Well the put it better Sony has officially announced that they will no longer be in business. Games prices from $59 to $99.

Holy SHIT!

$599 + up to $99/game.

Wow PS3 will pwn.

That is such a DEAL.

So let us take a look at the awesome PS3 shall we?

$599 for the HD version of the PS3
+
$50 or more for another controller
+
$99 for 4 games
=
$1045 before taxes. So thank you very much Sony for giving the 360 a decent chunk of the market share!

Yowza!

Well....I think they're prescribing to the market research that suggests that the people who must have the latest and greatest are price insensitive. They will buy it just for bragging rights. Once Sony pockets their money I expect the discounts....

IM getting a 360 for Madden this year. I decided on the 360 when I heard PS3 would be 600. Now I find the games will be 99??? **** THAT!!

The difference is the 360's games are on HD DVD format and the PS3's are on BluRay which are capable of holding way more data. The 360 was released too soon, if it had waited it too could take advantage of this newer format but now you'll see multiplatform games from 3rd parties start to come to a halt. Especially with Nintendo not using the same format as the others. The price of games shouldn't discourage someone from buying them. I'd drop $60-$100 on a game if I get my money's worth outta the game. Especially with the ability to load off the HDD on the PS3. Load times are cut to no more than 6 seconds because of this. Also memory cards aren't necessary for saving.

360 actually still uses DVD9, but in the near future Microsoft is releasing an HD-DVD add-on that connects through USB.

I don't think too many casual gamers are going to enjoy spending up to $100 for a game

I'm pretty sure that most games will be around $60. The $100 ones will prolly be like Final Fantasy XIII, something HUGE that would incorporate the use of all that space on the BluRay. BluRay movies are starting to come out already. I'm most impressed by the direct connection the PS3 will have with the PSP. The whole telling your PS3 to TiVo something while you're not even at home through the PSP, the PS3 recording it, then you being able to watch it on the PSP from where you are thing really has me impressed. besides, my PS3 is gonna be comped anyway. :lildevil:

I buy all my game consoles and games when theyre near extinction. Im just now really getting into the PS2. I'll have a PS3 at the end of the decade.

Meh....I'll stick with my computer.

The difference is the 360's games are on HD DVD format and the PS3's are on BluRay which are capable of holding way more data. The 360 was released too soon, if it had waited it too could take advantage of this newer format but now you'll see multiplatform games from 3rd parties start to come to a halt. Especially with Nintendo not using the same format as the others. The price of games shouldn't discourage someone from buying them. I'd drop $60-$100 on a game if I get my money's worth outta the game. Especially with the ability to load off the HDD on the PS3. Load times are cut to no more than 6 seconds because of this. Also memory cards aren't necessary for saving.PS3 is costing Sony $900 per unit. Pricing it at $599 is losing them $300 per unit sold. The only way the PS3 will get cheaper to make is when Blu-Ray becomes cheaper which isn't looking like it any time soon.

Directly from Forbes

Total Sony Sales: $63.23 billion
Total Sony Profit: $0.98 billion
Sony Gaming Division Sales: $7.9 billion
Sony Gaming Division Profit: -$244.0 million

Assumming Sony PS3 sells for a $300 loss, like you claim (which X-Box original was at over $100 loss and the Industry thought that NUTS!!!!)...

Loss - Sold - Total Loss
$300 - 3.0 M Units - $900 million

They may know what the consumer is willing to pay, but that doesn't mean that they can take a hit like that. I don't think you understand the economics of it. Selling a PS3 for about 50% of its Mfg Cost, is like selling the SRT-4 for $7,000 NEW. It is suicide. And if you read the Merrill Lynch forecast, the Mfg Cost of the PS3 doesn't drop for 3 years, because of the Cell Processor, Blu-Ray, and other hardware. And then eventually drop-off to $320 Mfg Cost. But in 3 yrs, both Nintendo and Microsoft will be even lower than that. I mean the X-box 360 only costs $501 to Mfg (which was slated to, and has already dropped $75+). And most all analysts said PS3 has to be between $399 and $499 to even compete, especially being 1 yr after the X-Box 360 Launch. As of right now the PS3 is looking like the next NeoGeo.


Total = $0
+$599 Console
Total = $599
+$20/Month Online Subscription for 1 yr = $240
Total = $739
+$200 in controller(s) and other accessories
Total = $939
+$99/Newly Released Game (Quantity of 4) = $396
GRAND TOTAL of $1435

Wow you have just spent over $1K and you have a PS3, some controllers and accessories, and 4 games. You would have to be an idiot to think that is a bargain when you could get a PC for about that much and have more functionality as well as better looking games.

Oh yeah, and here is some other information that is being released since Sony announced a delayed (November '06) Launch.

1) Microsoft confirmed that it will now be more likely to release Halo 3 around the PS3 Release in an attempt to counter the PS3 Launch.
2) Nintendo confirmed that it will now be more likely to follow through on the promise to release the Next-Gen Nintendo Console (code-named 'Revolution') before the PS3 Launch.
3) Nintendo also speculated that the most anticipated 'current-gen' title "Zelda: Twilight Princess" will likely be released around the same time as PS3, and will be totally compatible with 'Revolution'. Nintendo also hinted at certain features and capabilities of "Zelda: Twilight Princess " on the 'Revolution'.
4) Microsoft has speculated at a possible price-drop around Thanksgiving '06 on the X-Box 360.
5) Nintendo is still stating that the estimated 'Revolution' price will be well under that of the X-Box 360 and PS3, as will its games compared to X-Box 360 and PS3.

The PS3 cost is going to remove the following from the buyer pool:
Non-hardcore Gamers
Non-hardcore Video-philes
Smaller Children without Tech-savy Parents
Tons of High School Kids will little to no money
People who want a good gaming system and don't know what Blu-Ray is
People who aren't already gaming (noobs, which is about 70% of the world)

X-box 360 was trying to market to both hardcore gamers and Video-philes, especially since their external HD-DVD will be coming out at the end of the summer. They are still in a High Scholler price range, and still appear to Tech-savy parents. Microsoft did a good job.

Now, Nintendo has the best marketing strategy of them all. BLUE OCEAN.

Nintendo is planning on making the console code-named 'Revolution' to the Blue Ocean, or un-explored market, thus noobs. And so far they are doing a good job. Look at DS and the games it has. Hospitals and Old People Homes are buying them to entertain patients. And in Japan that Brain Game is a big hit with the elderly for memory improvement and exercises. The Next-Gen from Nintendo is aimed to bring back the old-school gamers with the Virtual Console, bring in the hardcore gamers because of price (why not buy and X-Box and Nintendo, or PS3 and Nintendo...X-Box and PS3 are expensive and games too, but Nintendo is cheaper), Price to bring in the younger crowd, and parents won't bat an eye at buying a Nintendo vs a PS3, Tech-savy will like the innovation it brings, ...

A good marketing strategy overall. Especially when compared to Sony.

And about your blu-ray statement......Blu-Ray DVD is just one of the two competing formats for the next-gen of multi-media. HD-DVD is also a big contender. HD-DVD's name implies High Definition DVD, which may give it a slight advantage over not-so-tech-savy consumers. Also, what happens to PS3 if HD-DVD wins the format battle. PS3 turns into a little more than an expensive gaming system with little or no other functionality. Remember that HD-DVD is only 5GB less than Blu-Ray, and if things go Multi-Layer (ML), there is really not that big of a difference. (3 Layer Blu-Ray = 135GB, where 3 Layer HD-DVD = 120 GB) Also HD-DVD Players and media are slated to be 1/2 the price of Blu-Ray. Also take note of the VHS's lifetime of 20+ years. It was not superior to Beta, nor VCD, nor Laser-Disc...yet it continued to beat every single one of those out. Remeber that most consumers are not into high-end, and it takes a LONG time for the technology to trickle down to everyone else form the tech-savy ones. And if the general populus doesn't accept it, you're pretty much screwed.

I just bought donkey kong for the NES for 2.99$ shipped....ohh yeah.

SWEET!!!:thumbsup:

I think you underestimate what people will do to get the hottest product on the market. Remember the "Tickle Me Elmo" dolls? What, they cost at most $15 regularly priced, but come Christmas time, people were buying them for WELL over a $100.

Hell, I'd pay $600 for a PS3 - it's going to the best system there is in terms of hardware, and it will go perfectly with my HDTV. The thing EVERYONE forgets about XBOX is that once you get tired of playing Halo, there's really nothing else to play (with the exception of a token Project Gotham game or Forza). The PS3 will have Gran Turismo, SOCOM, MSG4, Ratchet and Clank,Sly Cooper, Jak and Dexter, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, etc. There are SO many Sony-exclusive games that can't be had on anything else.

And like someone else said, the only reason it's expensive now is because it's cutting edge technology. Remember when DVD's came out and pretty much nobody had a DVD player until they bought their PS2 because DVD players cost so much??? Now you can get DVD players for less than $30. The PS2 now is like 1/3 of what it originally cost.

Once you see how good stuff looks on Blu Ray, you won't care how much it costs. Hell, you'll save up all year so you can get one. And then there's everything else that's going to be so great about the PS3. Like, Sony will have their version of XBOX live, except it will be free. 7 wireless controllers can play at once. It supports EVERY optical format that's come before it (PS1, PS2, CD, DVD, CD-R, DVD-R, etc.).

Bottom line is, the price won't matter. I mean, yes, you'll pay more, but you'll get a HELL of a lot more - motion-sensor wireless controllers, Sony LIVE for free, Blu Ray player, etc. People will want the system that's cooler, and it's going to be the PS3. I mean, its like why buy a Chevy Impala when for just a little more money you could get a Cadillac CTS??? It is the end all, be all for consoles, and it's the only one you'll really need.

I decided to jump into this debate and give my $0.02. I'm not going to pretend I know what the hell you guys are talking about though.

It is the end all, be all for consoles, and it's the only one you'll really need.

Not to sound rude, but that's a bunch of BS. No gaming console will ever be the "end all", they will continue to improve and in 3-5 years there will be a new console out that is improved and more high-tech. I remeber when the Playstation 1 came out, this was supposed to be the console to end all gaming consoles. People loved it UNTIL the PS2 came out. Then it was throw aside and the hype was all around the PS2. Nobody thought they could ever trump the mighty PS2, but now the PS3 is coming and who knows what.

I never thought it was possible to improve on the C5 Corvette until I saw the C6! I fell in love with this car and the "it" factor almost drove me to write a check for $50 grand and drive off with it, not worrying about the cost. I didn't do it because it dawned on me that the C6 was too expensive for what I wanted to spend (it was the time when I was looking for a new car). I still would love to have one, but it would hurt me to shell out that much when it isn't in my budget at the moment.

My opinion is spending $1000++ on the "it" console is utter stupidity in the 1st degree. I know many people will but I can see many other and better ways to spend $1000.

This whole DVD + R against DVD - R; DVD-Audio against SACD; HDDVD against BluRay crap has me going nuts. Can these jerks just come out with 1 format?

Sony had a plan to be the best console out there and put in all sorts of high tech goodies in there but the problem is their biggest assest is the biggest liability as well, Blu-Ray. It's not the standard of the industry and is competing with HD-DVD. The biggest plus for HD-DVD is the cost of it. It's cheaper all around compared to Blu-Ray which as we all know is a huge plus to consumers. Sony wanted to push the envelope but they pushed it too far too early. When it comes to this motion sensor crap with the controllers I see that being an accident waiting to happen. I know many times I'd get pissed at a game and a controller will find itself a couple of times with the ability of flight and usually coming to a crashing hault into a inadament object. So I see this motion sensor being a issue for gamers that get pissed and chuck controllers. If you want the experience of driving then buy a steering wheel. I will stick to the joystick rather then relying on turning my controller to make sure my car turns. I can go on and on as to how Sony has f'd up their empire but the main thing is that when you buy a PS3 your basically doing a crap shoot. Blu-Ray isn't the standard and if HD-DVD wins out over Blu-Ray then you basically just bought one expensive ass paper weight

Oh, I would also like to point out that Sony lead the Beta-Team with Beta vs. VHS. Beta was superior, and VHS still won.

HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray, may turn out the same way. Maybe we have history repeating itself?

You're trying to convince Cadillac owners why they should go for the economy model. Some people prefer the luxury that comes with high-end items.

Isnt it more of a mass market item though? Perhaps not. Gaming changed so much in 5 years.

I feel like shutting off reality and playing Mario Kart.

I love how some games never get old. Last week I started a new file on Zelda: Ocarina of Time for N64. It's still one of my favorite games.

Hell for my gf's b-day i bought her a SNES and i got Super Mario World, Super Mario All Stars, Street Fighter II, Pilotwings, Mario Kart, Zelda, and a few others. And some more about the Blu-Ray and why it will ultimatly fail just like the PS3.

I could show you the same game on a 1080i system one day and a 1080p system and you couldn't tell me which is which. the average eye won't know so resolution makes no difference. As for more powerful have you compared their specs? It is so marginally better you could call it a tie. Sony will sell PS3's in japan because of the cult but around the rest of the world we'll all be playing nintendo or xbox because quad core pc's is coming next year and the ps3's game advantage will be gone.

"Microsoft is also supporting HD-DVD in its next version of Windows"
That is why hd will win. In 5 years 100 million computers will be running it. Windows is supporting both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD..They are currently supported both, so there is no next version support if it is current.

Current PCs with only Dual Core, will wipe the shit out of Sony PS3.

Sony says there will be over 5 million people with Blu-Ray by this time next year. Speculation!

That is based on IF the PS3 sells. If it does not, they are ****ED. There are probably barely 5 million homes with HD-TV right now (US)....WHY would they all of a sudden go buy a Blu-RAy, and an HD-TV?

Last post for a while....

Knox confirmed the rumors, and said the problem involves Blu-ray's numerical aperture. In order to store more data on a disc, the laser is bent into a cone shape.

The aperture setting on standard DVD is 0.6, with the setting for HD DVD a slightly smaller 0.65. The additional capacity is provided by the blue laser technology. However, in order to store a full 25GB per layer, Blu-ray has adopted a 0.85 aperture, meaning the divots on the optical layer are smaller and more prone to error.

Additionally, the smaller aperture requires a thinner disc and smaller layer spacing, which makes the medium more vulnerable. Initially, Blu-ray was designed with an external cartridge to protect the disc. But now, the group is utilizing a special protective coating that has not yet been finalized due to disagreements.

Given HD DVD's design, the requirements are similar to standard DVDs, which has eliminated manufacturing problems. Knox said that Blu-ray could see a much higher production flaw rate, as the equipment has minimal room for error during both the medium and content manufacturing, as well as the reading of discs by Blu-ray players.


That would have been so cool...Initially, Blu-ray was designed with an external cartridge to protect the disc. Like CD-RAM or DVD-RAM Drives...so cool, that they are are still used in EVERY America PC. Good thing Blu-Ray did one thing right with that, and ditched the cart. Just remember when you buy you Blu-Ray DVDs and PS3 games...too much touching it and you have to buy a new one.

SOURCE (http://www.betanews.com/article/HD_DVD_Bluray_Has_Problems/1136673259)

One last thing about the PS3....

http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/PS3_memory_bandwidths.jpg

Check this out too...

Local Memory Read Speed...~16MB/s (no this is not a typo)....that is 0.015625GB/s

:lol:

That won't be a bottle-neck at all. I can write to the Local Memory at 4GB/s, but I can only read it back at 16MB/s...WOW...What a Processor. The Cell Processor RULEZ! That is 1024 times as fast at writing than reading. So basically one can write the ENTIRE Encyclopedia Britanica, before they can read the first page.... :lol:

I'll be getting a PS3.

I do kinda want a PSP tho..... for my trip to NY and stuff... movies, music, games and internet.

I feel like shutting off reality and playing Mario Kart.


When I wanna get away from reality, I drink Karkov. :)

WHY would they all of a sudden go buy a Blu-RAy, and an HD-TV?

Because it's the way of the future:thumbsup:

Why did people all of a sudden stop buying records and start buying CDs?
Why did people all of a sudden stop buying VHS and start buying DVDs?
Need I say more?

I had a PS1, all I played on it were Tekken and Gran Turismo, got the PS2 and all I play on it is Gran Turismo. I'll get the PS3 and will probably do nothing more on it than play Gran Turismo. I've spent more money on a night on the town. Spending a grand or so for the system and game seems like money well spent for something that will keep me entertained for awhile.:thumbsup:

Jesus. What the hell do you do on a night on the town? Cocaine?

Jesus. What the hell do you do on a night on the town? Cocaine?

Heck no, Coke's way to cheap. He means Heroin! ;)

Heck no, Coke's way to cheap. He means Heroin! ;)Gambling, drinking, dancing, whatever. Only once in a blue moon though. :thumbsup:

Sounds like a fun evening!

Sounds like a fun evening!Unfortunately the babysitter moved so it'll be awhile before the wife and I can let loose again. Its all good though.:thumbsup:

We are Caddi owners what is a stack on video games? pennies in a well! Now where did i park my massarotti; oh there it is behind the Lambo truck silly me :thepan: