Not that I want to see any on the road but.. but dealer has 2 One black exactly like mine and One silver ( wish I got silver ) black is killing me. May tade mine in but I will take a blood bath on it just to change color. Black rocks but what a pain to take care of this car scratchs if you look at it funny!, In any case if they are not selling does that make mine worth more to trade in? Most are not being discounted and sold at FULL msrp. I just hope this car is a hit, and they sell the projected number of them so there will be a better one come 3 years from now....

Its supposed to be a low-volume halo car. The V-series XLR will retain its value better than the standard XLR, but as always with any Cadillac, expect to take a hard hit on trade.

All of our XLR-V's are pre-sold! 7 of them to be exact we could sell everyone we get today!
Maybe it is Only in the tri state(PA, NJ, DE) where they are not selling as I know of about a HALF A DOZEN sitting at local dealerships where they will SELL below MSRP. I kid you not. If you want one I can get you one right now for at least a couple g's off.
Erik
PS. Dan my dad is enjoying his red with tan!

How do you figure? Its people perseption like this, that hold Cadillac back.

All of our XLR-V's are pre-sold! 7 of them to be exact we could sell everyone we get today!

Dont shoot the messenger! :)

I think Cadillac's problem with the whole V-series lineup is that they are not pushing it enough.
Outside of Cadillac owners, not many yet understand what the badge means.

They need better advertising.

I think Cadillac's problem with the whole V-series lineup is that they are not pushing it enough.
Outside of Cadillac owners, not many yet understand what the badge means.

They need better advertising. Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!! i was thinking the same thing.Cadillac has pretty much established themselves fairly well on the race track with the CTS-V,but they need more advertising about the rest of the V-series Caddies.Many people are not informed,and many are surprised to get their doors blown off by a car that they're not familiar with.Cadillac has got to shake off the "gray-headed" old man-rocking chair mentality out of the heads of young buyers,or this whole V-series thing may get unnoticed.I like the idea of the XLR-V being a low volume seller,but please don't kill it Cadillac.

Maybe it is Only in the tri state (PA, NJ, DE) where they are not selling as I know of about a HALF A DOZEN sitting at local dealerships where they will SELL below MSRP. I kid you not. If you want one I can get you one right now for at least a couple g's off. Erik

Not only in your area. There are 29 vehicles listed as being available in the greater Los Angeles
area which for some unknown reason includes Las Vegas, so there certainly is no shortage.

Maybe there are so many at dealerships because some stupid dealers are trying to get up to $10K over MSRP. :bigroll:

:)

Not only in your area. There are 29 vehicles listed as being available in the greater Los Angeles
area which for some unknown reason includes Las Vegas, so there certainly is no shortage.

Maybe there are so many at dealerships because some stupid dealers are trying to get up to $10K over MSRP. :bigroll:

:)


That's true! When I bought my CTS-V last month the dealer had a black XLR-V at 5k over! WTF? It's still sitting there!

GM dealers shoot themselves in the foot everytime. It happend with the 01 z06, 03 SSR, 03 CTS-V, and is now going to happen with the xlr-v, sad stuff. You can now buy a brand new ssr for 10k off sticker go figure.
Erik

Tell you dad to goto pepboys and get the fram air hog performance airfilters they rock for the "V"

Tell you dad to goto pepboys and get the fram air hog performance airfilters they rock for the "V"
Dan he loves it!!! I can't send you a pm cause I don't have enough posts. We have to get them together for some photos one of these days!

We have one sitting on our showroom floor right now with a $20,000 market adjustment on top of the $100k sticker!

We have one sitting on our showroom floor right now with a $20,000 market adjustment on top of the $100k sticker!
Good luck! I know of a handful that can't be sold for a couple g's off $100k. Dealers in 03 had SSR's for sale at $10k over sticker by the end of the year the cars were still sitting and gm was offering money to move the cars and dealers ended up losing money on everyone by years end.

There arent exactly ads everywhere for the SL500 and SC430 either. These boutique cars arent meant for a mass market.

I've seen more advertising for the V "under 5" series than ads for any of the euro car companies..

They're selling well here in Washington. Can't keep them on the lots, at least the ones I've been to.

If people want them they will find them. It's not a mass produced car, there aren't going to be that many made. We are allocated 3, we sold 1 the week after it hit our lot for 15K over sticker. I suspect we won't have a problem with the next one.
We have two STS-Vs on our showroom floor. I'd say if any of the three are going to move slowly it will be the STS-V.... from a sales perspective that is!

We got two in yesterday... I think one of them is gone already.
The other one is black with the tan interior.
Not sure how long it will be here.

I'm waiting on my 2006 XLR-V to be delivered next Saturday. I'm very excited but also concerned about many of the problems I've read about.

As for availability I can tell you from my own research that there are plenty of both models available. I found two brand new ones at dealerships where they would take $20,000 off the sticker price (XLR) and my local dealer was willing to discount one by $17,000. My new V has 5,000 miles on it which is fine with me because I wanted to let someone else take the beating instead of me. I have no idea why the re-sale value is so bad.

I drove both models and there are a few obvious differences. I preferred the non V model's interior, lighter steering and the overall ride. However I didn't let that stop me from buying my V model. The heavier steering is understandable with the V's tremendous torque and I expected it to have a stiffer ride.

At first I was leaning very heavily towards the non V model because I didn't think I could justify the much more expensive V, but a test drive of the V changed all that. I have owned both a Lotus Esprit and a Ferrari Boxer
(BB-512) before so I appreciate a fast car, but I never expected the performance I got from my test drive of the V model. It really impressed me and I decided that the V's interior and ride would grow on me.

I do however worry about the issues I read about with the XLR's. I had an All'ante when they first came out and Cadillac ended up taking it back to the Detroit factory where for a month they combed over it to try and learn why it had so many defects. Those kinds of problems over shadow any great looking automobile and its performance. I don't buy them to look at, but instead to drive everyday.

As for opinions including my own here, we all know that opinions are like ass...., everyone has one and they all smell. I say that because had I let all the negative comments I read about the American Iron Horse motorcycle influence me, I would have missed out on one of the best motorcycle I've ever owned.

As they say, time will tell!



Badboy

i am pretty sure MOST xlr-v sales are along the lines of scott (from superior caddy) pricing, 87-88000 for a xlr v... I agree gm needs to inform the "average" consumer of what a V series caddy is... most people think i just have an average cts and they do not know what a v entails... but the xlr v is a good start, it just needs to get out there more... but the fact that the regular xlr is being highly discounted almost immediately brings the price of the xlr v way down!!!

I've seen more advertising for the V "under 5" series than ads for any of the euro car companies..

I saw that ad once here in PA and that was a year ago. I have not seen a V ad since.

How do you figure? Its people perseption like this, that hold Cadillac back.

All of our XLR-V's are pre-sold! 7 of them to be exact we could sell everyone we get today!


Seriously...you cant honestly believe that can you? Its history that holds cadilac back, their current line up is pretty good, not the best looking, but its an improvment for sure.

But the cimmarron, the 8, 6, 4 engine, the catera and so on and so on hold cadillac back. Not to mention the fact that they dont stand behind their cars (see Allante, Catera, and so on and so on).


Cadillac will be fine, but they need to start fixing things right away, and the right way.


I thought the catera was the last big, unsettled screw up for caddy, i was wrong.


I would be buying a CTS-V in the spring if it werent for cadillacs stupidity in the differential.
If they cant designe a new bulletproof one, they should buy back ever CTS-V right now. If they can (and im sure they can) they should make them, and put them in, mandatory recall, regardless of cost, it would enhance their image and help move them out of the hole they've dug themselves, but instead they will just hope that in time people will forget....I for one won't.

I think Cadillac's problem with the whole V-series lineup is that they are not pushing it enough.
Outside of Cadillac owners, not many yet understand what the badge means.

They need better advertising.

ABSOLUTELY NEED BETTER ADVERTISING!!!!

I have been driving a 2005 C6 Corvette...400 HP. Wanted to trade-in for a 2007 C6 Conv but hesitated due to the soft top. I really wanted a folding hardtop so I start looking at used MB SL55s.

Then I see this used 2006 XLR with 900 miles for around $53000 and start thinking...but 320 HP isn't going to do it but I really like the car so I put a deposit on it and wait for the call to seal the deal. Three days later the dealer calls (over new years eve wknd) and by this time I had done a little research and found a NEW BLACK XLR-V with 443 HP!!!!! OMG, I never new these things came SUPERCHARGED!

I bought it brand new in the mid-70s and even got an extra $2K off using my GM credit card. I've had more thumbs up in a month than in the two years I owned the C6! I hope they keep production down on the V; the depreciation will be a killer but the dealer ate some of it so I am still pretty happy with the whole deal.

So yeah, you gotta advertise these car! I almost made a huge mistake, now I have a car I really look forward to driving every day!:thumbsup:

The advertising is a problem as well, not only more ads, but better ones as well. BMW's "The Ultimate Driving Machine" Porsche's "Porsche There is no Subustitute" Or the famous "Kills Bugs Fast" magazine ad stick with me, no cadillac ad (excluding the new "Roll" one 60 seccond version which i only like because it has an allante in it) does that.

KC Ryan

I think that "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit" is a great tag, and one that could work for awhile if they stick with it. I can't remember what they were using during the last few years' Led Zeppelin ad campaign, but I thought that too was a great way to reintroduce the brand and its new, aggressively styled identity to the public. Add the fact that among Zep fans it's widely known that the bandmembers often said they'd never license their music for commercials and the campaign and cars it represents are even more special as a result. Go back to the Zeppelin concert film of the 1970s and they're getting ferried around in Cadi limo's, so it's only appropriate, somehow, that they'd do their first and apparently only licensing deal with as iconic a brand as they are a group.

But, like I said, if they continue to develop this new "life, liberty..." tag, they may end up with a great winner. At least stateside, everyone knows upon hearing it that Cadillac promises happiness, along with life, liberty, and the thrill of the chase. Very nicely done.

Wasn't the last campaign called "Breakthrough"?

We had a XLR-V and it did not last 4 hours of me posting the pics on the web. It was sold quick..

Seriously...you cant honestly believe that can you? Its history that holds cadilac back, their current line up is pretty good, not the best looking, but its an improvment for sure.

But the cimmarron, the 8, 6, 4 engine, the catera and so on and so on hold cadillac back. Not to mention the fact that they dont stand behind their cars (see Allante, Catera, and so on and so on).


Cadillac will be fine, but they need to start fixing things right away, and the right way.


I thought the catera was the last big, unsettled screw up for caddy, i was wrong.


I would be buying a CTS-V in the spring if it werent for cadillacs stupidity in the differential.
If they cant designe a new bulletproof one, they should buy back ever CTS-V right now. If they can (and im sure they can) they should make them, and put them in, mandatory recall, regardless of cost, it would enhance their image and help move them out of the hole they've dug themselves, but instead they will just hope that in time people will forget....I for one won't.

The V series Cadillacs are the best buys in their categories. My '04 CTS-V is on its 3rd differential, all replaced under warranty, and I'll keep it until it is no longer fixable. These cars are fun to drive.

You should probably buy yourself a German car and move on. Why worry about the ones you don't like?

The V series Cadillacs are the best buys in their categories. My '04 CTS-V is on its 3rd differential, all replaced under warranty, and I'll keep it until it is no longer fixable. These cars are fun to drive.

You should probably buy yourself a German car and move on. Why worry about the ones you don't like?


I will buy myself a german car, already in the hunt. But why worry? because i love cadillac, and think they have the capability to make great cars, but i don't think that they are currently doing that. Once they can make cars that are reliable, fun to drive, and competitive, and ones that they stand behind, ill be back behind the seat of one. Until then ill buy from somone who can fufill those requirements. I also fear that the next cadillac i buy will be a toyota car, not a gm one, but then again, if toyota can make a good car, and gm cannot, I'll buy the toyota.

Also, i do like "life liberty and the pursuit" but A) i dont see it lasting more than 2 years, they need a slogan that for the next 20 years people will know. and B)It limits them again too much to an american market (if they use if overseas) as many people i dont think will get it.

Wow! If your going to talk the talk at least know the facts! Cadillac rates higher in quality than Bmw and Mercedes who doesnt even break the top ten!


Differential problem..... lol...
show me an actual shelled CTS-V differential! Yes they are noises but we have never seen an actual shelled diff!


I trust those ratings as far as i can throw them, and for the reccord mercedes is crap. Ever since chrysler and them joined, they have been absolutly terrible.

So you're saying that its fine to have a noisy differential on a $50,000+ car?

Keep buying cadillac, I hope people do, that way maybe they'll have come cash to fix their glaring problems. Until then I'll keep laughing as i pass them on the side of the road in my infiniti (which i currently drive) or other well priced, well built, and pretty much problem free car.

I trust those ratings as far as i can throw them, and for the reccord mercedes is crap. Ever since chrysler and them joined, they have been absolutly terrible.

So you're saying that its fine to have a noisy differential on a $50,000+ car?

Keep buying cadillac, I hope people do, that way maybe they'll have come cash to fix their glaring problems. Until then I'll keep laughing as i pass them on the side of the road in my infiniti (which i currently drive) or other well priced, well built, and pretty much problem free car. to bad infinity and lexus tries hard to copy ever model mercedes comes out with..please dont tell me your trying to compare an infinity to a mercedes..your more than welcome to meet up with me and drive my s55 amg and then tell me what you think about it..p.s and try to pass me up!!

to bad infinity and lexus tries hard to copy ever model mercedes comes out with..please dont tell me your trying to compare an infinity to a mercedes..your more than welcome to meet up with me and drive my s55 amg and then tell me what you think about it..p.s and try to pass me up!!

You're clearly an expert on the subject...being able to spell INFINITI so well and all....and i didnt mention lexus. Show me an infiniti in the same class of a s55 amg, and then maybe you can talk. But for reference i own 2 infiniti's one with 54k one with over 100k, both have only had tiny problems, and wear parts (one had a knock sensor, the other had a broken cd player, both easy fixes) my mercedes however has had 2 transmissions (both before it hit 17k, the first before it hit 5k) 3 ac compressors and one condensor, 7 (and its still not fixed) blinker motors, a new ECU, a new key, and now needs (at 32k) a new torque converter, as its current one is leaking and causing the car to stall. Heck id take a cadillac over that piece of junk

You're clearly an expert on the subject...being able to spell INFINITI so well and all....and i didnt mention lexus. Show me an infiniti in the same class of a s55 amg, and then maybe you can talk. But for reference i own 2 infiniti's one with 54k one with over 100k, both have only had tiny problems, and wear parts (one had a knock sensor, the other had a broken cd player, both easy fixes) my mercedes however has had 2 transmissions (both before it hit 17k, the first before it hit 5k) 3 ac compressors and one condensor, 7 (and its still not fixed) blinker motors, a new ECU, a new key, and now needs (at 32k) a new torque converter, as its current one is leaking and causing the car to stall. Heck id take a cadillac over that piece of junk
what year and model did you own. listen im not hear to argue with you but i have own mercedes since the 90's and had no problems at all. 3 generations of s class. id take a ford pinto over your piece of junk!!:thumbsup:

what year and model did you own. listen im not hear to argue with you but i have own mercedes since the 90's and had no problems at all. 3 generations of s class. id take a ford pinto over your piece of junk!!:thumbsup:

I had a 98 C230, no power, cheap as all hell, but never really had a problem.

now i have a 2004 C240 4Matic. And i honestly cant wait to get rid of it.



Sorry for the arguing tone, i try not to get angry over stuff like this, but people online seem to love to fight.


I think some of Mercs higher end stuff is alright, but i would avoid C-classes at all costs. They also dont offer enough manuals for me.

I had a 98 C230, no power, cheap as all hell, but never really had a problem.

now i have a 2004 C240 4Matic. And i honestly cant wait to get rid of it.



Sorry for the arguing tone, i try not to get angry over stuff like this, but people online seem to love to fight.


I think some of Mercs higher end stuff is alright, but i would avoid C-classes at all costs. They also dont offer enough manuals for me.


You are correct you can tell people the truth and it is sometimes what they don't want to hear. Everyone has different viewpoints.

The V doesn't sell because old people find them scary.

The V doesn't sell because old people find them scary.

Ahahaha. So you are saying a DTS-V is probably not a good idea :rolleyes:

The V doesn't sell because old people find them scary.

How old is old?
I am 65 and have a 2007 xlrv and just put D3's chip in to boost HP and will add air intake as soon as it is ready. Next stop is Dyno and then to drag strip.

Ahahaha. So you are saying a DTS-V is probably not a good idea :rolleyes:

haha, thats a car i may consider buying! :lol:

some people can not handle that car believe it or not.

I would love to try some d3 products when I get a customer that wants to get more power out of their car.

Ahahaha. So you are saying a DTS-V is probably not a good idea :rolleyes:

Probably not. Can you imagine how many pedestrians grammy would mow down in that thing?

How old is old?
I am 65 and have a 2007 xlrv and just put D3's chip in to boost HP and will add air intake as soon as it is ready. Next stop is Dyno and then to drag strip.

You're probably OK Quick, as long as you're not confusing the brake peddle with the accelerator and don't need assistance using the restroom.

if anyone needs one please contact me

You're probably OK Quick, as long as you're not confusing the brake peddle with the accelerator and don't need assistance using the restroom.

You should not let your personal prejudice and envy get in the way of intelligent discussion. I expected more from this forum.

At the age of 62 in his street legal passenger car, he drove to an amazing record of 241.731 mph on pump gasoline. Andy Granatelli
I would love to give you a personal demonstration of my ability to place my foot exactly where I want.

you expected more from a car-talk forum? no offense, but you're definitely old enough to know better than that!:bigroll:

Don't mind this "young whipper snapper" Quick, I was just having some fun.

I would love to give you a personal demonstration of my ability to place my foot exactly where I want.

Just some internet forum fun / humor. Threats are not necessary.

Ther is a silver XLR-V for sale at a dealership on Long Island, NY for $77,000.00 I saw it in the paper about a week ago. Thats cheap right?

How old is old?
I am 65 and have a 2007 xlrv and just put D3's chip in to boost HP and will add air intake as soon as it is ready. Next stop is Dyno and then to drag strip.

NICE! :worship:

anyone who gets gold-plaited emblems on their cadi in this day and age is just fulfilling a bad stereotype about cadi owners. those things do look best with the fake convertible top, though...:bigroll:

seriously, the question about gold emblems is: why is it that people get the gold emblems but leave all the other brightwork silver/chrome? seems that if you want gold trim, you oughtta get gold trim all around, no?

i just don't feel the gold trim thing at all. no offense to those who do; clearly, i'm the one missing something.

Ther is a silver XLR-V for sale at a dealership on Long Island, NY for $77,000.00 I saw it in the paper about a week ago. Thats cheap right?

Sounds cheap, but im sure one of the guys who sells cars on here will say he can beat it, but cant post the price on the forum, and for you to call/email him, where he'll reply that he cant beat it, but from his dealer you get..blah blah blah blah..

Just a guess atleast..:)

It sounds like a 2006 to be honest.

I have a bunch of 2007 XLR and XLR-V's in stock..

It sounds like a 2006 to be honest.

I have a bunch of 2007 XLR and XLR-V's in stock..

So Scotty, why arn't they selling?

there is a lot of people not looking to spend the money right now. That is the just of it.

I would only lease one and keep it stock and run it for a while.
I have a XLR-V I am selling right now for Employee pricing..

Black on black one in stock only.

You're clearly an expert on the subject...being able to spell INFINITI so well and all....and i didnt mention lexus. Show me an infiniti in the same class of a s55 amg, and then maybe you can talk. But for reference i own 2 infiniti's one with 54k one with over 100k, both have only had tiny problems, and wear parts (one had a knock sensor, the other had a broken cd player, both easy fixes) my mercedes however has had 2 transmissions (both before it hit 17k, the first before it hit 5k) 3 ac compressors and one condensor, 7 (and its still not fixed) blinker motors, a new ECU, a new key, and now needs (at 32k) a new torque converter, as its current one is leaking and causing the car to stall. Heck id take a cadillac over that piece of junk

Go to any Infiniti forum on the internet, and you will find people complaining about some major problem they had, how unfair it was, and how could the manufacturer put out this kind of product, etc, etc, etc. Just like on this forum.

Toyota recalled more cars than it sold in 2006. So even they are not immune.

Cadillac will continue for years just as it is now. It will not change.

Oh, and gas will hit $4 per gallon, and people will still drive 400 hp Escalades.

My point? Stop complaining and just drive your cars. If they break, go get them fixed. Venting here is not going to change anything. But if it makes you feel better, then keep venting.

Jimmy, I believe you're right about the complaining here. KC also owns an allante, and we all know about the problems there, to keep them running we just stop crying and fix 'em.

Jimmy, I believe you're right about the complaining here. KC also owns an allante, and we all know about the problems there, to keep them running we just stop crying and fix 'em.

Not just this forum, every auto forum on the internet. My post may have been overly harsh I think. I just get tired of people ripping on American cars and praising German and Japanese. I have owned GM, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Lexus and Volkswagen. They all have problems. Mechanical things break.

We have sold a lot of them.. I have a lot of speicals on all v series going on all the time.


Let me know if you want one first.

anyone who gets gold-plaited emblems on their cadi in this day and age is just fulfilling a bad stereotype about cadi owners. those things do look best with the fake convertible top, though...:bigroll:

seriously, the question about gold emblems is: why is it that people get the gold emblems but leave all the other brightwork silver/chrome? seems that if you want gold trim, you oughtta get gold trim all around, no?

i just don't feel the gold trim thing at all. no offense to those who do; clearly, i'm the one missing something.

Detail guys tell me that the gold fades. I stupidly bought the gold keys from GM, and they faded within a few months. Some aftermarket groups and dealers do have almost every piece of chrome swapped out. I prefer to spend my money on something that provides me with more fulfillment and satisfaction in life--wine, women, etc.

So Scotty, why arn't they selling?

I do not know diddley about GM and pricing of Vs, but here is my 2 cents:

1. Breweries and Bentley have documented evidence that higher prices will bring more sales.

2. Except for Vs.

3. GM misjudged, in my opinion. I also think Ford missed the boat when pricing the recent TBird ($40k). I also heard that they wanted the bird to be a rare car. (They succeeded with that aspect, since sales fell flat.)

4. I wonder if Ford and GM would have succeeded by pricing their cars at a lower level. I think the TBird would have been a real hit like the original Mustang if they priced the bird at around $30k. I do not know where GM should have priced the V. Maybe somewhere just above the Z06 pricing level??

(I hope I don't get TWO employment offers from GM and Ford. That really would be a tough decision. I don't know which would be worse.) LOL

How do you figure? Its people perseption like this, that hold Cadillac back.

All of our XLR-V's are pre-sold! 7 of them to be exact we could sell everyone we get today!

Well, I guess everything sells when no one else has it. Unfortunately, without proper advertising, the shiny new penny appeal of a Cadillac lasts all of 3 months. New ones are selling in the 70s now and preowneds as low as 60-65. I give credit to GM for putting the price artificially high at 100k and not being afraid to compete, but it will be a while before they can consistently sell a car for that much. In fact, I dont doubt that they anticipated the first few suckers would bite at 100k+ and then later on the discounting would begin. The average transaction price over the life of the XLR-V will still work out in their favor.

Perhaps a more sinister blow to the XLR-V no one really talks about...has been the fact that when you take all factors into account, there is another car that has nearly as much/if not MORE sex appeal, is faster, more reliable (bulletproof OHV muscle V8 versus a Northstar), built on the same chassis and heres the worst part... 30000.00 Cheaper MSRP. I dont care WHAT the difference in target market for the XLR-V and Z06 is, when you look at the differences on paper... the Z wins in numbers alone. You can throw luxury excuses at me all day, but the truth is the Z is no Aveo inside either, and even has some unique features as well as EXOTIC build materials only available on the Z. I am *sure* that these very same thoughts cross nearly every V buyers mind when they are staring at a 100000.00 pricetag. Then you add in the fact that the Z has been rockstar ever since it came on the scene... and the XLR doesnt have much left going for it but a cushy ride. That would also tend to explain why prices for the V settled in the 70k range, as this puts it in direct price competition with the Z...

Well, I guess everything sells when no one else has it. Unfortunately, without proper advertising, the shiny new penny appeal of a Cadillac lasts all of 3 months. New ones are selling in the 70s now and preowneds as low as 60-65. I give credit to GM for putting the price artificially high at 100k and not being afraid to compete, but it will be a while before they can consistently sell a car for that much. In fact, I dont doubt that they anticipated the first few suckers would bite at 100k+ and then later on the discounting would begin. The average transaction price over the life of the XLR-V will still work out in their favor.

Perhaps a more sinister blow to the XLR-V no one really talks about...has been the fact that when you take all factors into account, there is another car that has nearly as much/if not MORE sex appeal, is faster, more reliable (bulletproof OHV muscle V8 versus a Northstar), built on the same chassis and heres the worst part... 30000.00 Cheaper MSRP. I dont care WHAT the difference in target market for the XLR-V and Z06 is, when you look at the differences on paper... the Z wins in numbers alone. You can throw luxury excuses at me all day, but the truth is the Z is no Aveo inside either, and even has some unique features as well as EXOTIC build materials only available on the Z. I am *sure* that these very same thoughts cross nearly every V buyers mind when they are staring at a 100000.00 pricetag. Then you add in the fact that the Z has been rockstar ever since it came on the scene... and the XLR doesnt have much left going for it but a cushy ride. That would also tend to explain why prices for the V settled in the 70k range, as this puts it in direct price competition with the Z...


I have written several posts on this topic. You were, however, better able to explain it than I was. I keep scratching my head asking why I would jump at a V when I could get a better price, better depreciation, a car with a racing history, a car with tons of input from GM and the users, etc.

Now, I do like the looks of the V, but looks are fleeting. As much as many here will dislike what I am saying, I believe that if I were going to drop $70k, I would go with the Vette.

I will also wait a few years and buy a cherry 5 year old V with no miles on it. It is an attractive car.

I have written several posts on this topic. You were, however, better able to explain it than I was. I keep scratching my head asking why I would jump at a V when I could get a better price, better depreciation, a car with a racing history, a car with tons of input from GM and the users, etc.

Now, I do like the looks of the V, but looks are fleeting. As much as many here will dislike what I am saying, I believe that if I were going to drop $70k, I would go with the Vette.

I will also wait a few years and buy a cherry 5 year old V with no miles on it. It is an attractive car.

I could not agree more. :thumbsup:

Well, since someone brought up Infiniti...

The quality has declined in recent years, with G35s suffering from electrical issues and Q45s and M45s requiring new engines before 75k. My 1990 Q45, if you comb through the mountains of records, was a lemon from day one, but a joy to drive. I feel sorry for the last two owners. Quality peaked for Infiniti right at the turn of the century (ranked #2 for IQ and dependability, #1 for customer satisfaction), though at the time their product offerings were barely competitive with Mercury, much less BMW and Lexus.

Why are they not selling..........price?

Braman cadillac in Miami has an ad for new still in stock "06 xlr-v-

15k off the top plus 0% financing. If that doesn't pick up sales then they should get more in line with vette pricing, which is probably where the price should have been already, about the same as z-06. Just IMO.

I agree with Gary. They're too expensive.. I don't think the exclusivity is paying off at all.. Lower the price so more people can buy them. I see an XLR once every few months. I don't think it would hurt XLR owners feelings if they saw another XLR driving around.

Well, I guess everything sells when no one else has it. Unfortunately, without proper advertising, the shiny new penny appeal of a Cadillac lasts all of 3 months. New ones are selling in the 70s now and preowneds as low as 60-65. I give credit to GM for putting the price artificially high at 100k and not being afraid to compete, but it will be a while before they can consistently sell a car for that much. In fact, I dont doubt that they anticipated the first few suckers would bite at 100k+ and then later on the discounting would begin. The average transaction price over the life of the XLR-V will still work out in their favor.

Perhaps a more sinister blow to the XLR-V no one really talks about...has been the fact that when you take all factors into account, there is another car that has nearly as much/if not MORE sex appeal, is faster, more reliable (bulletproof OHV muscle V8 versus a Northstar), built on the same chassis and heres the worst part... 30000.00 Cheaper MSRP. I dont care WHAT the difference in target market for the XLR-V and Z06 is, when you look at the differences on paper... the Z wins in numbers alone. You can throw luxury excuses at me all day, but the truth is the Z is no Aveo inside either, and even has some unique features as well as EXOTIC build materials only available on the Z. I am *sure* that these very same thoughts cross nearly every V buyers mind when they are staring at a 100000.00 pricetag. Then you add in the fact that the Z has been rockstar ever since it came on the scene... and the XLR doesnt have much left going for it but a cushy ride. That would also tend to explain why prices for the V settled in the 70k range, as this puts it in direct price competition with the Z...



Well put. Even one better, buy a c06 (non z) and for about 6k you can turbo charge to around 600 hp.

I wish I had an XLR-V...

I was visiting my local Caddy/GM dealership the other day and the salesman said that they sell all of their xlr-v's very quickly. And they happen to be the top selling corvette dealership in the sector.

I sell a lot of XLR and V series. I discount them and take care of my customers after the sale. Thats a big part..

Lots of people can deal loacally if there is a problem and you can not get it resolved. I can mae a few calls. This is a perk on doing business with me.

I just bought my XLR and love it. I really don't care if I see another one. I don't care what other people think. I bought it for its looks. I looked at the Z06 and other cars but kept coming back to the XLR. I was not impressed with Lexus for the lack of luxury inside the car. I still have an 89 Eldo in my barn for its classic looks. I just can't bring myself to sell it. That is probably what will happen with this XLR. I have always bought ! for beauty, 2 joy to drive 3 price.

I just bought my XLR and love it. I really don't care if I see another one. I don't care what other people think. I bought it for its looks. I looked at the Z06 and other cars but kept coming back to the XLR. I was not impressed with Lexus for the lack of luxury inside the car. I still have an 89 Eldo in my barn for its classic looks. I just can't bring myself to sell it. That is probably what will happen with this XLR. I have always bought ! for beauty, 2 joy to drive 3 price.

If I recall, you bought a regular XLR. Regular 04 XLR's can be had for 36k with good miles. At those prices Id buy an XLR for beauty's sake too! When it comes to the 30 THOUSAND dollar price differential between the MSRP's of the Z06 (which sell for MSRP btw), and the XLR-V, the argument for that premium gets alot harder to defend.

Isn't there a Federal law that auto makers can only sell a certain ratio of high performance (gas guzzler) cars to econo boxes. If they sell a ton of the V series / Z06 cars, GM has to discount GEO's just to move a ton of econo boxes to off set the ratio so they don't get slammed with a levy. I think this is what Dodge ran into in the early years of the Viper. I don't think you will ever see mass advertising for the V series cars or high sales numbres. These cars are made for a niche community in low numbers, so lets keep it that way. Hell, a Buick Regal Grand National GNX is going for more money now than it sold for new 20 years ago. A well kept secret will pay off in the long run..........

Isn't there a Federal law that auto makers can only sell a certain ratio of high performance (gas guzzler) cars to econo boxes. If they sell a ton of the V series / Z06 cars, GM has to discount GEO's just to move a ton of econo boxes to off set the ratio so they don't get slammed with a levy. I think this is what Dodge ran into in the early years of the Viper. I don't think you will ever see mass advertising for the V series cars or high sales numbres. These cars are made for a niche community in low numbers, so lets keep it that way. Hell, a Buick Regal Grand National GNX is going for more money now than it sold for new 20 years ago. A well kept secret will pay off in the long run..........
The full size SUV's hurt more than a V series or Z06. With the margins on these, GM would happily pump out a few more 4 banger Cobalts to Hertz below cost to make up the average. GM still has some stigma to work thorugh at the 6 figure range but the V-Series cars and the new CTS are doing a lot to hlep the image.

we've had a couple black xlr's and one blue xlr-v here at arnold palmer cadillac for a couple weeks. they get plenty of inquiries and looks, but people still seem to be unsettled about spending $70+ for an american car

Cavender Caddy in San Antonio is moving them. I know nothing about their pricing.

This is a good question. I've never understood why the XLR doesn't sell better than it does. I realize the price of the car has crept up over the years, but considering the quality, look, styling and performance, it's a phenomenal car.

According to the XLR Net, production numbers really took a nosedive last year compared to previous years:

http://xlr-net.com/specs/2007/index.html

Based on Production numbers of 1 per hour 8 per shift,They [GM} are not planning on selling many. There sales goal through the end of dec 07, is 2000 cars total WOW!. They produce 1401 Impala's per shift and they run 2,3 shifts per day. So the real question How many is a dealer supposed to get. The only Dog according to inventory dates was the Passion Red ,some dealers sat on that one for 180 days and longer. Color counts. Are they still coming out with the Amiral white edition????

This is a good question. I've never understood why the XLR doesn't sell better than it does. I realize the price of the car has crept up over the years, but considering the quality, look, styling and performance, it's a phenomenal car.

According to the XLR Net, production numbers really took a nosedive last year compared to previous years:

http://xlr-net.com/specs/2007/index.html

I love the looks of the XLR, and I am a Caddy fan. I also realize the quality of the Corvette and the XLR--along the same plane.

If I had about $70k to $80k to spend on a car, I am convinced that I would go with a Vette. It has a history of sports car experience, a large following, etc. Somehow, in the back of my mind, I view the XLR as an 'experimental' car. I keep thinking that I would buy the Vette.

On the other hand, someone might be able to convince me otherwise, but I do not have that kind of money so spend on a car.

Both are great cars; both as lookers.

As one who owned a 2006 SSR and sold it with less then 1000 miles I understand why it can be had for $10K off list. It is a nice idea that was poorly pulled off. The interior is too small, the 400 hp car I had with 6 speed at 4700 pounds plus was overweight and under powered. The car has no punch, it needs torque to push you back in the seat. It had a folding hard top that was a work of art, it was cool looking and I could have over looked being cramped, but it had no punch, with no punch there was no or very little fun. I have owned many sporty cars the ones that had a real punch keep my interest and i kept them for a while. I have found cars with zinger motors that quote low zero to 60 times fall short due the the missing torque or seat of pants feel when you punch same. The German's spent years telling us six cylinders were better then a V8, but look today they all are bragging about the torque of their V8's. I bought a new 2004 BMW 6cyl M-3 convert with SMG and the traded it with only 800 miles and 4 weeks for a 2004 Corvette Convert because it was such a dog off the line, with no torque. No Torque with the SMG. I have owned about 8 or 9 Corvettes and love same (the later years best), but now I think I am ready for the Old man's Vette the XLR if I start looking at another 2 seater.
John D


GM dealers shoot themselves in the foot everytime. It happend with the 01 z06, 03 SSR, 03 CTS-V, and is now going to happen with the xlr-v, sad stuff. You can now buy a brand new ssr for 10k off sticker go figure.
Erik

GM dealers shoot themselves in the foot everytime. It happend with the 01 z06, 03 SSR, 03 CTS-V, and is now going to happen with the xlr-v, sad stuff. You can now buy a brand new ssr for 10k off sticker go figure.
Erik

There is no such thing as an 03 CTS-V, the first year was 2004...sorry I am bored and felt like correcting someone. :bonkers:

I think the XLR is gorgeous, but it is underpowered compared to its real competitors like the Mercedes SL, the base Northstar is well under the SL550 in the HP department and even the V trails the previous and current AMG SL.
Plus how do you justify that a stock Vette will run with the XLR-V for tens of thousands less. Exclusivity and luxury do have their price but Caddy is not there yet. The XLR-V for 70k might attract quite a bit more buyers, or give it well over 500 hp to justify the 100k price tag. I think Caddy might be headed that route, they will probably fit the next CTS-V's LSA Supercharged 6.2 in the next gen XLR-V, let it develop around 600 HP, just below the upcoming Vette ZL-R, now than would be very interesting.

They are selling. Please stop this thread. If not just buy yourself a V
and this will stop.The best car to own and to drive. It is soft and comfortable
and nasty as you want it. It unites both worlds of simple drive and radical racing. Beast in tuxedo.

Corvette cannot do that. I owned one. Sold it. Too rough. Only Race.

XLR-V is very exclusive. I love it.

I have not seen another V in two years besides mine.


The are selling. Okay few thousand less than GM wanted to sell them for
but that was the plan to compete with Mercedes SL. They are working
on the plan. Wait until 2012 to see me V. They will outsell all.

Take care.

The Boss

They are selling...I have not seen another V in two years besides mine. Make up your mind :hide:

I thought the numbers spoke for themselves, that they haven't sold well? IIRC, even the CTS-V's sales dropped off in 07?

I think there are alot of small issues explaining why they haven't sold well. And I know they addressed alot of these issues with the new CTS and its advertising.

V are getting sold. I have bought mine brand new 10k below dealer's invoice.
So I got a great car with great price and 0% financing.
I cannot complain.

So the question is if they are selling at MSRP or above MSRP is different then if the dealers are moving these cars at reduced prices.

Only consumers benefit from this deal. Thank you GM. I say that everday.

XLR-V in the new version will be a much world accepted car.
Do you remember the first Corvette. It was garbage and look what GM
is cooking up with ZR1 or Blue Devil what ever is the name this week.

Wait and see. I think the new XLR-V will resemble today's Lamborghini Gallardo. Visually V already has the same outline as Lamborgini.
The goods are cooking up in GM.

Wait and see. Enjoy your ride TODAY.

THE BOSS

V are getting sold. I have bought mine brand new 10k below dealer's invoice.
So I got a great car with great price and 0% financing.
I cannot complain.

So the question is if they are selling at MSRP or above MSRP is different then if the dealers are moving these cars at reduced prices.

Only consumers benefit from this deal. Thank you GM. I say that everday.

XLR-V in the new version will be a much world accepted car.
Do you remember the first Corvette. It was garbage and look what GM
is cooking up with ZR1 or Blue Devil what ever is the name this week.

Wait and see. I think the new XLR-V will resemble today's Lamborghini Gallardo. Visually V already has the same outline as Lamborgini.
The goods are cooking up in GM.

Wait and see. Enjoy your ride TODAY.

THE BOSS

http://www.edge-inc.net/images/cars/cadillac_cien_doors_up_side.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/the_island/theisland_cien.jpg

Now that's the car I want.

I'm sure it's been asked (but I'm new here).

How come the XLR-V is only 443HP when the STS-V is 469HP? :alchi:

The reason for horse power difference is because in sts-v the exhaust is more "open".

I really think that XLR-V is underrated with horsepower. Just GM way
of marketing. I think in reality for certain XLR-V the real horsepower are
somewhere from 465 to 485. DO the math. 4.3 sec 0-60mph.

BOSS

I'm sure it's been asked (but I'm new here).

How come the XLR-V is only 443HP when the STS-V is 469HP? :alchi:

I believe the difference is due to intake limitations (flattened intake) due to less room in engine compartment of XLRV. The exhaust systems are virtually identical. Both systems have a butterfly valve which opens at 3,000 RPM to further release any back pressure while emitting a beautiful, but subtle v8 roar. When tested on a dyno the xlrv delivered between 356 RWHP and 375 RWHP depending on fuel type (California or other), temperature and dyno manufacturer. The 6 speed auto uses a lot of the crank HP before going to the wheels. The stock intake has an inline sound restrictor to hold down (eliminate supercharger whine). As a result of the type of air filters a screen wire dam is added (I assume in case filter is left out) to prevent the intake of junk. Dramatic gains in RWHP can be achieved by removing these intake restrictions.

Interesting info. :yup:

Interesting info. :yup:

Wow!! looks like you got a hot ride.:devil:..I imagine you have had it on the strip for a 1/4 mile ET; what does it turn? I imagine that is not a daily driver. What is it like on street? I thought my caddy was mean with 407 to wheels.

Wow!! looks like you got a hot ride.:devil:..I imagine you have had it on the strip for a 1/4 mile ET; what does it turn? I imagine that is not a daily driver. What is it like on street? I thought my caddy was mean with 407 to wheels.

Quick65, Yes the car rips.
To date I have not tracked it.
Someday perhaps. :cool:

I don't daily drive it, but easily could.
The car is a dream to drive on the street.
The clutch pedal is light and slips easily at take-off.
The engine (cam) is very mild mannered (with a light Rt foot) and torque is plentifull everywhere in the powerband.
It runs perfectly on 91 octane to boot.

Naturally the response to the Rt foot is more lively.
Once you step-on-it, all hell breaks loose. :bonkers:

BTW - 407RWHP is mean.
What caddy?
I just hit that at 4250RPM :duck:

:yup:Quick65, BTW - 407RWHP is mean.
What caddy?
I just hit that at 4250RPM :duck:

Thanks for the overview. I don't think I could resist the track with that bad boy of yours! It’s amazing how today’s cars can deliver awesome power and still be street able.

My daily driver is a 2007 XLRV with stage 1&2 D3 intake. The 407 is max RWH at about 6500 rpm. The torque is also impressive at 390 foot lbs delivered early at just 3500RPMs. Factoring back loss in 6speed auto it is estimated to be over 500HP at:cop: crank. Yes it is grandpa’s caddy

Quick65, XLR-V is a sweet ride.
I always liked them and am still considering getting one.
500HP (like yours) and a Corvette 6 Speed Manual, would make it perfect in my book. :cloud9:

Have you ever had a chance to stomp on a C5 or C6? :lildevil:

Quick65, XLR-V is a sweet ride.
I always liked them and am still considering getting one.
500HP (like yours) and a Corvette 6 Speed Manual, would make it perfect in my book. :cloud9:

Have you ever had a chance to stomp on a C5 or C6? :lildevil:

Not on the street but on paper the V would hurt a c6.
My last qtr mile time was 12.5 the stock xlrv is 12.7 the c6 is 12.8 I believe I can get a 12.4. but can't touch zo6 12.0 qtr is FAST. The V like me is over weight compared to z06. The retractable hard top on V is heavy.

Sounds like the stock XLR-V really is under rated. :D

I'm sure it's been asked (but I'm new here).

How come the XLR-V is only 443HP when the STS-V is 469HP? :alchi:


Smaller engine compartment, less air.

Not on the street but on paper the V would hurt a c6.
My last qtr mile time was 12.5 the stock xlrv is 12.7 the c6 is 12.8 I believe I can get a 12.4. but can't touch zo6 12.0 qtr is FAST. The V like me is over weight compared to z06. The retractable hard top on V is heavy.



For 40k less I can stand the extra 1/10th of a second slower in the 1/4 mile. and for 20k less the Z06 will eat it. but it is supposed to. The soon to be ZR1 for about the same price as a xlr-v will eat the Z06. Having said that the xlr-v is one good looking car and plenty fast, but IMHO should not be so high priced.

Yes, the XLR-V is way out of line on price. :tisk:
Clearly GM did not expect their target customers to be able to handle any more power than that.

Nevertheless, the ZR1 will make the XLR seem cheap. :suspect:
I expect ZR1's will be selling in the range of the Ford GT.
Greedy bastard dealers. :annoyed:

I am not so sure if GM worries about their target market 'handling more power’. It looks like they will (till mileage requirements stop the HP race) continue their current strategy of making a ‘super vet (z06 now or ZR1 2009) that is faster than the XLRV while the XLRV will trump the standard Vet. The 2009 XLRV is rumored to be loaded with 600 Crank HP as well as being lighter. It will also be sub 4 sec 0-60. I have driven the Z06 and the XLRV. The V has a much different ride (softer) and would not stack up against the C6 or z06 on the track but if you want to take a nice Sunday drive and don’t want to see your self coming (same car) every few blocks the XLRV is the one. With the kind of power the C06, Z06, XLRV, and Viper have a short stoplight run will only reflect the driver’s skill (reflex and how good they hook up). When going heads (stop light drag long 1/4 mile) you could easily see .5 sec difference in reaction time. That would/could cause the slowest to cross the line first. These are all rockets.:)

i think GM looked at Jaguar's XK/XKR's as the comparison to the XLR, and the HP numbers are in line with that; perhaps they didn't want to look much farther than to knock off Ford's exotic as a first step to see whether it'd be worth committing further resources to developing this model (and then going after the Germans), who knows?

Interestingly, a few years ago I owned a Jag S-Type R, which was gorgeous to look at, engaging to drive but pretty much mechanically a barrel of shite. One of the big 3 car magazines did a review comparo of the STR, and what'd they put it up against? the CTS-V, of course. Seems many in Detroit have a conception of those two brands as "together", perhaps sharing the "low end" of the luxury/high-end production (nonexotic) car market or something?

In any case, I'd expect that if they were more confident going in that they'd be taken seriously by MBZ buyers from jumpstreet, they might have put more horses under the hood if possible. If the next generation XLR-V comes with beefed up power, I'd look for much more aggressive marketing to go with it, defining the competition as the German roadsters and giving them a run for the money. My impression of the first-generation XLR-V is that it has been a (successful) learning experiment/test run.

In any event, I love the XLR-V and would love to own a black/black '07 or newer (assuming they solved the "hot drivetrain tunnel" problem the '06's had). For now, until I find something at a price point I can live with secondhand, I'm quite happy in my '02 SL 500 "silver arrow" edition; it's all that and still plays cassettes as well as CD's in the stereo...

Yes, the XLR-V is way out of line on price. :tisk:
Clearly GM did not expect their target customers to be able to handle any more power than that.

Nevertheless, the ZR1 will make the XLR seem cheap. :suspect:
I expect ZR1's will be selling in the range of the Ford GT.
Greedy bastard dealers. :annoyed:

I heard 100k range but maybe that's just wishful thinking?