: The worst car of all time?



Spock
01-29-04, 12:12 AM
http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2004/01/26/cx_dl_0126feat.html

Here are collected some of the supposed worst vehicles of all time. From manufacturing defects, to exploding gas tanks to just horrible, horrible horrible design.

My vote is the pinto! Take that ford!

Ralph
01-29-04, 02:34 AM
Too bad the Fiero in 1984 was considered a lemon. In 1988, the Formula Fiero was a great car, very fast and light and they were tough to race on the street! Even with a 383 Charger!!

Blackout
01-29-04, 09:48 AM
The worst car of all time.......The Cadillac Cimmaron

Sandy
01-29-04, 11:01 AM
Worst car not on the list. It was the 1981-1983 Imperial. It was the first mass application of Electronic Digital Control Fuel Injection. The system was defectively manufactured by TRW for Chrysler. Within months the system began eating itself and shutting down the car. In all, 12,385 were made over the 3 years, and every last one of them wound up being towed to the dealer's, who absolutely could not fix them. Chrysler ordered that they be converted over to Cordoba carburation system, a $4,500.00 fix, that Chrysler had to eat. After the"fix" the electroluminescent digital dash went out, and a new one had to be installed, thusly destroying the accumulated mileage. Owner's cars sat in dealer's lots for upwards of a half year awaiting a retro-fit Carb set-up from the Cordoba to the Imperial application. Owners drove around in loaned "K" Kars, while making payments on their Imperial.
Those who waited it out (the 6 months) got back a car with the wrong mileage on it, that ran okay, but stalled at the end of highway exit ramps.
Anytime the vehicle was run at 60MPH or so, for more than 2 minutes, and then came to a stop, the motor stalled. It would promptly re-start, but that meant stalling at every toll both, too. I know that Chrysler sued TRW for like 100 million, but I never knew the outcome. Far worse than the Pacer my wife had when we first met! (and Yes, I had a 1982 Imperial) !! By 1988 95% of them were in junk yards). Plenty of body parts to be had, but no running cars on which to install 'em !!

AirJigga25
01-29-04, 11:49 AM
88 ford tempo?

Billy94Z
01-29-04, 12:02 PM
I remember hearing about one car possibly a Monza that you had to lift the motor partially out of the car to change the spark plugs.

Not to mention my 94 Z28 that is pretty tough to work on and when the distributor gets wet it costs $400 + for a new one and takes like 6-10 hours to replace. There is hardly any room on this car to work.

c5 rv
01-29-04, 12:35 PM
I'd say for it's time, the Yugo was the worst. It was an outdated Fiat design made with lousy components and poor assembly.

The Trabant was an awful car, but most everything being made in Eastern Europe then was awful. My ex had family in East Germany who had one when they lived in a small town. When her cousin got promoted to a position in East Berlin, they had a family meeting and agreed to give up the car. They were relieved to be rid of it.

The AMC Pacer was a futuristic design that had to deal with the realities of the present. Its compact engine compartment was designed for a Wankel rotary engine, but that didn't work out. They crammed an underpowered piston engine in and you couldn't get to the rear spark plugs without pulling the engine. It was designed to use lightweight materials, but all the steel and glass made the longer passenger side door sag and sometimes break off at the hinges. The air conditioner couldn't keep up with the solar heating from all the glass and rear seat passengers baked.

tstach
01-29-04, 01:41 PM
I'm going with the Ford Pinto, because of the severe injuries and deaths that were caused regarding poor fuel tank design.

1toycad
01-29-04, 03:56 PM
The worst car of all time.......The Cadillac Cimmaron
Now you gone and done it....the Cimarron the worst car of ALL times? When there are still Ford Mavericks out there?? How can that be.

You want to talk about a HUGE POS...look no further than the Ford Maverick. My wife had one when we met and after years of nothing but problems I took it out to an empty field and put it out of its misery.

Then I bought her a new Cimarron :lildevil:

Infamous Lac
01-29-04, 04:29 PM
My vote goes to my 99 Eclipse GST fast as hell but after 4 blocks and 5 heads and 3 turbos in less than 3,000 miles and 3 mechanics, I will never own a mitsu again.

Mad'lac
01-29-04, 05:40 PM
You want to talk about a HUGE POS...look no further than the Ford Maverick.
The Maverick the worst car? Hell no.....drop a 351 in that puppy and you got it just right.....now the Yugo is another story.

Yugo buy it
Yugo drive it
Yugo junk it

1toycad
01-29-04, 06:44 PM
The Maverick the worst car? Hell no.....drop a 351 in that puppy and you got it just right.....now the Yugo is another story.

Yugo buy it
Yugo drive it
Yugo junk it
Only if the car, and every major component, don't fall apart around the engine first....:histeric:

El Dobro
01-29-04, 09:49 PM
My pick would be the Yugo too. It was a Fiat gone bad. You can't get worse than that.

Anthony Cipriano
01-29-04, 10:06 PM
Worst car not on the list. It was the 1981-1983 Imperial. It was the first mass application of Electronic Digital Control Fuel Injection. The system was


Not to start a flaming argument but I don't think the 1981 Imperial was the first mass application of a digital fuel injection system. The 1980 Cadillacs had digital fuel injection as did the 1981 with the V-8-6-4. It was a throttle body injection system and was digital.

Many of the early digital systems had electronic problems so it's hard to throw stones at Chrysler - or anyone, for that matter. The pioneers in putting the digital systems in cars "taught" everyone a lot of lessons about sealing connectors, moisture and salt water wicking up wiring harness from unprotected connectors, etcetera. The whole industry had been used to dealing with 12 volts and had to change the whole wiring infrastructure in the car to deal with milli-volt signals.

The Cimarron being a "worst car"? I'm not a Cimarron fanatic but, really, other than the car being a bit tacky and overdressed and overpriced it wasn't a "bad" car. It was plenty reliable as were many of those generation of J-cars. I still see them driving around occasionally. If they were really "bad" cars then they wouldn't have survived this long. The Cimarron filled a niche for Cadillac dealers in the early 80's when the fuel economy crunch was on and big cars were not selling at all. It seems like a bad idea in hind sight but everyone has 20/20 hindsight.

Stoneage_Caddy
01-29-04, 11:53 PM
the pintos only fault was placemtn of the gas tank , to say the pinto was bad cuz of that would be the same to say every mustang ever made is just as bad (grandfather burned to death in a 84 stang).. remember tho in its day the pinto was VERY popular

the vega was pretty bad , only due to the teflon coated bores of its aluminum block (all alumium no steel sleeves) , either bore the engine and send it to gm for reteflon or kiss the engine and car gooybye ...too bad cuz i still think the cosworth vega is a bad ass car

but the absolute worst car ? there were alot too many to pick a winner but heres some of my list

lexus ES250
Toyotas trucks with the 3.0 v6 (serious headgasket issues)
Ford Focus , anyone seen all the recalls on this one ?
Ford escape , see above
pre 1994 huynadis that were made by mitsubishi
the delorean (even tho im a huge fan )
the original US escort in early 80s , timing chain issues

kcnewell
01-30-04, 12:23 AM
the vega was pretty bad , only due to the teflon coated bores of its aluminum block (all alumium no steel sleeves) , either bore the engine and send it to gm for reteflon or kiss the engine and car gooybye ...

If I'm not mistaken...The Vega was originally designed with the small block V-8 in mind. I had a '73 wagon, After two engine rebuilds I stuffed a 350 in it and intalled a beefy rear end and quiet mufflers. The little car was the ultimate sleeper and was a blast to drive....I wish I still had it! The stock engine does qualify for the sorriest engine design though if you ask me.

Spock
01-30-04, 03:04 AM
The delorean?! That car had the perfect stainless steel construction for the flux capacitor! :halo:

Ralph
01-30-04, 03:14 AM
Those Deloreans are awsome! Not very powerful but cool to say the least! Our Toyota dealership had one a few months ago because someone traded it. 10,000 original miles, but it sat in the sun a bit! They were asking 24,000 cdn, but 18,000 would have drove it home. (the dealer told me) They are very exotic-looking and when you are standing next to one, they seem 3 feet off the ground. It's too bad about Delorean, wasn't he part of the creation of the Pontiac GTO? Why were these considered lemons? Underpowered? How would anyone ever be able to get parts for one today!!

Spock
01-30-04, 03:22 AM
Yeah not to mention that the bodywork on them is more expensive than a porche lol. Was it in really nice shape?

Saskcatchewan eh? I'm in Edmonton...do they still have it lol? Honestly I've always wanted one. Although I'd go into serious debt it would be nice to have. At the moment -45 would prevent me hehe.

Ralph
01-30-04, 03:36 AM
Yeah not to mention that the bodywork on them is more expensive than a porche lol. Was it in really nice shape?

Saskcatchewan eh? I'm in Edmonton...do they still have it lol? Honestly I've always wanted one. Although I'd go into serious debt it would be nice to have. At the moment -45 would prevent me hehe.

OMG! I thought Kanucistan was a freakin' country man! I didn't pick up on that LOL!! :cookoo: You and I are both in the deep freeze right now, eh?! We actually beat the Arctic and Antarctica for coldest on the "planet!" :yup: No, they actually sold it a couple of months ago, but I imagine that with stainless steel sheet metal, it could be costly. What was the total production, I know it was LOW! If only you could drop a 350 into one.

Spock
01-30-04, 03:45 AM
www.bigtexas.com/dmcyou thought that it was rare? hehe

they sold it? gosh blast! meh too rich for my blood anyways.

Oh man it's -50 with windchill some days talk about insane. And they don't even cancel university.

Anthony Cipriano
01-30-04, 10:27 AM
the pintos only fault was placemtn of the gas tank , to say the pinto was bad cuz of that would be the same to say every mustang ever made is just as bad

the vega was pretty bad , only due to the teflon coated bores of its aluminum block (all alumium no steel sleeves)



One can argue with the placement of the fuel tank in the Pinto, the Mustangs, the Ford Crown Vics. But the placement only comes into question when the car is parked in the left lane of the expressway so it can be hit at 70 MPH in the rear. :p

Just for the record - the Vega block didn't have teflon bores. That's a new one. The Vega block was cast out of Reynolds 390 alloy aluminum. That's an aluminum alloy with a high percentage of silicon - so high that the silicon particulates out in the melt and forms discrete silicon particles that are "frozen" in the aluminum matrix. The cylinder bores are finished machined and then honed with a special process (either chemically or mechanically) that removes the aluminum from around the silicon particles such that the piston and rings ride on the silicon particles for wear.

The Vega's "problem" was not the block or the material but the fact that that type of bore finish is very sensitive to overheating and the Vega cooling system could trap air in the engine and overheat if allowed to get low and/or serviced/filled improperly. The Vega engine was extremely durable and tough if treated right but it was very fragile if subjected to an overheat or coolant loss.

An interesting fact is that many many of the Mercedes engines are manufactured with this exact same block/material/process. So are many BMW engines. So are many many Porsche engines. If you see Mercedes, BMW and Porsche ads referring to silicone bores or Alusil engine blocks (BMW) those are all the "Vega" block material and process - and they're just as fragile as the Vega was to overheating or loss of coolant! Just Mercedes, BMW and Porsche owners seem to treat their cars/engines differently. In fact, BMW used to use Nikasil bores almost exclusively and switched to the Vega process, calling it Alusil, to get away from the Nikasil due to the severe problems they had in the field with Nikasil.

Stoneage_Caddy
01-30-04, 01:28 PM
news to me anthony, i learn something from you every day ... not sure where i heard the teflon deal .

ralphie i did a report on "how john deloren influenced the auto industry " ill post it here later today

1toycad
01-30-04, 03:55 PM
Anthony writes:


"An interesting fact is that many many of the Mercedes engines are manufactured with this exact same block/material/process. So are many BMW engines. So are many many Porsche engines. If you see Mercedes, BMW and Porsche ads referring to silicone bores or Alusil engine blocks (BMW) those are all the "Vega" block material and process - and they're just as fragile as the Vega was to overheating or loss of coolant! Just Mercedes, BMW and Porsche owners seem to treat their cars/engines differently. In fact, BMW used to use Nikasil bores almost exclusively and switched to the Vega process, calling it Alusil, to get away from the Nikasil due to the severe problems they had in the field with Nikasil."

Exactly right. The engine in my 1991 Benz 420SEL is made out of aluminum, using the process described by Bob. My Benz has 247,000 miles on the original engine and block. It now leaks a little oil from a seal, but other than that, it idles like a purring kitten and it accelerates like a roaring tiger.

The BIG differences between the Vega and the Benz engine: (1)Benz's superior manufacturing process and (2) the engine's heavy duty construction and great cooling system.

I hope to be able to get as much mileage out of my 1999 SLS as I did from my Benz. :worship:

Right now the SLS is hardly broken in, it only has 12K miles on the odo.

Ralph
01-30-04, 07:15 PM
news to me anthony, i learn something from you every day ... not sure where i heard the teflon deal .

ralphie i did a report on "how john deloren influenced the auto industry " ill post it here later today

:worship:

Night Wolf
01-30-04, 09:17 PM
http://www.forbes.com/2004/01/23/cx_dl_0126featslide.html

tru504187211
01-30-04, 10:01 PM
why didn't any and/or all mini-vans ever produced make the list??