: Why Formula One Owns All!!



RedGalant2k1
08-12-06, 11:49 PM
F1 vs Ferrari vs Fiat - Google Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7320960375181402397)

The video speaks for inself.....amazing.

gary88
08-13-06, 12:25 AM
Awesome video :thumbsup:

I went to the USGP 2 years ago in Indianapolis, and it was simply amazing to see them in action. It was the first (but certainly not last) F1 race i'd ever been to. The sound of them hitting the rev limiter and launching sent chills down my back. We had seats on the main stretch, and you literally can miss them in the blink of an eye when they drive past you. I have videos somewhere, i'll post them if I can find them.

RobertCTS
08-14-06, 09:25 AM
Nope. I was more excited this weekend to watch the NASCAR boys sliding in the kitty litter on a road course at Watkins Glen, NY. These racers are use to making only left turns so the road course really presents a major challenge for these drivers in 3400lb race cars.

DBA-One
08-14-06, 04:35 PM
F1 does kick ass. Even down to 1/10 scale. None of my RC cars have every cornered as well as my F1 car does. I don't know for how much longer Scott Speed (that is a great racing drivers name) will have a ride. I like to root for the American but it seems to be a lost cause.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-14-06, 05:20 PM
F1 is my favorite motorsport. Great companies, great technology, great engines, plus, it's such a high class motorsport.

RobertCTS
08-14-06, 05:35 PM
I've never seen a F1 race with 250,000 in attendance. NASCAR has:stirpot:

Elvis
08-14-06, 05:41 PM
I've never seen a F1 race with 250,000 in attendance. NASCAR has:stirpot:

NASCAR fans usually decide our presidential elections.

Interpret that any way you wish... :stirpot:

Dadillac
08-14-06, 06:43 PM
Although I love all forms of auto racing, F1 has to be the most boring to watch. There is almost no passing for the lead during a race. Aside from pit stops, you may be fortunate to see two lead changes. That to me is not exciting.

Don

EDBSO
08-14-06, 07:25 PM
Although I love all forms of auto racing, F1 has to be the most boring to watch. There is almost no passing for the lead during a race. Aside from pit stops, you may be fortunate to see two lead changes. That to me is not exciting.

Don

Yup, and then you have that Michael jerk, you know the one who parks centre track to ruin a fast competitor's time trial and who also regularly punts competitor's cars off the course. I love F1 at 10X playback speed. And the Indianapolis F1 race where only 5 cars (including M Shitmaker) ran because of tire safety issues. Yup that is sportsmanship NOT!

If you let Shitmaker go by the start line wide open a top fuel would pass him by the 1/4 mile mark!!! Where is F1 then!!!
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gary88
08-14-06, 07:38 PM
Then again, top fuel dragsters can't turn.

Put an F1 driver and a NASCAR driver on the same course, same car, and there won't even be a comparison.

RobertCTS
08-14-06, 09:21 PM
Then again, top fuel dragsters can't turn.

Put an F1 driver and a NASCAR driver on the same course, same car, and there won't even be a comparison.

BS! Jeff Gordon and Schumaker traded cars and Gordon blue away Schumaker! Gordon felt he could rise to the top but his opponent was baffled. NASCAR out draws all other sports at any given event. Go Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon.:bouncy: YeeHawww!:stirpot:

RedGalant2k1
08-14-06, 09:23 PM
I've never seen a F1 race with 250,000 in attendance. NASCAR has:stirpot:

About that many watched Formula One at Indianapolis.

RobertCTS
08-14-06, 09:27 PM
About that many watched Formula One at Indianapolis.

Tie on that one red. Jimmie Johnson won last week at Indy with the same sell out attendance. You race at Martinsville or Bristol? Short Tracks are fun!!
No F1 Doesn't run the short 1/2 mile tracks....CRASH!!!:stirpot:

EDBSO
08-14-06, 09:28 PM
[quote=gary88;777190]Then again, top fuel dragsters can't turn.

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OK you have got me. It is widely documented that Shitmaker is very good at turning into other competitors and putting them out of the race.

Now an Abrams tank could win because he could not be run off the track or if someone purposely blocked the track there would only be a slight crunch.

RedGalant2k1
08-14-06, 09:42 PM
You know I just posted this because its a cool video, not for it to be a comparision between Nascar and F1, or to attack certian participants of either sport.

Just incredibly amazing how fast F1 cars actually are.

Elvis
08-14-06, 10:35 PM
Jeff Gordon could probably eventually win on the Formula 1 circuit, but I doubt many other NASCAR drivers would even finish.

RobertCTS
08-15-06, 06:06 AM
Jeff Gordon could probably eventually win on the Formula 1 circuit, but I doubt many other NASCAR drivers would even finish.

I'm only aware of one open wheeler who could make the switch to a Cup car. That's Tony Stewart. Even the GT Drivers like Said, Pruett and Papis haven't been able to do it. Something about driving a 3400 pound car at speeds of 200mph on a track as small as a 1/2 mile! :bouncy:

Elvis
08-15-06, 08:05 AM
In the back of my mind, I can hear Robert Duvall saying,

"He RUBBED you, son! RUBBIN'S RACIN'!"

RobertCTS
08-15-06, 09:23 AM
In the back of my mind, I can hear Robert Duvall saying,

"He RUBBED you, son! RUBBIN'S RACIN'!"

I remember that movie Elvis. Wasn't Tom Cruise the driver and Duvall was the Crew Chief? Bristol and Martinsville for rubbin', beatin' & bangin'. Did you see Kurt Bush and Roby Gordon at last weeks Bush race? Kurt said it reminded him of his race with Ricky Craven a few years ago.

Elvis
08-15-06, 09:44 AM
I rarely watch NASCAR. Just enough to know who 8 & 24 are. That's about it. ;)

RobertCTS
08-15-06, 10:04 AM
I rarely watch NASCAR. Just enough to know who 8 & 24 are. That's about it. ;)

You should add the #48 to your long list. Jimmie Johnson, the points leader. 3 too much? j/k

DBA-One
08-15-06, 11:18 AM
The only way comparing NASCAR to F1 makes sense is if a driver graduates to F1 from NASCAR. When it was announced Montoya would be in NASCAR I didn't gain respect for him, I lost it. F1 is the pinnacle of racing if you ask me and there is nowhere to go but down from there. That is just my opinion.

Elvis
08-15-06, 11:58 AM
You should add the #48 to your long list. Jimmie Johnson, the points leader. 3 too much? j/k

Oh yeah, can't forget 3. Or 43. Never heard of 48. :confused:

I thought Jimmy Johnson was a football coach?

P-Funk
08-15-06, 12:47 PM
BS! Jeff Gordon and Schumaker traded cars and Gordon blue away Schumaker! Gordon felt he could rise to the top but his opponent was baffled. NASCAR out draws all other sports at any given event. Go Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon.:bouncy: YeeHawww!:stirpot:

Amen brother.

RobertCTS
08-15-06, 04:02 PM
Amen brother.

You got that right!!
F1 is a dieing sport. Has been for years. No auto sport has the growth of NASCAR. The Networks realize that and pay big bucks to televise the Cup races. They race every week for 8 months out of the year. How often do you see a F1 dribers number on a T shirt, window decal or bumper sticker?

P-Funk
08-15-06, 04:09 PM
You got that right!!
F1 is a dieing sport. Has been for years. No auto sport has the growth of NASCAR. The Networks realize that and pay big bucks to televise the Cup races. They race every week for 8 months out of the year. How often do you see a F1 dribers number on a T shirt, window decal or bumper sticker?

Not to mention cars from the manufacturers with the drivers edition. You could get Monte Carlo's with Gordon, Stewart, Jr. or Bobby L. (when he was with Chevy last year) at the dealerships.

Elvis
08-15-06, 04:47 PM
Cadillac should get into NASCAR. It would probably double sales within three years.

DBA-One
08-15-06, 05:25 PM
You got that right!!
F1 is a dieing sport. Has been for years. No auto sport has the growth of NASCAR. The Networks realize that and pay big bucks to televise the Cup races. They race every week for 8 months out of the year. How often do you see a F1 dribers number on a T shirt, window decal or bumper sticker?

I have a different view. If it is dying then why new tracks in China, Bahrain, etc. F1 is huge it seems just about everywhere except the US. Granted that F1 doesn't have the viewer ship that NASCAR does but to say it is dying is going a bit too far. It's a world wide enjoyed sport all the same.

If anything, it is too expensive and too exclusive. Formula one reaps tons of money every season it is just that we don't necessarily hear about it here unless you look hard enough. Just look at the sponsorship money these teams get and eat up each season. The highest if I recall is Ferrari (big surprise there) at something like 120 million dollars! The next lowest was 80 million or so. Just nuts if you ask me.

The FIA and Mr. Eccelstone do a lot to keep F1 a small club if you ask me. I'm sure you know this but a top F1 team driver salary is more than many NASCAR teams yearly budget. It's too expensive to compete in for most peoples taste. That goes for ticket sales, too. Given that and Mr. Eccelstone's seeming contempt for America it is little surprise F1 doesn't get the publicity here that NASCAR does.


"Not to mention cars from the manufacturers with the drivers edition. You could get Monte Carlo's with Gordon, Stewart, Jr. or Bobby L. (when he was with Chevy last year) at the dealerships."

Yeah right! A fool and his money are soon parted! Like a new Monte Carlo with some stickers on it has anything to do with an actual NASCAR spec race car. I can see where a fan of a particular driver would be happy to own a car that is tarted up like his favorite drivers car but it is all fantasy. I'd rather own, say Nigel Mansell's F40 than a Chevy with some badges (of course I'll take anyone's F40 for that matter)

AlBundy
08-15-06, 05:58 PM
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The only way comparing NASCAR to F1 makes sense is if a driver graduates to F1 from NASCAR. When it was announced Montoya would be in NASCAR I didn't gain respect for him, I lost it. F1 is the pinnacle of racing if you ask me and there is nowhere to go but down from there. That is just my opinion.

I agree.

HITMONEY
08-15-06, 08:26 PM
NASCAR is what it is and sometimes it entertains me as well... it is kind a like wrestling to me... if its on and I can't find the remote within reach, it will amuse me until someone comes in my living room and hands me the "mote".

F1, is the pinnacle of 4 wheeled motor racing, espicially in terms of money spent and the technology that resides in those machines. Americans don't like it because it isn't from here, the races are mostly in Europe, the drivers are mostly European as well... it is kind of like soccer. Soccer is the biggest sport in the world, just not in the US...F1 is the the worlds 4 wheeled motorsport and GP for two wheels.

Maybe if Budweiser sponsored an F1 team it would be more popular in the states?????
:)

I am not really knocking NASCAR, I've been to some races at Lowes, Atlanta and Homstead... but like I said.. it is what it is.... F1 it is certainly not, but if i had my choice of racing to watch... I'll take Rolex Racing or German Sedan racing, SCCA. NASCAR, F1...just cause its expensive don't make it the best.

RedGalant2k1
08-16-06, 12:05 AM
You got that right!!
F1 is a dieing sport. Has been for years. No auto sport has the growth of NASCAR. The Networks realize that and pay big bucks to televise the Cup races. They race every week for 8 months out of the year. How often do you see a F1 dribers number on a T shirt, window decal or bumper sticker?

Formula One also races 8 months out of the year, and all around the world to boot!

If you want to compare popularity, its really no contest Formula One has a far larger viewer base than NASCAR could ever hope for, by that I mean in the hundreds of millions.

NASCAR can't turn at 180mph.

RobertCTS
08-16-06, 09:26 AM
NASCAR can't turn at 180mph.

:lies: :lies: You're misinformed Red
<H3>1) Talladega Superspeedway (http://nascar.about.com/od/tracks/p/talladega.htm)

Talladega is the longest race track on the NASCAR NEXTEL Cup schedule. This 2.66 mile high-banked oval is one of two race tracks on the circuit that requires the use of restrictor plates to keep the speeds under control. Without the plates to limit horsepower a NEXTEL Cup car could reach speeds here around 235 miles per hour. Talladega opened in 1969 amid controversy as the drivers boycotted the race because of the extremely high speeds. Even in 1969 qualifying laps were averaging over 199 MPH.
More: Talladega Superspeedway (http://nascar.about.com/od/tracks/p/talladega.htm)

2) Daytona International Speedway (http://nascar.about.com/od/tracks/p/daytona.htm)

Daytona International Speedway is the other race track (along with Talladega) that requires cars to use the horsepower-limiting restrictor plates. As a result this 2.5 mile high-banked tri-oval features average speeds much slower than would be otherwise possible. The qualifying record is over 210 MPH but that was set in 1987, the last year before restrictor plates were mandatory. Since the restrictor plates have been implemented qualifying speeds have been around 189 MPH.

3) Indianapolis Motor Speedway (http://nascar.about.com/od/tracks/p/indianapolis.htm)

Tied with Daytona and Pocono at 2.5 miles Indianapolis Motor Speedway is one of the great icons in all of motorsports. This track is relatively flat with just 9 degrees of banking in the corners so drivers are on the brakes at the end of the two long straights. This keeps speeds reasonable (the qualifying record is a little over 186 MPH).

TSN coverage of Daytona 500 confirms Auto Racing as nation's number one spectator sport

Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - The Sports Network, the nation's foremost real-time international sports wire service, has announced that the public's response to its coverage of the Daytona 500 this past weekend has absolutely confirmed what has been known to sports aficionados for years - that auto racing is, indeed, American's number one spectator sport. "That is why we recently added coverage of the Busch and Truck Series to our already extensive reporting of NASCAR.


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P-Funk
08-16-06, 09:50 AM
"Not to mention cars from the manufacturers with the drivers edition. You could get Monte Carlo's with Gordon, Stewart, Jr. or Bobby L. (when he was with Chevy last year) at the dealerships."

Yeah right! A fool and his money are soon parted! Like a new Monte Carlo with some stickers on it has anything to do with an actual NASCAR spec race car. I can see where a fan of a particular driver would be happy to own a car that is tarted up like his favorite drivers car but it is all fantasy. I'd rather own, say Nigel Mansell's F40 than a Chevy with some badges (of course I'll take anyone's F40 for that matter)

At what point did I say that the Monte Carlo with some stickers on it has anything to do with an actual NASCAR spec race car? We were talking about popularity of NASCAR and F1. I said that "some stickers" of a NASCAR driver were a draw to the car because of the popularity of NASCAR. Pay attention.

RedGalant2k1
08-16-06, 10:29 AM
:lies: :lies: You're misinformed Red


All they do is follow the banks on the oval they drive on.

gary88
08-16-06, 11:42 AM
I just can't find any interest in watching 500 laps of nothing but left turns.

RedGalant2k1
08-16-06, 12:09 PM
I just can't find any interest in watching 500 laps of nothing but left turns.

Well, occasionally they turn right, but the outcome usually isn't good.

RobertCTS
08-16-06, 12:14 PM
It's obvious you guys no little about NASCAR racing. First off they are not all left turns. They also run tough road courses like Watkins Glen and Sonoma CA. The Cup drivers are pushing 3 Gs in a 3400 pound car. The endure much more physical punishment in those hot cabins reaching over 100 degrees. These drivers push their cars past the design envelope. And many of the tracks are not banked. It's also obvious you know little about the complexities of setting cars up. 1/2 pound of air in one tire can upset the balance of the car. With 43 cars on the track there is often less than 5 seconds between first and last place. I think F1 is limp wrist hottie tottie blue bloods. Ever heard, "What wins on Sunday sells on Monday"? Fi doesn't even come close with the sponsorship money that NASCAR bring to the table.

Hey P Funk, I say JJ 48 is taking it all the way for '06:woohoo:

P-Funk
08-16-06, 01:08 PM
When I was living overseas, I used to watch F1. It was alright. I guess you could say I was a fan of F1 before NASCAR. I didn't start watching NASCAR until I moved back to the States and from an entertainment standpoint, NASCAR is by far more entertaining.

Robert, that would be great. Being so close and falling short so many times, I'd like to see him pull it off.

HotRodSaint
08-16-06, 01:24 PM
First, it was Juan Pablo Montoya and Jeff Gordon who switched cars at Indy.


Ever heard, "What wins on Sunday sells on Monday"?

Which is why Toyota and Honda joined Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW and Peugeot in Formula One. It's a global economy, and there is no other sport in the world that challenges Soccer for global supremecy.

Now NASCAR is certainly popular in the US. But that hasn't helped Ford, Chevy or Dodge compete against Toyota and Honda in the showroom with anything other than pick-em up trucks and SUV's.

NASCAR should thank Tony George for single handedly ruining American Open Wheeled racing. CART was more much popular than NASCAR in the early '90's and was even a threat to Formula One before Tony George got pissy and kicked them all out of his sandbox.

It'll be a long time before you see Alfa Romeo, Mercedes or Porsche at the Indy 500. Thanks to Tony Georges short sighted temper tantrum, we are much more likely to see those marques at the Brickyard 400.

HotRodSaint
08-16-06, 01:25 PM
They also run tough road courses like Watkins Glen and Sonoma CA.

So tough, some teams hire road coarse specialists! :thumbsup:

HotRodSaint
08-16-06, 01:30 PM
F1 vs Ferrari vs Fiat - Google Video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7320960375181402397)

The video speaks for inself.....amazing.


Great video! :thumbsup:

RedGalant2k1
08-16-06, 01:38 PM
It's obvious you guys no little about NASCAR racing. First off they are not all left turns. They also run tough road courses like Watkins Glen and Sonoma CA. The Cup drivers are pushing 3 Gs in a 3400 pound car. The endure much more physical punishment in those hot cabins reaching over 100 degrees. These drivers push their cars past the design envelope. And many of the tracks are not banked. It's also obvious you know little about the complexities of setting cars up. 1/2 pound of air in one tire can upset the balance of the car. With 43 cars on the track there is often less than 5 seconds between first and last place.


Relax Robert, I know plenty about NASCAR. Nascar tracks are HEAVILY banked in the turns, and slightly banked in the straights. I used to watch when the King, Richard Petty drove, I've remember watching Davey Allison's horrible wreck. I have probably seen hundreds of NASCAR races. Just gets boring after 200+ laps of the same thing, well besides the car crashes which are all to common in NASCAR.

I've even met Tony Stewart, I have several things autographed from him as well.

Averages are about 20% in the turns and 4-6% in the straights. You'd barely have to hold the wheel over to turn on a typical NASCAR circuit.

You don't think F1 drivers push those cars past their design?

Btw, Robert you might want to look at this detailed listing of NASCAR tracks before you say they aren't banked.

FOX Sports - NASCAR - Tracks (http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/track?trackId=33)



I think F1 is limp wrist hottie tottie blue bloods. Ever heard, "What wins on Sunday sells on Monday"? Fi doesn't even come close with the sponsorship money that NASCAR bring to the table.

Hey P Funk, I say JJ 48 is taking it all the way for '06:woohoo:

You say we have no clue....F1 is a broader sport accepted by more people worldwide than NASCAR could ever hope for, not to mention they turn both ways.

Elvis
08-16-06, 01:56 PM
It's kind of like comparing soccer to the NFL. Complete waste of time.

DBA-One
08-16-06, 02:04 PM
At what point did I say that the Monte Carlo with some stickers on it has anything to do with an actual NASCAR spec race car? We were talking about popularity of NASCAR and F1. I said that "some stickers" of a NASCAR driver were a draw to the car because of the popularity of NASCAR. Pay attention.


Yeah, I'll try to get my head around your "Driver's Edition" It's not the popularity of NASCAR people would by, it is thinking that they are the actual driver because they have an Earnhart Edition Monte Carlo. Same for a fool that buys a Ferrari and thinks he is Shumi. You pay attention, *******.

Elvis
08-16-06, 02:07 PM
I used to wear Converse high-tops and let my socks droop down like Pete Maravich.

Didn't help my game any.

DBA-One
08-16-06, 02:12 PM
Roger Waters has a great quote. I'll try and get it right:

"If you give someone a guitar, they do not become Jimi Henderix. If you give them a synthesizer, they do not become Pink Floyd"

It is good advice and applies in many, many situations. Including racing fans of all types.

DBA-One
08-16-06, 02:19 PM
Which channels are you speaking of? I mainly watch Speed. While it's great they play a wide variety of things, it seems NASCAR something or other is always on. And on top of that, it isn't even racing! It's just a bunch of rednecks talking to each other in Britanny Spears Boom Mics.

Shounds like I need to watch more BBC and DWTV.

Elvis
08-16-06, 02:30 PM
Which channels are you speaking of? I mainly watch Speed. While it's great they play a wide variety of things, it seems NASCAR something or other is always on. And on top of that, it isn't even racing! It's just a bunch of rednecks talking to each other in Britanny Spears Boom Mics.

Shounds like I need to watch more BBC and DWTV.

I made an inaccurate statement in that post.

I listen to a lot of Euro-radio feeds, particularly the BBC world service broadcast. When they get to "sport" they never have mentioned NASCAR when I've been tuned in.

But then I did a search on their website and saw that they do include written articles.

My guess is that a big race like Daytona would get more mention.

DBA-One
08-16-06, 02:46 PM
I see

RobertCTS
08-16-06, 02:47 PM
The BBC can't relate to NASCAR..geez anyone would know that. Check ESPN and SpeedTV, TNT NASCAR. We have NBC, TNT, ESPN and FOX all fighting to cover the NASCAR races. NASCAR is in the drivers seat when it comes to bringing in revenue from the networks and advertisers. F1 isn't even in the same league. Every weekend I can watch 3 NASCAR races. The truck series, Busch series and the Cup series. F1 can't compete with that

Back to Flat tracks. Red is in error again saying all tracks are banked.

"The short, flat tracks are Phoenix International Raceway, Martinsville Speedway, and New Hampshire International Speedway. What makes these tracks special is that they are flat, but small enough to race like short tracks, which gives the fans an added dose of excitement. And don't forget Watkins Glen and Sanoma tracks."- D.W.

DBA-One
08-16-06, 02:56 PM
. F1 isn't even in the same league. Every weekend I can watch 3 NASCAR races. The truck series, Busch series and the Cup series. F1 can't compete with that



So what? MTV, or so I'm told will show all the trash viewers expect to see. None of it quality, just quantity. You can watch 3 different shows about couples "so in love" Oh wait, they all have or will be divorced! You get my point. Just because it is on doesn't make it worth watching.

Anyway, If you like it then it is fine by me. Lots of people do. But because F1 is not on 24/7 means that it is sub-par? I'm not sure if that is what you are trying to say or not. For me, I'll watch F1 every now and then before I'll watch a pickup truck go around in circles every weekend. That is just my taste though.

RobertCTS
08-16-06, 03:32 PM
So what? MTV, or so I'm told will show all the trash viewers expect to see. None of it quality, just quantity. You can watch 3 different shows about couples "so in love" Oh wait, they all have or will be divorced! You get my point. Just because it is on doesn't make it worth watching.

Anyway, If you like it then it is fine by me. Lots of people do. But because F1 is not on 24/7 means that it is sub-par? I'm not sure if that is what you are trying to say or not. For me, I'll watch F1 every now and then before I'll watch a pickup truck go around in circles every weekend. That is just my taste though.

MTV vs. NASCAR!! Desperate dialogue.

Debate is over..I win!!!:bouncy: :D

TagApl4
08-16-06, 03:51 PM
I can watch NASCAR about as long as I can watch my signature

Elvis
08-16-06, 04:20 PM
It's primarily an American sport. There's not much overseas interest in it. Like I said, soccer vs. the NFL.

I prefer the NFL any day, but I'll acknowledge that I'm biased and Americans don't even make up 5% of the entire world population.

DBA-One
08-16-06, 04:37 PM
MTV vs. NASCAR!! Desperate dialogue.

Debate is over..I win!!!:bouncy: :D

Only to those who don't know any better:horse:

HotRodSaint
08-16-06, 05:46 PM
Most watched sporting events 2004
7. Formula One: Monaco Grand Prix 59 million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_watched_sporting_events_in_2004)

Highest paid athletes 2004
2. Michael Schumacher $80million (http://www.forbes.com/athletes2004/rank.html?passListId=2&passYear=2004&passListType=Person&searchParameter1=unset&searchParameter2=unset&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=%252Bnumberfield1%252C%252Bs tringfield2&resultsSortCategoryName=Rank&passKeyword=&category1=Category&category2=Category)

RedGalant2k1
08-16-06, 07:12 PM
Most watched sporting events 2004
7. Formula One: Monaco Grand Prix 59 million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_watched_sporting_events_in_2004)

Highest paid athletes 2004
2. Michael Schumacher $80million (http://www.forbes.com/athletes2004/rank.html?passListId=2&passYear=2004&passListType=Person&searchParameter1=unset&searchParameter2=unset&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=%252Bnumberfield1%252C%252Bs tringfield2&resultsSortCategoryName=Rank&passKeyword=&category1=Category&category2=Category)

Maybe its just me, but it looks like basketball and baseball players are way over paid. I can give more agreement to people who are racecar drivers whether it be NASCAR or F1. Thats a little bit more dangerous than Basketball or Baseball, especially at the professional level.

Fun debate, but F1 owns all!!

RobertCTS
08-16-06, 07:37 PM
Most watched sporting events 2004
7. Formula One: Monaco Grand Prix 59 million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_watched_sporting_events_in_2004)

Highest paid athletes 2004
2. Michael Schumacher $80million (http://www.forbes.com/athletes2004/rank.html?passListId=2&passYear=2004&passListType=Person&searchParameter1=unset&searchParameter2=unset&resultsStart=1&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=%252Bnumberfield1%252C%252Bs tringfield2&resultsSortCategoryName=Rank&passKeyword=&category1=Category&category2=Category)

Wow, I thought 250,000 spectators was a record. Who woulda thought you coulda got 59,000,000 to attend!!!

RedGalant2k1
08-16-06, 08:03 PM
Wow, I thought 250,000 spectators was a record. Who woulda thought you coulda got 59,000,000 to attend!!!

Well... the racetracks for F1 are longer, considerably longer.

HotRodSaint
08-17-06, 12:29 AM
Wow, I thought 250,000 spectators was a record. Who woulda thought you coulda got 59,000,000 to attend!!!

The modern miracle of television.

I don't think Villeneuve, Montoya and Danica combined would be enough to get 59 million people to watch the Daytona 500.

And don't get me wrong, I've been to NASCAR races in Daytona, Charlotte, Taladega, Bristol and California Speedway. I've also seen F1 at Long Beach (as a kid), Monza and Suzuka.

RobertCTS
08-17-06, 06:01 AM
Well... the racetracks for F1 are longer, considerably longer.

If 250,000 fills the biggest NASCAR stadium, How big would it have to be to seat 59 million? You can do the math. Actually we know that 59 million at the track is bogus. You guys can quit now. I won!:bouncy: :excited: :rolling:

RedGalant2k1
08-17-06, 09:41 AM
If 250,000 fills the biggest NASCAR stadium, How big would it have to be to seat 59 million? You can do the math. Actually we know that 59 million at the track is bogus. You guys can quit now. I won!:bouncy: :excited: :rolling:

Well ofcourse 59 million couldn't attend a race.

Btw, how much horsepower per liter do NASCAR cars make?

I know F1 is somewhere over 300hp per liter.

Elvis
08-17-06, 10:29 AM
Well ofcourse 59 million couldn't attend a race.

Btw, how much horsepower per liter do NASCAR cars make?

I know F1 is somewhere over 300hp per liter.

You gotta be careful with those comparisons. Bubba don't know nothing about liters, unless you're talking about his 400-lb. wife's diet Coke.

Real engines are measured in cubic inches, son. :want:


;)

HotRodSaint
08-17-06, 08:14 PM
You gotta be careful with those comparisons. Bubba don't know nothing about liters, unless you're talking about his 400-lb. wife's diet Coke.

Real engines are measured in cubic inches, son. :want:


;)

Are you saying that my 5.7litre LT1 is really a 350ci Chevy small block?! :eek:

Well at least mine has something that Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt, Jr. don't...FUEL INJECTION!!!! :highfive:

RedGalant2k1
08-17-06, 09:40 PM
You gotta be careful with those comparisons. Bubba don't know nothing about liters, unless you're talking about his 400-lb. wife's diet Coke.

Real engines are measured in cubic inches, son. :want:


;)

Even if they are slower eh?

Stoneage_Caddy
08-18-06, 12:18 AM
I think Montyoa said it best as he left F1 "i wanna get back to RACING"
Bernie Eccelestone has done a very good job running F1 intot he ground...almost as good a job as Tony George did runining american open wheel racing ....

Who woulda thought the Indy 500 would be ran with not a singe american engine in the feild ...The only american car on the track was the vette pace car ....

For me ...its IMSA all the way ....but i will drop everything when borris said and robbie gordon are in stock cars on a road coarse ...other then that i can live without the 3 hour commerical that has become nascrap

RobertCTS
08-18-06, 09:33 AM
Actually the Chevy small blocks are running a handicap using Carbs instead of FI but they still manage to get 800HP with pushrod engine. Jeff Gordon when he recently drove a F1 racer said the car is so computerized that not a lot is left for the driver. You definetly have more in control of your car in the CUP series.

RedGalant2k1
08-20-06, 09:27 AM
Actually the Chevy small blocks are running a handicap using Carbs instead of FI but they still manage to get 800HP with pushrod engine. Jeff Gordon when he recently drove a F1 racer said the car is so computerized that not a lot is left for the driver. You definetly have more in control of your car in the CUP series.

Except for the driver to drive the car to (and in some cases) past its limits.

RobertCTS
08-20-06, 12:28 PM
Except for the driver to drive the car to (and in some cases) past its limits.

I see that every weekend when a race car crashes all by itself. One Driver had a bit of witt when he said he broke something.....Traction!!

RobertCTS
08-21-06, 09:00 AM
I watched the NASCAR Cup and Bush races in Michigan this weekend. For those that thought 200mph+ was only for Formula 1 should have watched and seen it happen for yourself. ZOOM Zoom!!:D

70eldo
08-21-06, 09:25 AM
Still pretty amazing how they squeeze 700+ HP out of a 1.5 Liter (91.5 cu) engine, without turbo!

RobertCTS
08-21-06, 12:56 PM
Still pretty amazing how they squeeze 700+ HP out of a 1.5 Liter (91.5 cu) engine, without turbo!

Yep and with zero torque:)

RobertCTS
08-21-06, 01:01 PM
For me ...its IMSA all the way ....but i will drop everything when borris said and robbie gordon are in stock cars on a road coarse ...other then that i can live without the 3 hour commerical that has become nascrap

How about Scott Pruett? Papis tried a Cup car a couple of weeks ago at the Glenn road course but performed miseralbly. I though he would do better after his experiences in the CTS-VR GT cars. Pruett has a gazillion miles behind the Corvette and has done a fair job on the NASCAR road courses.
I wonder how Pilgrim would do?:hmm:

70eldo
08-22-06, 10:55 AM
Yep and with zero torque:)

It also weighs close to zero... :)

gary88
08-22-06, 06:47 PM
Still pretty amazing how they squeeze 700+ HP out of a 1.5 Liter (91.5 cu) engine, without turbo!

I thought they used 2.4L V8s now?

RedGalant2k1
08-22-06, 06:59 PM
I thought they used 2.4L V8s now?

That is correct.

For 2006+ 2.4L V8s are required by larger teams like Ferrari. Smaller teams may use a detuned V10 until they develop a viable V8 engine.

HotRodSaint
08-22-06, 07:11 PM
It also weighs close to zero... :)

So do their drivers...:bouncy: