: Eenie, meanie, minie, moe... Oh, no!



BeelzeBob
01-23-04, 04:15 PM
If this case somehow even MAKES it through the justice system, I'm moving to Canada. :rolleyes:

from CNS News:
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Children's Nursery Rhyme Triggers Racial Discrimination Lawsuit
Marc Morano
Senior Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) - A Southwest Airlines flight attendant's use of a popular children's rhyme - "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe" - has resulted in a federal racial discrimination lawsuit against the airline filed by two African American women asking for unspecified financial damages.

One of the two women suing over the allegedly offensive nursery rhyme claims hearing the rhyme caused her to be bedridden for three days and suffer from "unexplained memory gaps," according to court documents.

The trial was supposed to start Tuesday in Kansas City, Kan., but U.S. District Court Judge Kathryn Vratil delayed the case until Sept. 29.

Southwest Airline passengers Louise Sawyer and Grace Fuller allege they suffered racial discrimination on the flight in February 2001 when flight attendant Jennifer Cundiff said over the plane's intercom, "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe; pick a seat, we gotta go." The two women say they were the only passengers standing in the aisle at the time.

Sawyer and Fuller said that as soon as they heard the rhyme, they were reminded of the racist version that starts with the phrase: "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe; catch a ****** by his toe ..."

A more modern version of the nursery rhyme substitutes the offensive phrase with the words, "Catch a tiger by the toe." The rhyme is traditionally used by children to pick someone who will be "it." According to at least one word and phrase historian, the original rhyme using the n-word dates back to about the mid-19th century.

Sawyer and Fuller, who are sisters, had also originally alleged physical and emotional distress as a result of the nursery rhyme but earlier this year, Judge Vratil dismissed that aspect of the lawsuit, narrowing the complaint to the issue of discrimination.

"The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the phrase 'eenie, meenie, minie, moe' could reasonably be viewed as objectively racist and offensive," Vratil stated in court papers. "The jury, however, must decide whether Cundiff's remark was racist or simply a benign and innocent attempt at humor."

Cundiff, who is white, disputes that Sawyer and Fuller were the only ones standing on the crowded flight. Cundiff said she had been using the rhyme on several different flights as a humorous way to get passengers to sit. Southwest Airlines employees are known for their folksy manner and casual atmosphere.

Scott A. Wissel, the Kansas City, Mo., attorney representing Sawyer and Fuller, declined to comment for this article.

But according to court documents, Sawyer said she was "infuriated by the [nursery rhyme] comment" and said fellow passengers giggled after it was said, making her feel alienated.

'Unexplained Memory Gaps'

Fuller believes Cundiff intentionally singled out her and her sister. "It was like I was too dumb to find a seat," Fuller complained in the court papers.

Fuller, who has epilepsy, said she was so unnerved by the nursery rhyme that her hands trembled during the trip and she has experienced "unexplained memory gaps" about the flight ever since.

Fuller also maintains that the nursery rhyme incident caused her to be bedridden for three days because she suffered a "grand mal seizure." However, Fuller said she could not medically verify the incident because as a result of lacking health insurance, she did not seek medical help for the seizure.

Cundiff wrote a report about the incident as part of a Southwest Airlines' internal investigation.

"The statement I made on Flight 524 was not racist or discriminating, and I am offended that because I have white skin, suddenly I am a racist," Cundiff wrote. "Maybe those that run around pointing fingers yelling racist should stop and turn that finger around."

Southwest agreed with Cundiff and does not believe the phrase was racist or that she acted inappropriately. Even though Southwest did not ask her to stop saying the rhyme, Cundiff said she stopped because of the controversy.

Wissel said he is trying to get the courts to prohibit Southwest Airlines employees from using the nursery rhyme and force the airline to provide employee training to prevent future racial controversies.

Wissel's clients, Sawyer and Fuller, are seeking an unspecified financial amount in compensatory and punitive damages.

'Ridiculous Lawsuit'

The lawsuit has provided critics of the American legal system more ammunition for their tort reform battle.

"Seems sort of a ridiculous lawsuit, but this is the rise of this litigious culture, where people look to sue at the most insignificant remark," said Steve Lilienthal, spokesman for the Free Congress Foundation (FCF). The group just hosted a seminar last week on Capitol Hill focusing on what it considers the explosion of frivolous lawsuits in America.

"There is no real racist connotation in the phrase. How can you view [that phrase] as being racist? It just doesn't make sense. Most people would look at this lawsuit and be dumbfounded," Lilienthal said.

He sees this lawsuit as part of a larger cultural problem, "one more sign of people who are simply looking to sue," Lilienthal explained. "There is a whole grievance industry set up based on the increasing use of litigation."

This is not the first time the "eenie, meenie, mienie, moe" nursery rhyme has come under fire. In 2002, government officials in University City, Mo., a suburb of St. Louis, printed a calendar that had a cover photo of the feet of five children, one bare and the others with shoes with a caption reading, "Eeny ... meeny ... miny ... moe" (alternate spelling). Most of the kids in the photo were African American.

After a city employee complained that the calendar was racially offensive, the city reprinted all 18,000 copies of the calendar with the photo deleted, according to the Kansas City Star.

MMNineInchNails
01-23-04, 06:30 PM
how ****ing stupid.

HotRodSaint
01-23-04, 06:47 PM
I saw last night that Chink's Philly Cheesesteaks, in business since 1949 using the name of the founders nickname, is being pressured by a 20 something Korean chick because the name is offensive to her.

Whaaaaaaa...:crying2:

Can't anyone find any real civil rights issues?

ShadowLvr400
01-23-04, 08:20 PM
Turning into a country of whiners... Why couldn't these people remove themselves from the genepool?

Ralph
01-24-04, 02:34 AM
Up here you cannot sue for things like this, BUT you can get into trouble for saying something politically incorrect! When we were children, we played Cowboys and Indians. Now a parent would be in trouble unless they say Cowboys and Aboriginals! Yet, on the Native banks, it says "Indian?" In the U.S. I think you still say "Eskimo?" WE have to say "Inuit." Six years ago in University I said "Eskimo" while talking to a friend, some women gasped! I knew then and there that I should have been born 75 years earlier, this is not my time, and it's only getting worse! :bonkers:

These people just want a quick buck! It is seen as "the American Way." (from my perception)

Could have this lawsuit been avoided if the flight attendant said "Tiger?"

HotRodSaint
01-24-04, 09:53 AM
Maybe the stewardess ..gasp.. did I just say stewardess? I'm so, so very, very, very sorry. I really meant to say, maybe the flight attendant should have used another childrens rhyme.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

HotRodSaint
01-24-04, 09:55 AM
Up here you cannot sue for things like this, BUT you can get into trouble for saying something politically incorrect! When we were children, we played Cowboys and Indians. Now a parent would be in trouble unless they say Cowboys and Aboriginals! Yet, on the Native banks, it says "Indian?" In the U.S. I think you still say "Eskimo?" WE have to say "Inuit." Six years ago in University I said "Eskimo" while talking to a friend, some women gasped! I knew then and there that I should have been born 75 years earlier, this is not my time, and it's only getting worse! :bonkers:

These people just want a quick buck! It is seen as "the American Way." (from my perception)

Could have this lawsuit been avoided if the flight attendant said "Tiger?"
I take it you guys don't have Eskimo Pies in the ice cream section? :cookoo:

Stoneage_Caddy
01-24-04, 11:08 AM
im surprised mac donalds hasnt been sued over there "all white meat" chicken nuggets

im thinking about sueing ritz , im offended by the term cracker

MMNineInchNails
01-24-04, 12:12 PM
im surprised mac donalds hasnt been sued over there "all white meat" chicken nuggets

im thinking about sueing ritz , im offended by the term cracker

yeah, but a white guy couldn't get away with it because they'd just call him silly. If it was a black guy or asian being affended by something, it'd totally be a case.

Elvis
01-24-04, 12:17 PM
I have to confess, when I was growing up we never hesitated to use the "N-word." Never considered it offensive, and really didn't care who did until somebody explained it. We did eventually quit using "eenie meenie miney moe." That was only about 30 years ago.

If he hollers, let him go.

El Dobro
01-24-04, 03:09 PM
Eenie, meenie, minie , moe. Aren't they the Pep Boys?

Stoneage_Caddy
01-24-04, 04:26 PM
i think the was manny joe and jack .....damn that part time job i had 7 years ago

tru504187211
01-24-04, 05:08 PM
Anything for money.

BeelzeBob
01-24-04, 05:31 PM
Cracker! Eskimo! Cowboys and Indians! Stewardess!

Didn't you mean Flight Technician? :p

And yes, let's sue Ritz for "Cracker". How offensive..

This is really just so stupid. This has to stop somewhere before Freedom of Speech is just a meaningless phrase..

Sure, we have the Freedom to go out and kill somebody. But that doesn't mean we'll get away with it. We have the Freedom to go into work on Monday and tell the Boss to go "F" himself.. Still, we'll pay the consequences before society has rules.. But when you can't say "Eskimo, Indian, Stewardess" or whatever else have you - without getting sued - something is just very wrong...

Heck, maybe it's not such a bad thing. I could get used to a very quiet planet.

Brett
01-24-04, 06:34 PM
If the lady would have just said "Sit the F*** down" that would apparently be acceptable, but no nursery rhymes dammit

Elvis
01-24-04, 07:10 PM
Actually, the male "stewards" have requested that their name be changed as well. From now on, they shall be referred to as "in-flight AIDS."

SLS97
01-24-04, 11:29 PM
Actually, the male "stewards" have requested that their name be changed as well. From now on, they shall be referred to as "in-flight AIDS."
**This is not a joking matter. It shows very poor character..

Stoneage_Caddy
01-24-04, 11:49 PM
explain ? of what is not a joking matter ? the thing about male stewardesses or the whole thread ? one i could understand the other i would have to blame on my multiple concussions

Ralph
01-25-04, 01:03 AM
I take it you guys don't have Eskimo Pies in the ice cream section? :cookoo:


Not unless they are called Inuit Pies. :D

We have almost completely lost our "freedom of speech." If I am an Anglaphone (speak english) living in Quebec, and I put up an english "For Sale" sign on my house, I will be fined and/or go to jail! They are called "the language police," and I never thought I would see the day something so stupid would happen! If you get government job, most of them require that you know French!! Why the hell should I have to learn French for a job I will have in english-speaking Canada!!?? I will never ever see Quebec, or France for that matter.

There was a reporter in eastern Canada who was just jailed because she dug-up too much information on someone and published an opinion!! Aren't reporters supposed to be able to do that? Isn't it their job!!?? Naw, it's only going to get worse IMO. The police are going through her house looking for ? Whatever. :rolleyes: :cookoo:

Elvis
01-25-04, 01:35 AM
Aw jeez I've gone and offended somebody again. :(

Ralph
01-25-04, 02:21 AM
Aw jeez I've gone and offended somebody again. :(

Don't worry about it, I'm still trying to figure out what to call my female mail man! I think I'll call her the "mailmanlady." :histeric: :devil:

(see, by doing this, I take some heat off, Elvis) :yawn:

Elvis
01-25-04, 10:45 AM
Probably not, Ralphie. You're going to have to do better than that one. Or worse.

But thanks for trying.

c5 rv
01-25-04, 11:32 AM
I guess for once I'm too young for something. I never knew the nursery rhyme had any other word in it than tiger.

Stoneage_Caddy
01-25-04, 11:18 PM
"and I put up an english "For Sale" sign on my house, I will be fined and/or go to jail! "

SO WHAT HAPPEND IN CANDIAN BACON WITH THE GRAFFITI ON THERE TRUCK IS TRUE ??? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Ralph
01-26-04, 01:03 AM
"and I put up an english "For Sale" sign on my house, I will be fined and/or go to jail! "

SO WHAT HAPPEND IN CANDIAN BACON WITH THE GRAFFITI ON THERE TRUCK IS TRUE ??? HAHAHAHAHAHA

You got that right army Dude! :p That's only in Quebec though, they are a STRANGE Province IMO. :D Because we are a bi-lingual country (2 official languages) for some jobs out west WE have to know French! Quebec can take their French and @#^&*($^#% , ^$#@#*^%^E&!!!!!!! :devil: :lildevil: :mad: :hide:

banstyle
01-27-04, 01:24 AM
...We have almost completely lost our "freedom of speech."...

You better believe it. The major change hasn't been that we're not allowed to say what we want to say. The problem is that over time, people have realized that they can exploit the system to their advantage if they show themselves to be a victim, thus speech has become something to be victimized through.

It boils down to a culture that now believes that it's your right to bust in on other people's business. Privacy is eroded slowly because the government adds more control, and people sadly see the government as a reliable indicator and something to look up to. So when people see the government being nosier, they become nosier.

This of course boils further down to the simple fact that, most Americans (including some of Canada), are fu-cking ignorant and lazie-faire. They don't care about the laws. They don't care about the government. This makes it easier for the government to control more aspects of your life.

Your freedom is never removed all at once.

Pardon the language, but our countries are filling to the brim with pussies. No thanks to all the power-hungry self-payraising pork-billed morons we've put in office in the past 50 years, who have an agenda in removing our right to be free-thinking people. And a big thank you to every as-shole who doesn't vote.

Ugh. This is one of those touchy subjects for me. :D

Here are some nuggets to chew on:

Politics is about hoarding the ignorant.
Those who seek positions of power are those who shouldn't be in power.
Exercise your rights, or watch them be infringed upon.
Always question authority.

Remember: Hitler was voted into power by fair election.

PS: Get rid of that forum anti-swearing thing. Some of us are grown-up enough to know when it's appropriate to swear, and when it's not. :annoyed:

Ralph
01-27-04, 02:21 AM
You better believe it. The major change hasn't been that we're not allowed to say what we want to say. The problem is that over time, people have realized that they can exploit the system to their advantage if they show themselves to be a victim, thus speech has become something to be victimized through.

It boils down to a culture that now believes that it's your right to bust in on other people's business. Privacy is eroded slowly because the government adds more control, and people sadly see the government as a reliable indicator and something to look up to. So when people see the government being nosier, they become nosier.

This of course boils further down to the simple fact that, most Americans (including some of Canada), are fu-cking ignorant and lazie-faire. They don't care about the laws. They don't care about the government. This makes it easier for the government to control more aspects of your life.

Your freedom is never removed all at once.

Pardon the language, but our countries are filling to the brim with pussies. No thanks to all the power-hungry self-payraising pork-billed morons we've put in office in the past 50 years, who have an agenda in removing our right to be free-thinking people. And a big thank you to every as-shole who doesn't vote.

Ugh. This is one of those touchy subjects for me. :D

Here are some nuggets to chew on:

Politics is about hoarding the ignorant.
Those who seek positions of power are those who shouldn't be in power.
Exercise your rights, or watch them be infringed upon.
Always question authority.

Remember: Hitler was voted into power by fair election.

PS: Get rid of that forum anti-swearing thing. Some of us are grown-up enough to know when it's appropriate to swear, and when it's not. :annoyed:

Ya, a lot of political issues are touchy for me, but I am starting to get to a point where I am just fed up with fighting and worrying about it.
All you can do is vote, then the guy you vote for starts to lie. LOL. I call it "the brainwashing of modern people." As long as people have their sports on tv and their big V8's they (and I) are happy. But some things can slowly dwindle away if we are too "content" with the status quo. (ie 2nd Ammendment) I saw CNN regarding the Florida, and Presidential voting, and only something like half (?) of the U.S. actually exercises their right to vote? People faught and died for this freedom!

People seem to trust and expect that the government will take care of you. Do you know that the Liberals under Jean Cretian have taken my generation's pension fund for the future and actually LOST most of it trying to invest in the Stock Market! This is money that should never be touched, it is for the future! Yet, people keep on voting them in and that pis**es me off but what can you do about it?! All is forgotten and forgiven 2 weeks later. :rolleyes:

Regarding freedom of speech, I'll never forget on the news a couple of years ago Cretian was "jogging" up the moveable steps to go up into an airplane, he tripped, and promptly warned the reported to not show that "goof" on the evening news! It was shown, yet people forgive and forget 2 weeks later, and all seems to be forgotten. Aren't reporters supposed to report things as they happen? I guess not.

I equate the Liberal Party in Canada with the Democrats in the U.S. To me, they are the softies. They both have similar platforms regarding plans for the future. I get too angry talking about this and the vein in my head is about to burst, so.................... :bighead:

Stoneage_Caddy
01-27-04, 01:45 PM
if we get rid of the anti cussin program here it may get ugly , i have been known to out cuss most sailors (lived at a navy base for awhile)

Ralph
01-27-04, 05:49 PM
if we get rid of the anti cussin program here it may get ugly , i have been known to out cuss most sailors (lived at a navy base for awhile)
That's true!! Ever notice how "cussing" takes the edge of the stress off? ;)

Stoneage_Caddy
01-27-04, 11:20 PM
Damn Right !!!

by the way whats/whos that in your avatar ? you dressing in drag again ?

Ralph
01-28-04, 12:31 AM
Damn Right !!!

by the way whats/whos that in your avatar ? you dressing in drag again ?

:histeric: Trust me, I NEVER looked THAT good in drag! :p LOL!!

It's that darn balcony of mine, I have to seal it off or something because all these women keep scaling it and trying to break into my bedroom window!!! It's getting to be a real annoyance. :coolgleam :D I might even have to fend all of them off like this :Poke:

Stoneage_Caddy
01-28-04, 12:34 PM
yah i bet whipping out your stick scares the ladies away ....laughing

just playing my little frozen freind ....

Ralph
01-29-04, 01:44 AM
yah i bet whipping out your stick scares the ladies away ....laughing

just playing my little frozen freind ....

LOL!! You're right about the frozen thing, not the other. ;)

I'm sorry, I won't josh ya, that's not my balcony. I wish it was!! It's Canadian supermodel and actress Natasha Henstridge. (Ghosts of Mars, Species, etc.) She is from Alberta, and obviously one of the most beautiful women on the planet! I will occasionally be dazzling everyone with more pics of her in my avatar! :worship: