Hey guys, I was hot at the poker tables this week on pokerstars.com. Anyways, Jeremy Formato - supposedly a very well known LS tuner - is coming into town and is charging 500 for a full dyno tune. He said hed spend about an hour to two hours on the car. This includes dyno. Otherwise Ill consider going the Stealth V route. It just seems like maybe Jeremy can offer something more complete? only because he has the car, the dyno , real conditions. I mean am I wrong? Please someone who knows of Formato, advise me what to do.

Jeremy spending an hour or two on your V for $500 is a no brainer. :thumbsup:

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Are you being serious. Can you tell me why I should go this route as opposed to getting your tune, if you dont mind? I understand many members have gone Stealth V tune route. 500 seems like alot on my student salary. How much gain will i see in hp and tq over my current diablosport predator wil I see? Like is doing this better than keeping the predator and instead saving up for headers and a cam eventually? Or will I need to scrap the predator anyways??? Thanks so much man.

It sounds like a good idea. I don't follow Jeremy's work but I have read his name enough to say that he is capable. And nothing against Stealth V, but a capable tuner and a dyno is an unbeatable combo. And since you have a blower any dyno tuner would charge $400-500.

no blower here.

oh my bad, I read magnaflow and mistook it for magnacharger. I wouldn't waste my money in this case. Don't know what the Predator is doing for you, but $500 is too high, wait til you have more mods.

Search the internet for a reputible LSx tuner in or around your area. I doubt they charge any more than Stealth V does and it's always better to dyno tune. That is, if the tuner is good. I got my car dyno tuned for $300 and it would barely run when I took it there. Not only that but this shop only charges the full price the first time. For instance, if I go back to dial in my header swap, its only $80 more bucks, heads and cam swap another $150. Which is pretty cool.

but a capable tuner and a dyno is an unbeatable combo.


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You're gonna need more than a 'difference of opinion' flame suit. It doesn't matter how good a mail order tune is, because it's still a mail order tune. If every car was the exact same, then maybe. But I'm sure you've seen some of the dynos on this board be anywhere from 320ish to 340ish on a stock LS6. Even if we say that half of that is difference of dynos, that still leaves 10hp difference just because of the tolerance levels at the factory. Then add the fact that everybody runs a different exhaust setup, intake, etc... and there is no way that you can maximize every combo. Where as on a dyno you can do everything that any mail order has to offer but you can actually see whats happening and adjust accordingly.

Now on a nearly stock V the difference between the two may be negligible, but once it goes past that point of modification they can only get further apart.

I also want to point out that I'm not talking about Joe Schmoe that the street that just bought his dyno last month compared to someone who has actually done there reasearch, Stealth V for instance. I'm talking about people who know there stuff on both sides.

Edit: Let me add this before someone else gets offended. I'm not saying not to pay for Stealth V's services, he has went beyond what most would on this car, because he owns one and obviously has done his homework on it. I'm sure the drivabilty in his tune along with other small changes, that aren't associated with adding WOT power, are second to none. Other tuners aren't going to offer these things, not unless you have money to burn. That's not at all what I'm talking about in this thread. The original poster wanted to know about a dyno tune and the other goofball:thumbsup: just clear his throat and didn't really specify what his disagreement was.

Jon

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Your opinion on this sort of loses validity when the mail order tuner tells the guy it is a no brainer.

Just my opinion.

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There is absolutely no question that a dyno tune is the best thing for your V. Rick is FANTASTIC when it comes to your V, but I think that having your car strapped down on the dyno giving you real feedback is best. I trust Rick w/o a doubt, even he suggests to dyno it. FWIW, Im not sure who Jeremy is, but youre gonna spend 250-400 bux on a decent tune anyway. Step up and spend the dough...your V will be smiling.


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it's general debate etiquette to let the wrong person go first.. The only way I can see how a dyno run, based on the one that I had done to my car, (if you have had one done to your car please regale us with your experience(s)), I don't see the value on the street or the track (and please regale us with your experience(s) as well) to put it in 4th gear and go WOT to red line. I don't travel in this mode very often. Maybe only goofballs like me use all 6 gears.

Ideally for me, to buy into this mode would be for a loading dyno to simulate real world experience or better yet ride along with me in my car in some real world event(s). If this is normal procedure and the place I took mine to did not, please let us all know where these types of dyno tuners are located and I'll be first to go, otherwise I see no value in 4th gear WOT.

I could agree with you Jr., but then we'd both be wrong.

OK, best case scenario. StealthV gets your V and tunes it on the dyno and on the road.

Shaddup, game over, go home! Lock this thread!

$500 for a dyno tune is a reasonable amount & is *DEFINITELY* worth it. There aren't too many mods that yield the bang-for-your-buck benefit of a good tune, blower or not.

Dennis is 100% correct that *IF* they only did a WOT tune, that would probably be lacking. In all honesty, I'd be surprised if they did that, but, then again, I'm used to a "full-blown" tune, say like from A&A, L.A.P.D, AZ Power & Sound, etc.

Hey guys, I was hot at the poker tables this week on pokerstars.com. Anyways, Jeremy Formato - supposedly a very well known LS tuner - is coming into town and is charging 500 for a full dyno tune. He said hed spend about an hour to two hours on the car. This includes dyno. Otherwise Ill consider going the Stealth V route. It just seems like maybe Jeremy can offer something more complete? only because he has the car, the dyno , real conditions. I mean am I wrong? Please someone who knows of Formato, advise me what to do.
got my cpu back frome stealth,in am very happy whit it,beford i it 329 rwhp,after i it 368 rwhp,on the dyno,my afr is perfect,i plane to super charge it in trust me it going back there for the new tune,in if i got problem whit the tune i know were to find rick for help !!!

Okay my turn. For those of you that actually read my post about L.A.P.D. tuning my 2006 V about a week and a half ago I STATED that the factory tune was fat/ rich from the start. They L.A.P.D. didn't just do a WOT tune on my car. Where did it say in his post that Fortunato was doing a WOT tuning only? This is my second dyno run with the same car on the same dyno after tuning albeit with a 23 degree difference in runs. For those that have had a tuning by dyno and stayed there to watch the amount of time and effort done on the car it is worth it!

Not only do they go through the fuel tables and correct it but they also tune your car for your driving habits and request. Doug, who is the tuner at (L.A.P.D.) took his laptop and connected it to my car and then drove the car around and corrected drivability problems first. How many of you have the problem of the revs slowly coming back down when you are slowing down to a stop? That problem alone was fixed with the "dyno tune". It took me the better part of over 5 hours before I got my car back to me. And when I did get it back he did ride with along with me with the laptop still attached to correct any problems that might still be there. Now that's service beyond what most would ever receive in my book.

A good dyno tune is priceless from what we have seen how the factory calibration on some of the CTS-Vs have been. All of them are pig rich and they run very rough, but you won't notice how rough the car runs until you get the car a good dyno tune.

Even a bone stock CTS-V has potential of being a smoother, more efficient better performing car. It isn't always about the max values after a dyno run, but how the car makes the power and how smooth it makes the power. The throttle response is crisp and there isn't that lag that you get out of first once the car is tuned. Instead of the car bogging in the higher gears, the car feels more powerful and more responsive all the way around.

If you are used to driving a CTS-V still equipped with the factory calibration and then you get a good complete dyno tune, you will notice the difference in the car's performance right away.

It is worth every penny and the car's almost always get better gas mileage after a dyno tune.

Shawn

will it be significantly more power all over the curve then my current diablosport predator?

will it be significantly more power all over the curve then my current diablosport predator?

04CTSVFLA,

We think that a good dyno tune that is custom done for your vehicle is the best way to go. No hand held programmer comes close. They are just generic tunes and don't take into account your particular mods. They are done for stock vehicles mainly and since no two GM vehicles are alike in the way they run from the factory, it is kind of pointless.

The hand held programmers are very limited on what they can do and that is what keeps you from making good smooth efficient power. They may help a bit and you may think you picked up some power, but a lot of the times, we will dyno the car before and after for someone that has a generic tune from an aftermarket hand held programmer and they actually LOST power over their factory calibration.

Shawn

OK, best case scenario. StealthV gets your V and tunes it on the dyno and on the road.

Shaddup, game over, go home! Lock this thread!

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It isn't always about the max values after a dyno run, but how the car makes the power and how smooth it makes the power. The throttle response is crisp and there isn't that lag that you get out of first once the car is tuned. Instead of the car bogging in the higher gears, the car feels more powerful and more responsive all the way around.

If you are used to driving a CTS-V still equipped with the factory calibration and then you get a good complete dyno tune, you will notice the difference in the car's performance right away.

It is worth every penny and the car's almost always get better gas mileage after a dyno tune.

Shawn
Shawn,
Well said, could not agree more..:thumbsup:

There is absolutely no question that a dyno tune is the best thing for your V. Rick is FANTASTIC when it comes to your V, but I think that having your car strapped down on the dyno giving you real feedback is best. I trust Rick w/o a doubt, even he suggests to dyno it. FWIW, Im not sure who Jeremy is, but youre gonna spend 250-400 bux on a decent tune anyway. Step up and spend the dough...your V will be smiling.


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