If gas hits 3 plus dollars a gallon like its supposed to i am going to seriously start buring down these rape stations..oh i mean gas stations. There is absolutely no good reason why gas has jumped almost a dollar in the past two months. It is only going to continue to rise as well. Gas dropped here down to 2.09 and now has jumped 50 plus cents. I know this is going to effect everyone here since caddy gets dismal gas mileage. I was going to get a deville dts but seriously reconsidering now. I might as well, just get a mercedes C class 4 banger. I dont know about you but flushing 60 dollars down my take every 4 days is really going to drive me nuts.

I can do nothing about the prices, so I'm not worrying about it.

I hear ya brother. Pisses me off too. The oil companies say it is the speculators who are driving the prices but then report a billion dollars a day profit when gas was at $3 right after Katrina. Then Congress make a thinly veiled attemp to make it look like they care and are doing something about it. We need to tell the tree huggers to go to hell, drill where we have oil and build more refineries. :rant2:

I've already started my search for a Honda Civic...:leaving:

I hear ya brother. Pisses me off to. The oil companies say it is the speculators who are driving the prices but then report a billion dollars a day profit when gas was at $3 right after Katrina. Then Congress make a thinly veiled attemp to make it look like they care and are doing something about it.:rant2:

And that's just scraping the surface of the bullshit that's going on!

I've already started my search for a Honda Civic...:leaving:
:eek: I could not live with myself if I had to do that.

I already drive a turbo diesel VW, I can not afford to drive my eldorado every day at 7 MPG

:eek: I could not live with myself if I had to do that.

Well, I have a few grand sitting around, so, my choices are limited. I was saving for something really nice, but a few things got in the way, so again, $5,000 is about the limit.

I have seen a nice 2002 Altima for $9,000 with under 100K on the clock, but that's more than I have the cash for. An early to mid '90's Honda is the next best bet. A Cavalier would be a good choice too (reliability concerns though)...

Only there's one problem: the ass-wipe used car dealers here are also taking advantage of buyers with their high prices on their (econo) cars. For example, the Honda that I was talking about is a '92 Civic for $3,200 with well over 100,000 miles! That's a little pricey for a 14 year old car!!!

My 20 year old eta gets excellent gas mileage and is a blast to drive. I fear no gas raping. :thumbsup:

My 20 year old eta gets excellent gas mileage and is a blast to drive. I fear no gas raping. :thumbsup:

I'll send ya a cookie :thumbsup:

Thanks! :D

I know it's a pain in the butt at the pumps, but anybody price a gallon of Evian lately?...

Considering what goes in to making it, gas is still a hell of a deal here, compared to virutally anyplace else in the world.

Believe me, I'm no fan of the OilCo's but considering the alternatives, there's not much choice.

Thanks! :D

Do you like chocolate or peanut butter? I need to know NOW!!!

Jim, I understand what you're saying, but at $175.00 per month in my gas bill already, I really do fear this threatened raise in prices!

That said, I have been doing some research on the 1995 Chevy Cavalier and it gets 25 city - 32 highway with an automatic. They are supposed to be booking at $1500 for a decent one, so now I'm going to have a look at the local ad's.

Do you like chocolate or peanut butter? I need to know NOW!!!

Definately peanut butter. I'm not a huge fan of chocolate.
Just e-mail it to me when you have the chance. :)

Definately peanut butter. I'm not a huge fan of chocolate.
Just e-mail them to me whenyou have the chance. :)

Damnedest thing; I don't have your email address, so I guess this means no Wal-Mart cookies for you :(

Hmmm, sounds like there might be some good deals on '03 DHS's soon. Anyone want an '02 SLS?

Come on guys, I live in Canada where gas is almost always over 3 bucks a gallon, I make 8.75 and hour and I can afford to drive my '70 Deville around, I'd kill for US gas prices.

Ranger, I'd love an '02 SLS...send it my way! I'm actually on the market for a new vehicle... :)

Eldorado...but then you wouldn't be able to spend your money ON that gas...so it'd be kinda pointless? :)

Fuel is running higher than hell here... 2.85 for the cheapo, 2.90 for diesel.

We need to tell the tree huggers to go to hell, drill where we have oil and build more refineries. :rant2:


Smartest thing I have ever heard you say! Seriously! :thumbsup:

Ha! You say you're going to riot because of $3.00 gas? Well start rioting! It's $3.23 here for super and going UP! It really sucks for me because I drive over 80 miles a day to get to and from college. That's a quarter tank of gas a day, $35 to fill it up at half a tank. $70 to fill it up when its at E. God I hate gas!

WE NEED MORE OPTIONS GM!!! DO YOU HEAR ME?

I want to make solar and wind powered electrolysis plants to get hydrogen so that we can burn hydrogen in our engines. You can run piston engines on hydrogen, and hydrogen tanks are litterally bullet proof. Also the only emmision you would get from burning hydrogen would be water vapor. All I need is the money... lol...

Eldorado...but then you wouldn't be able to spend your money ON that gas...so it'd be kinda pointless? :)


True enough, maybe I shouldn't kill anyone... :)

Down here in BC, canada, its about $1.15 per LITRE!!! That is discusting!!! My 87 better get atleast 16-18mpg avg gas milege!!!!! If not, then the 87 will be seeing a 3800 V6!

Yeah, my dad came home talking about buying a 97 Geo Metro (automatic) for $2200. Compared to driving the SHO to work which he does currently it would take 10-12 years to pay for itself, not including insurance. No way a Metro is gonna even last 12 years. It's usually pretty stupid to buy one of the tiny econoboxes unless that's going to be your ONLY transportation.

Jim, I understand what you're saying, but at $175.00 per month in my gas bill already, I really do fear this threatened raise in prices!

That said, I have been doing some research on the 1995 Chevy Cavalier and it gets 25 city - 32 highway with an automatic. They are supposed to be booking at $1500 for a decent one, so now I'm going to have a look at the local ad's.

illumina, my grandfather just found a car, and my parents bought it, for my sister. i am driving it currently until i get new brake lines on my roadmaster, and i am quite impressed with this saturn.

it is a 2000 SL1 with 76,000 miles and was something like $4k. it gets 28-30 mpg city, and last highway trip we got 38.5.

ive never been fond of saturn, but this one is definitely growing on me. black cherry, totally loaded. good stereo, and pretty quiet inside for a cheap little car.

just another idea

I win. $9 US a gallon.

Ha! You say you're going to riot because of $3.00 gas? Well start rioting! It's $3.23 here for super and going UP! It really sucks for me because I drive over 80 miles a day to get to and from college. That's a quarter tank of gas a day, $35 to fill it up at half a tank. $70 to fill it up when its at E. God I hate gas!

WE NEED MORE OPTIONS GM!!! DO YOU HEAR ME?

I want to make solar and wind powered electrolysis plants to get hydrogen so that we can burn hydrogen in our engines. You can run piston engines on hydrogen, and hydrogen tanks are litterally bullet proof. Also the only emmision you would get from burning hydrogen would be water vapor. All I need is the money... lol...

Consider it done :rant2: :thepan: :bouncy: :want: but on a serious note this is really sad. There has not been a cut in oil supply. No mysterious hurricanes to blame the disruption of oil on. Hell around here it was only 2.55 when katrina hit. Explain to me how the total destruction of a city and several refineries vs the summer "driving season". C'mon its a total scam. I have always been a fan of v8 big muscle cars etc. I own a camaro SS and use it as my daily during the summer and putting in 91 octain is going to rape me hard. As well, as all you caddy owners. I was seriously looking at a DTS and STS but now i am shying away towards a C230 sedan or a 325i even lexus IS is starting to look good. Also i HATE compact cars, small sedans etc. I am not a big guy on 5'10 but i just feel so cramped and you cant carry more then like 3 people in those roller skates. I also have a nice 19 mile commute to school every day and a 16 mile commute to work in the opposite direction. My gf lives 30 miles away from me. I go through a 20 gal tank of gas in just about 4 days.

I can do nothing about the prices, so I'm not worrying about it.
But this is where most americans are wrong, if all drivers could do what the Mexicans just did to prove a point and show the goverment what could happen. Then why can't car owners just all stop buying gas for one week, and if everyone plans ahead and has some stored for that week folks could still drive but for one week it would put a little hurt on the gas companies, it will not hurt them much but will show the power of folks working together, which saddly does not happen often enough in the United States.But just my 2 cents worth.

Honestly all I'll say is tighten up those bungholes. The future will be no brighter. Odds are within the next 1-2 years you will see even worse global weather and stronger hurricanes. Plus the countries of Iran and Venezuela and their radical nutbags affecting global oil prices. Enjoy the 3.00 a gallon while you can. :(

Didn't someone mention hydrogen? That is the cure for those pesky Iranian and Venezuelan leaders...

That said, the market is the prime factor for the raise in prices. They anticipate things like huricanes, lions, tigers, bears, idiot foreign leaders, China, India, and a gullible American public who actually believes the hype of a shortage to drive the price of oil-per-barrel up a few dollars. It makes them all a lot of money I guess :hmm:

Come on guys, I live in Canada where gas is almost always over 3 bucks a gallon, I make 8.75 and hour and I can afford to drive my '70 Deville around, I'd kill for US gas prices.

Ya, but you get FREE health care..........:stirpot:

I also have a nice 19 mile commute to school every day and a 16 mile commute to work in the opposite direction. My gf lives 30 miles away from me. I go through a 20 gal tank of gas in just about 4 days.

I have a 262 mile commute, everyday.......Costs me $600.00 a month just to drive back and forth to work....

I laugh, people think that buying a hybrid is the final solution to paying for gas, which in part it is, but heres what you gotta think of: You buy a $24,000 Prius, and its gets like 45MPG or you could buy a pretty nice '75 DeVille for $6,000, and take that extra ~$18,000 and spend it on gas and insurance. At my level of driving of 15,000 miles at year, and the '75 DeVille would get around 12MPG average, which means I would use about 1250 gallons a year (15,000 miles/12 MPG) which would amount to $3487.5 a year. Now take that $18,000 and divide it by $3487.5, which means I could ride in style for just over 5 years before breaking $24,000 total.

Just for comparison, that Prius that gets around 45MPG average is only gonna need about 335 gallons a year. Which costs around $940 a year at 2.79 a gallon.

Technically speaking, It requires the same amount of energy to move a an object of a certain mass, no matter what form that energy is in. So in driving a hybrid, you are not actually getting power savings at all. In fact you are wasting more energy with a hybrid because fossil fuels have to be burned and converted into electricity (Which is not 100% efficient so there is energy losses there). Then more energy is wasted when charging the cars batteries (also not 100% efficient). The main reason why that car would get good gas milage is because it has less mass than other cars. Other than that, the use of batteries simply masks the fact that it's not really saving energy. It is cheaper though because electricity is fairly cheap compaired to gasoline.

Here is the answer , JUST ONE FUC-ING BOMB . Drop it and then take the oil . Be the bully for christ sake. If anyone else gives us shit then the answer is the same .

^ I agree!


I have to wonder what they're saying about this over on the hybrid forums....

The other thing to consider about the hybrid is the fact that repair costs after warranty will be astronomical. With that fact, the parts in those little electric scooters will most certaily fail much sooner when compared to a regular gasoline car. A two-for-one deal that I'm not will to gamble on; I'll take a gasoline car anyday!

That said, I may have found one solution to my quest for cutting the costs of fuel: I found a 1992 Mazda 626 with a 5-speed for $550. I might have a look at this car real soon; it gets 24 mpg city and 32 mpg highway, which is about a 28 mpg average between the two. I'll take that for a daily while I drive the pimpmobile Cadillac on the weekends...

What kills me is the Sunoco GT 100. Two summers ago it was $3.49 a gallon. It's now $5.85 (or was a few days ago).

I was thinking about getting a motorcycle for my commute. They get great gas mileage, but it sucks to drive them in bad weather.

Jim

I have a 262 mile commute, everyday.......Costs me $600.00 a month just to drive back and forth to work....
:eek: Holy tanker truck Batman! I hope they pay you well. Not only do you burn up a lot of gas, but I can only imagine the tires, not to mention cars you go through.

That said, I may have found one solution to my quest for cutting the costs of fuel: I found a 1992 Mazda 626 with a 5-speed for $550. I might have a look at this car real soon; it gets 24 mpg city and 32 mpg highway, which is about a 28 mpg average between the two. I'll take that for a daily while I drive the pimpmobile Cadillac on the weekends...

Great cars! My dad had one from '94- May '05, 192k miles and the only reason we dont have it anymore is because it got totalled. My dad loved that car, soooo reliable, so easy to work on, and when it was newer, he would get around 25-26mpg, but as the miles got on it, the AVG MPG dropped to around 22-23. He had the DX edition in dark red, with grey cloth interior. Fun little car to drive, quite sporty, automatic. It's the car I took my drivers test in. That car to me is the '89 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight to Rick.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/753000-753999/753753_34_full.jpg

Only Pic I have, this is after it was totalled.

Technically speaking, It requires the same amount of energy to move a an object of a certain mass, no matter what form that energy is in. So in driving a hybrid, you are not actually getting power savings at all. In fact you are wasting more energy with a hybrid because fossil fuels have to be burned and converted into electricity (Which is not 100% efficient so there is energy losses there). Then more energy is wasted when charging the cars batteries (also not 100% efficient). The main reason why that car would get good gas milage is because it has less mass than other cars. Other than that, the use of batteries simply masks the fact that it's not really saving energy. It is cheaper though because electricity is fairly cheap compaired to gasoline.

Regenerative braking and less time with the gasoline engine actually running...

Still they end up being cost prohibitive, especially with maintnenece and repair.

I know it's a pain in the butt at the pumps, but anybody price a gallon of Evian lately?...

Considering what goes in to making it, gas is still a hell of a deal here, compared to virutally anyplace else in the world.

Believe me, I'm no fan of the OilCo's but considering the alternatives, there's not much choice.

Last I knew, people in Iraq were paying I think 35 cents a gallon???? Follow the money trail and you will find the person in charge of these rises.....GEORGE W. BUSH!

Last I knew, people in Iraq were paying I think 35 cents a gallon???? Follow the money trail and you will find the person in charge of these rises.....GEORGE W. BUSH!


Not sure the price differential offsets the risks. :rolleyes:

And despite the intuitional benefits of thinking that GWB is behind these price rises, I prefer to "blame" the OilCos themselves - maximizing profit is the name of the game, whether we like it or not. If people pay at the marketplace, prices rise to meet demand. If everyone stayed home one day a month, prices would fall. The American thirst for gasoline is, however, predictable and steady. If I had a product that I knew people would buy, day after day, month after month, with very little price elasticity, I'd charge more for it too.

We do it ourselves, so it's not hard to understand. Anybody here ever gone to their employer and offered to work for LESS money? I honestly don't think GWB is smart enough to be behind this (or even his advisors and coven of hangers-on). Prices rose during the administrations of Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and Bush senior as well. As did prices of Milk, Roofing tar, Elmer's Glue-All, Pencils, and sneaker laces.

Compared to the average prices of other common consumables such as milk and Snickers Bars, gasoline has just about mirrored their rise in the last quarter century. And I haven't seen that many protests and public outrage over the price of a gallon of milk recently, which, given the government's price supports and subsidies to milk producers, is probably far more deserving of howls of outrage. But we buy milk a gallon at a time. Maybe two gallons a week. We buy gas 20 or more gallons at a time, and unlike milk, we tend to buy gas as a 'single commodity' - it's the only product on the receipt, except for the occasional Slushie. Milk, bread, cheese, and Snickers Bars have their prices subsumed in the overall grocery bill. We don't notice it as much.

But that doesn't mean it's not there.

Compared to overall inflation, gas prices have tended to remain steady or climb just a bit, matching the rise in other goods and services. You have to look at the overall economic picture - inflation, GDP, per capita income, not just the absolute price itself. For example, as a percentage of per capita income, we pay FAR less now for gasoline that we did back in the heyday of low prices, the mid 1950's. But unless you remember the days when the minimum wage was $1.15, and the average salary for a professional person with a white collar job was $8500 a year, it's hard to make the connection.

I remember when a McDonald's hamburger was fifteen cents. A cheeseburger was nineteen cents. Has the ten-fold rise in burger prices done anything to curb your appetite for a Big Mac? Or better yet, do we seriously think that the (current) Prez had anything to do with it?

I still maintain that pump prices, however onerous they may seem to be, are still a bargain here in the US compared to 95% of the rest of the world, and, short of buying a lot of stock in ExxonMobil, Texaco, and BP, the best we can do is try to be as efficient as possible with the gas in our tanks.

As someone who's seen gas prices when they were 19 cents a gallon, I know how it can be when they rise unexpectedly. I remember waiting lin lines during the early 70s for two hours for the right to buy 5 dollars worth, on odd/even days. And I feel for those of you who HAVE to drive long distances for work, school, etc. All I can possibly suggest is car pooling and ride sharing.

As Americans, we have come to cherish our freedom to just get in the car and go, whenever and wherever we want - the rest of the world doesn't enjoy this kind of almost profligate consumption. So I hesitate to pout and cry too much, as it would be very unseemly for us to do so in the light of $7.00 and above prices elsewhere.

It's not so much that the price has risen, it's the fact that in the last 12 months, prices have risen 100% AND in the same 12 months, iol companies have recorded record profits in the 10's of BILLIONS of dollars.

Also remember, the reason fuel costs more in Europe & other places than the US is because of TAXES.

Make no mistake, this is the beginning of the end. Fuel prices affect EVERYTHING in our daily lives, whether one drives or not! I predict that within the next 5 years we're going to be in a recession that will make the "great depression" look like a small "market adjustment." One of, but not the only reason, will be the greed of "big oil" making the rich even richer & the poor even poorer.

I thought I had read somewhere that prices overall had risen ten fold since the late '60s, which means that the $.25 a gallon gasoline is relatively the same as the $2.50 a gallon gas nowadays.

Just think about it, in 1969, the MSRP on a brand new Sedan deVille was $5954. Nowadays, the MSRP for the new DTS is $41,990. Which means that the price for a brand new Cadillac has risen over seven fold (7.05 to be exact) since 1969.

I posted this cartoon in a different forum, but I still think it's funny and relevant for anybody who hasn't already seen it:

http://www.gdwriter.com/cruella/Borgman.gif

While I recognize inflation has increased the prices on everything—don't get me started on car prices—Big Oil uses the higher cost of crude oil as a cover to jack up up retail prices well beyond what it costs them. Big Oil's record profits indicate they're taking advantage of the situation—and screwing the motoring public in the process.

I have a 44-mile round-trip drive to work, and I spend roughly $40 a week on gas. The DeVille averages 16-18 MPG, the Impala averages 12-15 MPG, but I'm not in the position to buy a more economical car.

I recognize that driving is a choice, and I've chosen to drive big V-8 powered cars. I would have fewer complaints about the price of gas if I didn't know that Big Oil is taking advantage of me—and laughing all the way to the bank.

It's not so much that the price has risen, it's the fact that in the last 12 months, prices have risen 100% AND in the same 12 months, iol companies have recorded record profits in the 10's of BILLIONS of dollars.

Also remember, the reason fuel costs more in Europe & other places than the US is because of TAXES.

Make no mistake, this is the beginning of the end. Fuel prices affect EVERYTHING in our daily lives, whether one drives or not! I predict that within the next 5 years we're going to be in a recession that will make the "great depression" look like a small "market adjustment." One of, but not the only reason, will be the greed of "big oil" making the rich even richer & the poor even poorer.

DBDartman is right. Look at the airline industry. It's two biggest expenses are labor and fuel. Like us, the airlines can't do much about the cost of fuel, so they've had to squeeze all of their savings out of labor. Ask Ranger about the squeeze on labor (Ranger works for United; maybe other members work for airlines as well). Pillows, blankets, meal service? Gone or going away to save money and weight, which saves on fuel.

Southwest has managed to keep its fares low and remain profitable solely due to fuel hedges, but most of those will expire this year. So they'll have no choice but to raise fares. And Southwest has tremendous pricing power in the market, so the rest of the industry will likely follow suit. Good luck getting a cheap ticket to anywhere.

If you use UPS or FedEx, you've no doubt seen those prices rise. I think FedEx even explicitly mentions a fuel surcharge.

You'll pay higher prices at the grocery store—and any retailer for that matter—because it costs more to get goods to market.

Your utilities—all headed up. Even if your house is all electric, many utilities use natural gas to generate electricity, so you're not immune.

I genuinely worry about the future of the economy. Between sharply rising prices and stagnant incomes cause by the decline of U.S. manufacturing and cheap offshore labor, the middle class is being squeezed like never before. Sadly, most business and government leaders, who are rich and getting richer, don't give a damn. They got theirs and to hell with everybody else.

For the comments on European gas prices, Europe, in so far as I know, does not have an economy based on people getting to work by driving their cars like we do in the United States. Here in America, most people live in sprawled out cities where a drive to work is about 15 to 20 miles one way. Some countries in Europe take about 2 hours to drive through! So when I say that I get tired of hearing the comparisons to other countries, just remember what I just said...

As for big oil, they're ripping us off and having a good laugh about it! Gdwriter is 100% correct in saying that when we bought our cars, we did have a choice, but even when I purchased my daily driver, a 1991 Seville, four years ago, gasoline wasn't even close to the rip-off that it is now. I guess if you follow the logic of some big oil fanatics, I should have forseen this astronomical raise in prices, huh?

Ranger is right on, it's time to start drilling and building refineries.... and hey, I hear a lot of talk about E85, but I don't see any near my house yet.... lets get moving on that.

I saw an interesting email, this is a new idea.... last year, the big kick was "Don't buy gas on a certain day of the week" to "send them a message".

This might be even better. The email says these people are going to totally boycott Exxon-Mobil. Do NOT buy gas from them under any circumstances. Hit ONE big oil company right between the eyes. Cut their sales down to zero. Or near zero.

That could be interesting. They might have to :eek: lower their prices!! (gasp!) And once THEY lower their prices, the OTHERS would have to lower their prices.....

Could be interesting....

Also remember, the reason fuel costs more in Europe & other places than the US is because of TAXES.


Correct. And a large portion of those taxes go to support mass transit systems, which would (historically) be far more expensive than the cost to utilize them reflects, were it not for the subsidy paid by auto drivers to allow bus and rail users to get to work more cheaply.

That is not the case in this country. Granted, there are many geographical dissimilarities which make mass transit in the US not as viable a solution as it is in Belgium or Luxembourg. However, I doubt many US citizens would support $7/gallon pricing to build better inner city and intra-city rail systems, notwithstanding the environmental and NIMBY resistance to such transit.

Believe me, I'm not a fan of the oil companies, by any means. What I'm trying to point out is that, 1) a lot of our anger is misplaced and misdirected, 2) our situation is still a lot better than it is in many other countries, and 3) ya pay for your thrills.

Environmental roadblocks need to be reduced to allow locating, extracting, transporting, refining and delivering crude oil products. BUT, how many of us want to live next to a refinery? (And don't point that finger, I live within 10 miles of about 30 of 'em).

But no matter what we do in the short term, prices will be high. We have a hell of a lot of cars in the US, we drink a hell of a lot of gasoline, and we don't appear to mind (very much, based on consumption figures) paying higher prices for it. Despite our yowling, the rise in gas prices has not had a very measurable effect on consumption.

Ethanol, hydrogen and other non-fossil fuel replacements for certain types of fossil fuel burning may provide some relief in certain areas, but the fact remains you can't run your car on windmill power.

We as a nation of drivers tend to buy as much gasoline as they'll sell us. That's the key - buy less, and the price will go down. Trouble is, we gotta convince the other 150 million drivers too...

For the comments on European gas prices, Europe, in so far as I know, does not have an economy based on people getting to work by driving their cars like we do in the United States. Here in America, most people live in sprawled out cities where a drive to work is about 15 to 20 miles one way. Some countries in Europe take about 2 hours to drive through! So when I say that I get tired of hearing the comparisons to other countries, just remember what I just said...

As for big oil, they're ripping us off and having a good laugh about it! Gdwriter is 100% correct in saying that when we bought our cars, we did have a choice, but even when I purchased my daily driver, a 1991 Seville, four years ago, gasoline wasn't even close to the rip-off that it is now. I guess if you follow the logic of some big oil fanatics, I should have forseen this astronomical raise in prices, huh?


Britain does, we pay nearly 70% tax on fuel, so it isnt the oil companies ripping us of, its the govt. Then there are congestion charges, parking chages, fnes for using bus lanes, speeding fines.

Britains is out to get the motorist.

Ranger is right on, it's time to start drilling and building refineries.... and hey, I hear a lot of talk about E85, but I don't see any near my house yet.... lets get moving on that.

I saw an interesting email, this is a new idea.... last year, the big kick was "Don't buy gas on a certain day of the week" to "send them a message".

This might be even better. The email says these people are going to totally boycott Exxon-Mobil. Do NOT buy gas from them under any circumstances. Hit ONE big oil company right between the eyes. Cut their sales down to zero. Or near zero.

That could be interesting. They might have to :eek: lower their prices!! (gasp!) And once THEY lower their prices, the OTHERS would have to lower their prices.....

Could be interesting....

Could be very interesting.

The big oil companies dont want to loose even a million dollars when they are making multi billions.

The thing is, unless people are faced with true impending doom, we tend to just "sit back and take it".

"lets take a day off from work, dont buy gas and protest in front of an oil companies corporate office!!!!" Usual reply: "Aww darn I cant miss work plus Im on empty".

We let them do this to us, but complacency and most peoples opinion that what they do "wont really make a difference" is why business itself thrives the way it does.

Hell, they know we hate them, and we b##ch to great extents, but where are you at some point in the day or week? The pump.

Necessity is a real bugger. However, most poeple definition of necessity is very misguided.

If the damn automakers werent so tight with the oil companies, we mite get a glimpse of that engine that gets 60-80 miles to the gallon non-hybrid we know they have.

Europe has an infrastructure that far exceeds the US so you dont need to drive. Unless you live in the city you NEED to drive in America. Weather its to get to work, school, whatever. America will cave and cave fast if oil rises more and more. If it hits even 5 dollars a gallon i think we will see alot of outrage. It will effect the economy so bad it wont be funny. Like someone else posted the great depression will probably be most compareable. However, the only people making out on stocks would be big oil. For those of you who defend big oil or try to rationalize it away..your only feeding the problem. The only way to get to them is through legislature. If the price of oil increases it becomes a national problem effecting EVERYONE. When small businesses start to fold and then the working man cant keep food on his table. It will result is mass panic and outrage. Which then becomes a problem for national security and we all know politicians want to stay in office so they will sway with the popular vote. Ethanol is going to be a popular alternative and i feel that is what we should push for. The only way to beat this crisis is to find alternatives.

Ohh My God... I damn near pissed myself today when I was going to fill up and saw the prices...



You may want to sit down for this...














$3.35 regular
$3.45 plus
$3.55 super


Now it's going to REALLY suck when we start thinking that these prices are cheap.....


Ohh yeah, you guys should take a look at Brazil. They barely use gasoline at all. Most of what they use is ethanol.

Europe has an infrastructure that far exceeds the US so you dont need to drive. Unless you live in the city you NEED to drive in America. Weather its to get to work, school, whatever. America will cave and cave fast if oil rises more and more. If it hits even 5 dollars a gallon i think we will see alot of outrage. It will effect the economy so bad it wont be funny. Like someone else posted the great depression will probably be most compareable. However, the only people making out on stocks would be big oil. For those of you who defend big oil or try to rationalize it away..your only feeding the problem. The only way to get to them is through legislature. If the price of oil increases it becomes a national problem effecting EVERYONE. When small businesses start to fold and then the working man cant keep food on his table. It will result is mass panic and outrage. Which then becomes a problem for national security and we all know politicians want to stay in office so they will sway with the popular vote. Ethanol is going to be a popular alternative and i feel that is what we should push for. The only way to beat this crisis is to find alternatives.

So am I stuck in a limbo? THe public transport system here sin't as good as France's, Holland's or Switzerland's. In fact it's dire. The only way to get from where my dad lives is the one bus an hour, which in fact, takes nearly 75 minutes to make its desitnation.

We are in fact, let with as much choice as you.

So am I stuck in a limbo? THe public transport system here sin't as good as France's, Holland's or Switzerland's. In fact it's dire. The only way to get from where my dad lives is the one bus an hour, which in fact, takes nearly 75 minutes to make its desitnation.

We are in fact, let with as much choice as you.

Unless you live in a major city in the US, there is not even one bus an hour, there is no bus at all and lots of small towns do not even have a taxi
and taxi drivers in the US do not require any sort of training, if you have a license, you can be a taxi driver most places, one of my jobs had me using alot of taxis and some of them were downright scary, either the car itself or the driver or both

Unless you live in a major city in the US, there is not even one bus an hour, there is no bus at all and lots of small towns do not even have a taxi
and taxi drivers in the US do not require any sort of training, if you have a license, you can be a taxi driver most places, one of my jobs had me using alot of taxis and some of them were downright scary, either the car itself or the driver or both

It explains alot, but the bus I just wrote about is only from a town 11 miles from one of the biggest cities in the country.