20 and it blew me away that I could have such a car then. And to be honest, for everyday driving, the SHO is more fun because that engine made you want to redline it every time. And sometimes you just can't in the V. It's too violently fast.:yup:

heavypedal
12-21-06, 01:31 PM
I've noticed a number of people here revealing their previous ownership of an SHO. I notice quite a parallel between the two vehicles and many of their owners. Post here on your love/hate relationship with the SHO.


LOVE: That Yamaha built "sho-gun" engine.

HATE: The substandard parts that surrounded the engine ;)

heavypedal
12-21-06, 01:38 PM
Absolutely loved the car...I mean the engine. That engine was freaking bullet-proof. It created a great melody too...buddies loved to hear that thing scream. I remember driving a couple SHO's that first year they came out (1989..damn, such a long time ago) and the one I bought somehow seemed way faster than the others. Ka-ching. Howver, wrapping that beautiful "sho-gun" Yamaha engine was.... Ford. Actually, the trans or clutch assembly was Mazda (I forget which... went through a few clutches and transmissions). It seems Ford didn't know what to do with a 220hp front wheel drive car. It had a V6, 5 speed, leather, creature comforts of a pretty nice car. Then there was the Taurus body...nothing says "rent-a-car" like a Taurus. So they threw some ground effects on to differentiate... then I added a spoiler. I look back now on how dorky that spoiler looked on a Taurus, but I didn't care. I had it pumped up just enough to beat my buddies' mustangs. Yeah, the V8 was a joke in the new bubble design for the Taurus. I still see them on the road every now and then.... sputtering, blowing smoke, past their prime. Oh well, enter the V. Lots of similarities. Price point (at the time), hot performance for the times, 4 door, somewhat of a sleeper (for cops who don't know whats under the hood). But man does it get better with rear-wheel-drive, 400HP, and much better looks inside and out.

heavypedal
12-21-06, 01:39 PM
Oh, and I think the engine was rated low. That damn thing was fun.

heavypedal
12-21-06, 01:42 PM
I have yet to take the V to the track. Still looking for a school to come to VIR (closest track to Raleigh, NC) or might join an auto club.

I did take the 89 SHO to Track Time when I lived in Texas. Took the 2 day drive-your-own-car school... man that was fun. Guys were laughing when I cruised a Taurus up to the tarmac.... then they started seeing my lap times ;) Man, what a learning experience and a lot of fun. A pair of tires and brakes later....

SilverBullet
12-21-06, 04:55 PM
Mine was a dark green '94. I too, loved my SHO and in fact my wife and I still refer to it in conversation. I had lightly modded it with exhaust, underdrive pullys, shock tower braces and a chip. I had it from '95 until '98 when it was stolen and then recovered. I will never forget the first question the DC cops asked me when they recovered it. They asked if I ever drove it "off-road". I said 'uh...dude, its a freakin' TAURUS'. When I got it back I saw why they asked me that...the dirbag that stole it drove it through fields or whatever because the undercarriage was PACKED with weeds and grass. It was never the same after.

I agree that there are many paralells between the SHO and the V. Great motor, substandard interior and build quality. Both are a blast to drive. I never quite got used to front wheel drive handling characteristics, though.

btraer
12-21-06, 08:40 PM
I had a 1992 and a 1994. Liked them both.

HiTechRV
12-21-06, 09:07 PM
I enjoyed my '89 black SHO 5 speed MTX, and I have back for my teens to drive my old '96 and '98 SHOs. I prefer GM to Fords but the price was right (gifts - they have stayed in the family from new).

Maintenance is complex but I've always liked performance sedans and the '89 was probably the first of the current generation of modern american performance sedans. I think the v8 SHOs may have spurred GM to start putting small block v8's into so many sedans that were limited to v6's before.

Chef
12-21-06, 10:00 PM
:postpics:

BLACK_CTSV
12-21-06, 10:42 PM
Yes - anyone have pics of these things? They always intrigued me in my younger years. I remember seeing one on a magazine cover doing burnout :cheers:

HiTechRV
12-21-06, 11:06 PM
http://v8sho.com
http://www.theautochannel.com/media/photos/ford/1997/97_ford_taurus_sho-1.jpg
http://http://www.cnlperformance.com/images/sho.jpg (http://www.cnlperformance.com/images/sho.jpg)
http://home.g00.itscom.net/creasso/G02/SHO.jpg
http://www.shoshop.com/

GAGS-V
12-21-06, 11:24 PM
I had two, a 92 and a 94. Both were dark green in color. Major difference between the two is the 92 was a stick and the 94 was an automatic. Two cars never felt so different. The 92 I loved, it was a better handeler and seemed much faster. The 94 was ok but I was more than happy to move into a 2nd generation Lightining. The 92 was pretty advanced for that time in that it had dual air bags, controls on the steering wheel (of which many jokes were made about), climate control and other things that for that time made for a great vehicle.

The V is the first GM car I have owned in twenty years. Although it has a few issues, it truely is a great car that does bring a grin every time the right foot gets an itch:).

BLACK_CTSV
12-21-06, 11:49 PM
Love this pic!!! What a great looking engine bay! :cheers:

NEW77GUY
12-22-06, 01:52 AM
Amazing how many of us had one (or 2?) huh? :D It was my first (and last since then anyway) Ford product i've ever owned. And even then, i was sort of ok with it...only because the Yamaha engine i knew lurked undernieth the hood.

I had a '95 white rare 5-speed. Last year of the old kick-azz style. My first reckless driving speed ticket. I was in the military at the time- laying waste to a buddy of mine on I-95 here just south of DC at about 4:30am (no traffic). He was driving a V-6 Dodge Shadow...0-80 those cars were actually surprisingly quick. Anyhoo...i'm 22 yrs old and i get the SHO up to a click over 140 or so when i see the reflective trooper stripe about 1/8 of a mile ahead. Damn, i'm screwed...i put the thing in neutral, smack the brakes for about 1.5 seconds- and coast by him...my blinker already flashing to pull over. I wait at a dead stop 1/4 mile ahead while he guns his car to reach me. Radar: 101mph in a 55 zone. Didn't take me in, asked if i had been drinking (i hadden't had a drop) and let me go with a summons. Flash forward, i end up getting a 90-day restricted licence that basically got modified to drive wherever and whenever i wanted to because of the job i had in the service. Insurance NEVER went up, but i learned my lesson. Ended up selling it about 2 years later for an RX-7.

diamondj
12-22-06, 01:11 PM
1993 Green & Tan SHOmatic, 6 tranmissions in 150,000 miles but damn I loved that car. Dual exhust, banshee souding motor, great bang for your buck(if you don't count repairs) the rear end reminded me of a falcon with classic ford styling. I consider myself a chevy guy but I had to buy that car, last ford by the way.

diamondj
12-22-06, 01:15 PM
You could balance a nickle on top of the intake of that yamaha.

cornfed
12-22-06, 04:45 PM
Okay I didn't own one, but I was selling Fords for awhile back then and loved driving that car! (except for FWD.)

CTSV04
12-23-06, 08:22 AM
Just bought my wife a Volvo XC90 with a 300hp+ Yamaha V8. Curious if this motor is similar to the SHO Yamaha V8 used in the SHO? I've been impressed with the Yamaha motor. It has a great deep sound during hard acceleration! Of course the Volvo weighs as much as a tank so, 0-60 times aren't what one would expect from the Yamaha motor.

BBV
12-23-06, 11:06 AM
Boy this thread takes me back.
This was my 93-94? SHO 5 speed (and my wife’s new bike).
The picture was taken May ’95.
The SHO truly was a great car for it’s time and for the $$.
I drove the wheels off mine for two years and never had a single problem.
Ford did a magnificent job reducing torque steer. My wife had a
Taurus wagon with probably half the horsepower of the SHO and gobs
of torque steer.
Of all the cars I’ve owned since the SHO Including multiple new BMW’s (one M),
I still rank the SHO as second only to my V’s.
Thanks for the memories Jim!

gary442
12-23-06, 12:04 PM
I had a 98 SHO when I worked at Ford...was a totally awesome sleeper..I removed the V8 badges as I normally do on most of my cars, but the wheels and spoliers were a giveaway to those who were familar with the car. In any ewvent, the car was a real factory hot rod...on the otherside , the quality was certainly subpar to my current 06 CTS-V.

rand49er
12-23-06, 02:09 PM
I had a 98 SHO when I worked at Ford...was a totally awesome sleeper..I removed the V8 badges as I normally do on most of my cars, but the wheels and spoliers were a giveaway to those who were familar with the car. In any ewvent, the car was a real factory hot rod...on the otherside , the quality was certainly subpar to my current 06 CTS-V.Gary, did you have any cam problems?

Also, BBV, I always thought the torque steer to be pronounced on all three of my SHO 5-spd's ... can't imagine your wife's wagon. :eek: I had a '91 Taurus wagon ... that 3.0L didn't have enough power to have torque steer.

thebigjimsho
12-23-06, 02:22 PM
Yeah, from what I hear, all those V8s in the Gen III SHO will have cam failures eventually. There are a ton of SHOs out there that are parted because of that. The worst part is that Ford never issued a recall and let any failure not under warranty up to the owner. Big time joke on Ford's part.

A friend of mine up here in MA actually travels the country doing group cam welds. He does it well and does it fast. So if you know of anyone that needs it done...

rand49er
12-23-06, 04:27 PM
Yeah, from what I hear, all those V8s in the Gen III SHO will have cam failures eventually. There are a ton of SHOs out there that are parted because of that. The worst part is that Ford never issued a recall and let any failure not under warranty up to the owner. Big time joke on Ford's part.

A friend of mine up here in MA actually travels the country doing group cam welds. He does it well and does it fast. So if you know of anyone that needs it done...Yeah, and I've heard that to be preemptive doing this weld job is the preferred route to take, too.

The V6 was 3.0L, 220 HP ... really screamed at 7k RPM. Just think what they could've done if they had had variable valve timing back then ... :) .

HiTechRV
12-23-06, 07:35 PM
Jim,

You are friends with Kirk? I have the '96 welded and the '98 still needs to be before it starts being driven regularly next summer. I may actually tear it down to the cams and have a local guy come weld it when the cams are exposed, or I may have Kirk or one of the other regulars do it if they are in the area before then.

thebigjimsho
12-24-06, 12:05 AM
Jim,

You are friends with Kirk? I have the '96 welded and the '98 still needs to be before it starts being driven regularly next summer. I may actually tear it down to the cams and have a local guy come weld it when the cams are exposed, or I may have Kirk or one of the other regulars do it if they are in the area before then.Yeah, if your on Kirk's side he's a great guy.:bouncy:

I've hung out with him a bit and we rode together to the SHO National Convention in Indy in '05. I still do some stuff with the SHO crowd and Kirk is usually there. We almost got the National Convention in New England for next summer. Maybe for 2009. 2007 is in Kalamazoo, MI and 2008 is in Seattle.

HiTechRV
12-24-06, 11:52 AM
Yeah, if your on Kirk's side he's a great guy.:bouncy:


LOL - I know just what you mean, and I've never even met him in person. I did go to Don's shop back when he had a Dynojet though with Tim and some of the other guys.

thebigjimsho
12-24-06, 11:59 AM
LOL - I know just what you mean, and I've never even met him in person. I did go to Don's shop back when he had a Dynojet though with Tim and some of the other guys.How long ago was that? My V got a run on that dyno...

HiTechRV
12-24-06, 01:08 PM
Wow back in the 90's, when I had my '96 before I bought my '98 new, so probably '97 or '98. When I was there someone had in a "Monster Miata" in right around that time.

I visited Doug in Atlanta around that time frame too.

thebigjimsho
12-24-06, 01:13 PM
Wow back in the 90's, when I had my '96 before I bought my '98 new, so probably '97 or '98. When I was there someone had in a "Monster Miata" in right around that time.

I visited Doug in Atlanta around that time frame too.Sorry, I was thinking Dean up here in Worcester...

I remember first meeting Doug Lewis at the Dearborn convention in '95. He was bragging about how it took him only 13 hours to get from Atlanta to Detroit and I thought he was an embellishing goober. I found that not to be the case. At the Atlanta Convention in '99, he got under my '92 SHO to tighten a motor mount for me. I still owe him a case of Icehouse for that. :highfive:

thebigjimsho
07-11-07, 08:21 PM
Bumpzz for AirCav!

AirCav
07-11-07, 09:49 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/casino21/SHOlr.jpg

This is about the only picture I can find of my old SHO. What a sleeper! I always had people asking me "what dumbazz would put dual exhaust on a Taurus?" Haha.

220 hp solid lifter aluminum motor with a five speed.....in a Taurus. You think that people hate getting outrun by a Cadillac, the reaction to getting beat by a four door Taurus was even sweeter.

I had pretty good luck with it. Not much trouble at all. I replaced the clutch just before I sold it (that was kind of expensive) and had some a/c problems but that was pretty much it. Lots of fun, talk about having trouble getting the power to the ground! (and mine sure had torque steer!)

Sold it to buy the STS. Had them both for a little while and I have to admit, the Yamaha consistently spanked the Northstar. Different cars for different purposes, I guess.

I'd take a hard look if Ford came up with a modern version of that concept.

Well, enough of memory lane. Let's get back to my latest affliction, the hotrod Caddy! :thumbsup:

tweak48
07-12-07, 03:44 AM
I had two; both bought new:

A 1991 white on black Gen 1. One of the best cars I ever owned.:thumbsup:

A 1999 tropical green on tan Gen 3. One of the worst cars I ever owned. Part of the class action suit for the shitty cam sprockets.:annoyed:

Mallet-V
07-13-07, 10:54 AM
I had the pleasure of owning four.

(2) White 91's Mtx
Red 94' Mtx
Green 93' Atx

MWD
07-13-07, 11:47 AM
I had a 92 White/Black, which I dearly loved. I bought it after my first year in Pittsburgh, PA with a RWD Mazda, any my landlord (another car freak) convinced me to take a look at a SHO for only $8500. If it wasn't for the snow, I would probably have gotten a Mustang.

I purchased it is 96 for $8000 with only 46Kmiles, and it stickered for $24K. Talk about resale... It did need a syncro replacement for 4th gear, but was solid otherwise.

I had shelves full of drivetrain parts for it, but it was going to take a good 3 months out-of-service to get everything working, and I still didn't have the twin disc clutch worked out for handling a streetable 450hp motor. About a month after the 3rd child was born, the starter died, and I realized that I just didn't have the time and space to get it all done, and I got an email from JEM the SAME DAY with 2 Vs from Chesrown for $42K, and the rest they say is history.

Michael

http://michaelandjulie.com/pics/sho/shostopper1.jpg

thebigjimsho
07-13-07, 12:16 PM
I had a 92 White/Black, which I dearly loved. I bought it after my first year in Pittsburgh, PA with a RWD Mazda, any my landlord (another car freak) convinced me to take a look at a SHO for only $8500. If it wasn't for the snow, I would probably have gotten a Mustang.

I purchased it is 96 for $8000 with only 46Kmiles, and it stickered for $24K. Talk about resale... It did need a syncro replacement for 4th gear, but was solid otherwise.

I had shelves full of drivetrain parts for it, but it was going to take a good 3 months out-of-service to get everything working, and I still didn't have the twin disc clutch worked out for handling a streetable 450hp motor. About a month after the 3rd child was born, the starter died, and I realized that I just didn't have the time and space to get it all done, and I got an email from JEM the SAME DAY with 2 Vs from Chesrown for $42K, and the rest they say is history.

Michael

http://michaelandjulie.com/pics/sho/shostopper1.jpgYum! TCE SHOStoppers...

bossplayer
07-13-07, 12:29 PM
I am pretty sure mine was an 89 black with grey interior. Was very happy with it and it was dependable. Dependable means doing 110+ for 1000 mile road trips.

Was awesome for road trips and was the first car I would call a luxury car for me. Lumbar support and every other option available. Used the SHO for long distance travel or dates, 68 firebird 400 ram air for showing off, and a CBR 750 Honda for getting girls to uh, get unexpectedly aroused.

Oh yeah, Whisler, you stated you didn't get the whole SHO thing, I owned mine when you were about 10yo when I had mine, so I wouldn't have been after your opinion back then :tisk:. Do you know what a Grand National was?

Luna.
07-13-07, 01:20 PM
and a CBR 750 Honda for getting girls to uh, get unexpectedly aroused.

I never needed a car/motorcycle in order to do that. It's you lesser guys that need all the help...



:lildevil::D

bossplayer
07-13-07, 01:22 PM
I never needed a car/motorcycle in order to do that. It's you lesser guys that need all the help...



:lildevil::D

Never bought it for that purpose, just seemed to be an unexpected side effect. But if you owned one, you probably knew that....

JimmyH
07-13-07, 01:32 PM
I'd take a hard look if Ford came up with a modern version of that concept.


I have to wonder what Ford is waiting for. They have the Fusion, probably the best handling fwd sedan (Mazda6) that is on the market. And if they borrow the MPS6 with awd... An awd 6-speed Fusion SHO would (could) be the new king of sedans.

syd
07-15-07, 11:11 PM
sometimes I miss the motor in my '93, but not the car around it. It made me nervous and always felt like it might...I dunno...break.

CTSVetteMark
08-08-07, 01:58 PM
I owned a 1989 SHO, Black, 5 speed. Nice car, but only kept it for about a year and moved onto a 1985 Corvette! Hard to switch from being a GM guy to a Ford!

thebigjimsho
08-08-07, 02:06 PM
I owned a 1989 SHO, Black, 5 speed. Nice car, but only kept it for about a year and moved onto a 1985 Corvette! Hard to switch from being a GM guy to a Ford!It was all Yamaha...

Any good car that Ford built had a furrin' engine.

Silver Dollar
08-08-07, 05:09 PM
What V Owners Were Awesome Enough to Own an SHO???

I rented one once from Avis when they were out of all the good cars. Does that count?

JimmyH
08-08-07, 05:13 PM
Ford™ Taurus™ SHO™

MWD
08-08-07, 06:16 PM
I rented one once from Avis when they were out of all the good cars. Does that count?

Hmm... I did not know Avis rented SHOs.

Michael

JimmyH
08-08-07, 09:46 PM
avis rents everything, they rent corvettes

Silver Dollar
08-09-07, 12:36 AM
Hmm... I did not know Avis rented SHOs.

Michael

IT'S A JOKE SON!
http://onefoggy.tripod.com/images/fleg3.jpg

thebigjimsho
08-09-07, 04:19 PM
Hmmm...Supporting Member tabs are different...

sirjames
08-09-07, 09:49 PM
My lord, you must be kidding?! I would never own a Ford. My last car that would compare *somewhat* is the '96 Impala SS... You guys know that was a yamaha engine, right?

thebigjimsho
08-10-07, 12:15 AM
My lord, you must be kidding?! I would never own a Ford. My last car that would compare *somewhat* is the '96 Impala SS... You guys know that was a yamaha engine, right?You're kidding right?

Silver Dollar
08-10-07, 10:36 AM
No, you're kidding.

heavypedal
08-10-07, 11:06 AM
Nooo....you're kidding. Had an 89 SHO, black on grey, loved that car. The Yamaha engine was bullet-proof, then there was the poop that surrounded it (i.e. Ford). And talk about a sleeper! Plus, I noticed folks used to get out of my way quick....thinking I was a cop car. I guess guys in those Marauders get the same thing. Used to run mustangs an beat em...cracked me up.


p.s. The V is my direct replacement for the SHO that I loved to drive.
T

thebigjimsho
08-21-07, 04:01 PM
bumpzz for da n00bzz

Silver Dollar
08-21-07, 06:04 PM
You're right about it being a sleeper.

Here's the spec's on that bad boy!

1991 Ford Taurus SHO Specs

POWERTRAIN Transverse front-engine/front-wheel drive

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

.....uh...oh....sorry, I fell asleep.

Silver Dollar
08-21-07, 06:06 PM
where was I, oh...

ENGINE
3.4 liter DOHC V8
Horsepower: 235 hp @ 6100 RPM
Torque: 230 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM
Redline: 6800 RPM
Compression ratio 10:1
DRIVE TRAIN Four-speed automatic .......

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

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z06bigbird
08-21-07, 06:10 PM
I was never impressed with performance of SHO. Maybe it was just me.

Silver Dollar
08-21-07, 06:12 PM
no, it wasn't just you.

Mallet-V
08-21-07, 06:41 PM
By todays standards it would be slow, but..............for their day they were a fast sleeper. The Fox bodies ruled the streets in the late 80's and early 90's. The Sho would put up a good fight, especially from a 6 cylinder four door.

AirCav
08-21-07, 07:52 PM
I believe the L98 Corvette of that year put out an astounding 245 hp. I see your point. :bigroll:





where was I, oh...

ENGINE
3.4 liter DOHC V8
Horsepower: 235 hp @ 6100 RPM
Torque: 230 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM

thebigjimsho
08-21-07, 10:11 PM
where was I, oh...

ENGINE
3.4 liter DOHC V8
Horsepower: 235 hp @ 6100 RPM
Torque: 230 lb-ft @ 4800 RPM
Redline: 6800 RPM
Compression ratio 10:1
DRIVE TRAIN Four-speed automatic .......

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzThat's the drivetrain for the Gen III, first made in '96. But starting in 1989, the 220hp SHO would own Mustang GTs, T-Birds, IROC Z 305 and 350s, and auto Corvettes. No V6 could match its power output for years. So shove it, Mr. Ignoramus.:bouncy:

wildwhl
08-22-07, 12:10 AM
I could swear, back in the day, that this was a Cadillac forum :thepan:

Man, shit degrades fast!

WW

mtxsho93
08-22-07, 12:24 AM
That's the drivetrain for the Gen III, first made in '96. But starting in 1989, the 220hp SHO would own Mustang GTs, T-Birds, IROC Z 305 and 350s, and auto Corvettes. No V6 could match its power output for years. So shove it, Mr. Ignoramus.:bouncy:

Exactly. It was a well rounded car. It wasn't amazing at any one thing but it did do quite a few things pretty well. They can be made to handle well and are decent track cars. Jim is familiar with this particular one:

http://media.putfile.com/WGI-July-07-one-lap

We have pretty much the same engine mods but mine is a full weight street car. If I strip mine out like he did his, I'd have a killer track car.

Ian

http://users.rowan.edu/~fisher53/004.jpg
http://users.rowan.edu/~fisher53/stand.jpg
http://users.rowan.edu/~fisher53/wax0048.jpg

thebigjimsho
08-22-07, 12:54 AM
I could swear, back in the day, that this was a Cadillac forum :thepan:

Man, shit degrades fast!

WWQuiet you tulip lovin', Maggie apologizin', soft-ass Lexus drivin' foo!

wildwhl
08-22-07, 01:12 AM
Jimmie boy - no fair talking about how soft my ass is!!!

SHO = Shit Head Owners (per Mrs. Wheel)

WW

thebigjimsho
08-22-07, 08:07 AM
Jimmie boy - no fair talking about how soft my ass is!!!

SHO = Shit Head Owners (per Mrs. Wheel)

WWThat was just uncool. Where did you meet your wife, the Flying J?

wildwhl
08-22-07, 10:23 AM
BJ -

She's biased. A SHO owner totalled her car a couple years ago when running a red light.

In that case, the acronym is correct. In your case:

SHO = Still Heavily Opinionated

;)

WW

odla
08-22-07, 11:05 AM
That's the drivetrain for the Gen III, first made in '96. But starting in 1989, the 220hp SHO would own Mustang GTs, T-Birds, IROC Z 305 and 350s, and auto Corvettes. No V6 could match its power output for years. So shove it, Mr. Ignoramus.:bouncy:


1989 turbo v6 firebird indy pace car
Rated at 250 hp and 340 tq to keep the stats lower than the 1989 L98 Corvette (rated at 255 hp), actually dynoed around 280 rwhp 340 rwtq

bossplayer
08-22-07, 11:23 AM
1989 turbo v6 firebird indy pace car
Rated at 250 hp and 340 tq to keep the stats lower than the 1989 L98 Corvette (rated at 255 hp), actually dynoed around 280 rwhp 340 rwtq

LOL these were common, huh? 150 of them were made, so Jim, it looks like you were soooo wrong.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u98/born2befly/Random/turbo.jpg

thebigjimsho
08-22-07, 12:56 PM
1989 turbo v6 firebird indy pace car
Rated at 250 hp and 340 tq to keep the stats lower than the 1989 L98 Corvette (rated at 255 hp), actually dynoed around 280 rwhp 340 rwtqOh so sorry I didn't say no N/A V6 could match its output...

Care to match a V6 powered Regal against an SHO? No? How about we turbocharge the SHO then? Remember my buddy turboSHO? Take a look at his 1/2 mile speeds in this link...

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=80171

thebigjimsho
08-22-07, 01:00 PM
BJ -

She's biased. A SHO owner totalled her car a couple years ago when running a red light.

In that case, the acronym is correct. In your case:

SHO = Still Heavily Opinionated

;)

WWOf course...

JimmyH
08-22-07, 01:37 PM
I hate to side with bigjim, but why the hell are we comparing the Turbo Firebird http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/gif/apples.gif to a Taurus SHO? http://www.cooleywire.com/jimmyh/pics/gif/oranges.gif

That makes almost as much sense as all the people here comparing the CTS-V to the Z06 and Viper. There is a reason (most of us) bought a CTS-V; it has four doors and a back seat. Same as the SHO.

If I wanted to be the fastest, I would not have bought a sedan. Sheesh.

SHO or not, the Taurus was a great car in its time. The Firebird of that era (sadly) was not.

odla
08-22-07, 02:24 PM
we were comparing firebird ( turbo ) to sho because they both are v6 that were powerfull stock from the factory. i liked the sho, they were fast. i love running them in my 89 though. when you think about it they both have 4 seats. i know diff types of cars but they still had four seats. both were sleepers too.

bossplayer
08-22-07, 06:09 PM
I had an 89 SHO, and found it ridiculous also to be compared to a limited production pace car. Jim's point was made, finally, I think.

wildwhl
08-22-07, 06:22 PM
SHO = speed+handling oxymoron

WW

V-Smooth
08-22-07, 07:34 PM
:thehand:

Putting that yamaha engine in a Taurus draws a certain similarity, a parallel if you will......like trying to polish turd.

I've never owned a Ford and I never will :tisk: sorry boys and girls.

See, others can be opinionated too :thumbsup:

Silver Dollar
08-22-07, 08:42 PM
SHO = speed+handling oxymoron

WW

Taurus = front wheel drive+performance oxymoron

AirCav
08-22-07, 08:50 PM
:thehand:

Putting that yamaha engine in a Taurus draws a certain similarity, a parallel if you will......like trying to polish turd.You mean like putting a Corvette engine in an entry level four door Cadillac Catera? How are you enjoying your turd, by the way?

I do agree that there is a parallel between the SHO and the CTS-V. That's kind of the gist of this thread. In both cases, the manufacturer took a chance, targeted a narrow demographic, stepped out of the box, and wound up with a pretty sweet result.

wildwhl
08-22-07, 09:21 PM
Hmmm...my FLoWWer has a Yammy engine too :confused:

(leaving myself open for BJ to slam, while I mix a drink)

WW

wildwhl
08-22-07, 09:42 PM
SHO = Slushbox Hemi Outruns

SHO = Sheepish Hermaphrodites Only

SHO = Succumbs (to) Hondas Often

:D

JimmyH
08-22-07, 10:47 PM
I've never owned a Ford and I never will :tisk: sorry boys and girls.

there are far more folks that say "I have never owned an American car and never will."

There are lots of folks who drive Fords who would never drive anything else.

JimmyH
08-22-07, 10:50 PM
Taurus = front wheel drive+performance oxymoron

Need I remind that the current EVO (I know it's all-wheel drive) is a front-drive biased car that will smoke a CTS-V off the line?

I wont go into all the 10-second civics, and instead mention all the mid-13 second Maxima's out there.

thebigjimsho
08-23-07, 09:09 AM
:thehand:

Putting that yamaha engine in a Taurus draws a certain similarity, a parallel if you will......like trying to polish turd.

I've never owned a Ford and I never will :tisk: sorry boys and girls.

See, others can be opinionated too :thumbsup:Yeah, except your opinions are based on ignorance.

thebigjimsho
08-23-07, 09:09 AM
Hmmm...my FLoWWer has a Yammy engine too :confused:

(leaving myself open for BJ to slam, while I mix a drink)

WWYep, taken from the Celica GT-S.

Silver Dollar
08-23-07, 12:18 PM
Need I remind that the current EVO (I know it's all-wheel drive) is a front-drive biased car that will smoke a CTS-V off the line?......

0-60

Itchypu$$y Lancer EVO = 4.9 sec

Badillac CTS-V = 4.6 sec

Smoked?

JimmyH
08-23-07, 12:23 PM
0-60

Itchypu$$y Lancer EVO = 4.9 sec

Badillac CTS-V = 4.6 sec

Smoked?

That's one article. I have seen 0-60 in the low 4s for EVOs. And the EVO can do it all day long without breaking.

Dont get me wrong, I am with you, I have a CTS-V. And I would not even consider an EVO. I am just saying we are the wrong bunch of guys to be saying our car rules all.

Geno
08-23-07, 12:40 PM
Crappe' I never thought this post would last so long. I own two SHO's, a 93 and a eight cylinder 97, both are used as daily drivers. For their time they were respectable sporting cars, especially the one's from the early 90's with manuals. This is a "no shitter", the 93 has 261000 miles and the motor purrrrrssss like the day I bought it. I run the holy _____ out of this car and it has never broke down. It did take me nine months to round up variious AC parts because it was a limited production car (something for us V owners to think about). So yes, it is definitely not in the same league as the V, but it was a player in it's time. There were probably more SHO's running in various divisions of the SCCA back in the day, then there are V's running today. In it's final years it became a shadow of it's former self becoming soft and pudgy.
Hell, Ford doesn't make cars anymore,,,do they?:stirpot:

Silver Dollar
08-23-07, 01:53 PM
That's one article. I have seen 0-60 in the low 4s for EVOs. And the EVO can do it all day long without breaking.

Dont get me wrong, I am with you, I have a CTS-V. And I would not even consider an EVO. I am just saying we are the wrong bunch of guys to be saying our car rules all.

I'm not saying the CTS-V rules, I'm just saying the Ford Taurus doesn't. (and having a little fun with TBJS in the process :))

JimmyH
08-23-07, 01:57 PM
Hell, Ford doesn't make cars anymore,,,do they?:stirpot:

I keep saying (but no one listens) the Fusion is the PERFECT next SHO. AWD is already built into that platform; it is probably the best handling fwd/awd platform right now (mazda6). All they need is another hot drivetrain (a 350hp turbo 6 maybe?), a little inspiration, and they can have the hottest $35k sedan on the market. I dont know what they are waiting for. Bankruptcy maybe.

CIWS
08-23-07, 03:41 PM
:nothing2add:


:postcount:

:killer::dammit:

V-Smooth
08-23-07, 03:55 PM
Yeah, except your opinions are based on ignorance.


Says you...

JimmyH
08-23-07, 04:19 PM
well at least tbjs's opinions are based on; wait a minute, what does he base his opinions on?:dance:

thebigjimsho
08-23-07, 04:59 PM
The SHO is back! Is it an Exige for the water?


http://www.yamaha-motor.com/waverunner/products/modelspecs/580/0/specs.aspx

thebigjimsho
08-23-07, 05:00 PM
Says you...Nope, not me. Just have to read your posts, tis all...

wildwhl
08-24-07, 02:03 AM
The SHO is back! Is it an Exige for the water?


http://www.yamaha-motor.com/waverunner/products/modelspecs/580/0/specs.aspx

No...that's too roomy and practical to be an Exige :bigroll:

WW

captapp
08-24-07, 05:29 AM
Owned a 1990 Gen 1, best car I ever owned. In addition to being a screamer for its time it was one of the best stealth cars I have ever owned. White four door taurus with black paowder coated wheels, the only one I ever saw with that wheel option, any but the most informed Officers had no idea what it was. The only complaint I ever had about the car was using up tires at a predigious rate. However once I told my spouse to roll down the windows and listen when she took of from a stop light her complaint about using up tires and tire consumption slowed down. I have always been a Ford Man, as a matter of fact my spouse was sent to buy an F100 and came home with the CTS-V. best darn mistake she ever made. I love the V but it is not the stealth machine that the SVO was. But then again who needs stealth, brazen is better!!

gator82
09-04-07, 10:47 PM
Just washed them both...took me a while to get them cleaned up.

1995 SHO MTX original owner 130,000 miles
stock

2005 CTS-V 2nd owner 15,000 miles stock

urbanski
09-05-07, 07:22 AM
Just washed them both...took me a while to get them cleaned up.

1995 SHO MTX original owner 130,000 miles
stock

2005 CTS-V 2nd owner 15,000 miles stock

hi gator :) thanks for joining as a supporter. i enabled your PMs. enjoy your stay!

thebigjimsho
12-23-07, 09:33 PM
What an awesome thread!

50 4Ever
12-23-07, 10:06 PM
What an awesome thread!

The more beers you have the better this thread looks. How many do you have to have to make this thread look awesome?

:bomb:

JimmyH
12-24-07, 12:27 AM
How many do you have to have to make this thread look awesome?

no one liquor store sells enough

JimmyH
12-24-07, 12:28 AM
What an awesome thread!

so is this bump old threads night?

thebigjimsho
12-24-07, 12:43 AM
Runnin' on absinthe...

JimmyH
12-24-07, 12:49 AM
runnin with the devil

thebigjimsho
12-24-07, 12:51 AM
Who woke up urby? A thread was locked...

JimmyH
12-24-07, 12:57 AM
urby would never lock you

i bet this one gets locked too

thebigjimsho
06-11-10, 01:48 AM
hmm...

wildwhl
06-11-10, 02:00 AM
Damn if I don't wish I still drove a V...or at least was driving one again. CNC mill in progress, and lathe...and well, I miss you guys :grouphug:

WW

thebigjimsho
06-11-10, 01:37 PM
Damn if I don't wish I still drove a V...or at least was driving one again. CNC mill in progress, and lathe...and well, I miss you guys :grouphug:

WW
Are you subscribed to this thread, Bill? Is this thread my own bat signal for WW?

wildwhl
06-11-10, 02:23 PM
Looks that way ;)

WW

thebigjimsho
06-11-10, 03:45 PM
Well, it's good to see you...

JimmyH
06-12-10, 04:58 PM
Wow wildwhl returns, ithought I just some old posts for a second there

JimmyH
06-12-10, 04:59 PM
Still got the lexass?

50 4Ever
06-12-10, 11:27 PM
Damn if I don't wish I still drove a V...or at least was driving one again. CNC mill in progress, and lathe...and well, I miss you guys :grouphug:

WW


A blast from the past... we miss you on here, don't be such a stranger....

:cheers: