: 740iL compared to 94 Fleetwood



N0DIH
12-12-06, 09:41 AM
I parked next to a BMW 740iL (the long one...) the other day.

Amazing how short they are....

http://homepage.mac.com/n0dih/.Public/Cadillac%20Pictures/06-12-06_1122.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/n0dih/.Public/Cadillac%20Pictures/06-12-06_1123.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/n0dih/.Public/Cadillac%20Pictures/06-12-06_1124.jpg

Cadillacboy
12-12-06, 10:15 AM
I guess , it is rather how long FWBs are lol

90Brougham350
12-12-06, 11:35 AM
225 inches, that's enormous! 4 inches longer than our 80-92's.

caddycruiser
12-12-06, 01:24 PM
Interesting comparo. Driving one of these boats daily, it really doesn't seem that large after a while, but park it next to other cars and you get a bit of a shock--even with some cars that are on the larger end of the market currently. I especially realized this when a 4 year old relative pointed out "Wow, why is Derek's car so big?" once...plus the fact that I'm one of the only cars that hangs out of my school parking spot, regardless of how far I can get it in.

Looks like Wisconsin weather has not been nice to your rear bumper, either:suspect:

Rick186
12-12-06, 01:32 PM
Times really change.
Anybody remember the Buick Electra 225?
That and so many other vehicles were not the pipsqueaks seen today.

BCs71
12-12-06, 04:05 PM
I recently bought a 92 B-body wagon, which is pretty enormous looking. It fits a 4x8 sheet of plywood flat inside when the seats are folded down, which is impressive. Also has a third row seat (8 passenger vehicle) that faces backwards with ample foot/legroom.

When I had this in the garage in the spot the Fleetwood normally rests in, I realized quickly that the Fleetwood is still noticeably longer than the wagon! Much more room to walk around both ends of the wagon in the garage than with the Fleetwood!

caddycruiser
12-12-06, 04:08 PM
I recently bought a 92 B-body wagon, which is pretty enormous looking. It fits a 4x8 sheet of plywood flat inside when the seats are folded down, which is impressive. Also has a third row seat (8 passenger vehicle) that faces backwards with ample foot/legroom.

When I had this in the garage in the spot the Fleetwood normally rests in, I realized quickly that the Fleetwood is still noticeably longer than the wagon! Much more room to walk around both ends of the wagon in the garage than with the Fleetwood!

Precisely...yet, like I said, when you live with one for a while, it doesn't at all seem that large. Then you compare it with another car...:suspect:

I think the wagons were a bit longer than the sedan models, but like you just realized, still not as long as the stretched D-body.

bicentennialcadillac
12-12-06, 06:38 PM
They call that an "L?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Benzilla
12-12-06, 07:05 PM
What the f**k? your Fleetwood is dirty and rusty!

ban him!

Adam
12-12-06, 07:05 PM
Fleetwoods are tiny compared to the RR Phantom. ever seen them things? they are friggin huge!

N0DIH
12-12-06, 07:29 PM
Tell me about it, I am still trying to line up a better rear bumper and the weather up here has been a mess lately. See what the north does for ya?


What the f**k? your Fleetwood is dirty and rusty!

ban him!

This is what you get when you drive a Cadillac 700+ miles a week. At least I ain't driving no Toyota or Honda! Might be dirty, but it is still driving with CLASS!


They call that an "L?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Exactly what I thought!!

Rick186
12-12-06, 07:52 PM
As an aside:
When I first saw the model designation on the rear of the big BMWs, I thought they were DIESELS!
I was sure that 740iL meant
seventy-four OIL.:bouncy:
As in oil burner.
But even though I once lived in Milwaukee, my German ain't so good.:alchi:

Benzilla
12-12-06, 08:20 PM
Tell me about it, I am still trying to line up a better rear bumper and the weather up here has been a mess lately. See what the north does for ya?



This is what you get when you drive a Cadillac 700+ miles a week. At least I ain't driving no Toyota or Honda! Might be dirty, but it is still driving with CLASS!



Exactly what I thought!!

lol, it's okay, I remember what the north does to cars, I have a '84 Cutlass with it's scars.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-12-06, 08:44 PM
And some people think that 7 Series are big! :rolleyes:

Nice pics!

N0DIH
12-12-06, 10:20 PM
I often take snapshots with my cell phone when I park next to something like that. The funny ones are small cars that don't even make it to the back of my rear doors! Those are hillarious! VW Bugs, many Honda's and Toyotas and Subarus top the list...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-12-06, 10:51 PM
I've got a lot of pics on my cameraphone of my car next to other Caddys.

caddycruiser
12-13-06, 07:51 AM
Fleetwoods are tiny compared to the RR Phantom. ever seen them things? they are friggin huge!

Yep, which Elias showed in an October thread:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Image270.jpg

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/rwd-19xx-1985-deville-fleetwood-1985/86794-fleetwood-small-car.html?highlight=rolls

Benzilla
12-13-06, 10:41 AM
Keep in mind that his Fleetwood is lowered. And he's sloghtly closer to the RR. But still, yeah it's bigger.

Cadillacboy
12-13-06, 12:30 PM
Keep in mind that when a RR (above car) driver sits, he gets eye to eye a Chevrolet Tahoe driver.
New RR looks crap and I see no point why people own such an ugly car just to have a RR is that only reason ? .Not just I am saying this because I am a Cadillac enthusiasts all FWBs outclass RR .

N0DIH
12-13-06, 09:54 PM
To me that RR just looks chubby... The Fleetwood is just streamlined...

Kinda like a Ford Excursion to my 99 Suburban. My Suburban is narrower, shorter and not quite as tall. My Suburban K2500 tows more (well, ok, matches it, big gas to big gas, not diesel), carrys more (1600# to 3000#) and has more room inside (5 cubic feet more behind the rear seat). The Excursion is just plain FAT. And mine will smoke a V10 with my little 454.... Old school vs new school

Timothy60
12-13-06, 10:06 PM
Wow, Nodih! Look at the huge chunks of undissolved salt in that parking lot! It looks even worse (if that can be possible) than upstate New York where I live. By driving through that corrosive mess every day in the winter, it's no wonder your back bumper is rusty. I thought road salt is supposed to be applied "judiciously" to road surfaces in order to minimize vehicular, infrastructure, and environmental damage? I suppose the Wisconsin D.O.T disregards that wisdom the same way the New York D.O.T does. Unfortunate. It's a hidden tax, isn't it?

N0DIH
12-13-06, 10:30 PM
We got a nice dose of snow and ice, 16 inches in some areas. We got around 14 inches. And right after the snow, we plunged into the 10F and colder temps...

Rick186
12-16-06, 11:20 PM
It gets WORSE!:annoyed:
Connecticut JUST ANNOUNCED that this winter they will no longer use a mix of salt and sand on the roadways.:cookoo:
THEY WILL USE ALL SALT WITH A BIT OF CALCIUM CHLORIDE MIXED IN.
Happy rustouts.:bomb:
When the family lived in Euclid, Ohio in the 1950s, I remember the state put something BLACK on the roadways that was very effective at removing snow and ice but it sure did a number on vehicles. It even screwed up my bicycle when I rode it to Shore Jr. H.S. each day even though I tried to avoid puddles.

N0DIH
12-16-06, 11:23 PM
Wonderful. Wash car after every snow and several times thereafter to get the rest....

mharker
12-16-06, 11:43 PM
My 68 sdv is about 1 foot longer than my 96 Roadmaster. And the Roadmaster has some pretty big "shelves" on the front and rear bumpers. Not so on the 68! 19 feet of sheet metal!

96Fleetwood
12-17-06, 05:21 PM
You had to be there in person, that RR phantom is MUCH bigger than the Fleetwood in every way shape and form.

My parents just sold their Bentley and got a BMW 760li sport. I need to take a picture of the BMW and the Fleetwood side by side. The BMW is longer than the Fleetwood.. there is at least 2 inches more rear leg room in the BMW :eek:

N0DIH
12-17-06, 05:57 PM
Lets see some picts! I didn't think the 760 was any diff than the 740 other than engine. I haven't been in touch with the current cars since I was over in automotive. We had prototypes all the time. It was just plain cool when we got a XLR a year before it came out, or the Austin Martin DB9, or when I actually got to take a spin in the 1st VW Phaeton to hit the US soil, not to mention, 1 of 3 in the world at the time. If you are Chicagoland, there is a place to haunt to see proto cars.... We even had a proto Maybach for around 4 months. I rarely got to drive them, but it was a blast when I could. Even our 2000 S500 that was built back in Oct 1998 was a thrill too. For 300 hp, that put every one of them to the ground.

96Fleetwood
12-17-06, 06:34 PM
The 760li is a e65, the new body 7 series. The 740/750 were the older 1995-2001 7 series.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-17-06, 09:40 PM
My parents just sold their Bentley and got a BMW 760li sport. I need to take a picture of the BMW and the Fleetwood side by side. The BMW is longer than the Fleetwood.. there is at least 2 inches more rear leg room in the BMW :eek:

Yeah no kidding, the 760li has soooo much rear legroom, it's gotta be like 5" more than my deVille, and that's 43 inches already! But the 760li is no way longer than the FWB. IIRC, the LWB 7 series is like I wanna say 208" long, your FWB is 225".

96Fleetwood
12-24-06, 10:59 AM
You are very right Chad. It was an optical illusion. The Fleetwood is MUCH longer than the 760li, but the 760li has so much more rear leg room.

A few pics of the 760li:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture006-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture007-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture003-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture004-1.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-24-06, 11:06 AM
Let's see what they list on BMW.com for the rear legroom on a 760iL....


Well it doesn't say on the official american BMW site, but over on edmunds.com, the 760Li is listed as having 43.4" rear legroom, which seems a little small. My deVille is 43.x" and the LWB 7 Series was so much roomier!

N0DIH
12-24-06, 03:32 PM
How do they measure? Front seat all the way up or all the way back?

What is the diff in the 735 (if they still make it), 740, 750 (if they still make it) and 760?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-24-06, 03:41 PM
I'm not positive, but I think it's with the front seat all the way back. I believe the measurements have been standardized across the world though, but I'm not positive.

For the SWB 7 Series, it lists the rear seat legroom as 37.2"

Wiseguy2
12-24-06, 05:39 PM
I own a 740iL.. there's more legroom in the rear of the BMW mbut the Caddy has more height and width IIRC.

BMW is Unibody vs Body on Frame.

96Fleetwood
12-24-06, 05:45 PM
How do they measure? Front seat all the way up or all the way back?

What is the diff in the 735 (if they still make it), 740, 750 (if they still make it) and 760?


Current models are the 750i, 750li, 760i, and 760li.

2002-2005 had the 745i, 745li, 760i, and 760li.

The 745/750 are both 8 cylinders.

The 760 models have a 438hp 12 cylinder engine, suede headliner, full leather door panels and dash, dual climate control for rear passengers, rear refrigerator, power/heated/cooled rear seats, and a few more extra options to bring the MSRP well over $118K.

90Brougham350
12-25-06, 10:48 AM
Truly magnificent cars, and they don't handle too poorly either, but their fuel mileage is just awful, isn't it like 12/18? Regardless, this is the car the Fleetwood would have to de-throne when it returns.

Wiseguy2
12-25-06, 11:57 AM
Truly magnificent cars, and they don't handle too poorly either, but their fuel mileage is just awful, isn't it like 12/18? Regardless, this is the car the Fleetwood would have to de-throne when it returns.

Well, my 740iL handles better than my 06 STS. It also has fresh Bilsteins, H&R springs and Pilot Sports, so that helps as well. The steering is a LOT more responsive (Caddy needs to work on steering feel..).

I have yet to drive a big luxury car that handles like a 7 series BMW short of an Audi S8 or a Maserati Quattroporte.

My 740iL gets about 17-18mpg in the city and about 23-24mpg on the highway, on regular unleaded.

96Fleetwood
12-25-06, 12:18 PM
The 760Li is getting 15 mpg in the city and a whopping 21mpg on the highway! Not bad for a 12 cylinder.

DPGC23
12-26-06, 11:19 PM
Ill Still Stick My Fleetwood Brougham Anyday

No Joke About It Not Fitting In The Garage, Haha, When I Park This Beast, You Cant Walk Around The Car, U Need To Open The Garage To Get About.

I Love It

Dpgc23

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-26-06, 11:34 PM
^ I remember my grandpa's Roadmaster being like that in his garage. You had like 4" between the rear bumper and the garage door.

JoCan
12-27-06, 12:18 AM
Nice Car !! :thumbsup:



You are very right Chad. It was an optical illusion. The Fleetwood is MUCH longer than the 760li, but the 760li has so much more rear leg room.

A few pics of the 760li:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture006-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture007-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture003-1.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture004-1.jpg

devilleconcours100
12-27-06, 12:29 PM
Well, I think that is a 750iL, being that, it is a V-12 version. Park the fleetwood beside of a Rolls-Royce Phantom VI (The old one before BMW's new mockery) and you will quickly see that, the Rolls is quite a bit larger than the Caddy. That having been said, you can't really expect the Caddy to outsize a Phantom VI, because, well a Phantom VI was a handbuilt motorcar, with chassis by Rolls-Royce and body by Mulliner-Park Ward. In other words, a 250,000.00 car. But still, a car that maintained the same basic shape for 35 years. (There's something that all of the D-Body folks wish GM learned from :rolleyes: ). Anyway, as long as you don't see a Roller, you've got the longest thing in town :).
Happy New Year, Dave.

The_Hearsecutor
01-09-07, 10:44 PM
IDrive = IVomit

Rick186
01-10-07, 08:41 PM
1 - Do NOT like exterior:tisk:
2 - Absolutely LOVE the interior. It's gorgeous!:drool:
3 - Couldn't afford it anyway.:(

96Fleetwood
01-10-07, 08:48 PM
IDrive = IVomit

I have fallen in love with I-drive from a practical stand point. I mean, you have everything you need just at a twist or push of a button.. or voice command. Once you get the hang of it, there is no need to take your eyes off the road for anything.

Why do you think every major luxury manufacturer has copied it (Acura, Lexus, Mercedes, etc etc). ;)