: Subwoofer Question for the Audio Guru



Lord Cadillac
12-14-06, 04:54 PM
These are my current subwoofers:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069927_297394781,00.html

...and you like these much better, correct?:
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=4

They have more excursion than the ones I have? :p

954deville
12-14-06, 06:11 PM
Well, considering you have a shallow mount woofer, yes the JLs are going to be about 4X better as far as sound pressure, oh and sound quality. Pioneer shallow mounts are for Chevy Colorados, or other small cabins. The tsw-306dvc is more for caddys and the SPL series pioneers are also excellent. I personally have two alpine type r's and i love em.

CadillacSTS42005
12-14-06, 07:12 PM
dude
your gonna buy 2 12w6v2s!
dude your gonna make me jealous
you would be plenty happy with 2 12w3v3s but hell im all for 2 w6s man thatll sound perfect and put it this way if you buy them, you wont have to feel like you wanna get better later, cuz you already have about the best damn sub!

dp102288
12-14-06, 08:39 PM
Those JLs are like the grand canyon compared to the Pioneers!

CadillacSTS42005
12-14-06, 09:30 PM
pioneers a pot hole
jl = grand canyon

stevebuick23
12-14-06, 11:05 PM
I'll take the pioneers if you don'tw ant them.

Lord Cadillac
12-14-06, 11:19 PM
I just paid $300 for the pair of Pioneers on 10.21.06.. If you really want them, let me know.. They ARE very, very powerful down low - but the higher bass sounds just seem weak.. They're 1400 watts each..

Lord Cadillac
12-14-06, 11:30 PM
Wait these 12w6v2s are going for like $300.00 a piece on eBay.. That's going to be too much for me.. I'll probably end-up with the 12w3v3s...

the727kid
12-15-06, 12:16 AM
Those W6v2s will be too much for you after having those lol. W6v2s can be louder than W7s on occasions, I say get one 12w6v2....3cubes ported at 33 and a JL 500/1. It will be louder than what u have now....alot louder.

stevebuick23
12-15-06, 08:02 AM
Whats the minimum wattage I would have to run those at?

Lord Cadillac
12-15-06, 08:24 AM
In the paperwork it says "Nominal" power 350 watts.. As I've been reading, I think most of MY specific problem is because the box I have is WAY too big.. It looks as if these speakers perform best with VERY small enclosures..

the727kid
12-15-06, 08:37 AM
If you have a sealed box, too big can be an issue. But you can never go to big with a ported box :D...bigger the ported...the nastier the lows can get :).

As for RMS power, you can run over that dependent on subs but most of the time you can run over that. I am running damn near almost double rms on my subs daily.

Lord Cadillac
12-15-06, 12:04 PM
So maybe I should just port the box and see what happens...

the727kid
12-15-06, 12:27 PM
Go for it. Just don't take apart that box and do it lol, it will end up bad, just start fresh.

CadillacSTS42005
12-15-06, 03:39 PM
rofl
again with the cheater box...
all that will do is help his lows
hes having issues with the highs
w.e though work with what you got again i hate ported boxes

the727kid
12-16-06, 04:11 PM
Highs, would you like to hear a 50hz tone in my car? LOL...I bet you couldn't sit in it too long.

Lord Cadillac
12-16-06, 05:25 PM
I think my best bet is to actually go with a smaller box.. My box has about a foot or a little more behind the actual speaker. It looks as if the box I'm SUPPOSED to use with these particular speakers has just a few INCHES behind each speaker...

Could a much smaller box REALLY make a big difference if the speakers were designed for it?

dp102288
12-16-06, 07:44 PM
^^ I don't know too much about audio, but air movement could be drasticly changed with the volume of the box. Subs for a small box were probably designed to use a small volume of air, so the pressures & movment of the "guts of the sub" are probably different than a sub made for a huge box.

I think it would make a difference, but not sure how much.

Lord Cadillac
12-21-06, 01:41 PM
Well, that did it.. That solved my problem.. The smaller box is much better.. I've gained a lot more of that "high" bass and I lost a little bit of the low bass - but it's a very good exchange..

Now if I were to port the box - what could I expect? I think I'm pretty much satisfied at this point... I MAY go further with components in the near future but I'm not sure.. I pretty much have the sound I want now...

CadillacSTS42005
12-21-06, 04:29 PM
glad it worked out for you
when it comes to audio BOX IS EVERYTHING, however a good quality sub also helps rock the house lol

porting will help bring up the loudness of your subs because it allows a direct air flow in and out of the box
some people also go for bandpass boxes which i like more than just porting....
(bandpass seals the subs behind a plexiglases cover and all the air from the subs is forced out of the ports

dp102288
12-21-06, 08:18 PM
Glad it worked Sal!! Just don't trash your hearing! :D

the727kid
12-22-06, 08:30 PM
I don't like bandpass preferably becuase when built they are really only efficeint in about a 10hz range (typically 50-60hz). Porting will bring out much more SPL and yours low much better. Your SQ will decrease a little, round your ports you should be good though.