: 10 best engines, N* not 2 b found



hardley-etc
06-30-06, 07:57 AM
And the 10 best engine list came out

http://technoride.com/slideshow/Wards+Autoworld+10+Best+Engines/181709_0.aspx

at least a few american engines made the list

dp102288
06-30-06, 09:52 AM
Doesn't that list only cover newly introduced engines anyway?

Wait...what's this?

Nissan 298-hp V6 & Toyota 306-hp V6

Damn, most N* make less! WTF!!!!!

EDBSO
06-30-06, 10:52 AM
I loved the first generation Yahama SHO 3L 220 hp. http://home.pacbell.net/jgrubbs4/Engine1.jpg

mtflight
06-30-06, 12:46 PM
Doesn't that list only cover newly introduced engines anyway?

Wait...what's this?

Nissan 298-hp V6 & Toyota 306-hp V6

Damn, most N* make less! WTF!!!!!

The Northstar is still a great engine, but it uses that technology from the 90s when it was indeed in the Ward's list. Today many companies are following the footsteps and introducing overhead cams with multiple valves is not news anymore (N* was the first american V8 with DOHC and 32v).

It's a small V8 with a lot of punch per cubic inch. Other engines like the Hemi are larger displacement so less punch per cubic inch, but greater output overall (cubic inches win). Were it not for the "displacement on demand" technology the fuel economy would not be as good as the Northstar due to the higher displacement.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-30-06, 12:52 PM
I (and many others) think the Hemi's overrated.

mtflight
06-30-06, 01:06 PM
I (and many others) think the Hemi's overrated.

It may very well be. But subjectivity apart, with the multiple displacement, the horsepower, and RWD platform... those 300Cs feel pretty powerful and agile (oops I guess this part is subjective). I had a 300 Limited rental for a few weeks, and it felt very agile and well balanced. It only had a 250hp V6. I can't imagine 350 hp on that... it must be great.

That said, I love my N*! It is more refined, due to the DOHC design vs. the pushrod Hemi.

EcSTSatic
06-30-06, 03:37 PM
How about the top 10 Vintage (http://vintagecars.about.com/od/historygreatmoments/tp/topten_engines.htm)engines?

eldorado1
06-30-06, 04:33 PM
The northstar only made ward's in 1997

GreenMachine
06-30-06, 04:49 PM
Doesn't that list only cover newly introduced engines anyway?

Wait...what's this?

Nissan 298-hp V6 & Toyota 306-hp V6

Damn, most N* make less! WTF!!!!!

I believe the Northstar makes more torque than those above mentioned engines. Plus it is in a FWD application and those are in RWD applications. They also rev really high which in turn gives them poor fuel economy for a V6 where as teh N* has good economy for an 8. Smoother ride etc etc. The FWD Northstar is ment to propel you around crisply and smoothly.

On the otherhand when the Northstar was moved to a RWD platform it was made more performance minded (but still reatians the smooth and crisp form it did in FWD) and given room to "breath" and such it was upped to 320hp and 310ft-lbs. That and the VVT help it along. Direct Injection in the future will give it even more power. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-30-06, 05:29 PM
It may very well be. But subjectivity apart, with the multiple displacement, the horsepower,

The Hemi makes like 345-390 hp depending on application right? The trusty old 5.7 LS1 made 325hp in the Z28's and Trans Ams, and it made up to 345 with SLP performance parts available from the factory. Eat that Hemi boy.
Bring back the 440 :)

Why didn't they have the Z06's 7.0 V8?! That's an amazing motor! LS7 right?

GreenMachine
06-30-06, 05:34 PM
The Hemi makes like 345-390 hp depending on application right? The trusty old 5.7 LS1 made 325hp in the Z28's and Trans Ams, and it made up to 345 with SLP performance parts available from the factory. Eat that Hemi boy.
Bring back the 440 :)

Why didn't they have the Z06's 7.0 V8?! That's an amazing motor! LS7 right?

In one section they mentioned a price cap on the engines. Might be that since the corvette has goten alitt more expensive than in past years its not there.

mtflight
06-30-06, 05:37 PM
The northstar only made ward's in 1997

as well as 1996 and in 1995--3 years total.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
06-30-06, 05:39 PM
The 3800 made Ward's list too, in the late '90s I believe.

96Fleetwood
06-30-06, 05:41 PM
Um... Hemi is no joke. My Dad has a 425 hp SRT-8 and a 325 hp LS1 Trans Am and the SRT-8 Charger will eat that WS6 up anyday despite weighing 650 lbs more :)

mtflight
06-30-06, 05:43 PM
Um... Hemi is no joke. My Dad has a 425 hp SRT-8

That's not the one on the Ward's list. The one on the list is the 5.7L, probably due to the displacement on demand (and more decent fuel economy=no guzzler tax on the 5.7).

The 425 horses on the 6.1 L Hemi must be awesome (at a cost of the EPA rating of 14/20 MPG, and consequently gas guzzler tax) --but it's a huge engine; then there's the more sophisticated 4.4L supercharged Northstar that is much, much smaller and produces 469hp.

mtflight
06-30-06, 05:44 PM
The 3800 made Ward's list too, in the late '90s I believe.

3800 II: 1997, 1996, 1995
3800: 1994

GreenMachine
06-30-06, 07:09 PM
Um... Hemi is no joke. My Dad has a 425 hp SRT-8 and a 325 hp LS1 Trans Am and the SRT-8 Charger will eat that WS6 up anyday despite weighing 650 lbs more :)

no kidding, not only 100 more HP but besides torque it's also from a differant era. :)

The new LS2 pumps out 400/400 and the LS7 doesn't receive the gas guzzler tax despite being a 427 :)

This is a debate is as old as time itself, the big 3 in detroit in the Horsepower wars. (although one could argue chrysler is a german company now.)

davesdeville
07-01-06, 07:54 AM
(N* was the first american V8 with DOHC and 32v).

Both the N* and Intech were introduced in 93...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-01-06, 02:20 PM
Both the N* and Intech were introduced in 93...


I've always wondered why the N* got all the attention when the Intech came out the same year. Wierd. Was the N* introduced earlier in 1992?

96Fleetwood, of course it'll beat the Z28, it's got 100hp more. :)
But between the LS1 and the 5.7 Hemi...

black93sts
07-01-06, 04:43 PM
Didn't the Allante's get the N* a year earlier, in 92? Or am I way off here...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-01-06, 04:48 PM
No, I don't think so. But Cadillac and Lincoln would have advertised their new "state of the art" DOHC 32 Valve V8's as soon as they could, and I'm guessing that they started that midyear 1992.

GreenMachine
07-01-06, 05:41 PM
Northstar did more than introduce a new engine, but instead a whole system, hence the name Northstar System.

mtflight
07-02-06, 12:24 PM
Both the N* and Intech were introduced in 93...

The N* was introduced in mid 1992 for the 1993 Allanté, but who's to say that a similar arrangement was not the case for the mod motor in the Lincoln Mark VIII; however, Wikipedia states the Ford engine went into production in 1993. It was well known that both rivals were working on the 32v engines concurrently.

I'm not sure if the Ford motor had the steering, suspension, braking, etc. technology as the N* system as GreenMachine stated.

Luey357
07-04-06, 01:48 PM
IMO, the 2003+ Ford "cobra" engine has to be one of the best(the ones with the lame supercharger, take it off). With aluminum block, forged steel crank, DOHC, Manly rods, and forged pistons.
I know guys that put on twin turbos and make 1000hp, with no other changes, except fuel.

I wish I had one....

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-04-06, 04:25 PM
Will all the mods for the Ford "Intech" motor motor used in the VIII and Cobra work for the FWD Intech they use in the Continental? Someone that had a '95 Continental told me they could bolt the aftermarket "cobra" supercharger to their FWD Continental...I kinda doubt that though.

eldorado1
07-05-06, 01:44 PM
The LT-5, 32 valve V8 came out in 1990(?)

0to60n4.5
07-05-06, 09:18 PM
LT-5 was in the ZR1 vette from 90 thru 95 and was definetly ahead of its time in 90..... 375 hp thru 405 with the last ones .......But price was way ahead of the times in 90 also.

The LC-2 Turbo (3.8 V6) with the addition of an intercooler still rocks to this day.( 86'-87' Gn's, GNX and 89' TTA ).Was not real expensive and can be made to fly with very limited mods.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-05-06, 09:54 PM
I think the reason it wasn't included was because the list was all brand new engines.

The LT5 and Turbo 3.8 kick serious ass though.

eldorado1
07-05-06, 10:04 PM
I know, I think someone mentioned the N* as being the first 32V V8 or something though... I'm sure there were more before that too.

hardley-etc
07-06-06, 08:35 AM
there seems to be no replacement for
Moving Mass In A Straight Line

as for direct injection
seems japan has brought it to the market first

has cadillac been plaqued by corporate woes

92EldoTC
07-06-06, 02:57 PM
I (and many others) think the Hemi's overrated.
its overatted and also it is used in every car the DC makes.
its not even a real hemi.
that name is a marketing tool for this new engine.
the old "real" hemis had hemispherical shaped valve ports, which increased horsepower. the new ones dont have that but use the hemi name to sell more units.
its way overated.
ill take a N* anyday over the "Hemi".

GreenMachine
07-07-06, 12:49 AM
^yeah I always laugh when I think about a "HEMI" in a Jeep. That engine belongs in a cuda, charger, challenger. Although the new Charger is nice...I think making it a "4 door coupe" wasn't the best choice. That and its really a reworked 300. They could have really made it a something special but instead they have the dodge neon SRT to compete with the mustang.

unruley247
07-12-06, 08:07 AM
Ford's intech motor was underrated and I never figured out way it wasn't in the town car:hmm: but it was good enough for the gator