: Detector?



strat thang
07-25-06, 09:09 AM
Hi All,

I was driving to work this morning and thinking how any Caddy driver that is serious about driving their N* has a radar detector. I use mine all the time. I put 2500 miles a month on my ride and the Whistler I have has saved me many encounters with Johnny Law. My 98 Deville LOVES to get up and breathe at around 85-88 mph.
How many of you use a detector?

JCM1
07-25-06, 09:54 AM
I also use a detector, a Whistler 1783. I considered one of the more expensive ones such as the Passport or Valentine but, a friend of mine told me it wansn't worth it. The Whistler works great and I've been saved several times due to it's performance. Not sure if the others would have been any better but, I am happy with the Whistler.

tinman
07-25-06, 10:45 AM
I live by my V-1.

DLE
07-25-06, 10:53 AM
I live by my V-1 too. :thumbsup:

My wife uses the Passport 8500 X50, and she's happy with that too.

thebigjimsho
07-25-06, 11:18 AM
I also use a detector, a Whistler 1783. I considered one of the more expensive ones such as the Passport or Valentine but, a friend of mine told me it wansn't worth it. The Whistler works great and I've been saved several times due to it's performance. Not sure if the others would have been any better but, I am happy with the Whistler.Get new friends. V1.

gary88
07-25-06, 12:00 PM
I used to have a V-1, I wish I never sold it :banghead: It's worth every single penny.

EcSTSatic
07-25-06, 12:28 PM
Hi All,

I was driving to work this morning and thinking how any Caddy driver that is serious about driving their N* has a radar detector. I use mine all the time. I put 2500 miles a month on my ride and the Whistler I have has saved me many encounters with Johnny Law. My 98 Deville LOVES to get up and breathe at around 85-88 mph.
How many of you use a detector?

You don't need a radar detector to be serious about driving your N*. If you want to play games with smokie, it's your choice.
Interesting stuff from the IIHS (http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/speed_limits.html)

Elvis
07-25-06, 01:58 PM
The Radio Shack models never let me down. I've bought three for less than what a Valentine would cost.

But then again, I haven't had a ticket in over 20 years. I don't even use a radar detector anymore.

itsabughunt
07-25-06, 03:00 PM
You don't need a radar detector to be serious about driving your N*. If you want to play games with smokie, it's your choice.
Interesting stuff from the IIHS (http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/speed_limits.html)
Interesting website. I have to say that some of the worst speeders I see drive police cars. And no, I don't mean with lights/siren running on the way to a call.

EcSTSatic
07-25-06, 03:05 PM
I notice that too. They aren't the role models they could be.

Elvis
07-25-06, 03:13 PM
Don't get in the way of a man and his donut. :tisk:

blunted
07-25-06, 04:03 PM
Valentine 1

.. not cheap but with radar detectors you tend to get what u pay for. I rather shell it out once then get a cheap one and have a false sense of security.

Do a search.. this topic already got beat to death.

:horse:

codewize
07-25-06, 06:19 PM
Are you kidding me? Law enforcement is the biggest offenders of the law, period. Cops are so crooked it's not funny. This is not to start a war about "I know a cop and he's bla bla bla." I know lots of cops. I also know that in the 14 years I was in the Drywall business the only time I got screwed for money was by a cop THAT I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH no less. The jerkoff probably still doesn't know that I have a lean on his house.

If you're a cop you're on a power trip and want to flaunt it. Every time I say that someone pipes up to say 'Oh well you must of had a bad experience.' Not the case, just look around. You said it right here. Cops speed all the time for no reason, I've seen them throw the lights just to blow a red light several times. They're just crooked crooked crooked. All of them.

Remember the song F*ck the police. Yup that's me.



I notice that too. They aren't the role models they could be.

Florian
07-25-06, 09:20 PM
V1...no tix in 10 years. Your friends are cheap douchebags.


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Caddy Man
07-25-06, 10:06 PM
See there are bad people in all professions...the only problem is police have a HUGE amount of authority. I mean police officers are allowed to legally take someones life. No job...not even the president has that amount of power, to deprive you of life. Police have disrection to give a warning, or make a whole bunch of legal crap and fines you must deal with and overall police have a lot of of public trust that comes with the badge. So when there are bad cops...it becomes a way bigger problem than if your plumber is a jerk.


On a side note...I dont use a radar. I simply dont speed above 5 over (10 over on freeway). Solves my problem right there. Do the math sometime and you will find, speeding is just NOT worth it unless your gonna be driving for several hours.

Rolex
07-25-06, 10:33 PM
Valentine V1 and Escort Passport 8500 X50 get the very best reviews from the people who "know" detectors.

I bought the Escort because it's $100 less expensive, and I figured the only thing I was losing was the directional arrow thingy that the V1 has. The arrows seemed pointless tp me, because no matter what the direction of the radar I'm going to tap the brakes and slow down.

tstach
07-26-06, 08:48 AM
V1 for 4 years. Love it.

Blown Z
07-26-06, 09:33 AM
I have a V1 and I absolutely love it. The arrows rock and laser sensitivity is the best. It's the Cadillac of radar detectors :D

codewize
07-26-06, 09:37 AM
This is also a fact. Someone once told me that your average highway speed is almost always around 60. Check it out some time, it's pretty close. And you all know that the guy you went whizzing past is always sitting at the light or toll booth next to you. Whenever you claculate a road trip, do it based on 60 mph and you'll be pretty darn close.

Speeding really doesn't pay, yes I know it's fun but it doesn't pay.

This topic gives me good reason to write that speeding conversion chart I've always wanted to. This will be a chart showing your allowable speed overages based on the vehicle you're driving. Another crookedness in the law.



On a side note...I dont use a radar. I simply dont speed above 5 over (10 over on freeway). Solves my problem right there. Do the math sometime and you will find, speeding is just NOT worth it unless your gonna be driving for several hours.

thebigjimsho
07-26-06, 10:15 AM
As someone who speeds constantly(10-25 over) and works on the road where time is critical, I can say quite honestly that speeding pays. And pays well. Just this morning I was behind a fellow chauffeur. He made it through a light that I didn't. 5 of the next 7 lights I got to were red. After getting to the airport, I caught up with him. He got there 4 minutes ahead of me. Your theory is invalid. It may seem the "speeder" never gets ahead. That's just inaccurate.

codewize
07-26-06, 10:36 AM
Yes, that can happen too. I guess I was more so referring to hi-way driving. I certainly see and have experienced your point in the city or around town. Not many of those scenarios around where I live but I have said the same thing many times.

And if your going to be ion the hi-way for two hour and you can manage to maintain 10 miles over or something there may be some benefit. It's certainly not worth a ticket or the few minutes you're going to save, if any. Don't get me wrong, my threshold is 7 over on the hi-way. 10 over and I'm feeling like I should slow down. Not for me but because I don't want to be busted.

:burn:


As someone who speeds constantly(10-25 over) and works on the road where time is critical, I can say quite honestly that speeding pays. And pays well. Just this morning I was behind a fellow chauffeur. He made it through a light that I didn't. 5 of the next 7 lights I got to were red. After getting to the airport, I caught up with him. He got there 4 minutes ahead of me. Your theory is invalid. It may seem the "speeder" never gets ahead. That's just inaccurate.

EcSTSatic
07-26-06, 11:09 AM
A whole 4 minutes sooner? How much more gas do you waste driving that fast to get somewhere 4 minutes sooner? If you got one ticket it would set you back significantly.
Even if you don't get caught, speeding in in-city driving just does not pay. The lights see to that.

Elvis
07-26-06, 12:37 PM
As someone who speeds constantly(10-25 over) and works on the road where time is critical, I can say quite honestly that speeding pays. And pays well. Just this morning I was behind a fellow chauffeur. He made it through a light that I didn't. 5 of the next 7 lights I got to were red. After getting to the airport, I caught up with him. He got there 4 minutes ahead of me. Your theory is invalid. It may seem the "speeder" never gets ahead. That's just inaccurate.

I had a job like that once. Coincidentally I got two huge tickets in the last three months of 1985. With a radar detector. It all caught up with me and I probably ended up paying back anything extra I would have made.

itsabughunt
07-26-06, 01:09 PM
See there are bad people in all professions...the only problem is police have a HUGE amount of authority. I mean police officers are allowed to legally take someones life. No job...not even the president has that amount of power, to deprive you of life. Police have disrection to give a warning, or make a whole bunch of legal crap and fines you must deal with and overall police have a lot of of public trust that comes with the badge. So when there are bad cops...it becomes a way bigger problem than if your plumber is a jerk.


On a side note...I dont use a radar. I simply dont speed above 5 over (10 over on freeway). Solves my problem right there. Do the math sometime and you will find, speeding is just NOT worth it unless your gonna be driving for several hours. OK, some of your points have some merit but lets not be hysterical. ANYONE can take anothers life if its in self-defense. The specifics might vary from one jurisdiction to the next, but you get my point. In fact many places allow you to take a life to protect someone elses life as well. As to the president, lets remember that presidents send troops off to combat all the time. Hell, they probably have more power to cause death than anyone else in our culture. They are also bound to be more power-hungry than any police officer you've ever met. Just had to bring a couple reality checks here. Not every cop is motivated by sheer power. A great many are simply hard-core believers in "law and order". Others actually are motivated to be a cop out of a desire to help people. Lets not use too wide of a brush now.

itsabughunt
07-26-06, 01:15 PM
Just this morning I was behind a fellow chauffeur. He made it through a light that I didn't. 5 of the next 7 lights I got to were red. After getting to the airport, I caught up with him. He got there 4 minutes ahead of me.Your point about speeding pays is more valid with highway driving. Stop lights tend to average out peoples speed. As often as that chauffeur would be ahead he would also be held back by lights. You might also want to factor in increased brake wear and gas lost to highly fluctuating speeds between lights.

thebigjimsho
07-26-06, 02:01 PM
OK, you're not getting this. Myself and this driver drive similarly. We both were doing about 40 in a 35. We had passed a couple cars on a 4 lane road. He had gone just fast enough to get about 2 car lengths in front of me. That was the difference in him making it and myself not. That one light meant 4 minutes. The couple cars I had passed did catch up but they fell behind 3 lights later when they didn't make it.

As for speeding is wrong in the city...relax. I only do what my surroundings allow me to. See, here's the problem. Speed doesn't kill. Ignorant and inattentive driving is what does. I don't tailgate, I don't swerve, I don't do 80 if I can't do so without a great enough margin for error.

But don't tell me it's dangerous to do 80 in a 55 if there's noone on the road at 5 AM. The whole speed kills mantra is a farse. I haven't seen a death on the highways that doesn't involve drinking, reckless triple-digit speeding or just plain sheer inattentive stupidity.

My accident record is perfect since the day I got my license 16 1/2 years ago. I have been stopped, but I haven't been found guilty of a speeding ticket in 5 years. And I won't for a while. Bet on it.

thebigjimsho
07-26-06, 02:06 PM
Your point about speeding pays is more valid with highway driving. Stop lights tend to average out peoples speed. As often as that chauffeur would be ahead he would also be held back by lights. You might also want to factor in increased brake wear and gas lost to highly fluctuating speeds between lights.Yes, pad life and gas consumption are affected. But pads on a Town Car are good for close to 100,000 miles. At $30 a set...

As for gas, a steady foot will keep that down. The only extra gas is what's needed to get to the extra 5-10mph. You'd be surprised how little the difference is at a steady state.

Caddy Man
07-26-06, 03:15 PM
As someone who speeds constantly(10-25 over) and works on the road where time is critical, I can say quite honestly that speeding pays. And pays well. Just this morning I was behind a fellow chauffeur. He made it through a light that I didn't. 5 of the next 7 lights I got to were red. After getting to the airport, I caught up with him. He got there 4 minutes ahead of me. Your theory is invalid. It may seem the "speeder" never gets ahead. That's just inaccurate.
I should have clarified...I meant speeding on the highway since this is what the topic started about. You take a 40 minutes trip, speed abotu 15 over and you get to a final destination in what? 1 minute sooner? Speeding on surface streets makes a bit more sense, because if you can avoid a red light whenever there is a traffic light, you save like 1 minute 30 seconds each time. I hate drivers who drive really slow on surface streets, they dont understand the concept of ''beating the light'', thats where you really save time.

EcSTSatic
07-26-06, 04:00 PM
You guys do realize that most city lights are timed so that if you drive the limit you should get a green as you approach the next one right? Speeding makes no sense, ultimately what you get are people running red lights.

thebigjimsho
07-26-06, 04:25 PM
You guys do realize that most city lights are timed so that if you drive the limit you should get a green as you approach the next one right? Speeding makes no sense, ultimately what you get are people running red lights.Not the ones I see. It's usually a rarity that I see lights running in a pattern. And I have no problem stepping on the brakes a tiny bit harder to slow down my extra speed. Red lights are not a problem.

Caddy Man
07-26-06, 05:04 PM
You guys do realize that most city lights are timed so that if you drive the limit you should get a green as you approach the next one right? Speeding makes no sense, ultimately what you get are people running red lights.
I wouldnt say most...but some around here are timed. For example Telegraph Rd. (US-24) which runs from Toledo OH to about Pontiac Michigan, if you drive at 45 constantly, you should hit all the greens.

Elvis
07-26-06, 05:10 PM
A 240-mile trip would take you three hours at 80, four hours at 60.

I'd say that's worth it. But otherwise I wouldn't bother.

codewize
07-26-06, 05:32 PM
If and only if you could maintain 80 the WHOLE distance, which you can't. SO for the 3 minutes that you're locked down to 60 blows the whole thing out of the water. That was my point with the average speed being 60 comment. Trust me. If you do a 240 mile trip and drive like a maniac, do the math being honest about times, and you will find that your average speed wasn't much above 60

thebigjimsho
07-26-06, 06:24 PM
If and only if you could maintain 80 the WHOLE distance, which you can't. SO for the 3 minutes that you're locked down to 60 blows the whole thing out of the water. That was my point with the average speed being 60 comment. Trust me. If you do a 240 mile trip and drive like a maniac, do the math being honest about times, and you will find that your average speed wasn't much above 60I'm having a hard time finding any logic in your calculations. If it takes 3 hours to go 240 miles at 80mph, but for 3 minutes you have to travel at 60mph, then that means you traveled 3 miles in that time instead of 4. So the extra time to make up that lost mile at 80mph is 40 seconds. So total travel time of 3:00:40

What is this magical 60mph you keep talking about?

2 years ago, my brother and I left the Grand Canyon and we had dinner plans with a friend in Tulsa. We drove fast, but very comfortable for the surroundings. Most of the time, we did 85. We made quick stops and made the 1100 mile journey in 14 hours. Left GC at 4:30 local time and got to Tulsa at 8:30 CST. A cool 78.5mph average.

thebigjimsho
07-26-06, 06:40 PM
Are you talking about sitting at tolls for 3 minutes? Let's do some more math.

240 miles at 80mph = 3 hours.

240 miles at 60mph = 4 hours.

Then we have to sit at a toll both for 3 minutes. So you have a total drive time of 3:03:00. Then you proceed again at 80mph. Your average speed will be 78.69mph. Well above that magic 60.

As for upstate NY, I go to Buffalo at least once a year. From north of Boston it's 450 miles. With one stop for gas I did it in 5 1/2 hours. Usually it takes 6 to 6 1/2 with food stops. That may take me down into the high 60s for an average but the twinks who do 65 will have an average well below that if they make the same stops.

So, again, where is this magic 60?

thebigjimsho
07-26-06, 06:42 PM
Oh, and EZ Pass is a wonderful thing.

codewize
07-26-06, 07:30 PM
Yes EZ Pass is a great thing. I guess when you're talking about driving 85 it doesn't hold true very well. ?? And the 3 minute reference was an example. That's going to happen a lot more than 3 minutes on a 240 journey.

I don't know, like I said at higher speeds it doesnt hold true but do you feel safe from tickets at 85? I don't.

Elvis
07-26-06, 09:50 PM
Maintaining 80 for three hours isn't that unrealistic. Doing 60 for three minutes might bring your average down to 78.

I haven't done 4th grade math in a long time, please don't ask me to go there!

But I don't speed like that anymore, so it really doesn't matter to me.

You guys are young. You have all the time in the world. Use it!

I'm the old one, I should be breaking my neck to save every minute!

codewize
07-26-06, 10:14 PM
Ok ok I backed off the 60 thing but Elvis, you should know that I'm as old as you are. :) Well just about.

thebigjimsho
07-26-06, 10:41 PM
Well, I'm not old like you geezers(:highfive: ), but I ain't no spring chicken either...

Blown Z
07-27-06, 12:26 AM
Ummmm, so what about the radar detectors? :P

Blown Z
07-27-06, 12:27 AM
Ummmm, so what about radar detectors? :confused:

tinman
07-27-06, 07:05 AM
I wouldnt say most...but some around here are timed. For example Telegraph Rd. (US-24) which runs from Toledo OH to about Pontiac Michigan, if you drive at 45 constantly, you should hit all the greens.

I don't think I ever drove Telegraph at 45!

ShadowLvr400
07-27-06, 09:32 PM
Valentine 1, love mine.