A long time has passed since placing my order but the Huggers have finally arrived!

Many of you know that Pete of Cadillac MotorSports purchased the manufacturing rights and design from Lund Performance Cadillac. He bought the remaining inventory of headers and header parts. Pete offered the Forum a Group Buy price for the 3.6 VVT design. He also took names for a 3.2 design which to date has not been designed but the plan is in place.

I plan to install the Huggers/Hi-Flow Cats hopefully in 10 days. I'll post what the installation went like and how well they perform.

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/Lund.jpg

Is the pic of the actual headers you received (they still say Lund on them). If so, I presume they're part of his buy from Lund and had them Jet Hot coated, etc., just like SDMarine's. Has Pete successfully 'cloned' a set for the 3.6L yet? That's very important for us lowly 3.2L guys, since no headers exist to take a pattern off of. Our engines are 11% smaller, so the tube diameter (and possibly lengths) will need to be different (~1/8" smaller), as well as the flange that mounts to the head.

Cloning 3.6L headers will be easy compared to developing them for the 3.2L from scratch.

You are gonna have to buy more dynamat and really need that upgraded stereo system :thumbsup:

Have fun installing and watch those knuckles :rant2:

Is the pic of the actual headers you received (they still say Lund on them). If so, I presume they're part of his buy from Lund and had them Jet Hot coated, etc., just like SDMarine's. Has Pete successfully 'cloned' a set for the 3.6L yet? That's very important for us lowly 3.2L guys, since no headers exist to take a pattern off of. Our engines are 11% smaller, so the tube diameter (and possibly lengths) will need to be different (~1/8" smaller), as well as the flange that mounts to the head.

Cloning 3.6L headers will be easy compared to developing them for the 3.2L from scratch.

I think Pete bought like 6 completed headers and I'm not sure how many parts were in the inventory. He's connected to a lot of Cadillac dealers for selling his merchandise, so I'm not sure how many has already shipped.

These are installed from under the car so a lift is a must. The install takes a lot of time so I've elected for my Dealer to install the huggers.

Pete says the Huggers really don't make the exhaust any louder. I was concerned about that. I may have to Dynamat the fire wall. We'll see.

Do u have any pics of the cats and huggers u can post...

Do u have any pics of the cats and huggers u can post...

Come on Bishop..it was in the very first post of the thread!

Ahhh Bob, there's no pictures in ur initial thread..... Just one big X, the pics didnt load right.

Ahhh Bob, there's no pictures in ur initial thread..... Just one big X, the pics didnt load right.

I can see it. Anybody else? Here it is again.

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/Lund.jpg

Ahhh Bob, there's no pictures in ur initial thread..... Just one big X, the pics didnt load right.

Maybe there is something wrong with your PC. it loaded good on mine. NIce pic. Very shinny. :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric:

Very well could be my PC, I'm having trouble with my server at the moment so that's probably it. I'll recheck after my server issue has been fixed.

And dude (Estrivera), u may want to resize ur sig photo, its HUGE...

NICE!!!!!!! Let me know how it handles!!! See if you can get a dyno going on after installation :)

Since the 3.6 & 2.8 are of same design, It seems logical that they would fit the 2.8?

That header says "LUND" on it. So is CMS required to keep the name LUND on the headers it custom manufactures? OR are the headers you recieved actually NOS from Lund?

That header says "LUND" on it. So is CMS required to keep the name LUND on the headers it custom manufactures? OR are the headers you recieved actually NOS from Lund?

See the first post. He is still using the Lund stock he bought. He has a lot of exhaust flanges with the Lund name on them. When that supply is used up I'm sure it's more than likely you'll see CMS name.

Those look sexy.

You can't see it in this pic but CMS polishes the inside of the header and applies the Jet Hot coating. It's a smooth as a new baby's butt.:)

those are the one manufactured by LUND.
so these are resales.

man if i bought flanges from lingenfelter and made headers out of them and sold them his legal department would be ALLLLLLL over me.

those are the one manufactured by LUND.
so these are resales.

man if i bought flanges from lingenfelter and made headers out of them and sold them his legal department would be ALLLLLLL over me.

All of that is explained in this thread Kael. CMS bought the Lund inventory, paid off Lund's debt to the Engineering Company that designed them. Lund no longer has any claims on these headers. Currently they are the only headers available for the Cadillac CTS 3.6. CMS them polishes the interior of the headers to a mirror finish and sends them out for the Hot Jet finish. I'm really pleased with what I see. Can't wait to get them on:bouncy:

They look good Rob. I'm trying to resist buying them. I am waiting for an automatic CTS-V, but the temptation to purchase these is hard to resist. If they don't end up making a CTS-V auto, then I may go with a BMW M6 conv. when it becomes available.

They look good Rob. I'm trying to resist buying them. I am waiting for an automatic CTS-V, but the temptation to purchase these is hard to resist. If they don't end up making a CTS-V auto, then I may go with a BMW M6 conv. when it becomes available.

Nope on the krautmobile. Thought about the GTO with the same engine and a hydromatic tranny?

Pontiac's don't do it for me. There are only a few cars within my reach that I like enough to purchase. The six series and seven series BMW, and of course the CTS and STS-V.

Pontiac's don't do it for me. There are only a few cars within my reach that I like enough to purchase. The six series and seven series BMW, and of course the CTS and STS-V.

Doesn't the STS-V SC 469HP have an outragious price tag?:eek: $77,000

dude. i was kinda with mbai2 on this. i really wanted the headers but was strangely relieved at the possibility they might now be developed for the 3.2, thus saving us 2g's. wonder what the 3.2L story is. if it's anymore than a year (which is also reasonable for an R&D), i might have to pull my order and drive her as she is...hmmm...

awesome deal about them coming. how ironic the timing is, no?

Robert, what do you see when you look inside the cats? Do you see something that looks like wires strung like a tennis racket?

Robert, what do you see when you look inside the cats? Do you see something that looks like wires strung like a tennis racket?

Hmmmm..I looked quickly last night but only noticed you can't see thru them.
What's with the string thing you mentioned? Bring me up to your speed.:)

dude. i was kinda with mbai2 on this. i really wanted the headers but was strangely relieved at the possibility they might now be developed for the 3.2, thus saving us 2g's. wonder what the 3.2L story is. if it's anymore than a year (which is also reasonable for an R&D), i might have to pull my order and drive her as she is...hmmm...

awesome deal about them coming. how ironic the timing is, no?

If it were me I'd let the order stand for a while longer. I'm sure you would have no trouble selling them.

those are the one manufactured by LUND.
so these are resales.

man if i bought flanges from lingenfelter and made headers out of them and sold them his legal department would be ALLLLLLL over me.
Not necessarily. It all depends on what's in the purchase/sale contract. For example, right now if I install those headers and there is a manufacturing defect, although the name Lund is on it,I bet you if I sue Lund they would tell me to go screw myself and sue CMS...so it all depends on what CMS and Lund agreed to in their contract

A long time has passed since placing my order but the Huggers have finally arrived!
Congrats. I wonder when CMS will be taking payment for the remainder of the balance due. I had only put down an initial deposit so I'm sure I won't be seeing anything till I'm fully paid up...Maybe another round of e-mails with invoices will be coming soon

Bob, I had Bonez cats on my Mazda RX-7 turbo that instead of being a canister of ceramic pellets were fine platinum wires strung closely together across the chamber in numerous places but unwoven like screen. They worked fine and produced little restriction.

i think robert should hold the huggers in his hand and take a picture of himself with a big smile on his face...then post it...

So what will this do for power on the Vader Robert? Estimate is just fine....

And if they do come out for the 3.2L would it be around same number of increase performance, or a little less since the difference between 3.2L and 3.6L?

:eek: And what the hell are these things and what do they do??? :)

So what will this do for power on the Vader Robert? Estimate is just fine....

And if they do come out for the 3.2L would it be around same number of increase performance, or a little less since the difference between 3.2L and 3.6L?

:eek: And what the hell are these things and what do they do??? :)

Kali,
Headers attach directly to the exhaust ports on your engine. Next in line are your catalitic converts(CATS). Next is you V Exhaust. Thats the entire exhaust. You want everything to be as smooth as possible to scavenge the gases as quickly as possible. Headers are a way of doing this. I'm guessing I'll bump my 255HP +CAI= 280HP

i think robert should hold the huggers in his hand and take a picture of himself with a big smile on his face...then post it...

Are you being a skeptic and want to see me with the headers?:)

Bob, I had Bonez cats on my Mazda RX-7 turbo that instead of being a canister of ceramic pellets were fine platinum wires strung closely together across the chamber in numerous places but unwoven like screen. They worked fine and produced little restriction.

I looked into the Cats to see. I'm sure you know what corrugated cardboard looks like. It is a really fine corrugated material wrapped into a spiral and running the length of the CAT. Make any sense?

Kali,
Headers attach directly to the exhaust ports on your engine. Next in line are your catalitic converts(CATS). Next is you V Exhaust. Thats the entire exhaust. You want everything to be as smooth as possible to scavenge the gases as quickly as possible. Headers are a way of doing this. I'm guessing I'll bump my 255HP +CAI= 280HP

Wow, that's cool Robert!!! :thumbsup:

So how much would something like that be for the 3.2L CTS if they become available, would it be along the same price line as for the 3.6L?

Wow, that's cool Robert!!! :thumbsup:

So how much would something like that be for the 3.2L CTS if they become available, would it be along the same price line as for the 3.6L?

I have no idea Kali but I imagine it would be inline with the 3.6 version, $1700. I imagine the install would be about 5hrsx$80= $400. Pete thinks this is a tough install and should be done by a licensed mechanic. I wouldn't be surprised if Ody did his own.

Expensive but where else can you get that kinda power for these Cadi engines?

Hey Robert, How good is the Macro lens on your camera? Can you take a picture of the inside of the cats?

Nice Headers, when they come out for the 3.2, I'm gonna be interested in seeing the numbers from a dyno. This has got me damn excited! :)

Hey Robert, How good is the Macro lens on your camera? Can you take a picture of the inside of the cats?

Nice Headers, when they come out for the 3.2, I'm gonna be interested in seeing the numbers from a dyno. This has got me damn excited! :)

Yes, I have a macro lens but the real problem will be lighting. The camera blocks most incoming light. I have to think about that. I have a camera tripod. That might help.:hmm: The corrugated material is a dark grey. So the contrast ratio of chrome and dark grey might present some problems.

Yes, I have a macro lens but the real problem will be lighting. The camera blocks most incoming light. I have to think about that. I have a camera tripod. That might help.:hmm: The corrugated material is a dark grey. So the contrast ratio of chrome and dark grey might present some problems.

Flashlight? Shoplight? Sunlight?

Flashlight? Shoplight? Sunlight?

Fiber optics would be cool. The light source has to illuminate the inside of the cat. You have to have the Camera directly infront of the opening at a fairly close range. Any light behind me or the camera will cast shadows.:mad: Maybe I can play with some bounce lighting. A flash may be to intense. Industrial photograhy was part of my job for 24 years at AT&T. I could dig out my film camera and do some long exposures but that's a bit much for this cause.

I agree! Put the conspiracy to rest. Lets see a picture of bob holding them. I think the general consensus is that you really dont have them. We all know how tight you and Pete are, so either you were first to get them or he sent you a picture.

Actually SDM was the first. I'm the first on the group buy. I'll see what I can come up with for the Naysayers. Actually I could post a pic of Pete holding them as no one has met Pete other than The OLD ROAD DAWG.

Go down to Mcdonalds and get Ronald McDonald to hold one of them up with one hand and the other flipping everyone off.

Not saying to flip everyone off to say hey I got them and here is the bird, because frankly I have no opinion on whether not they are there or not.

I just want to see a clown hold a header in one hand and flip everyone off in the other, just one of my goals in life.

Go down to Mcdonalds and get Ronald McDonald to hold one of them up with one hand and the other flipping everyone off.

Not saying to flip everyone off to say hey I got them and here is the bird, because frankly I have no opinion on whether not they are there or not.

I just want to see a clown hold a header in one hand and flip everyone off in the other, just one of my goals in life.
lol :p

:yeah: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: Robert why dont you just take another pic "for tha haters" (thats propper usage). Does this guy have any more available?

:yeah: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: Robert why dont you just take another pic "for tha haters" (thats propper usage). Does this guy have any more available?

Geez!!..now I have to be creative?:confused:

I agree! Put the conspiracy to rest. Lets see a picture of bob holding them. I think the general consensus is that you really dont have them. We all know how tight you and Pete are, so either you were first to get them or he sent you a picture.
I say that the CTS that DubbedStealth has shown us pictures of belongs to the dealer he works at. None of his pictures ever show him near or in the car. It is a demo model that he takes pictures of and posts on the forum.....Put the conspiracy to rest and take a pic of you in the car....D, you know I'm kiddin' right.....I told you I was gonna bust on you for planting these conspiracy seeds on the forum....I know it's your ride, I've seen it, I've driven in it etc...but you get my point??? If I'm in OC this week end I may drop by...Later bro!

I say that the CTS that DubbedStealth has shown us pictures of belongs to the dealer he works at. None of his pictures ever show him near or in the car. It is a demo model that he takes pictures of and posts on the forum.....Put the conspiracy to rest and take a pic of you in the car....D, you know I'm kiddin' right.....I told you I was gonna bust on you for planting these conspiracy seeds on the forum....I know it's your ride, I've seen it, I've driven in it etc...but you get my point??? If I'm in OC this week end I may drop by...Later bro!
Well, as mikesharon requested, maybe it's only fair that Dubbed have Ronald McDonald sitting in his car with his arm extended out of the window flipping everybody off?

I say that the CTS that DubbedStealth has shown us pictures of belongs to the dealer he works at. None of his pictures ever show him near or in the car. It is a demo model that he takes pictures of and posts on the forum.....Put the conspiracy to rest and take a pic of you in the car....D, you know I'm kiddin' right.....I told you I was gonna bust on you for planting these conspiracy seeds on the forum....I know it's your ride, I've seen it, I've driven in it etc...but you get my point??? If I'm in OC this week end I may drop by...Later bro!

So PJ, How much is DS paying you for this cover up? His STS-V is fictitious too, right?:D

Ronald McDonald is one crazy mofo, dont put him in your car. Not only will your car reek of hamburger and fries but he will burn a whole in your interior with those massive stogies he smokes.

Hmmm....im starting to think that maybe those Mcdonalds my folks took me to as a kid wherent actually Mcdonalds, cause back then Ronald McDonald was known as Jeff and my folks wouldnt let me go near him.

Ronald McDonald is one crazy mofo, dont put him in your car. Not only will your car reek of hamburger and fries but he will burn a whole in your interior with those massive stogies he smokes.

Hmmm....im starting to think that maybe those Mcdonalds my folks took me to as a kid wherent actually Mcdonalds, cause back then Ronald McDonald was known as Jeff and my folks wouldnt let me go near him.

Jeff..? I don't get it?:confused:

I will come up with something. It's something Pete would never do.

Jeff..? I don't get it?:confused:

I will come up with something. It's something Pete would never do.

YES, I admit it, it was me!!!

take a pic of you holding the header in 1 hand
and make a sign saying "I <3 urbanski" for the other hand :p

take a pic of you holding the header in 1 hand
and make a sign saying "I <3 urbanski" for the other hand :p
Hey Urby the Love V, aren't you supposed to be somewhere hitting something with your V ;)

Hey Urby the Love V, aren't you supposed to be somewhere hitting something with your V ;)

Urby has a fetish for hitting fences...right Urby?:D

AHAHA darn you guys :p

i still don't have my wheels back from fence collision #2 in january :p

AHAHA darn you guys :p

i still don't have my wheels back from fence collision #2 in january :p
Well, at least we've come up with three scenarios:

1) Ronald McDonald holding the headers while flipping the bird.

2) Ronald McDonald sitting in Dubbed's CTS while flipping the bird.

3) Urby running over Ronald McDonald while flipping the bird.

That about covers this thread.

The way I drive, Ronald wouldn't be able to hold-on and flip the bird....
Hey, maybe I could take the pic...Not like I haven't experienced "the way you drive" first hand.....On second thoughts, I'd need both hands to keep up with you, so I'll pass on taking the pic...:bouncy:

I don't post that often but these hugger headers and CMS have tweaked my interest. As far as i can tell from the previous posts the group buy on the huggers ended on 01-20-06. So, in the past 4 months CMS has delivered one set of headers to RobertCMS. Is their anyone out their currently running anything from CMS.

Is their anyone out their currently running anything from CMS.
Are you referring to just CMC huggers? If so SDMarineguy also has the CMS huggers and big brake kit. I am runninig CMS cross-drilled cyro-treated rotors.

Still no pictures of ronald mcdonald flipping anyone the bird...i'm very dissappointed. :)

Well, at least we've come up with three scenarios:

1) Ronald McDonald holding the headers while flipping the bird.

2) Ronald McDonald sitting in Dubbed's CTS while flipping the bird.

3) Urby running over Ronald McDonald while flipping the bird.

That about covers this thread.

Here is another option. Put a towel or something on top of your Vader mobile and put the headers ontop then take the pic of the headers with the Vader Mobile. :thumbsup: :D

with a janky ass towel in between them...

sexy shot, nice idea...

don't forget 'ta bring a towel...

Thanks pjohnesq.
So you have the cross drilled cyro-treated rotors and robertcts has the same rotors and sdmarineguy (that lucky guy) has the rotors and the big brake kit ,and the headers and cats. Anybody else running CMS?

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don't forget 'ta bring a towel...
haha dont know if anyone else caught where thats from...

anyways post newer pics of your car in your sig im tired of lookin at those luxury sport 17s...

Where is that from?

it's from towelie on south park...

go here, and watch the video on the left side. just ignore the 2 quick previews in the beginning.

http://www.tv.com/south-park/towelie/episode/65854/summary.html

I think Pete bought like 6 completed headers and I'm not sure how many parts were in the inventory. He's connected to a lot of Cadillac dealers for selling his merchandise, so I'm not sure how many has already shipped.

These are installed from under the car so a lift is a must. The install takes a lot of time so I've elected for my Dealer to install the huggers.

Pete says the Huggers really don't make the exhaust any louder. I was concerned about that. I may have to Dynamat the fire wall. We'll see.

Has your dealer agreed to Install them? Mine are Chrome :)

Has your dealer agreed to Install them? Mine are Chrome :)

I'm taking mine to the Dealer to discuss Monday or Tuesday. Yes mine are chrome but the Jet-Hot coating reduces the shine a bit. Hopefully I can get the install Friday.

Proof for the Naysayers that Bob has his huggers!!:)

*D Vader Ohio plates
*Euro Fogs w/Back up lights(but a few exist. Maybe none in Ohio)
*Spoiler
*Cadillac Script
*Corsa exhaust
*Hugger Headers
*My Wife in a wheel chair in the background
*My brick driveway used in other pics.

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/VaderLund3.jpg

DUDE.

don't forget the towel! thats proof enough for me right there.

and another thing...from this point forward i am incorporating "naysayers" into my vocabulary because i love it so much.

so what are those things doing on your trunk?? they should be hooke dup already...get with it, bob.

DUDE.

don't forget the towel! thats proof enough for me right there.

and another thing...from this point forward i am incorporating "naysayers" into my vocabulary because i love it so much.

so what are those things doing on your trunk?? they should be hooke dup already...get with it, bob.

Very observant 3x0!! You recognised the towel from my Z06 STB towel bar!:)

wheres the "i <3 urbanski" sign??!!??

Proof for the Naysayers that Bob has his huggers!!:)

*D Vader Ohio plates
*Euro Fogs w/Back up lights(but a few exist. Maybe none in Ohio)
*Spoiler
*Cadillac Script
*Corsa exhaust
*Hugger Headers
*My Wife in a wheel chair in the background
*My brick driveway used in other pics.

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/VaderLund3.jpg

Funny, ridiculous (the fact that someone requested proof) but funny.

Looks photo chopped.... :D

And where's Ronald McDonald with the I <3 urbanski sign flipping off everyone?

wheres the "i <3 urbanski" sign??!!??

Ya know Urb I actually thought about you. I was gonna hold the Urby sign while flipping the Naysayers but I thought you'd lock the thread:D

Wow the one chance in life I get to see a clown flipping someone off while holding headers and you dont do that for me. I SAY GOOD DAY SIR.

lol i wouldnt lock it for that

Wow the one chance in life I get to see a clown flipping someone off while holding headers and you dont do that for me. I SAY GOOD DAY SIR.
I agree with mikesharon, bring on the clown/headers with the middle finger.

Nope. I had to push the wife down the stairs for that pic, plus I had to wash the car.:)

Proof for the Naysayers that Bob has his huggers!!:)

*D Vader Ohio plates
*Euro Fogs w/Back up lights(but a few exist. Maybe none in Ohio)
*Spoiler
*Cadillac Script
*Corsa exhaust
*Hugger Headers
*My Wife in a wheel chair in the background
*My brick driveway used in other pics.

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/VaderLund3.jpg

Wow Robert. i never thought you would actually do what i said for you to do, but it's nice to know that you follow directions well. LOL:histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

WOW! I was the naysayer... I admit I was proven wrong! I just want to see the non-lund headers now. I know Pete bought 5-7 pairs from lund, with 2 being sold now.....

They will look the same with the absence of the Lund name. In addition to the complete header he bought the inventory of parts so it may be a while until Pete uses up his parts. Pete sells parts to some Cadillac Dealerships so I really have no idea how many have sold. I'm hoping to see PJ's set show up soon.

I'm hoping to see PJ's set show up soon.
Me too...I'm waiting for CMS to ask for the balance of the payment since I only made an initial deposit when they were taking orders...Just get those bad boys installed!!

Me too...I'm waiting for CMS to ask for the balance of the payment since I only made an initial deposit when they were taking orders...Just get those bad boys installed!!

You might wanna start bugging Glenn, his shop Forman. Rather than bug Pete. Glenn seldom answers e-mail but my bugging him seemed to help.

can you post a close up pics of the header?
I want to see the welding points and compare them to the lund.

can you post a close up pics of the header?
I want to see the welding points and compare them to the lund.

Silly boy..they are from Lund's inventory. Nothing to compare them to. The welds are beautiful. The welds inside are polished, chromed and Jet-Hot coatings. I will do some more pics as I get the time.

Silly boy..they are from Lund's inventory. Nothing to compare them to. The welds are beautiful. The welds inside are polished, chromed and Jet-Hot coatings. I will do some more pics as I get the time.
i want to see if pete made any improvements to the lund's header.

Proof for the Naysayers that Bob has his huggers!!:)

*D Vader Ohio plates
*Euro Fogs w/Back up lights(but a few exist. Maybe none in Ohio)
*Spoiler
*Cadillac Script
*Corsa exhaust
*Hugger Headers
*My Wife in a wheel chair in the background
*My brick driveway used in other pics.

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/VaderLund3.jpg

NEXT, you will be saying this is the 2008 CTS-V LOL!

NEXT, you will be saying this is the 2008 CTS-V LOL!

I'm 100HP short of the V. I would never say that JT. I'm not a poser.:)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-top-left.gifQuote:http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-top-right.gifhttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-by-left.gifOriginally Posted by RobertCTShttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-by-right.gifhttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-top-right-10.gifProof for the Naysayers that Bob has his huggers!!:)

*D Vader Ohio plates
*Euro Fogs w/Back up lights(but a few exist. Maybe none in Ohio)
*Spoiler
*Cadillac Script
*Corsa exhaust
*Hugger Headers
*My Wife in a wheel chair in the background
*My brick driveway used in other pics.

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/VaderLund3.jpg http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-bot-left.gifhttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-bot-right.gifI call photoshop, LOOK at the shadows, if you zoom up real close u can see thoes euro fogs are fuzz and from a honda.... LOL....

J/k

nice to put the haters in thier place, u think the CAI/and full exhaust will bring u up 50Hp..... i would love to see dyno numbers, i didnt think the stockers where that restrictive.... damn only if i had 2400 to blow.....:rant2:
do u need to drop the motor

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-top-left.gifQuote:http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-top-right.gifhttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-by-left.gifOriginally Posted by RobertCTShttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-by-right.gifhttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-top-right-10.gifProof for the Naysayers that Bob has his huggers!!:)

*D Vader Ohio plates
*Euro Fogs w/Back up lights(but a few exist. Maybe none in Ohio)
*Spoiler
*Cadillac Script
*Corsa exhaust
*Hugger Headers
*My Wife in a wheel chair in the background
*My brick driveway used in other pics.

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/VaderLund3.jpg http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-bot-left.gifhttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-bot-right.gifI call photoshop, LOOK at the shadows, if you zoom up real close u can see thoes euro fogs are fuzz and from a honda.... LOL....

J/k

nice to put the haters in thier place, u think the CAI/and full exhaust will bring u up 50Hp..... i would love to see dyno numbers, i didnt think the stockers where that restrictive.... damn only if i had 2400 to blow.....:rant2:
do u need to drop the motor

The work is done underneath on a car lift. Probably 5 hours at $80= $400 to install. Huggers are $1700.

Thats only one header by the way where is the other one? And who is this mystery man in the back AND WHY WONT HE SHOW HIS FACE? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING??? Is it Ronald without the makeup?

Thats only one header by the way where is the other one? And who is this mystery man in the back AND WHY WONT HE SHOW HIS FACE? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING??? Is it Ronald without the makeup?

You musta missed my post earlier. That's my wife. She recently broke her leg in 3 places. 3 months in a wheel chair. You really don't wanna see my face:eek:

Gah sorry to hear that about your wife.....she wasnt talking smack about the CTS right before the "accident" I hope. My wife talked smack about mine once......ONCE.

Gah sorry to hear that about your wife.....she wasnt talking smack about the CTS right before the "accident" I hope. My wife talked smack about mine once......ONCE.

Sorry about my wife!..how about me!! I now have to do the laundry, run the vacuum cleaner, shop for groceries and make the meals! I'm exhausted:crybaby:

Well I hope your atleast doing a half assed job, if you do a good job she wont want to get better and will milk the injury longer.

Just got back from the service Dept at my Caddy Dealership. They estimate 6 hours for the install just like CMS said. 6x $70= $420. Scheduled to go in this coming Monday. Geez!!!! Can't wait!...but I guess I will.

DIY dude
i did mine
blaze a trail!!

DIY dude
i did mine
blaze a trail!!

The 3.6 DOC VVT Engine is very wide. Access is only from the bottom while on a lift. The job takes a pro 6 hours with his arms over his head. Not my idea of DIY.

DIY dude
i did mine
blaze a trail!!
I too would install them myself, but freely admit that they would be a major PITA and knuckle busters.

I too would install them myself, but freely admit that they would be a major PITA and knuckle busters.

I took Pete for his word when he suggested only a trained professional install them. Some special tools are needed for the awkward angles. I was also hoping my bonding with my tech and Service manager will help down the road when some unrealted part break they won't try to blame the Huggers.

hey, so did you get them installed yet?

I can't wait for the 3.2L headers

Doesnt look like its gona happen this summer. If it doesnt than i will be waiting for the new CTS and save the cash

hey, so did you get them installed yet?

I can't wait for the 3.2L headers

Doesnt look like its gona happen this summer. If it doesnt than i will be waiting for the new CTS and save the cash

I believe Robert is going in this Monday to get it installed....
Yeah, it would be cool to have them for our 3.2L CTS, but it's kind of pricy so it just saves me from going under.... :eek:

Yep, Monday. It's a 6 1/2 hour install. If they get started first thing I'll get it back the same day. If not, you know how that goes, it'll be Tuesday. I'm really anxious to get it back and drive it. I'll be stalking the Ricer Boys.:bouncy:

I'll get you little ricer decals to display on your door for all the kills you claim!:blasted:

Do they have a DYNO where you are getting the work done, or will youhave to schedule that somewhere else?

Hey Mr.Stealth did you get them installed. Would love to know how they turned out.

How do feel about before and after and noise increase

Have fun driving it

Hey Mr.Stealth did you get them installed. Would love to know how they turned out.

How do feel about before and after and noise increase

Have fun driving it

Still in the shop. stalled by gaskets. 3.2 gaskets instead of 3.6:mad:
Probably Friday before its done now:crybaby:

Still in the shop. stalled by gaskets. 3.2 gaskets instead of 3.6:mad:
Probably Friday before its done now:crybaby:

I know this probably will not make you any more at easy about your car still being without the headers, but my car is going in to the dealership once again today for warranty crap!!! :eek: Hope this time it won't take them more then 2 weeks.... :alchi:

Robert, just keep think of the coming road kills! :devilheh:

yeah, think of the road kills and the probable increase in gas mileage.

for those that dont know, an enigne is basically an air pump, the headers let this pump breath easier hence upping efficiency.

i am interested in a few things.

robert, are they jethot (ceramic metal) coated on the insides as well? I cant remember yes or no. I wonder since I am worried about the close coupling of our cats to the headers. its a cadillac specific design that allows them to het up faster.
hmm. coem to think of it, with a thermal coating the headers are going to be transfering heat to the cats much faster, this will probablylower your cold start emissions by a couple of percent, so you can feel better about the environment.
the heat coating will also keep the underhood temps down, allowing the engine to run a bit cooler.
have you ever driven around and then popped the hood and felt the air intake? its hot as hell. I want to put a thermal barrier around that. no sense in heating the air charge and the throttle body if one does not have to.

if you could, do a test without a cross over, I have a theory on why sd marine saw good gains with the x pipe. I was takling to some gm people and was being told how the stock headers are specially designed for length and to time the exhaust pulses for best efficiency and power. since we have DOHC engines , back pressure becomes more important. These new headers open up and change the exhaust flow, maybe causing some turbulence or other unforseen issue that the cross oevr helps with. I could see the collison that is going on at a X pipe giving some better backpressue at low speed then allowing for faster out gasing at higher speeds.

gee, can anyone tell i had too much caffeine this morning?

-KL

yeah, think of the road kills and the probable increase in gas mileage.

for those that dont know, an enigne is basically an air pump, the headers let this pump breath easier hence upping efficiency.

i am interested in a few things.

robert, are they jethot (ceramic metal) coated on the insides as well? I cant remember yes or no. I wonder since I am worried about the close coupling of our cats to the headers. its a cadillac specific design that allows them to het up faster.
hmm. coem to think of it, with a thermal coating the headers are going to be transfering heat to the cats much faster, this will probablylower your cold start emissions by a couple of percent, so you can feel better about the environment.
the heat coating will also keep the underhood temps down, allowing the engine to run a bit cooler.
have you ever driven around and then popped the hood and felt the air intake? its hot as hell. I want to put a thermal barrier around that. no sense in heating the air charge and the throttle body if one does not have to.

if you could, do a test without a cross over, I have a theory on why sd marine saw good gains with the x pipe. I was takling to some gm people and was being told how the stock headers are specially designed for length and to time the exhaust pulses for best efficiency and power. since we have DOHC engines , back pressure becomes more important. These new headers open up and change the exhaust flow, maybe causing some turbulence or other unforseen issue that the cross oevr helps with. I could see the collison that is going on at a X pipe giving some better backpressue at low speed then allowing for faster out gasing at higher speeds.

gee, can anyone tell i had too much caffeine this morning?

-KL

Kael,
The Huggers are Jet-Hot coated inside and out. The Cats are the best money can buy. These Bosanni Cats are about $700 each and are also Jet-Hot coated.:)