: '04 Info From GM site



peccles
03-24-03, 03:06 PM
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/brandsel.jsp?year=2004&regionID=1

The above link contains all online ordering info
for '04 models. Go to Cadillac, then select
model.

2 surprises for the '04 CTS:

1. Retain 3.2L V6 but have 3.6L as an option

2. So far no manual for the 3.6L

Brett
03-24-03, 04:11 PM
that is a very interesting site...seems like it should be password protected or something...i felt sneaky just being on it....looks like white diamond has been replaced by white lightning on Sevilles

HotRodSaint
03-24-03, 09:12 PM
This is a cool site.

I'm going to move it to the non-model specific section so more people will access it.

Maybe the mod there could stick it. ;-)

GordonB
03-26-03, 01:01 PM
OK, I went to the site and looked at the CTS orewring info, saw both the 3.2 and optional 3.6 V-6 engines, but where or where is the long-awaited V-8? From my off-line digging, the word I hear is 4th quarter 2003.

peccles
03-26-03, 04:52 PM
I would expect the CTS-V info to show up when the V series package
is finalized (maybe 6 months). I was surprised to see SRX info but no
XLR info.

GordonB
03-28-03, 09:25 AM
Does anyone know where the new CTS 3.6L V-6 comes from? Is it used by any other GM product or will we run the risk of being a guinea pig or test market for something untried? I know that the 3.2L V-6 is a reworked Catera 3.0L V-6, but I have no clue about the 3.6L engine.

GordonB
03-28-03, 10:31 AM
To all:
Here is what I have gleaned on the 3.6L V-6 engine. It is for the CTS and SRX.

1. Here is info from the Noth American International Auto Show 2003:
The 3.6L V-6 VVT makes 260 (preliminary) horsepower at 6500 rpm and 252 lbs.-ft. of torque at 2800 rpm. The 60-degree dual overhead cam (DOHC), 24-valve powerplant boasts a number of performance refinements, including electronic throttle control, variable valve timing, multi-port fuel injection, two-stage roller chain cam drive, aluminum block and cylinder heads and a forged steel crankshaft.
2. From Cadillac Communications,
For the 2004 model year, CTS will receive numerous refinements, including the addition of an all-new 3.6L V-6 Variable Valve Timing (VVT) engine and redesigned instrument cluster. CTS will also be the first to receive Cadillac's "V-Series" treatment, which will allow the brand to compete for the first time in the prestigious high-performance luxury arena.

Personal Opinion: I wish Cadillac would stick with a couple of good engines and not try to have us be their proving grounds. Remember the 4.1L V-8 in the RWD Sedan deVille and Fleetwood? Guess what replaced it after GM went to FWD for Olds, Buick, Cadillac (replacing the RWD 98/88, etc.) -- the Olds 5.0L V-8 (307) and the Chevy 5.7L V-8 (350). I realize that they have a physical space limitation in the CTS between the fenders/front wheels. I'll bet the 3.8L V-6, Supercharged engine, would fit quite well in there.

Net, Net, 3.6L is a 60 degree V-6 NEW engine with VVT. Anyone want to gamble $40 Large on this baby? Not me, I'll wait for the tried and true 5.7L V-8 in the new V-series. I know what the track record (no pun intended) of that engine is! I have one already and it is bullet proof.

Scrapyard
03-29-03, 02:23 PM
[QUOTE]Remember the 4.1L V-8 in the RWD Sedan deVille and Fleetwood?[/QOUTE]

Don't remind me. that was one of the biggest abortions GM ever decided to experiment with. And my dumb ass decided to replace it with another one. Luckly I sold the car befor it developed any problems. I'm with you on using the SC 3800. Hell if they're gona produce an LS1 powered version anyway, then just shuve an NA 3800 in there standard and call it a day. Keep development costs down at least. Although in the typical history of Cadillac and it's customers new ideas and cutting edge gizmos are typicaly tested in the new platforms. And that's what customers like and they can usually afford the repair bill too.

Jinx
03-31-03, 01:22 PM
The target market for CTS would never buy a pushrod 3.8L Buick motor.

CTS' engine must be perceived as new and high-tech or it won't sell.

The new "high-feature" V6 will show up in several GM vehicles, ultimately replacing the old 3800 Series II.

.Jinx

Brett
03-31-03, 01:38 PM
jinx hit the nail on the head, if cadillac wants to compete with BMW they cant do it with pushrods. perception is reality