i wonder what the auto rwhp is compared to the stick.
and the sticks gotta b lighter right?

i drive these autos at work and they are noticably slower .

Estimates put drivetrain loss on a stick @ 15 %, and auto around 17.5%.
38hp vs 44.6hp. I think the stick is about 100-200 lbs lighter.

With the efficiencies of the new auto's, it's pretty slim. The gearing is probably the main difference in the quickness.(6 speeds vs 5 speeds)

thats why they feel so much slower . 100-200 lbs and more hp loss. lol u guys wit auto need mods just to keep up wit sticks stock.

It would be very difficult to feel only a 3% loss IMO. In the sport mode I think this auto rips!:)

addin wheels is even less then 3% loss. and you always beotch about that. and its 100-200 heavier, thats a lot of weight. im tellin u they are noticably slower bro i drive both .they got alot of lag compared to the sticks. besides the fact auto is so boring and racing is so much better.
there is no arguing this the stick is faster .

addin wheels is even less then 3% loss. and you always beotch about that. and its 100-200 heavier, thats a lot of weight. im tellin u they are noticably slower bro i drive both .they got alot of lag compared to the sticks. besides the fact auto is so boring and racing is so much better.
there is no arguing this the stick is faster .

I just don't invision a Cadillac with a stick. For many years a stick wasn't even available. Today finding one on a car lot is difficult because most buyers of Cadillacs are after luxuary and comfort. Stirring a manual and pumping a clutch wouldn't be considered. The were for little econo cars, not a Cadillac. I know the CTS edges into the sports sedan arena but with that said, very very few manuals are sold in the CTS. Enjoy your stick Bro. Peace.

addin wheels is even less then 3% loss. and you always beotch about that. and its 100-200 heavier, thats a lot of weight. im tellin u they are noticably slower bro i drive both .they got alot of lag compared to the sticks. besides the fact auto is so boring and racing is so much better.
there is no arguing this the stick is faster .


I bought my CTS beacuse I wanted something that looked good and had nice power. Plus my knees hurt to bad to do daily communtes with manny any more. I still have one of my manual cars which is my roadster.

Do I whine about you guys with 6spds heck no!! Thats why mine has 17" wheels, leaves me plenty of power to out run you gus with 6pds and 20" rims :bouncy:

addin wheels is even less then 3% loss. and you always beotch about that. and its 100-200 heavier, thats a lot of weight. im tellin u they are noticably slower bro i drive both .they got alot of lag compared to the sticks. besides the fact auto is so boring and racing is so much better.
there is no arguing this the stick is faster .

Unless youre a profossional race car driver an auto in sport mode is going to shift more efficiently. In a race I dont think a manual would beat an auto. Nor do I think and auto would beat a manual. HMMMMM beats me!! LOL. Autos these days will own the averege joe blow in shifting skills is what im tryin to say.

I believe I saw somewhere that the weight difference is around 75 pounds. Could be wrong.

Ohh and man Robert is right about the "Sport" mode. The car comes alive.

Estimates put drivetrain loss on a stick @ 15 %, and auto around 17.5%.
38hp vs 44.6hp. I think the stick is about 100-200 lbs lighter.

This is cut and pasted directly from the cadillac.com site from the CTS specs.

Curb Weight
3,509 lbs. (manual)
3,568 (automatic)
or check for yourself here!!

http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/model/po_specification.jsp?model=cts

Cc

Ohh and man Robert is right about the "Sport" mode. The car comes alive.

True that! I love blastin it up to about 40 then lettin the revs sit at about 5k for a sec and nailin it again! Really whips you back into your seat!

Unless youre a profossional race car driver an auto in sport mode is going to shift more efficiently. In a race I dont think a manual would beat an auto. Nor do I think and auto would beat a manual. HMMMMM beats me!! LOL. Autos these days will own the averege joe blow in shifting skills is what im tryin to say.

Biggest mistake with manual drivers is lighting up the tires. The auto get the jump on them. Wish I had a set of 3.91 rear gears. YeeHaw!!:bouncy:

This is cut and pasted directly from the cadillac.com site from the CTS specs.

Curb Weight
3,509 lbs. (manual)
3,568 (automatic)
or check for yourself here!!

http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/model/po_specification.jsp?model=cts

Cc

That's great news, so there's only a 59lb difference, I'll take that!!.. IMO it all comes down to the driver. Unless your a pretty good shifter, an auto will definitley accelerate faster (especially in SM).. Not to mention a manny with 20" chromie's on, now u weigh more then us auto's (w/stock rims), then add avg shifting and that equals Sloooowwwww acceleration.

I thought so. I even was a little high on the weight diff

Whenever I race I leave it in first for the whole race. This way I dont get the delay and switching gears. Also I dont like to put wear and tear on my clutch.

well I guess it depends on how much of a race you are having, but leaving it in first for too much of any race, I would think isnt going to help you win much.............

Whenever I race I leave it in first for the whole race. This way I dont get the delay and switching gears. Also I dont like to put wear and tear on my clutch.

first gear at 90mph..hmm. A true test is 1320 feet. You're gonna shift at least 3 times.:)

Whenever I race I leave it in first for the whole race. This way I dont get the delay and switching gears. Also I dont like to put wear and tear on my clutch.

I bet you win a ton of races like that! First gear REALLY screams at 80 mph! LOL, sorry Mike had to poke a lil fun.

I cant seem to get my car faster than 20, its going to the shop next week. I drive 80 miles a day and this is starting to take me far to long to get back and forth from work to home.

I cant seem to get my car faster than 20, its going to the shop next week. I drive 80 miles a day and this is starting to take me far to long to get back and forth from work to home.

Youre confusing me??!!! So its STUCK in first?

haha sorry, i have a pretty dry sense of humor I dont really leave my car in first when im racing im just joshing. Before I just meant I dont take my car out of first at all.

lol i wouldnt buy a car that wasnt stick.my knees are still fresh. ill rip an auto , espcially on the highway, iam am confident in sayin im damn near perfect of my shifts and u guys all want lux and add loud exausts and intakes and cats?? they probably put this stick in this car because its actually pretty nice. ask around.
not sayin im not gonna add all that lol just sayin that the stick is faster lol u guys r crazy

wit the stick ill run each gear to
1st 35
2 65
3rd usually up past 100 or somethin ike that dont pay attention after 2nd really lol
when fu**in around

stock vs stock stick is faster if u can shift is all im sayin

You all forgot about the axle ratios.

I think the 6spds are lower, giving them an (arguable) edge in acceleration. Drivetrain efficiencies and weight differences would be negligible.

You all forgot about the axle ratios.

I think the 6spds are lower, giving them an (arguable) edge in acceleration. Drivetrain efficiencies and weight differences would be negligible.

I think they both use a 3.42 ratio.

if im slammin gears ill bang a monkey dont tell anyone lol

Thats why mine has 17" wheels, leaves me plenty of power to out run you gus with 6pds and 20" rims :bouncy:
do 20's only fit on the manuals? just wondering why wheel size always get brought up in the manual vs. auto discussions.
once again, i'm in northern cali/ southern oregon if anyone would like to test their auto out a bit.

ill bang a monkey dont tell anyone lol

I did that once.

Further clarification on the axle ratios:

Both the auto and the 6sp have a 3.42 rear. The difference is in the transmission.

The auto's ratio's are 3.42, 2.21, 1.6, 1.0 & 0.75
The 6sp's ratios are 4.15, 2.33, 1.62, 1.27, 1.0 & 0.79.

The overall ratios for the 6sp are lower in the first 2 gears than the auto. This can contribute to the feeling that the 6sp is more responsive in the lower gears.

sounds right

The manual is nice in the 3.6L CTS i drove that and a V. Overall the gates are easier to find in the 3.6L and it just feels smoother. That Tremec 6-speed in the V can make any good driver look like an idiot. The 3.6L gets an Aisin shifter. Either way if you don't know how to power shift or your just an average shifter...in a flat out race the auto will take the win. And believe me your average cts buyer is not a pro.

I did that once.

lolololol:horse: :cookoo: :crybaby: