: Comparison between CTS-V and STS-V



Kadonny
12-21-06, 10:30 AM
You guys asked for this, so I am happy to provide it to you. Remember, this is my opinion only and if you don't like it, I'm sorry.

I am going to give a full rundown on the interior, exterior and performance.


Ok, I'll start with the exterior.

Exterior:

Overall appearance. I still have to admit in my eyes the CTS-V is a better overall looker than the STS-V. I like the sharp lines and edgy design of the CTS. The STS is a much softer look overall. Big props though to the STS-V for the hood bulge and rear spoiler. Very cool looking.

Wheels. CTS-V wheels look a slight bit better with the 7 spokes compared to the 10 spoke STS-V.

Tires. Slight edge here to the STS-V with the wider rear meats. I am not sure if it is the Pirelli tires, the wider rears or the automatic compared to the manual trans, but the rear on the STS-V seems to stay planted better. More on this under the performance catagory.



Interior:

In terms of interior quality and feel, we all know there is a big edge to the STS-V. Leather everywhere where the CTS-V had plastic. Doors, center console, steering wheel and other dash areas. The STS-V has the wood accents to finish it off as it just screams luxury. The steering wheel feels better to me because it is a bit thicker (heated steering wheel) and the steering wheel controls are vastly superior. They are set up the way it should be with the radio controls. Volume, preset scroll and am/fm/xm/wheather/cd toggle. It really has the perfect setup.

Radio/nav. I like the display of the CTS-V better with how it displays the nav and the radio. Far superior to the STS-V in everything but the touch screen. The touch screen is cooler, but the appearance suffers because of it.

Seats. Big advantage here to the STS-V. The rear seatbacks are much more comfortable and they seem to wrap around my body much better up top. I feel very secure in the seat both in the seat bottom and seat back. The upper side bolsters are more aggresive and the simulated suede is only in a small portion of the seatback and the seat, the seat itself is mostly leather. The seat bottom is a bit larger/longer too and supports my longer legs better. I also have much more leg room in the STS-V.

Overall interior room and interior feel. Advantage to the STS-V here, but it is a larger car so this is no surprise.


Ok, I think I covered the interior and exterior enough. How about the performance? That's what you are all interested in.......right?



Performance:

Ride. The STS-V is a softer ride, no doubt. It also is a much quieter ride. The LS6/LS2 makes so much noise (in a good way) and I had the Corsa system on the CTS-V, so my ride right now is significantly quieter. Cruising in the STS-V is a dream.

Acceleration from a standstill. Boy, this is neck and neck. The raw blood pumpng ass kicking get the hell out of my way acceleration of the CTS-V can not be matched. Period. I will tell you though that the STS-V seems to get going just as fast as the CTS-V, but in a more subtle way. If you stomp on it you seem to be moving not nearly as fast, but if you look at the speedo the car gets to 60 seconds in a snap! I can see how these cars almost mirror each other in 0-60 times. The auto is of course a lot easier to launch, but that takes away much of the fun. I have to give props to Caddy for this transmission, it is so silky smooth and quick shifting that you can sometimes hardly feel it. I have not really played much with the manual mode because of break in. The owners manual says not to use the engine to slow the car down (major downshift) do I have been just staying out of that mode. I'll asses that later.

Speed 60-100 and pulling. I still think the CTS-V has the edge here. It seems to pull harder at the upper speeds. I reserve the right to change my opinion though because I have not really run the STS-V hard at these speeds yet. At cruising speeds the STS-V is so smooth. I was cruising yesteday on the highway and looked down to see my needle at 85. Literally, it felt like 55. With the less noise and more comfortable ride it is easier to go faster in the STS-V and not know it. The car tracked straight and solid at this speed with not a shake or shimmy.

Suspension/handling. Advantage here to the CTS-V. The STS-V is a heavier car, and it feels it through the turns. More body roll for sure and it seems to take a nanosecond longer to react to the steering. Still, the STS-V seems to carve through the corners very well and is far from a slouch for this size car. My guess is it will get better as I get more comfortable with car. My CTS-V had the FG2 shocks and this probably helped give more of an advantage to the CTS-V at this point. There is no G meter in the STS-V so I can't measure them side to side with G forces. Still, there is no doubt the nose of the CTS-V attacked the corners better and gives you that confidence that you know where the car is going if you use the throttle to your advantage. The CTS-V rear can get away from you if you are really pushing it, but I attribute that to the manual trans and the engine torque coupled together. Maybe I was not that good at harnessing the CTS-V power because of the manual trans. The STS-V rear seems to stay planted better, but again I am not sure if it is becuase of the tires or the lack of the manual trans.

Braking. Jury is out on this one as I have not applied the brakes hard yet because of break in. I can asses this later but my guess is the cars will be similar in braking ability.



Final opinion:

So, there you have it. 2 totally different cars. The CTS-V is a hot rod true and true and everyone knows it. The STS-V is a hot rod disguised in a civilized cars body. It will smoke and spin tires with the best of them if you want, but it does not act like the animal that the CTS-V is.

Still, I absolutely LOVE the STS-V. I miss shifting sometimes, but I will tell you it is nice just to get in and drive not having to think about anything. I have driven stick all my life and learned how to drive on a stick. It is second nature to me, but I have to admit there are nights after work and heavy traffic situations that I just do not feel like shifting. No worries though, I am lucky enough to still own 2 performance minded manual trans cars that will fill my void whenever I feel the need to shift.

The remote start is a godsend especially as the wheather gets cold here and the key fob/button start is so sweet. I have it set up so that when I exit the car and all the doors shut, the car automatically locks. I never have to fumble with a key or key fob at anytime during the day. It rocks.

Thank you all for reading, I hope I was objective enough. Sorry for the long post but it really was warranted to explain the differences properly.

OzarksHillbilly
12-21-06, 10:36 AM
Thanks for the thoughtful and thorough comparison.

The Tony Show
12-21-06, 10:39 AM
You perfectly summed up my exact feelings on the two cars. Good post, and glad to hear you're enjoying it!

We just got a used STS-V with 400 miles on it, and I was seriously kicking all these facts around in my head while considering trading. Thank god someone bought it, so I don't have the temptation anymore.

svassh
12-21-06, 10:40 AM
Nice writeup, about exactly what I would have expected comparing the two.

CIWS
12-21-06, 12:01 PM
Nice write up. It will be interesting to see if anything changes after you given the car it's break-in :)

P-Funk
12-21-06, 12:21 PM
Very well said. That's about what I would expect between the two.

50 4Ever
12-21-06, 12:58 PM
Great write-up. What is the weight difference between the two cars? I heard the STS-V has almost 470 HP, sounds like a sophisticates beast.

Thanks for the comparison.

Enjoy :highfive:

ctsvflorida
12-21-06, 01:03 PM
I think I like the STS-V better! I hope you did not buy it brand new!? :eek: Either way lots of luck with it!

Kadonny
12-21-06, 01:10 PM
Great write-up. What is the weight difference between the two cars? I heard the STS-V has almost 470 HP, sounds like a sophisticates beast.

Thanks for the comparison.

Enjoy :highfive:


They are listed as follows:

STS-V - 4233 lbs
CTS-V - 3850 lbs

383 lb difference


Glad you all enjoyed the write up so far!

rand49er
12-21-06, 01:18 PM
STS-V = pure sex

CTS-V = hot jungle sex

:D

50 4Ever
12-21-06, 01:20 PM
They are listed as follows:

STS-V - 4233 lbs
CTS-V - 3850 lbs

383 lb difference


Glad you all enjoyed the write up so far!

:thumbsup: I would have guessed the difference would m
have been more, that's not much difference at all.

Does the tranny just have a + and - gate for manual shifting or does it have paddle shifters?

Sharp looking car by the way :thumbsup:

OldRoadDawg
12-21-06, 01:34 PM
Good write up. Interesting how you prefer the seats in the STS-V. I've driven both and prefer the CTS-V, but I guess that is subjective. Wish we had the power adjustment for the steering wheel angle/telescope like the STS. The CTS-V is always a compromise and with the STS-V you can make very small adjustments to your liking.
Enjoy!

Kadonny
12-21-06, 03:11 PM
Thanks 50 4Ever.

OldRoadDawg, I thought it was a no brainer on the seats. To me they really seem to engulf me much better and give me more support on the sides especially. Wow, I forgot about the adjusting steering wheel. Big plus there. It remembers the position too with the start of the car.

The beauty of an opinion, we both have em.

zozmanCTS-V
12-21-06, 04:39 PM
You forgot a BIG factor: MSRP. According to edmunds.com, 2007 STS-V: $74,870. 2007 CTS-V: $51,325. A very big consideration. Yes, I thought about the STS-V and carefully considered it. If you like burled walnut interior, an automatic, larger car, very nice. But the CTS-V, especially the 2005 LS6, for the price was the absolute best performance value going. :cool2:

Randy

Kadonny
12-21-06, 04:51 PM
You forgot a BIG factor: MSRP. According to edmunds.com, 2007 STS-V: $74,870. 2007 CTS-V: $51,325. A very big consideration. Yes, I thought about the STS-V and carefully considered it. If you like burled walnut interior, an automatic, larger car, very nice. But the CTS-V, especially the 2005 LS6, for the price was the absolute best performance value going. :cool2:

Randy


I didn't forget MSRP. Everyone who posts here knows the difference in MSRP, that was not the point. The point was to compare the two performance wise. I threw the other stuff in there just as observations.

HiTechRV
12-21-06, 09:23 PM
To compare the driving charactistics only, compare a manual vette to an auto. Some of the same differences are there too as are there between the CTS-V and STS-V. With the auto it is hard to get into trouble if you leave the TC and Stabilitrac full on. If there is too much torque it will just seamlessly upshift (sometimes 1-4!). With the manual the systems cannot reduce the torque at the wheels as much so more is up to the driver.

cornfed
12-22-06, 04:43 PM
Great write up. I wouldn't mind moving up to the STS next.

Silver Dollar
12-22-06, 08:02 PM
Well written summary Kadonny.

It might be too early to know this yet, but have you noticed an increase in ear hair growth and a loss of bladder control since purchasing the STS-V?

6104696
12-22-06, 11:58 PM
STS-V = pure sex

CTS-V = hot jungle sex

:D

building on what Silver Dollar said, and of course in the interestes of pure fun, I would correct this math as follows:

STS-V + Viagra= pure sex

CTS-V = quit blathering on about your car or you'll get no sex...

(A great post by Kadonny and MSRP is not part of the discussion for most of this crowd at this point. It might be a valid part of a decision, but this was an objective driving comparo, not a value comparo)

dqw1
12-23-06, 06:46 PM
I finally seen my first STS-V today at the car wash. That red/black interior is awesome to see in person. Beautiful ride but I still think the CTS-V exterior looks better. This guy owns all three V's, all Fast Black Ravens. I wish he would get on the forum with us.

BadCad
12-24-06, 05:30 PM
have you noticed an increase in ear hair growth and a loss of bladder control since purchasing the STS-V?

how 'bout hairy palms? anymore of those too? :jerkit:

CIWS
12-24-06, 08:01 PM
I finally seen my first STS-V today at the car wash. That red/black interior is awesome to see in person. Beautiful ride but I still think the CTS-V exterior looks better. This guy owns all three V's, all Fast Black Ravens. I wish he would get on the forum with us.


I assume you told him about it and he wasn't interested ?

ctsvett
12-26-06, 09:07 PM
Guys,

FYI, I posted this review (thanks Kadonny!) as well as my own (finally!) here:
http://www.cadillacfaq.com/gi/index.html

I had a chance to drive the STS-V for a weekend a few months back and it was a GREAT car.. If I didnt love the CTS-V manual so much, I would go out and get the STS-V. Perhaps when I get older...

Anyway, enjoy!

Reed

Kadonny
12-27-06, 09:41 AM
I feel so special Reed, thanks!

Nice work as always.