Anyone running nitrogen in their tires? I have heard good things about it but wonder about a couple things. I know the tire pressure remains more constant in different temperatures, something to do with size of nitrogen molecules. But do the tires run cooler with nitrogen? Is that good or not as far as how the tires perform? The advertising I have seen talks about better tire wear and gas milage, I assume because the tire pressure doesn't fall below the recommended levels, but I wondered if the tires heat up the same. I have assumed that car manufacturers set the recommended cold pressure level knowing that the tires will heat up as driven.
Just wondering if its worth the $20 to switch.

We talked about this in the Lade section. Good info on post # 8

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-escalade-ext-esv-forum/62888-nitrogen.html?highlight=nitrogen

That is good info in the link above.

I've also read that the nitrogen molecule is larger than an Oxygen (making up about 20% of air), so the nitrogen tire will tend to leak less. Given that air is about 80% nitrogen, I'd think that this benefit is small.

I do think the manufacturer sets cold tire pressures based on some sort of industry average increase in tire pressure when the tire heats up as it is driven. However, how much it heats up is a matter of many variables. I'd suggest that before you go to nitrogen that you set your tire pressures to 30 psi, then drive your typical drive and see where your tire pressures come up to. On the street, mine typcially heat up about 2-3 psi right now (short winter driving trips). My gut tells me that is probably typical across the year as well, but I don't know that. On the track, I typcially see a pressure increase of 8-10 psi from cold to hot with DOT track tires on my Corvette Z06. FYI, most of that heat comes from internal friction as the sidewall flexes (then relaxes) as it comes under compression at the bottom of every rotation of the tire.

The tires on all my vehicles leak slightly over time, so to really make using nitrogen easy, you'd need a nitrogen bottle to keep in your garage to top up the tires when needed.

Personally I've never bothered with it, even at the track.

If you have your own air compressor, be sure to have a water trap and drier on the outlet when filling tires. You can use desiccant that you can regenerate in your oven.

Forget the BS about oxygen vs nitrogen - it's the water vapor that you want to avoid.

If you have your own air compressor, be sure to have a water trap and drier on the outlet when filling tires. You can use desiccant that you can regenerate in your oven.

Forget the BS about oxygen vs nitrogen - it's the water vapor that you want to avoid.

Which is exactly what Nitrogen filling of your tires helps you avoid.

I refilled my wifes car's tires with nitrogen almost a year ago and they are ALL still at the same pressure they were set at.

Its not BS other wise Nascar, NASA, the Airline industry, and many thousands of tire shops wouldn't be investing millions in a non-viable technology.

I don't lose enough air out of my tires to make bumping them up a pound or two every few months any kind of a real hassle. The temp variations that can occur here cause more issues than anything else. 25 deg one day and 80 deg two days later.

Free air is to paid nitrogen as tap water is to bottled water. Overpaying is good. :nono:

Randy

The benefits are real, however in the real world you can't fill a tire with pure nitrogen.
First of all unless the tech is in a sealed room with a respirator and a pure nitrogen atmosphere there is going to be some oxygen, CO2 and whatever else is floating around in the air when the mount the tire.
Next, as I have said before, typically you see nitrogen fills in a high performance application such as NASCAR or aircraft as mentioned above.
Driving from your house to the grocery store doesn't usually involve much in the way of high performance driving. Sitting in traffic doesn't really either.

I might consider it if I used my car for some sort of competition because there are advantages to be had, I just think if it costs more than zero, it's a waste of money for an average driver.

For most every car on the road there is no real reason to fill with anything other than plain old atmospheric air and check the tires periodically.
Afterall if a tire does get low where are you going to find a service station that has a nitrogen gas pump to refill them? ;)

Which is exactly what Nitrogen filling of your tires helps you avoid.

I refilled my wifes car's tires with nitrogen almost a year ago and they are ALL still at the same pressure they were set at.

Its not BS other wise Nascar, NASA, the Airline industry, and many thousands of tire shops wouldn't be investing millions in a non-viable technology.

I agree 100%

So then, if you do fill with nitrogen and then a tire gets low, what are you supposed to do? Can you top it off with air? I know that defeats the purpose of having the nitrogen, but what are you to do.

I have a car that I rarely drive. A friend suggested that I fill its tires with nitrogen so that there would be less of a chance of developing flat spots and it would be less likely to lose air. Is there any benefit to using nitrogen vs. air in a car that sits for long periods of time?

So then, if you do fill with nitrogen and then a tire gets low, what are you supposed to do? Can you top it off with air? I know that defeats the purpose of having the nitrogen, but what are you to do.

I have a car that I rarely drive. A friend suggested that I fill its tires with nitrogen so that there would be less of a chance of developing flat spots and it would be less likely to lose air. Is there any benefit to using nitrogen vs. air in a car that sits for long periods of time?

Absloutely it will help.

I'll give you a perfect scenario for the rarely driven vehicle and the heavily driven vehicle.

First of all I sell tires, and I offer the nitrogen service free to all my customers. You can reference in detail the benefits of nitrogen filling by going here: http://www.getnitrogen.org/

One day I had two very different customers. One had a Ford Escape that he drove about 40,000 miles a year. One had a late 70s Chevy Corvette that was stored winters and rarely driven. Both cars got 4 new tires, both cars got the nitrogen.

With the heavily driven vehicle its a benefit because of the stabilization of the tires air pressure. Because of that it will increase his tires life, and increase his gas mileage.

As for the rarely driven vehicle (as in your case) its still a huge benefit because of nitrogen's inert properties. It will remove 99% of moisture out of your tire. The problem moisture poises to a tire is huge.

I guarentee you that as more and more people use nitrogen you will see less automobile accidents related to faulty tires, or improper inflation pressure.

My wife drives her car over 20,000 miles yearly we've seen a 2-3 mile per gallon increase because of nitrogen. Add up the gas savings and the extended tire life and we've saved hundreds this year alone.

However again I encourage everyone who is unsure or even doesn't agree with the benefits to read up and truly become knowledgeable about nitrogen and its benefits .

I have a hard time believing all the claims being made about nitrogen in tires.

First of all, don't forget that your tires already have about 78% nitrogen in them. That's the amount of nitrogen in the atmosphere. So, when you fill with "pure" nitrogen, you're really only changing about 22% of the volume of gas in the tire.

I'll accept the statements that reducing the amount of water vapor has a beneficial effect on tire and wheel longevity by reducing oxidation and corrosion. I might even believe that it can help stabilize pressures. But I can't accept statements about significant increases in mileage, or that nitrogen obviates the need to regularly check pressures and adjust for changes in ambient temperature (Last I checked, nitrogen still followed the laws of physics).

i prefer to check the pressures in my tires frequently, and adjust for ambient temperature as required. In New England, I have to deal with 100 deg temp swings (0-100F) over the course of a year. Furthermore, every tire and wheel I've ever owned has met its demise through mileage or road hazard. To me, the costs of a nitrogen fill are not worth the benefits.

I have a hard time believing all the claims being made about nitrogen in tires.

First of all, don't forget that your tires already have about 78% nitrogen in them. That's the amount of nitrogen in the atmosphere. So, when you fill with "pure" nitrogen, you're really only changing about 22% of the volume of gas in the tire.

I'll accept the statements that reducing the amount of water vapor has a beneficial effect on tire and wheel longevity by reducing oxidation and corrosion. I might even believe that it can help stabilize pressures. But I can't accept statements about significant increases in mileage, or that nitrogen obviates the need to regularly check pressures and adjust for changes in ambient temperature (Last I checked, nitrogen still followed the laws of physics).

Sure it absolutely follows the laws of physics. Those laws show use that nitrogen is an inert gas. Temperature and moisture have a mild effect on nitrogen. As has been stated nitrogen is a dry gas and just by its nature your tire and wheel life is going to be increased.

I think we can all agree that nitrogen reduces corrosion issues for both the tire and wheel. Just with that benefit alone nitrogen inflation is more than worth it.

i prefer to check the pressures in my tires frequently, and adjust for ambient temperature as required. In New England, I have to deal with 100 deg temp swings (0-100F) over the course of a year. Furthermore, every tire and wheel I've ever owned has met its demise through mileage or road hazard. To me, the costs of a nitrogen fill are not worth the benefits.

I always recommend that the best course of action for anyone is to regularly check your tire's air pressure even with the nitrogen. However I think its important to reiterate that NASCAR, NASA, the US Government, The Airline Industry, and now the retail tire market can all attest to the benefits of nitrogen inflation.

Nitrogen does not make it so you never have to replace tires or wheels, or that you won't suffer damage to tires or wheels from a road hazard. Although it does reduce the likelyhood of issues related to improper inflation pressure by at least 50%.

To me and others in the industry its an indespensible asset to increased benefit to our customers through longer tire life, longer wheel life, and safer driving.

There are no downsides to using nitrogen. I challenge anyone here to prove otherwise.

There are no downsides to using nitrogen. I challenge anyone here to prove otherwise.

Cost is the only one I can hink of.

That, and perhaps a false sense of security for "Joe Motorist" that if he gets his tires filled with N2, he'll never have to check them again.

Cost is the only one I can hink of.

We include it with purchase of tires, as do most of the shops that I know of. Even if there was a charge for filling tires with nitrogen the benefits of longer tire life, longer wheel life, better gas mileage, and decreased possibility of accidents due to poorly inflated tires is much more a benefit to the end consumer to use nitrogen.

That, and perhaps a false sense of security for "Joe Motorist" that if he gets his tires filled with N2, he'll never have to check them again.

It has never been recommended even with using nitrogen for 'joe motorist' to never check the inflation pressure of their tires. Infact if anything its a gigantic benefit because most people don't regularly check their tire's air pressure.

So in this case for "Joe Motorist" who never checks his air pressure anyways it gives him the benefit of stable tire inflation.

So since cost isn't a factor nor is the fact that most people don't regularly check their tire pressure isn't what else do you have?

We include it with purchase of tires, as do most of the shops that I know of. Even if there was a charge for filling tires with nitrogen the benefits of longer tire life, longer wheel life, better gas mileage, and decreased possibility of accidents due to poorly inflated tires is much more a benefit to the end consumer to use nitrogen.



It has never been recommended even with using nitrogen for 'joe motorist' to never check the inflation pressure of their tires. Infact if anything its a gigantic benefit because most people don't regularly check their tire's air pressure.

So in this case for "Joe Motorist" who never checks his air pressure anyways it gives him the benefit of stable tire inflation.

So since cost isn't a factor nor is the fact that most people don't regularly check their tire pressure isn't what else do you have?

I'll state it again - the problem is water vapor. Nitrogen is an easy vehicle for getting dry gas into your tires. For all intents and purposes, drying air is just as effective. The nitrogen is inert and the amount of oxygen at the conditions in your tires is also "inert". Also, if you examine diffusivity coefficients, oxygen won't leave your tire any faster than nitrogen.

For "joe motorist", the risk of a high pressure nitrogen cylinder in the home or garage greatly outweighs the benefit. (Just look up the effects of knocking the head off of a gas cylinder - that rocket will puncture a concrete block wall)

Just get a dessicant drier for your compressor. It's cheaper and doesn't present the potential danger of high pressure gas. And you can refill without the bother and expense of going to the one tire shop in town with dry nitrogen.

T

I have nitrogen in my tires although my tire sizes are 275/30/20 and 245/30/20...i paid 50 bucks at the cadillac dealer for the life of my car. i can't really tell a difference except when i go over speed bumps. the tires seem stiffer almost. idk..i just want to protect myself from small leaks. :cool2:

I'll state it again - the problem is water vapor. Nitrogen is an easy vehicle for getting dry gas into your tires. For all intents and purposes, drying air is just as effective. The nitrogen is inert and the amount of oxygen at the conditions in your tires is also "inert". Also, if you examine diffusivity coefficients, oxygen won't leave your tire any faster than nitrogen.

That would mean corrosion would be non-existant as would dry rot. However it is the case that oxygen is highly reactive and contains moisture. Moisture cause degradation in the stability of the rubber and the metal in the tire.

I would highly recommend reading up on the information previously posted about the benefits of nitrogen from the www.getnitrogen.com (http://www.getnitrogen.com) website.

For "joe motorist", the risk of a high pressure nitrogen cylinder in the home or garage greatly outweighs the benefit. (Just look up the effects of knocking the head off of a gas cylinder - that rocket will puncture a concrete block wall)

I saw that Mythbusters episode also, the unlikelyhood that your compressed nitrogen cylinder is laying flat waiting for a 50lb weight to cleave the release valve clean off is as likely as lighting striking the same place twice.

Thats even besides the fact that there is no high pressure nitrogen cylinder used for nitrogen inflation of your tires. All we have is a standard air compressor with a nitrogen drier and nitrogen generator (purifier). It operates much like an air filtration system.

Infact the system has no moving parts and runs without electricity except for the LED display to read nitrogen purity.

It sounds to me that you have some misconceptions about nitrogen and its benefits for inflating tires.

Just get a dessicant drier for your compressor. It's cheaper and doesn't present the potential danger of high pressure gas. And you can refill without the bother and expense of going to the one tire shop in town with dry nitrogen.

T

As I said above there is no use of a high pressure nitrogen cylinder whoever told you that was in error.

http://www.irtools.com/products/nitrogen/

http://www.irtools.com/_imgLibrary/complete/Nitrogen_m.jpg

It has a filter and an air tank. Again much the same as a water or air filtration system, and not any more dangerous either.

That would mean corrosion would be non-existant as would dry rot. However it is the case that oxygen is highly reactive and contains moisture. Moisture cause degradation in the stability of the rubber and the metal in the tire.

I would highly recommend reading up on the information previously posted about the benefits of nitrogen from the www.getnitrogen.com (http://www.getnitrogen.com) website.



Again, moisture is the problem. Oxygen is inert at these conditions. The rate of reaction is so minute that it is not worth considering. I am also skeptical of information from people selling stuff.



I saw that Mythbusters episode also, the unlikelyhood that your compressed nitrogen cylinder is laying flat waiting for a 50lb weight to cleave the release valve clean off is as likely as lighting striking the same place twice.

I'll agree that the probability is low, but if enough people had them and didn't secure them it would (and has, Univ of Pittsburgh - Presby Hospital, 1974. I was in grad school (ChE) then) happen

Thats even besides the fact that there is no high pressure nitrogen cylinder used for nitrogen inflation of your tires. All we have is a standard air compressor with a nitrogen drier and nitrogen generator (purifier). It operates much like an air filtration system.

Infact the system has no moving parts and runs without electricity except for the LED display to read nitrogen purity.

It sounds to me that you have some misconceptions about nitrogen and its benefits for inflating tires.

I believe nitrogen is excellent. Maybe as good as some Nobel gases but I don't believe the benefit is worth the cost. Sort of like bottled water - not really worth the expense unless you have no options.

As I said above there is no use of a high pressure nitrogen cylinder whoever told you that was in error.

http://www.irtools.com/products/nitrogen/

http://www.irtools.com/_imgLibrary/complete/Nitrogen_m.jpg

It has a filter and an air tank. Again much the same as a water or air filtration system, and not any more dangerous either.

I assume that the system you mention from IR is for commercial installation. The cost would be staggering for a private home/garage.

At this point, I'll let it drop. I don't have a financial interest in nitrogen in tires except to think it isn't worth the time, effort or cost for the average "joe motorist"

Sorry

I hit the submit twice, I guess

Again, moisture is the problem. Oxygen is inert at these conditions. The rate of reaction is so minute that it is not worth considering. I am also skeptical of information from people selling stuff.

I'm sorry but the quantity of a gas doesn't change how it reacts physically. Each oxygen molecule is reactive and can contain moisture. Physics doesn't change just because the oxygen is in a tire.

Like I said if it was a non issue that tires and wheels wouldn't corrode and dry rot from moisture.

I'll agree that the probability is low, but if enough people had them and didn't secure them it would (and has, Univ of Pittsburgh - Presby Hospital, 1974. I was in grad school (ChE) then) happen

Well this isn't grad school and the University of Pittsburgh is it?

I believe nitrogen is excellent. Maybe as good as some Nobel gases but I don't believe the benefit is worth the cost. Sort of like bottled water - not really worth the expense unless you have no options.

You know its fine if you don't believe it, however the benefits are real

As for bottled water even if you had to buy it its still a benefit physically and mentally to your body.

I assume that the system you mention from IR is for commercial installation. The cost would be staggering for a private home/garage.

Actually its cheaper than you'd think, not that the private owner will ever need to install a nitrogen purifier in their garage. Most people don't even own anything more than a 5 gallon compressor.

At this point, I'll let it drop. I don't have a financial interest in nitrogen in tires except to think it isn't worth the time, effort or cost for the average "joe motorist"

Michelin, Goodyear, Firestone, Ford, Ingersoll Rand, and many other companies feel its a viable investment, and I'm sorry but I'd believe those companies who have the potential to lose millions of dollars if its a bad investment.

Btw, did you read any of the information from the links I've posted?

I can't decide if this is hilarious or pitiful.

How about pitifully hilarious ? :food-snacking:

why are people saying nitrogen is expensive??? its 50 bucks for the life of your car if you go to a dealer!!!

Well, Ewill..you can't just say that and leave. As one of our resident "insiders", what is your take on nitrogen?

I already spoke my peace on this issue, really.

I think it's great for extreme use applications as mentioned, useful yes, but I think there is some hype in this topic. Of course anyone selling you the hydrogen is going to tell you it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, whether it is or not.
I think a lot of the comments about it reducing tire wear, saving maintenance, and saving lives is an interesting hypothesis but hardly founded on any type of research or statistical data, it's conjecture... not to say that it might not be true, but it's still made up of assumptions from what I can see.

If you don't mind spending the extra cash, it's obviously not going to hurt anything, but I think for an average driver who has their car maintained on a regular basis that it's not worth spending the extra cash.

I won't go into the science of it all, all that junk has been said and there are valid points on both sides of the fence.

I just think it's sad that it keeps going back and forth with the same comments over and over, really I was just trying to lighten up the mood.
Not sure if it worked. Sometimes I have a gift for saying the wrong thing.
;)

Look, take 8 or 10 cans of fix-o-flat and fill each of your tires with the goo.

The special mixture will solidify and keep your tires nice and round, plus, as an added benifit you'll never have another flat again!

I already spoke my peace on this issue, really.

I think it's great for extreme use applications as mentioned, useful yes, but I think there is some hype in this topic. Of course anyone selling you the hydrogen is going to tell you it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, whether it is or not.
I think a lot of the comments about it reducing tire wear, saving maintenance, and saving lives is an interesting hypothesis but hardly founded on any type of research or statistical data, it's conjecture... not to say that it might not be true, but it's still made up of assumptions from what I can see.

If you don't mind spending the extra cash, it's obviously not going to hurt anything, but I think for an average driver who has their car maintained on a regular basis that it's not worth spending the extra cash.

I won't go into the science of it all, all that junk has been said and there are valid points on both sides of the fence.

I just think it's sad that it keeps going back and forth with the same comments over and over, really I was just trying to lighten up the mood.
Not sure if it worked. Sometimes I have a gift for saying the wrong thing.
;)

www.GetNitrogen.com (http://www.GetNitrogen.com)

That website has plenty of scientific, statistical, and research to support using nitrogen to inflate your cars tires.

All I'm trying to impress upon people here is that if it wasn't a benefit that it wouldn't be used even in extreme conditions. Also last I checked automobile racing has been a long developer of performance parts from brakes, chassis, engine, etc etc that has made its way into everyday passenger vehicles.

Nitrogen tire inflation is no different. Its been tried and true in many extreme conditions. The benefits speak for themselves, but sometimes it takes a little extra to help people get past their disbelief.

Don't want to use it? Fine. But you can't argue with physics and all the research data that supports what I've stated.

That website has plenty of speculation BASED ON "scientific, statistical, and research to support using nitrogen". I don't see anything that says an organization conducted an actual scientifically controlled test and laid out the results of that test.
I would agree that a smaller amount of oxygen will reduce oxidation on the inside of the tire, but the real oxidation problem is on the outside of the tire, not the inside. I have seen corrosion on and in wheels too, but typically it's because of the manufacturing process used in the finish of the wheels.

I agree it's a benefit in "extreme conditions" and it seems your main arguement is that if you "ignore" your car you'll be safer. I think enough people ingore their cars already and if you run over a nail your tire is going to go just as flat and cause a wreck as it would if you had an ambient air fill.

Saying that they use N2 in race cars is like telling me I should go out and buy a fire suit and wear a helmet when I drive because they do it in NASCAR and it's just not true. Race cars use different components than street vehicles do. Granted racing has helped accelerate the development of lots of systems on today's cars but street cars just don't use the same components. If you put brake pads for a NASCAR vehicle on your street car you'd get in a wreck. The temperature performance of racing brakes is completely different than those of cars on the street.

You are more than welcome to state your opinion, but I am entitled to mine as well.
I wouldn't advise people against using it, but I wouldn't be praising this stuff so loudly without some actual scientific data to back it up.

If there were scientific evidence to back up the claims on that website it would seem to me that NHTSA would mandate nitrogen fills and there would be regulations for every service facility to have a nitrogen tank in use.
They are mandating tire pressure monitor systems to help folks maintain tire pressures but the promises made on that website make those systems seem worthless because if you use nitrogen, you'll never have to check the air in your tires again! ;)

An excerpt from a research paper linked from that website:

Dearth of information as to the benefits of nitrogen inflation for either the fleet owner or average consumer. One benefit of using N2 is claimed to be higher air pressure retention because of the lower permeability of N2 than O2 through IIR, NR, and SBR compounds. While this is true in controlled laboratory tests of pressure retention in tires, the benefit to the real world consumer could be somewhat less. Pressure loss due to leakage around the rim flange seal of the tire to the rim and also the valve seal to the wheel (plus pressure loss through the valve itself) could account for some of the air loss experienced by the typical consumer, for example. The characteristic linear volume expansion with temperature because of nitrogen's inherently low water absorption characteristics is no benefit to the average driver because the handling requirements for daily commuting are nowhere near as demanding as for racing; the improvement would be negligible and imperceptible.

As an aside, it seems reasonable to extrapolate that we'll all end up with nitrogen filled tires based on some of this information.
Afterall if the oxygen and other molecules present have a higher tendency to leak but the nitrogen won't, then the oxygen and other contaminants will leak out and just leave the nitrogen behind.

I have a buddy the only uses nitrogen and says its the way to go. Pressure is consistant as can be.

That website has plenty of speculation BASED ON "scientific, statistical, and research to support using nitrogen". I don't see anything that says an organization conducted an actual scientifically controlled test and laid out the results of that test.
I would agree that a smaller amount of oxygen will reduce oxidation on the inside of the tire, but the real oxidation problem is on the outside of the tire, not the inside. I have seen corrosion on and in wheels too, but typically it's because of the manufacturing process used in the finish of the wheels.

I agree it's a benefit in "extreme conditions" and it seems your main arguement is that if you "ignore" your car you'll be safer. I think enough people ingore their cars already and if you run over a nail your tire is going to go just as flat and cause a wreck as it would if you had an ambient air fill.

Saying that they use N2 in race cars is like telling me I should go out and buy a fire suit and wear a helmet when I drive because they do it in NASCAR and it's just not true. Race cars use different components than street vehicles do. Granted racing has helped accelerate the development of lots of systems on today's cars but street cars just don't use the same components. If you put brake pads for a NASCAR vehicle on your street car you'd get in a wreck. The temperature performance of racing brakes is completely different than those of cars on the street.

You are more than welcome to state your opinion, but I am entitled to mine as well.
I wouldn't advise people against using it, but I wouldn't be praising this stuff so loudly without some actual scientific data to back it up.

If there were scientific evidence to back up the claims on that website it would seem to me that NHTSA would mandate nitrogen fills and there would be regulations for every service facility to have a nitrogen tank in use.
They are mandating tire pressure monitor systems to help folks maintain tire pressures but the promises made on that website make those systems seem worthless because if you use nitrogen, you'll never have to check the air in your tires again! ;)

No offense, but there is plenty of research data that you missed.

The following link has more information to support my point.

http://www.getnitrogen.org/pdf/print_articles/Technical%20-%20Why%20Nitrogen%20Inflation%20Extends%20Tread%20 Life.pdf

A full list of articles go to the following link.

http://www.getnitrogen.org/sub2.php?view=print#deep

Also I never said you'd never have to refill your tires, or never check your air pressure. I also never alluded to the concept that you could simply ignore your tire inflation pressure by using nitrogen.

Infact I always recommend the most important thing you should do is regularly check your tires air pressure, nitrogen or no.

Nitrogen inflation is proven, there is plenty of evidence to support it. Granted the "extreme use" situations may see a better benefit, even still the everyday situations will still see a benefit.

I'll say it again if it wasn't a viable technology than NASCAR, NASA, The airline industry, the tire industry, and many others wouldn't be investing in it.

Its like saying cellphones are a fad, it doesn't make any sense to invest millions without providing some sort of viable benefit.

Not to continue the arguement, but nitrogen is free at costco if you buy your tires there...

HAHA...

Reed

Why Nitrogen Tire Inflation Extends Commercial Tire Tread Life

I am not telling anyone not to do it, I am just saying I don't believe it's worth the extra cost unless you own an airplane, drive a stock car, or own a fleet of semi-trucks.
It's a free country and we all have free will, someone asked for my opinion and I gave it. Red, you gave yours too. I never said it wasn't "viable", I said I don't believe it is a worthwhile investment for an average driver. Not sure why it's so hard to accept that not everyone in the world believes the same things, but guess what?

Reed, thanks for letting us know that costco provides this service for FREE.
At least it will keep people from doing what I consider to be wasting money for this service.

I think both sides of this discussion have made plenty of points.
My participation in this particular thread is over. Have a nice day everyone.

Reed, thanks for letting us know that costco provides this service for FREE.
At least it will keep people from doing what I consider to be wasting money for this service.


Costco= Smart.. trust me...

they will make the sale to those who see the value. I think its wasting money..

If its free, sure, why not, ill take it. But i will not be paying for something like this that I may not see a benifit. <-- MY OPINION.

PS I did NOT get my tires at costco, instead I went to Americas tire company. So, I get regular old "air." Oh, and it was a hot day and they had mysters running so I got extra moisture!

HAHA

Reed

Its fine if you have your own opinion about it, but again if its a benefit in extreme conditions it will still be a benefit in everyday conditions most vehicles encounter.

Even if the benefit is as small as 1-3% its still a benefit and pays for itself just from the increased mileage, and tire life.

Btw, I've seen increases of about 3-4mpg in my vehicles using nitrogen inflation, and on top of that the pressure stays consistent for months on end.

I'm sorry but nitrogen won't cause an increase in tire life simply because of it being a different gas. You cannot and will not bullshat me into believing that if an owner keeps their tires inflated at the proper pressure with "normal" air vs nitrogen that they will see any difference in tire life. Get Real dude !
It's true it does not loose pressure as quickly as normal air, but that is all. Anything is is BS.

I'm sorry but nitrogen won't cause an increase in tire life simply because of it being a different gas. You cannot and will not bullshat me into believing that if an owner keeps their tires inflated at the proper pressure with "normal" air vs nitrogen that they will see any difference in tire life. Get Real dude !
It's true it does not loose pressure as quickly as normal air, but that is all. Anything is is BS.

Well thats fine if you avoid the facts and research, hundreds of companies, not to forget that NASA, and the US Military support using to inflate tires.

Michelin, Goodyear, and Bridgestone all support using nitrogen to inflate their tires. I know for a fact that they would not lightly come to the decision to support a useless technology.

But hey believe what you want its fine with me, perhaps you've gotten the impression that I am emotionally involved in an internet conversation, I'm not.

Nitrogen inflation is just plain and simply better for your vehicle and your vehicle's tires.

Forget about nitrogen... I'm using helium...

It's available at any party supply store plus it makes your car lighter so you can go faster and get better gas mileage... :thumbsup: