View Full Version : Problem with my new Rims My new Asanti wheels arrived today. I have a problem with the rears rubbing the control arm ever so slightly. I am going to start with some 6 x 115 10 mil spacers. Will this work? I appreciate any help I can get with this problem.
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SPACERS DID NOT FIT OUR BOLT PATTERN!! RedGalant2k1 06-15-06, 09:36 PM A 3-5mm spacer should be enough. Thats what I have to do to the STS-V in the rear.
Curiously, whats the offset and width of the wheel your running? vr6aaron 06-15-06, 09:38 PM How about some pics? Lets see your new shoes. I am running the following:
Front: 19 x 8.5
Rear: 19 x 10
Will it cause any problems to grind the lower control arm. StealthV 06-15-06, 11:05 PM http://www.dewalt.com//ProductImages/PC_Graphics/PHOTOS/DEWALT/TOOLS/MEDIUM/2/D28112_1.gif mike041357 06-15-06, 11:25 PM You'll never get 'em to fit. I'll give you $500 for the set....:histeric: RedGalant2k1 06-15-06, 11:29 PM I am running the following:
Front: 19 x 8.5
Rear: 19 x 10
Will it cause any problems to grind the lower control arm.
If I were you I'd put spacers on the car before you grind your control arm. Well we may have to think the FAQ 19 x 10 rears. Anyone have an idea where to order some quality spacers? I decided against any control arm grinding.
What a hard lesson to learn. I will post some picks once I get my hands on some quality spacers. StealthV Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:
I am wondering what the compression play or movement of the control arm when the springs are fully compressed? Need a good engineer. StealthV 06-16-06, 12:50 AM Talk to Fred @ http://www.wheelspacer.com/home.asp
My spacers:
Thickness = 5.25 mm
OD = 154.5 mm
Bolt Circle = 115.0 mm
Stud ID = 12.7 mm
Hub ID = 70.6 mm (with 3 mm x 45 degree chamfer)
With the spacer, watch the clearance to the inside of the outer fender lip - on a 2005 it may need to be rolled depending on the tire. Thanks again Rick!!! I will use the backspacing calculation based on my stock wheels. Do I need the same clearance as stock? Did you compute this with comparison to stock? It would be extremely helpful if we had the clearance value (measurement) or sway during max acceptable compression or max flex on the lower control arm. Therefore, I could measure the clearance needed for the lower control arm (rear only in my case) to fab the spacer. I assume if I use your specs it will be fairly close based on your experience or level of contact; level of contact being key. I'm running 20x8.5 front and 20x9.5 rear. With a 275/30 in the rear, when the car bottoms out, it'll rub very slightly. I have no problems with control arm rubbing though. That extra 1/2" you have in back, with Asanti's aggressive offset might put you out too far with the spacers.
If you do go with spacers, remember you might need longer bolts on the rotors too.
I think your best bet is to send back the rears and request for 9.5" wide in back. That might mean a longer wait but at least you'll have them made to fit this time.
Let me know if you need my help. ;) That extra 1/2" you have in back, with Asanti's aggressive offset might put you out too far with the spacers.
If you do go with spacers, remember you might need longer bolts on the rotors too.
I think your best bet is to send back the rears and request for 9.5" wide in back. That might mean a longer wait but at least you'll have them made to fit this time.
Let me know if you need my help. ;)
Great advice. You are right on the money with Asanti's offset. I did not take into consideration a negative offset. The FAQ recommendation assumes a neutral offset...I guess. I wish I new what the play really was on the lower control arm for the rears. This would tell me if I should just ship them back or fab a spacer that will guarantee clearance.:thepan:
The 10's look kick ^%&^% CTS-VPaco 06-16-06, 12:04 PM I'd suggest putting it in the air and eyeballing it. If it's a slight rub on the LCA and there is at least 1cm of clearance between the outer edge of the tire and the fender, do the spacer.
I had the opposite problem with my 19x10 iForged's by having good amounts of space on the inside (at least an inch) and rubbing (read: cutting) my tires on the fender. I HAD to roll my fenders just to keep 'em from cutting my tires. Since I had a bodyshop pull my fenders out about 2", I've been contemplating 12" rears. I'm just scared of tire replacement at that point.
Oh, and I had your same problem with going with 19x9's up front. I just bit the bullet and sent them back for resizing down to a 8.5. Fits perfect, done for free. The guys at iForged get two thumbs up from me and I have no reason to think that Asanti wouldn't do the same for you if you choose that route! I'd suggest putting it in the air and eyeballing it. If it's a slight rub on the LCA and there is at least 1cm of clearance between the outer edge of the tire and the fender, do the spacer.
I had the opposite problem with my 19x10 iForged's by having good amounts of space on the inside (at least an inch) and rubbing (read: cutting) my tires on the fender. I HAD to roll my fenders just to keep 'em from cutting my tires. Since I had a bodyshop pull my fenders out about 2", I've been contemplating 12" rears. I'm just scared of tire replacement at that point.
Oh, and I had your same problem with going with 19x9's up front. I just bit the bullet and sent them back for resizing down to a 8.5. Fits perfect, done for free. The guys at iForged get two thumbs up from me and I have no reason to think that Asanti wouldn't do the same for you if you choose that route!
I've heard the opposite about iforged's customer support. Glad to know you've been taken care of. I don't know how Asanti will take care of this if approached. I hope for good results.
Paco, there's a video of you I found getting smoked on some freeway. It's in the Kill Stories section if you haven't seen it. :D
V-Stax, if you rub only on the inside, and you have some clearance from tire to fender on the outside, run a small spacer. Just be careful and not go too big. If you do, you might not have enough threads left to properly tighten the lugnuts. StealthV 06-17-06, 12:52 AM A 5.25-mm spacer is about as much as one can go with the stock length wheel studs.
How much interference is there between the control arm and wheel? Snap a few photos... wildwhl 06-17-06, 01:43 AM Rick, those are .2" spacers ;)
Anything more - and you will in fact have issues with wheel studs and getting enough threads to safely torque the lugs, not that I would have learned the hard way or anything :nono:
I vote grinder for +1mm of clearance.
WW
(P.S. and I have a nice slice on the left rear 275/40/18 GSD3 - need to roll fenders with my ride height for safety) This forum is worth it's weight in gold.
Here are my options gentlemen:
1. Asanti (dealer) will replace the centers (3 piece wheels) and adjust to 9.5 versus 10. I have to pay shipping to and from.
2. Rick I spoke to Fred and he can design a spacer that will possibly work but I have to be exact on the center bore.
3. Take my car and wheels to the dealership and get a "dealer" opinion.
FACT: They only rub when the springs are slightly compress in my driveway. Thus I am unsure about full lower control arm play but I would assume at least 1/2 inch.
At this point I am very inclined to take Asanti's recommendation. Any recommendations are truly appreciated.
Wild, will grinding affect my .75 g corners?
:worship: Dreamin 06-17-06, 03:09 AM My new Asanti wheels arrived today. I have a problem with the rears rubbing the control arm ever so slightly. I am going to start with some 6 x 115 10 mil spacers. Will this work? I appreciate any help I can get with this problem.
Did they build the wheels to your custom specs? Or did you get wheels "for the V"?? If the later, return them to Asanti and make them fix the wheels... that's why you paid the big bucks for them! Did they build the wheels to your custom specs? Or did you get wheels "for the V"?? If the later, return them to Asanti and make them fix the wheels... that's why you paid the big bucks for them!
They did build them to my specs. I used the info from FAQ and hoped they would fit streching to the 19 x 10 in the rears. Turned out to be to much wheel. They have offered to fix them. I am just trying to decide weather or not to try custom fabricated spacers or just send them back to run 9.5 in the rear. I don't think grinding is the answer here. urbanski 06-17-06, 08:09 AM John at CCW made me spacers. They fit the round center portion of my wheels...maybe call him since he knows our lug pattern, but you'd have to give him the right width wildwhl 06-17-06, 12:20 PM I'd return the centers to be honest. Not sure grinding is such a great idea (not looking at the part that needs to be ground).
Of course, spacers are simple, quick, and easy, and that's what I'm using.
WW StealthV 06-17-06, 12:42 PM Are the tires mounted on the wheels? If so, put two or three steel flat washers the studs and see if that spaces it away enough from the control arm and that there's still clearance to the inner fender.
Remember this is for dimensional checking only - Do not move the vehicle or torque down the wheels using washers.
And if the dimensional check doesn't work out, you've got the perfect backup plan in changing the wheels to 9.5". Dreamin 06-17-06, 02:08 PM They did build them to my specs. I used the info from FAQ and hoped they would fit streching to the 19 x 10 in the rears. Turned out to be to much wheel. They have offered to fix them. I am just trying to decide weather or not to try custom fabricated spacers or just send them back to run 9.5 in the rear. I don't think grinding is the answer here.
PM me... i've got 1/4" spacers (off-the-shelf, not hub-centric) i can ship you... if they work you can get custom hub-centric spacers from http://www.wheelspacer.com/home.asp otherwise send the wheels back. CTS-VPaco 06-17-06, 03:43 PM Haha, I didn't get beat that bad! But, yeah, that's me and my friends. We got busted in a small suburb by the local cops. Luckily, no one was in the act, but a couple of us were carrying our concealed weapons legally, which made the cops very nervous. Also, one of my friends who was just a passenger had a suspended license to his surprise. A great way to celebrate NYE in OK, hahahahaha! Dreamin (thanks friend) is sending me some spacers and I will do a real-time photo display of all clearances against the control arm and the upper center outside fender. So hopefully the spacers should give me enough clearance. I am sure they will avoid the lower control arm but now it will bring the outer fender (rear quarter) possibly into play. I believe the 19's will be ok.
:stirpot: Thank you to all that gave me advice. wildwhl 06-18-06, 11:49 PM It is all a very tight fit, for sure.
For example, I have widened stock rears (to 9.25") with 275/40/18 GSD3's. Without the spacers, I have mild rub on the inside of the wheel (lower trailing arm I believe, don't recall for certain, Lawfive might verify). With the spacers (.2" per Fred the spacer dude) I have mild contact with the fender lip. I really should roll the fenders to be safe.
How people manage 9.5" or 10" rear widths, with lowered V's, is beyond me. Good luck!
WW It is all a very tight fit, for sure.
For example, I have widened stock rears (to 9.25") with 275/40/18 GSD3's. Without the spacers, I have mild rub on the inside of the wheel (lower trailing arm I believe, don't recall for certain, Lawfive might verify). With the spacers (.2" per Fred the spacer dude) I have mild contact with the fender lip. I really should roll the fenders to be safe.
How people manage 9.5" or 10" rear widths, with lowered V's, is beyond me. Good luck!
WW
Wild,
I used this as my reference point: http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/index.html
Maybe we should update this link. I really have plenty of clearance with the fender so I am hoping the spacers will work. What does it cost to have the fenders wells rolled? Andy@superbuytires 06-19-06, 12:20 PM Satx,
You should be able to get the fenders rolled for no more than 40 bucks a corner. Let me know how everything works out. If you want to return the wheels, give me call so I can give you a RMA number and explain how to properly oackage the wheels. ctsvett 06-19-06, 12:30 PM someone let me know what needs to be updated.... (which page are you referring to?)
Reed Satx,
You should be able to get the fenders rolled for no more than 40 bucks a corner. Let me know how everything works out. If you want to return the wheels, give me call so I can give you a RMA number and explain how to properly oackage the wheels.
Andy,
I may ship them back to you. However, I am going to bring my V to a shop so we can easily hoist the car and play with the spacer issue or possibly determine if there is another solution. I will call as soon as I know.
Reed:
I got the information for max tire rim sizes on FAQ. Has anyone persued getting modified trailing arms?
I know that's how Mallet fits their wide tire package on the rear (they are slightly bent in, and look like an 'S'). I assume they won't sell their's stand alone without the suspension/tire package.
Do the BMR trailing arms possible offer a bit more clearance (doubtfull), since they are thicker.
My $0.02,
Chris |