: Lcd Vs Plasma



railven
11-23-06, 03:18 PM
I need some help on a decision. I just got offered a 42" HD-Plasma for a price that would be stupid to turn down. So I accepted it and depending on the suggestions I will either keep it or sell it, for a bit more.

Anyways I know the huge difference between LCD and PLASMA and frankly I can read enough articles and still not give a crap what I want is real life experience. [I don't want to open the box and risk my resale possibilities if it isn't worth it, get me?]

I own a 32" LCD and I just mounted it in the living room. I'm happy with it but if the 42" looks better, of course in terms of size it will, I'd swap it and mount my 32 in my bedroom.

I've been told by friends who bought the first plasma's that the image quality wasn't very good. I'd be using this thing for serious gaming. I hate that they aren't immune to burn in.

So to those who own one or the other, or even both, I'd appreciate your opinion. Thanks.

urbanski
11-23-06, 03:29 PM
arent immune to burn-in? I think plasmas are horrible with burn-in!! Using it for gaming may lead to instances where the same background image, or maybe the score or something stays put a time and bam! I have 4 LCDs :D No worries.

railven
11-23-06, 03:33 PM
Are they that bad with ghosting? I should look and see if I can find a response time for this model.

I haven't really used a plasma, but the ones I've seen at stores show little to no ghosting but then again its just a digital feed.

Well thats a major draw back.

urbanski
11-23-06, 03:48 PM
no clue about ghosting with plasmas

most of my LCDs are 5ms. Check newegg http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/Category.asp?Category=264&name=Televisions
for some black friday deals. 37" 8ms LCD for 699. lol. I paid that for a 26" 1 year ago.

and if CIWS doesnt reply here soon, PM him. He = electronics geek :)

railven
11-23-06, 04:01 PM
Hey that's it!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824187064

But the guy who is selling it to me is asking for $600. I don't care how he got it but its a good deal.

Either way my LCD is 8MS I believe and it has no ghosting that I've seen. It cost me $1800 last Christmas, wow I've had it for 1 year already! I should have listened to my friends, I paid for the name basically, but everyone who's seen it likes the black gloss paint and the design of it. Its a 32" Sharp Aquos.

Price drops across the board with 1080p models becoming the new kings. To keep competing old generations, mostly 720p models, are costing half the price they did a year ago some almost 1/3. Mine dropped to about $1400 cheapest I've seen it.

Okay $1350 now at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-LC-32D4U-AQUOS-Panel-HD-Ready/dp/B000AQE780/sr=8-8/qid=1164318426/ref=sr_1_8/104-8401653-7188743?ie=UTF8&s=electronics

urbanski
11-23-06, 04:04 PM
well 35 reviews and 5 stars at newegg means you cant go wrong!!! jsut beware of burn in and congrats on a great deal!

Boombotz
11-23-06, 07:04 PM
I have a 61" DLP and love it. I pick that over the plasma and LCD and I am very happy with my decision. The DLP is awesome.

CIWS
11-23-06, 07:19 PM
I would personally pick an LCD over Plasma, although burn in isn't a real concern for me personally because I don't console game or leave the TV on channels with running tickers. The newest LCDs are even better with response time and contrast ratio. The less the response time and the greater the contrast ratio the better. However over approx 42" and the Plasma's become a little cheaper in comparison. If you want a screen 50" or more and DLP is the way to go. I only run a 32" LCD in my living room because my viewing distance is maybe 8 feet while sitting on the couch. Plus I use a computer with a tuner card hooked up to the display, so my TV had to come with a video in for the PC.

If you got a real good deal on it, then by all means try it out. But like urbi pointed out you can get some real good deals on LCDs nowdays.

railven
11-23-06, 07:24 PM
I'm not in the market for a new television at the moment. I'm saving my pennies to get a 1080P sometime next year [hopefully they'd be cheaper by then.]

I just might pick up a 21/26 for the bedroom. I was curious about the plasma because of the price someone offered it to me.

After asking a few friends and the information read here it seems that plasma's aren't very good with games. I can't even find a response time for the plasma I linked and the reviews for it mention little to no gaming [mostly those watching TV/movies.]

So I'm going to sell it. I hope to pocket a few dollars that can go into the 1080p fund I've started.

I greatly appreciate the feedback.

CIWS
11-23-06, 07:30 PM
I can't even find a response time for the plasma I linked and the reviews for it mention little to no gaming [mostly those watching TV/movies.]


You won't find a response time on anything but an LCD because that's a measurement the amount of time it takes for a liquid crystal cell to go from active (black) to inactive (white) and back to active (black) again. So only an LCD would have it.

Saving to buy a 1080i display is a good thing :)

railven
11-23-06, 07:32 PM
I know about the response times for the LCD's but I guess I was being stupid thinking that the plasma worked in a similar manner.

So what exactly creates the image on a plasma screen?

I already own a 1080i 32" LCD but I'd love for a 42"+ 1080p LCD sometime next year haha.

urbanski
11-23-06, 07:41 PM
cable companies compress their signals, even HD signals, making 1080p not worth the money now. Just not enough data to justify it. My 1080i is fine

97DevilleBeige
11-23-06, 07:41 PM
I've been selling LCD's/Plasma's for almost 5 years now. Technically, I'm not 100% sure, but it has to do with it being a reflective/non reflective image. Good decision not to use the plasma for gaming. I've seen a lot of plasmas with burn in from games and news tickers. You better sell that tv quickly because prices are falling faster than you think, and it'll be pretty hard to get someone to buy it from a private party.

SpeedyArizona
11-23-06, 08:02 PM
I own two plasma's (one 42" and one 50", both Sony:D) and have never had a problem with ghosting. Unless you game hours upon hours, you shouldn't have a problem and you can set the tv to a blue screen to get any imprinted images lifted.

The LCD's are great but the larger ones are fairly expensive compared to the same size plasmas. The plus is that LCD's are twice as light as a comparitive size plasma which makes them easier to hang on the wall. I don't see how you could go wrong with a $600 plasma, for the price you could afford to take a chance.

codewize
11-23-06, 08:19 PM
LCD =
Long lasting time proven technology
Not susceptible to burn in at all
Crisp clean fluid motion
Less costly to buy and repair


Plasma =
New technology unknown lifespan
Very susceptible to burn in
Skippy during fast motion may even cause nausea
Very very costly to repair

When the price is right it just makes sense but if I were shopping new I would go with LCD all the way. I haven't see a plasma TV that impressed me yet.

railven
11-23-06, 08:25 PM
Well I guess its been decided. I even found a "buyer" for it.

I was talking to my girlfriend about it and her father over heard her so I'm giving it to him for little less then I'm paying. The guy has done tons for me and if i could afford it I'd give it to him as a free Christmas Present.

He's getting it for $400 and I told him that counts as his a Christmas present.

Oh well so much for my 1080p fund but at least I knocked him out of the list. I told him he can't have it till Christmas either haha he cursed me out something about the big game.

Gonna have to wait old man!

Boombotz
11-23-06, 08:26 PM
I have a 1080P. The picture is unbelievable.

railven
11-23-06, 08:29 PM
What you using for content? You got a HD/Blu DVD player?

INFO MAN!

CIWS
11-23-06, 08:37 PM
I have a 1080P. The picture is unbelievable.


and it's a Samsung :thumbsup:

Boombotz
11-23-06, 10:34 PM
What you using for content? You got a HD/Blu DVD player?

INFO MAN!
Not yet. Maybe for Christmas. Right now I have a HD tuner from my Cable Company that has like 20 HD channels. Football is amazing. I can see the blades of grass clear as day on the field.

ChicagoCTS32
11-23-06, 10:34 PM
Drool for the samsung 1080p...

I'm getting one of those black friday door buster crazy deals on an LCD tomorrow. I know it's not the best unit, but the price is right and it'll be fine for a bedroom tv. Especially because HD signals are compressed from cable companies. Jerks...

I don't like plasma for one main reason. DEAD CELLS. Go to a circuit city, best buy, etc and ask the nerdiest looking tv salesman to show you a dead cell on their plasma screens. I guarantee that they can show you one. Once a cell is dead on a plasma, it doesn't come back alive. That would drive me friggin NUTS!

Glad you found a buyer already. Hold out for the 1080p, but I wouldn't buy a 1080p set under 50 inches.

Good call on newegg urbs, I love that site. Bought my HIS video card from them a month ago. Super easy to deal with.

Boombotz
11-23-06, 10:34 PM
and it's a Samsung :thumbsup:
Yup and it is the best thing I bought in a while.:thumbsup:

Florian
11-23-06, 11:59 PM
currently own a 50" Plasma...as BBotz said, with HD tuner...you cannot go wrong.

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gary88
11-24-06, 01:52 AM
I have a 23" Samsung LCD I keep in my room, mostly for gaming and watching movies. I haven't had any problems with burn in at all :thumbsup: One of my friends has a 50" plasma, and after playing Gears of War for a couple days he already started to get burn in on the top right corner. Even my old cell phone got burn in from Tetris.

CIWS
11-24-06, 07:25 AM
Yup and it is the best thing I bought in a while.:thumbsup:


I almost bought another LCD TV about a month ago and was getting one of the new Samsungs with the 3000 to 1 contrast ratio. They looked really good. But my main PC monitor was a 21" CRT (IIyama) that I've had about 8-9 years so I went ahead and replaced it first, although it still worked fine. I bought a 22" widescreen LCD by Samsung :D

A couple of weeks ago my brother called me from the store asking about a new TV and he wanted 60+ inches so I steered him to the Samsung 1080i DLP. :thumbsup:

He only calls me when a relative dies or has an electronics or computer question. :yup:

dp102288
11-24-06, 09:00 AM
We have a rear projection 65" tv. I love it to death, but the cable company sucks with picture. We had satellite but it would black out in the rain. That picture was great.

It does a great 1080i with my PS2 or Xbox and compoenent cables. A little old school, but its better than what we need! :)

ChicagoCTS32
11-24-06, 10:03 AM
Ok, so I didn't get the tv... DAMNIT! My gf's mom was in line at best buy last night at 10pm and was like number 200 in line. The tv's were gone by the time they got done handing out the tickets. How insane is that! You would think it was the day before the PS3 came out. The guy who was 1st in line got there at 4pm. Guess I'll be waiting a little bit more to get a new tv. Oh well...

Frost
11-24-06, 10:13 AM
That model the 1st poster talked about is an EDTV, NOT an HDTV and just hooking up an HD source will NOT convert an ED to an HD set -. there aren't enough pixels in the field of vision to make that happen - sorry. I have been amazed at all the inaccurate comments that this post has generated, on both sides of the flat panel equation (plasma/LCD).

Didn't get this set? Don't shed too many tears - it wasn't exactly leading edge stuff anyway. Even at that price, I wouldn't have gone out of my way to get one.

TagApl4
11-24-06, 10:27 AM
Does anyone use a HD projector and a screen? How do u like it if so. I was thinking about getting one so summer nights I can go outside and watch movies against my garage, play video games the size of my wall, ect.

Frost
11-24-06, 12:41 PM
I've seen them in action - and you can get a decent one for less than $1,500 these days. Unless you flip for the screen as well though, the picture won't "jump" out at you as it does in theatres. Even white-painted walls leave something to be desired, vs. the good screens.

xxpinballxx
11-24-06, 04:22 PM
I have a BenQ projector with a draper 106" screen.
selling a draper 86" screen. Just bought a 102" screen motorized.
wouldn't use it on a plain white wall...its cheap to make a framed screen go to jo-ann fabrics or look online for projector fabric and make one if you are not going to be moving it.http://img.zoints.com/public/albums/1/0/0/3/1/4/1/2/Picture022_tmb.jpg

dp102288
11-24-06, 08:13 PM
I wanted to get a projector, but my dad had said it was too complex to get right...

It would have been great though. :(

Leeb
11-25-06, 04:42 AM
I wanted to get a projector, but my dad had said it was too complex to get right...

It would have been great though. :(

That's not quite true...
Even the moderately-priced models have much adjustability and can even accomodate off-center mounting thru internal settings.

The only thing preventing me from going that route is lack of space, and even that won't apply if/when the price is right enuf.
:bouncy:

xxpinballxx
11-25-06, 04:26 PM
no probelm setting them up at all. THe only pain is getting the cables you need if you want a clean set up or want the stereo by the screen. But really no different than a regular TV hook up and the projector itself is very versatile with size adjustments focus adjustment and keystone settings to adjust for the angle. Mine can be 20 degrees to the side and still look normal. I say to anyone go for it but before you buy one read up on price of replacement bulbs.....
Mine just dropped in price from 425.00 to 250.00 so I bought 3 of them. another thing is if it says it will last 3000 hours expect 2000 at best. The more you turn it on and off the more chances you decrease the life of the bulb.

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
11-25-06, 04:50 PM
I have a Samsung LCD, 32" model.
The sharpness of the image is great, as is the colour.

Don't get caught up by copntrast ratios and response times. The manufacturers all use different ways of measuring those 2 things so the results are meaningless as they're not comparable. I've seen a couple of LCD sets by cheap unknown brands that claimed mighty contrast figures but looked washed out in comparison with say a Toshiba or Samsung.

CRT, LCD, DLP and plasma all have their own strenghts and weaknesses. Personally I find LCD the best for the type of image I like, I just make sure to buy the best quality one I can. Don't get caught up in the screen size, if I had a dollar for every person I've seen with oversized tvs for their rooms which just result in poor image quality as you can see the compression that all broadcasts and dvds contain.

As for 1080p, yes it's a better image but until there's enough content to watch it's a bit pointless. It tends to only feature in the highest end sets at the moment while sets capable of 720p and 1080i are available for cheap and are thus experiencing mass adoption. If history has taught us anything, in format wars, the most widely adopted standard always wins, which isn't always the best one from a technical viewpoint.

railven
11-26-06, 01:54 AM
Ok, so I didn't get the tv... DAMNIT! My gf's mom was in line at best buy last night at 10pm and was like number 200 in line. The tv's were gone by the time they got done handing out the tickets. How insane is that! You would think it was the day before the PS3 came out. The guy who was 1st in line got there at 4pm. Guess I'll be waiting a little bit more to get a new tv. Oh well...

What burns me a lot Chicago is most of the time those people first in line buy it then turn around and sell it on E-Bay/Craig's List for profits.

Oh well, that is how it works here in the US o A

dp102288
11-26-06, 11:14 AM
hardrockcamaro made a good point inhow ratings, ratios, and other data isn't consisten among companies. Within the same company, sure. But each probably does have its own way yo measure this stuff, so it might not be the ebst way to compare.

ChicagoCTS32
11-26-06, 12:39 PM
What burns me a lot Chicago is most of the time those people first in line buy it then turn around and sell it on E-Bay/Craig's List for profits.

Oh well, that is how it works here in the US o A
Yeah, I hear ya. When the PS3's came out, there was a news story near my parents house where this guy in a minivan paid 4 people to stand in line to get PS3's so he could turn around and sell them on eBay. Smart business man, but sucks for the people who want to actually play it.

I'm not too terribly torn up about it, it was a good tv for the money, but def not the best tv. It would have been a good tv for the room I have now, and a good bedroom tv in the future. I guess I just have to save my pennies to get a 50-60" DLP in 1080p next year when I move into a new place.

xxpinballxx
11-26-06, 03:34 PM
if you are lookig for a good LCD or for whatever reason you would want one a Plasma, then look at he blacks!
Darker the blacks the better the picture...period!

Frost
11-27-06, 08:12 AM
Pinball does not speak in false tongues. Oddly enough, the old, CRT-based televisons that we all grew up with are the reference point for judging the picture quality (pq) of the new technologies - whether LCD, plasma, DLP, RPTV, Lcos, etc.

the deeper the blacks, the better the pq!

xxpinballxx
11-27-06, 08:18 AM
I know some guys who are A/V specialists and build 25000 dollar home theaters and still think its unbelievable how easy it is to pick out a quality picture on a tv and how much people are willing to pay them to pick one out for them.

dp102288
11-27-06, 09:11 AM
Rear projection forever!! :D

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
11-27-06, 03:15 PM
This article might be of use:

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv-plasmavslcd.shtml



At the end of the day, imho, it depends which image you find most pleasing.

mmasseo
11-27-06, 04:27 PM
I know everyone put their 2cents in, heres mine:

I reccomend LCD. They are cheaper, offer about the same picture quality, and are less affected by burn-in.


Personaly I prefer the look of a Plasma. I've yet to see an LCD screen look as nice.
I own a 42" Plasma, and a 32 Inch LCD. To me the plasma looks better all of the time. For my next TV, however, I am going with a 46" LCD. It is nearly impossible for me to afford a next generation plasma with 1080p. The contrast ratios of the new LCDs are as high as most plasmas now.

I know the flaws with a plasma, but I love it nonetheless.
I don't worry about burn-in on my plasma... and I play videogames. I have had my TV over a year, and no burn-in occurred. By the way I have my TV setup closely to the ISF standards.

CIWS
11-27-06, 04:33 PM
At the end of the day, imho, it depends which image you find most pleasing.

This is the same with other products like Speakers. You can read stuff all day long and listen to others opinions, but when it gets right down to it, it should be a question of what the buyer prefers.

DILLIGAF
01-07-07, 08:22 PM
Anybody have some good LCD tv's spotted yet for cheap?

ChicagoCTS32
01-07-07, 09:35 PM
40" BRAVIA LCD from Sony for $1199 at the sony outlet. Factory NEW, not refurbished. Had to show extreme self control not to walk out with it. I think you can get the same deal from sonystyle.com if you call the number on the website.

Newegg has an off brand 32" for $550 + 50 shipping. I think bestbuy has a 42" LCD (only 720p) for around $1000 right now too.

BishopRuger
01-08-07, 01:38 PM
What about these new Vizio's, their 50" plasma is only $1899 (i think) and the 42" LCD is around $899.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-08-07, 01:40 PM
I'm a little late jumping in on this conversation, but as far as televisions go, I'm a Samsung man all the way! Their pictures always seem the clearest. And as far as LCD v. Plasma, I'll take plasma any day. Too bad either LCD or Plasma is way out of my price range at this point...

Frost
01-09-07, 07:34 AM
I've had the 42" Sammy plasma for 6 months now and have never regretted the purchase. i also pony'd up an extra 3 bills to get a professional ISF calibration done to the picture. If you want to see the absolute BEST pic your TV can produce - get a pro to do this service.

Cadillacboy
01-09-07, 07:55 AM
We have a Sony 42" Plasma .We are too pleased with it .I also play PS2 games and never had problem with the screen.Mostly I had to reset the screen colors due to over brigthness other than that it's ok .