: I Got Arrested Today....



DopeStar 156
03-23-06, 10:50 PM
Today I was leaving school headed home. I was driving down a two lane road in the left lane. Traffic in front of me halted so I stopped, someone was trying to make a left. I wanted to get home so I went around the black BMW SUV that was in front of me. I got to a red light at the end of that road when I hear loud beeping next to me. I look and the passenger of that same black BMW is hanging out the window flipping me off with both hands. I dropped the window and he screamed **** you at me. I told him to take his fingers and stick 'em up his ass and I took off. I pulled into a gas station to get gas since I was low when I got outta the car that ****ing BMW pulled up next to me and they got out. The kid who flipped me off started yelling at me some more and he pushed me. I told him to get the **** away from me before shit got ugly, he pushed me again this time into my Chevy so I railed the ******* with my right fist directly between his eyes. He fell back and smashed into the fender of the BMW and fell. At this point I felt someone grab my shoulder and push me down on my own car. I felt the cuffs hit my wrists and my rights were being read to me. The cop who suddenly appeared escorted me to an idling Crown Victoria as he walked over and cuffed the guy I hit. He started asking us questions about what happened, I told him what happened, and a couple of the gas attendants said I was defending myself. After an hour the cop let me go because it was self defense. I didn't stick around to see what happened to the *******s in the BMW. I was completely livid the whole ride home. I still can't figure out what I ****ing did!!! Why would these idiots attempt to start shit with me?! For going around them?! That's all I can think of..... I seriously hope that ****ing BMW rolls over and kills them both. COMPLETELY unnecessary!!!

Jesda
03-23-06, 10:54 PM
What a bunch of smelly twats!

Rolex
03-23-06, 10:59 PM
Damn BMW drivers. :hide:

FredMaxwell
03-23-06, 11:04 PM
One of these days those ****s will run into a guy who aint going to play with them.. and they will be shot. Just as they need to be.
Blam.
Bad people go bye bye :)

terrible one
03-23-06, 11:06 PM
WTF? that's stupid...
They deserved that punch in the face if you ask me, as said that's just uncalled for.

danbuc
03-23-06, 11:09 PM
I had a joke that went with that comment too, but I forgot it. Anyway, those bastards will get what they have comin' to them soon enough if thay keep pullin' that s*! Good job punching that guy in the face. Hopefully that's a lesson that he won't soon forget.:thumbsup: Sometimes, people just need a good swift knock to the skull to remind them to stop being such an *******.

cadillacdeville
03-23-06, 11:12 PM
One of these days those ****s will run into a guy who aint going to play with them.. and they will be shot. Just as they need to be.
Blam.
Bad people go bye bye :)
I hear ya on that here in Texas its legal to cary a loaded gun in the car if your traveling across county lines nobody starts to much of that kinda stuff around here you just don't know what the other guys packin':gun2:

Ranger
03-23-06, 11:13 PM
An armed society is a polite society.

DopeStar 156
03-23-06, 11:14 PM
I for one hope they do cross that guy with the gun someday! That ******* made imprints in my fingers with my rings!!

Night Wolf
03-23-06, 11:14 PM
My theory that "Jersey drivers suck" is proved yet again....

SpeedyArizona
03-23-06, 11:14 PM
That's why I always carry a gun in my glovebox, once you point that at some jackass in his BMW (Lincoln, whatever), he automatically steps on the brakes and leaves me alone. I guess they don't like a gun being pointed at their head...go figure.

That sounds awful, what the hell did you do that this guy followed you to a gas station?

Stoneage_Caddy
03-23-06, 11:17 PM
I belive its :
What the diffrnce between a Porquepine and a BMW ?
On a BMW the *****s are on the inside

or
Whats the Diffrence between a BMW Convertible and a Porquepine ?
None , the *****s are boath on the outside ...

If you ask me when it comes to the BMW it isnt so much the car , but the people that buy them , the cars are serious machines , but the price tag keeps them out of the hands of those who would use it , and puts it into the people to use it to make up for a small dick ....same could be said for most SUVs ....

Its the folks with the corollas who can be generalized by the car .....

DopeStar 156
03-23-06, 11:18 PM
That sounds awful, what the hell did you do that this guy followed you to a gas station?
I DON'T KNOW!!!! If I had to guess, maybe that I went around him? But I didn't nearrowly hit him or anything, I flipped on a signal and pulled around, slowly, not like an ass. I have no freakin' idea!!!

gary88
03-23-06, 11:18 PM
Just goes to show most BMW drivers are jackasses.

Must have felt good to punch him in the face :thumbsup:

Caddy Man
03-23-06, 11:20 PM
That's why I always carry a gun in my glovebox, once you point that at some jackass in his BMW (Lincoln, whatever), he automatically steps on the brakes and leaves me alone. I guess they don't like a gun being pointed at their head...go figure.
are you serious or joking?

DopeStar 156
03-23-06, 11:22 PM
Just goes to show most BMW drivers are jackasses.

Must have felt good to punch him in the face :thumbsup:
It felt justified. That ***** stepped the hell outta line. The pending face into my own hood and the cuffs wen't too pleasant.... Haha.

SpeedyArizona
03-23-06, 11:45 PM
are you serious or joking?

I'm serious, I keep a gun in my glovebox. It's a small PPK and fits perfectly. And yes I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, so you better not mess with me!


and puts it into the people to use it to make up for a small dick ....same could be said for most SUVs ....

^cough^ I used to have a BMW ^cough^

BMW's are nice cars, very sports and luxurious. They are also supposed to have good reliability, but I didn't experience that. I'm not saying that they aren't good cars, just one bad apple ruins the bunch.

Jesda
03-23-06, 11:49 PM
I was a bit more aggressive when I had the 525. With the Q, I'm more inclined to sit back and turn up Luther Vandross.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-24-06, 12:42 AM
DUDE!

****in A, this wont be the last time these (I can't think of a word bad enough) mess with you, if you got their plates, go and key the hell out of their BMW! Or slash tires, break windows, dent the hell out of it, etc etc.

"Dopestar does not own a stove, oven, or microwave , because revenge is a dish best served cold." :sneaky:


Anyways, I see what you did as being totally justified, I would have probably done the same thing. Actually, this makes me wanna go out and put a tire iron or a crow bar in my car just in case anything like this ever happens to me.

Jonas McFeely
03-24-06, 01:24 AM
DUDE!

****in A, this wont be the last time these (I can't think of a word bad enough) mess with you, if you got their plates, go and key the hell out of their BMW! Or slash tires, break windows, dent the hell out of it, etc etc.

"Dopestar does not own a stove, oven, or microwave , because revenge is a dish best served cold." :sneaky:


Anyways, I see what you did as being totally justified, I would have probably done the same thing. Actually, this makes me wanna go out and put a tire iron or a crow bar in my car just in case anything like this ever happens to me.

yeah the dude was a *****,but NEVER key a mans car,and dont prolong what is already over and done with.Let it go,that dude probly went to jail anyway.

Night Wolf
03-24-06, 02:17 AM
No, what Dope needs to do is go to a local junkyard, find an F-350 (or other 1-ton American truck) with a brush guard... remove the brush guard.... go to a local welder, weld said brush guard to front of '89 Brougham.... use the newly found 180hp to create a 5,000lbs battering ram..... find where he lives, floor it, t-bone the BMW in his own driveway while sleeping, put it in reverse and go back home.... kinda like Mad Max style....

Atleast it sounds pretty cool.

DopeStar 156
03-24-06, 02:42 AM
HAHA! Wow you guys are vengeful. I felt the crack in the sinus I gave him got my point across. Not to mention any jail time he prolly got. I did leave an imprint from my HS ring in his face though. I snickered a little because it said "*HACKETTSTOWN HIGH*" backwards in his face along with another imprint from my pentagram ring.......

illumina
03-24-06, 02:46 AM
You did the right thing there Dope! Didn't you read my thread a while ago about me kicking some guy's balls into his cornhole? I lost my job for it, but no jail time...

DopeStar 156
03-24-06, 03:11 AM
You did the right thing there Dope! Didn't you read my thread a while ago about me kicking some guy's balls into his cornhole? I lost my job for it, but no jail time...
Yeah I saw that! I was gonna give you props for that but I was having computer difficulties at the time and it just wasn't working, so here's your belated props.

illumina
03-24-06, 03:17 AM
Yeah I saw that! I was gonna give you props for that but I was having computer difficulties at the time and it just wasn't working, so here's your belated props.

Well, I think I speak for Stoney when I invite you to our "Global Ass-Kicking Tour 2006." You're always welcome to come in and join the fun. I also have one standing rule: if it's your first night in the "GA-KT 2006," you have to kick someone's ass!

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
03-24-06, 05:24 AM
What a bunch of a**holes.

Typical young BMW driver.

At least you managed to get one good hit in before the cop got to you.
Of course, he should have stepped in earier when he saw them pushing you around.

JimHare
03-24-06, 07:42 AM
Today I was leaving school headed home. I was driving down a two lane road in the left lane.

This is the only part I don't understand...when did you move to England?

[sermon on]

That being said, I think you guys need to seriously chill here. Granted, the two pushes at the G/station amount to battery, perhaps assault, not sure. I'm not sure whether flippin' the bird is against the law (you never know in NJ..) but the rest of their behavior was just childish and immature. The best way to deal with people like this is to simply ignore them.

Dopestar, my friend and fellow Jerseyite, while I fully support your lifestyle, mode of dress and expression (trust me on this, I grew up in the 60s and early 70s and know EXACTLY what you mean..) ya gotta remember that cops ain't always the most understanding of people. If all he saw was the punch to the face of the BMW jerk-off, he's gonna jump on your butt like white on rice. It's unfortunate and a large steaming pile of BS, but that's the way it is.

And despite what some posters seem to feel is rightful justice, I'm not sure death is an appropriate response to their admittedly stupid behavior...if so, how many of us would already "have rung down the final curtain and (be) singing in the choir invisible", as Monty Python put it?

Don't respond to childish behavior the same way. It only justifies their original actions.

[Sermon off]

These morons already had three strikes against them from the git-go:

1) They were BMW drivers
2) They were in an SUV
3) They were New Jersey drivers.

Since I once met the latter two criteria, I can't quite call myself blameless, but I'd never even sit in a BMW, much less own one.

mccombie_5
03-24-06, 08:22 AM
In this country you'd still be in a cell. You cant protect yourself, it isnt allowed you have to let the assrape you first.

FredMaxwell
03-24-06, 09:19 AM
In this country you'd still be in a cell. You cant protect yourself, it isnt allowed you have to let the assrape you first.


It it coming to that here
But we'll have a big fine how do you call it a revolution

Lord Cadillac
03-24-06, 09:31 AM
I'm glad you had witnesses to the self-defense.. Otherwise, the clean-cut (I'm assuming) preppy boys in the BMW probably would have gotten away with this...

Katshot
03-24-06, 09:48 AM
I'm serious, I keep a gun in my glovebox. It's a small PPK and fits perfectly. And yes I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, so you better not mess with me!

This is the kind of crap that concerns me more than some jackass in a BMW SUV. My guess is, even in Arizona, you'll get locked up for pointing a gun at someone in traffic. The permit to carry doesn't excuse you on that.

HotRodSaint
03-24-06, 10:11 AM
Nice story. But since I'm not hearing any violins right now, I don't feel any sympathy for you.

If someone flips me off, I wave to them. End of conflict. My right to be a polite member of society has been excercised, and their intent on being a rude member of society has been duly noted.

Two rude people behaving rudley ending up in handcuffs is not surprising to me at all.

The next time try leaving your window and your mouth shut, and see if you still end up in jail. :rolleyes:

Spyder
03-24-06, 12:02 PM
With a nice big lump on his face too! You do understand, I hope, that you HAD to be cuffed and arrested until the officer found out what happend? All he saw was you assault a guy. He had no idea, at that time, that it was justified.

Good work, by the way. A buddy of mine had a very similar incidient happen just a few weeks ago, except the little bastard pulled a knife on him. He proceeded to pull the Ruger P89 from his waistband with one hand, got on the cell with the other, called local PD and put the son of a bitch on the ground. Him and I both have concealed permits, so yes, it was perfectly legal.

LittleB
03-24-06, 12:13 PM
Damn that sucks! What @!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As if following to flip you off wasn't enough. Thank god that guy pushed you first so it was self defense. The part that bothers me the most is that you didn't even do anything for them to follow you in the first place!! :want: :rant2:

Caddy Man
03-24-06, 12:59 PM
I'm serious, I keep a gun in my glovebox. It's a small PPK and fits perfectly. And yes I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, so you better not mess with me!


Speaking as a responsible gun owner, you should not own a gun. Its those kinds of actions that make gun owners and concealed permit carriers look bad. You simply cant go around pointing a firearm at people! No matter what! I dont know about Arizona but brandishing is illegal in Michigan, Im sure it would be illegal in Arizona too. YOU CANNOT USE A FIREARM FOR THE PURPOSE OF INTIMIDATING PEOPLE. I know having a gun might make you feel big...but I'm gonna be blunt...you need to grow up and act like an adult. A GUN IS NOT SOME TOY. Maybe you pulling it out on an off duty cop one day might make you change your mind.

Jesda
03-24-06, 01:09 PM
Years ago I waved a hatchet at a passing vehicle full of kids who were shaking their fists and cursing at me for some reason. Upon waving, they immediately shut up and made a right turn.

Dont ask why I had a hatchet. You'll never find the bodies!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-24-06, 01:39 PM
Years ago I waved a hatchet at a passing vehicle full of kids who were shaking their fists and cursing at me for some reason. Upon waving, they immediately shut up and made a right turn.



LOL!!! A hatchet?! Thats hilarious!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-24-06, 01:44 PM
yeah the dude was a *****,but NEVER key a mans car,and dont prolong what is already over and done with.Let it go,that dude probly went to jail anyway.

Lemme get this clear, I'm not a man to key a persons car unless they really deserve it (and I mean REALLY deserve it), I've never keyed any persons car, I've seen no reason to. But, this was provoked, so it's different IMO, its more an act of revenge than an act of senseless vandalism.

What if some random person keyed your Brougham just randomly, as an act of vandalism? You'd be mad wouldn't you? You'd probably wanna do the same to their car if you ever found em, because the police arent really gonna care if someone's car gets keyed, sure they'll take the report and do what ever with it, but they arent out to find who did it unless it happens a lot.

FredMaxwell
03-24-06, 01:50 PM
You only should bring out a firearm right before you intend on using it
If you see my shotgun the next thing you see will be flying lead (if you live enough time to see it) because I am not bringing it out until I feel that you're about cause great harm to me or my family.

DopeStar 156
03-24-06, 02:48 PM
Nice story. But since I'm not hearing any violins right now, I don't feel any sympathy for you.

If someone flips me off, I wave to them. End of conflict. My right to be a polite member of society has been excercised, and their intent on being a rude member of society has been duly noted.

Two rude people behaving rudley ending up in handcuffs is not surprising to me at all.

The next time try leaving your window and your mouth shut, and see if you still end up in jail. :rolleyes:
I didn't make this thread to look for sympathy or to show off, I made it to merely vent on a frustrating situation that I felt was completely unnecessary and didn't need to go down in the first place. So concider this, me "leaving my window up and my mouth shut."

DopeStar 156
03-24-06, 02:53 PM
This is the only part I don't understand...when did you move to England?
When I say two lane road I mean a double yellow line in the middle with two lanes on either side divided by a broken white line. It was like a highway and I was in the left lane. A few cars ahead of me someone, I think it was a white Accord was lookin' to make a left so traffic in that lane stopped. The BMW was infront of me stopped behind another car and the white Accord making the turn. So I saw no traffic coming from behind me in the right lane, so I signaled and pulled out and went around. I wasn't even close to the BMW, there had to have been a good 3-5 feet between our cars, I never tailgate. Sorry, hope that clears that up.

LittleB
03-24-06, 02:53 PM
Nice story. But since I'm not hearing any violins right now, I don't feel any sympathy for you.

If someone flips me off, I wave to them. End of conflict. My right to be a polite member of society has been excercised, and their intent on being a rude member of society has been duly noted.

Two rude people behaving rudley ending up in handcuffs is not surprising to me at all.

The next time try leaving your window and your mouth shut, and see if you still end up in jail. :rolleyes:

I think regardless of what he woulda done at that particular moment...those BMW guys already had there minds made up. They were the wrong ones here....they followed him for no reason, flipped him off, and then followed him into a gas station! That is some psycho stuff. Dope only hit him because they pushed him....just my 2 cents.

FastCTS
03-24-06, 03:58 PM
#1. You we not arrested, you were detained.
#2. The lane next to the center double yellow lines is the #1 lane and as you
move to the right they are #2 #3 etc., so you were in the #1 lane.

Spyder
03-24-06, 04:09 PM
If you are restricted from free movement it is an "arrest." Just because there was no booking or jail doesn't mean it wasn't an arrest. Yes, traffic stops are a form of "arrest", though no one calls them that.

Spyder
03-24-06, 04:12 PM
Findlaw.com legal dictionary. "The criminal justice process typically begins when a police officer places a person under arrest. An "arrest" occurs when a person has been taken into police custody and is no longer free to leave or move about. The use of physical restraint or handcuffs is not necessary. An arrest can be complete when a police officer simply tells a crime suspect that he or she is "under arrest", and the suspect submits without the officer's use of any physical force. The key to an arrest is the exercise of police authority over a person, and that person's voluntary or involuntary submission. "

Therefore, any restriction to free movement, as I said, such as handcuffs or even something as simple as being told to sit in your car while your license information is being verified constitutes an "arrest" if you follow the "letter of the law." So yes, he was "arrested." :)

FastCTS
03-24-06, 04:43 PM
If you follow my 35 years as a "Street Cop," he was not arrested. You got it from a book. When we investigate calls we call "Bag Of Sh##" we detain everyone until we know what we have. The handcuffs go on and come off. :stirpot:

There are the so-called Terry-type stops. These are minimally intrusive seizures but which are considered significant enough to invoke Fourth Amendment safeguards and thus must be supported by a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. During these encounter, the police officer actually conducts a investigative stop of the citizen. In this a police officer, even in the absence of probable cause, may stop persons and detain them, when the officer has a particularized and objective basis for suspecting the persons are involved in criminal activity. To stop a citizen, the officer must possess more than a subjective suspicion or hunch. The officer's action must be justified by specific facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrants that intrusion, and the detention cannot be either arbitrary nor harassing. In short, an investigatory stop must be justified by some objective manifestation that the person stopped is, or is about to be, engaged in criminal activity.

Spyder
03-24-06, 05:14 PM
Oh, hell...what do you know!? Just cause you were a line officer...hmph...

:D I, as you were, was just stirring the pot...hence the quotations around "arrest" I agree, its not a real arrest and I would never consider it such, but all the books say it is and all the test questions will be marked wrong if you answer differently. :D

HotRodSaint
03-24-06, 05:19 PM
They were the wrong ones here....they followed him for no reason, flipped him off...

Which would have been the end, if Dope hadn't rolled down his window and yelled at the guy to stick his fingers up his a$$. That only served to escalate the conflict. What happened next was inevitable.

Two (or more) wrongs don't make anyone right.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-24-06, 05:29 PM
There are very few people that would just back down to that. What I think he did was alright, he got a few *******s off the streets.

mccombie_5
03-24-06, 05:30 PM
Two (or more) wrongs don't make anyone right.

thats true but they make the person who was first wronged feel better. And would you want to feel bad for the sake of someoen else?

Rob_M
03-24-06, 05:32 PM
BMW says it all....Sorry to hear it! I've had my run in with them BMW owners.

LittleB
03-24-06, 05:33 PM
Which would have been the end, if Dope hadn't rolled down his window and yelled at the guy to stick his fingers up his a$$. That only served to escalate the conflict. What happened next was inevitable.

Two (or more) wrongs don't make anyone right.

We don't know that it would've been the end if he didn't flip them off back. I think the guys would've continued to follow him like they already were. But oh well. I am glad no one got hurt.

DopeStar 156
03-24-06, 05:40 PM
I called it an arrest because my rights were read to me so I automatically assume that's what makes it one. It's all good guys.

JimHare
03-24-06, 06:03 PM
Hey, D/S, glad to see you're cool with this.. or is it "I'm down with it, just chillin' " in the current lingo? :) LOL

Like I've always said, ( but no one's ever listened) Porsche, BMW, and to a lesser extent, Corvette, drivers to a large majority all seem to think they're God's Gift to Mankind and feel a personal affront if anyone "takes advantage" of them - which is obviously what these bozos thought - you were smart/quick enough to go around the stopped vehicles, they weren't.

Having the police there actually ended up good for you, since it could have been worse.

Next time, be the bigger man and just ignore them.

See ya at the meet!

Jonas McFeely
03-24-06, 06:05 PM
Ive done this before: Laugh at them. This big old dude on a harley jumped in front of me when i was slowing doen and i almost hit him.So i honked for like 10 seconds,enough to let him know he was retarded.He starts going apeshit and starts screaming at me.While he is shouting and carying on in traffic(which had stopped),i just started laughing at him,me and my buddy,just sat and laughed.The guy went NUTS.He was flailing his arms and getting even more mad.I continued to laugh and my buddy pointed at him.The light turned green and i made a u-turn.That was the end of it.

Night Wolf
03-24-06, 06:06 PM
In this country you'd still be in a cell. You cant protect yourself, it isnt allowed you have to let the assrape you first.

and THAT is why I live in the US of A....

and for "only" paying $2.60 a gallon for gas to power my big V8's.....

mccombie_5
03-24-06, 06:09 PM
and THAT is why I live in the US of A....

and for "only" paying $2.60 a gallon for gas to power my big V8's.....

Its on its way there too. I'm, in a way, glad guns arent allowed to be carried round with you here too, thing is, its not long before the US starts protecting the criminal.

DopeStar 156
03-24-06, 06:17 PM
See ya at the meet!
Go and help pick a date!!! Haha!

I for one am not mad that I got arrested. I was mad WHILE being arrested. I'm fully aware even at the time that the cop was merely detaining a couple rowdy people. What I was mad about was the fact that these guys started shit with me for no reason and that they wasted an hour of my time when all I wanted to do was go home and pass out after a long day. I was tired and illmooded so I was very irritable. My personal feelings about the cop were that he was fair and personable. He said that he saw the whole thing go down from inside the ajoined convenience store and was making his way outside to break it up. It was like 7 seconds from the first push to when I got cuffed, the store was a good 15-20 feet from where I was standing plus he had to make his way to the front door. So I have no bitter feelings towards the cop, just the jackass wiggers who decided to start shit with me.

Caddy Man
03-24-06, 06:20 PM
Its on its way there too. I'm, in a way, glad guns arent allowed to be carried round with you here too, thing is, its not long before the US starts protecting the criminal.
Negative. Im seeing a trend of NOT protecting the criminal going on. First many states started allowing concealed weapons permits, and now states are tryin to pass laws where if you are threatened in certain situations, you do not need to retreat and a criminal will not be able to sue you in any way. The reverse of protecting the criminal is happening here.

mccombie_5
03-24-06, 06:22 PM
Negative. Im seeing a trend of NOT protecting the criminal going on. First many states started allowing concealed weapons permits, and now states are tryin to pass laws where if you are threatened in certain situations, you do not need to retreat and a criminal will not be able to sue you in any way. The reverse of protecting the criminal is happening here.

I hope it bloody well happens here!

Although i still dont like the idea of gns being legal to carry round in your pocket.

HotRodSaint
03-24-06, 06:34 PM
I am glad no one got hurt.

You mean except for the guy laid out on the ground. :bigroll:

LittleB
03-24-06, 06:43 PM
You mean except for the guy laid out on the ground. :bigroll:

Oh he'll live. You don't push someone unless you are willing to take the chance of getting hit. That guy was probably planning to hit Dope! It's not "right" but it's common sense.

I meant hurt as in like..a car accident..or worse.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-24-06, 06:46 PM
So I have no bitter feelings towards the cop, just the jackass wiggers who decided to start shit with me.

Oh so they were wiggers too.... Ohhh.....

Spyder
03-24-06, 06:57 PM
Caddy Man...it almost sounds, from the tone of your typing (yea, I know...) that you WANT the criminal to be defended?!?

FredMaxwell
03-24-06, 07:00 PM
What is or is not an arrest is a great debate topic
The thing is, if the officer feels you need to be detained,
While you may not officially be under an arrest -
and you are free to leave - if you decide to do so,
and the officer still needs to detain you,
you will be arrested at that point in time.

Caddy Man
03-24-06, 07:33 PM
Caddy Man...it almost sounds, from the tone of your typing (yea, I know...) that you WANT the criminal to be defended?!?
haha no no...I kinda typed a fast response because I had to go. I feel exactly the oppisite. Im currently in the process of getting my concealed weapons permit, Im a criminal justice major with a possible career option of going into some type of law enforcement, so believe me...I am against the criminal all the way. My response was for mccombie who felt that the USA is becoming more favorable to criminals, but I was just stating I see the oppisite happening in the USA. People are sick of seeing the criminal coddled by the system. Which is a good thing. :)

Ranger
03-24-06, 08:55 PM
This is the kind of crap that concerns me more than some jackass in a BMW SUV. My guess is, even in Arizona, you'll get locked up for pointing a gun at someone in traffic. The permit to carry doesn't excuse you on that.
Well said. That is the kind of thing that escalates to the 6:00 news and the exact reason that Sarah Brady would give for banning hand guns and not allowing CCW permits. That kind of action plays right into their hands.

Odin8
03-24-06, 09:07 PM
just the jackass wiggers who decided to start shit with me.

Whoa now, wiggers? This is a whole different story now. Every one of them walks around like they're the shit and always wants to get into a fight. It's pretty amusing actually. Majority of the time they're not tough either, they just yell and push a lot and hope no body hits them. Dope, you did the right thing laying this guy out, haha. You can't really win with them though, they're just too stupid...you can beat the piss out of them and they'll get back up and start talking shit again...found that one out the hard way.

DopeStar 156
03-25-06, 01:14 AM
I for one don't feel bad. I did him a favor. I mean, that's what he wanted wasn't it? Maybe he pictured himself getting up but that just didn't happen.

It's kinda embarassing for him, my arms are no thicker than most umbrellas when closed.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/DopeStar156/thinarm.jpg

Spyder
03-25-06, 03:22 AM
Caddy Man...how difficult is it to get a CCW in Detroit? I know most bigger cities here in CA, you have no prayer...My town, however, is fairly rural, and I got mine with no questions asked. The interview consisted of "You bartend, dont you? Yea, you make a good margarita. This paperwork should be back in about three weeks, and you can come pick up your permit then." It was there in four days. :) I too am a CJ major at Sac State, graduating in May and hopefully I'll get my masters program application submitted in time. I want to work for DEA, ATF, SS or Marshals...something along those lines...

Katshot
03-25-06, 06:54 AM
Lemme get this clear, I'm not a man to key a persons car unless they really deserve it (and I mean REALLY deserve it), I've never keyed any persons car, I've seen no reason to. But, this was provoked, so it's different IMO, its more an act of revenge than an act of senseless vandalism.

What if some random person keyed your Brougham just randomly, as an act of vandalism? You'd be mad wouldn't you? You'd probably wanna do the same to their car if you ever found em, because the police arent really gonna care if someone's car gets keyed, sure they'll take the report and do what ever with it, but they arent out to find who did it unless it happens a lot.

IMO, only a little bitch would key someone's car. It's a cowards act.

Katshot
03-25-06, 07:00 AM
I think regardless of what he woulda done at that particular moment...those BMW guys already had there minds made up. They were the wrong ones here....they followed him for no reason, flipped him off, and then followed him into a gas station! That is some psycho stuff. Dope only hit him because they pushed him....just my 2 cents.

Yeah, as the story has been presented, I would agree, he had little alternative, and apparently did nothing to bring this upon him. Maybe this was just some sort of hate crime against Goths? Who knows? I think he did what anyone other than a total pacifist would have done.

Katshot
03-25-06, 07:05 AM
If you follow my 35 years as a "Street Cop," he was not arrested. You got it from a book. When we investigate calls we call "Bag Of Sh##" we detain everyone until we know what we have. The handcuffs go on and come off. :stirpot:

There are the so-called Terry-type stops. These are minimally intrusive seizures but which are considered significant enough to invoke Fourth Amendment safeguards and thus must be supported by a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. During these encounter, the police officer actually conducts a investigative stop of the citizen. In this a police officer, even in the absence of probable cause, may stop persons and detain them, when the officer has a particularized and objective basis for suspecting the persons are involved in criminal activity. To stop a citizen, the officer must possess more than a subjective suspicion or hunch. The officer's action must be justified by specific facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrants that intrusion, and the detention cannot be either arbitrary nor harassing. In short, an investigatory stop must be justified by some objective manifestation that the person stopped is, or is about to be, engaged in criminal activity.

Totally makes sense but isn't the whole "probable cause" issue kind of subjective and open to interpretation?

Boombotz
03-25-06, 07:36 AM
Wow, I just saw this thread. Glad everything worked out in your favor, and they saw who the real ass was.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-25-06, 10:08 AM
IMO, only a little bitch would key someone's car. It's a cowards act.


Yeah, I guess after thinking about this more, there really is no right reason to key someone's car. Even if the owner of said car was being a total jackass (which he was, in Dope's case.) Keying a car is a pretty passive-aggressive thing. If you really wanna solve it, try to talk to the person, but if that doesnt work out, then you would wanna do what Dope did IMO. A good beatdown usually will shut them up.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-25-06, 10:10 AM
Whoa now, wiggers? This is a whole different story now. Every one of them walks around like they're the shit and always wants to get into a fight. It's pretty amusing actually. Majority of the time they're not tough either, they just yell and push a lot and hope no body hits them. Dope, you did the right thing laying this guy out, haha. You can't really win with them though, they're just too stupid...you can beat the piss out of them and they'll get back up and start talking shit again.


I agree 100% with this statement. But what were they doing behind the wheel of a BMW? Maybe the Wiggers just have some sort of prejudice against Goths or metalheads like Dope.

Caddy Man
03-25-06, 11:07 AM
Caddy Man...how difficult is it to get a CCW in Detroit? I know most bigger cities here in CA, you have no prayer...My town, however, is fairly rural, and I got mine with no questions asked. The interview consisted of "You bartend, dont you? Yea, you make a good margarita. This paperwork should be back in about three weeks, and you can come pick up your permit then." It was there in four days. :) I too am a CJ major at Sac State, graduating in May and hopefully I'll get my masters program application submitted in time. I want to work for DEA, ATF, SS or Marshals...something along those lines...
spyder, the application process is the same for anywhere in Michigan. What you have to do is, attend a CCW class (most local gun ranges offer them), its an entire day long on a weekend where they go over everything, liability, laws, when to use etc, then the next day you go and shoot to qualify. Once that is done and all the paperwork is done, it is submitted with a 100 dollar fee to the sheriffs office and it usually takes a a few months to process (depends on the county really) then they call you in have a short little interview and if you are approved then your permit should arrive in the mail in a few days. As far as requirements there is an big list of misemeanors that you cannot have commited at least 8 years prior to application and a list of misdeamenors for 3 years prior. So you pretty much have to have a clean record and be a good citizen. I for one, am glad they require a class, simply because they teach you all the rules and laws of having a ccw. Ive read about people who have used thier pistol in a situation that could have avoided it and thier lives have been ruined, so its good to have that information.

I too hope to finish my bachelors and apply to a federal agency. FBI would be my ultimate goal, but not an immediate option due to the way they take applications. I would love to be a US Marshal, but as far as I know, they arent taking applications unless you took the marshals exam before when they were taking general applicants of if you are an intern though a school program. So DEA most likely will be it if I apply to a federal agency. I really wish I would have double majored in finance or something, but its kind of late now. I am always reading how the FBI, DEA, etc want accounting and finance majors. How sick would that application be?? Degree in finance and CJ.

DopeStar 156
03-25-06, 02:25 PM
I agree 100% with this statement. But what were they doing behind the wheel of a BMW? Maybe the Wiggers just have some sort of prejudice against Goths or metalheads like Dope.

Haha usually they're afraid of me/us since we look like the kids who shot up Columbine. I wouldn't key the car, it's not the BMW's fault its owners are idiots. It's all about Karma baby, they got what was coming to them.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-25-06, 02:47 PM
It's all about Karma baby, they got what was coming to them.

Hahahaha fun times in jail! Don't drop the soap!

DopeStar 156
03-25-06, 03:08 PM
Hahahaha fun times in jail! Don't drop the soap!
Family Guy;

Peter: "Oh man Brian, all the rumors about droppin' the soap are true! I couldn't hold onto that thing, everyone was laughin'!"
Prisioner 1: "Hey there's the guy who couldn't hold on to the soap!"
Prisioner 2: "Oh man, classic!"
(They chuckle)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-25-06, 03:17 PM
LOL! Thats what I was thinking about when I was typing it. That, and the scene in Naked Gun 33 1/3 when Lt. Dreben goes into the showers in prison.

Zorb750
03-25-06, 11:43 PM
Damn BMW drivers. :hide:

BMW drivers? Try Escalade drivers. Around here they are the troublemakers. They can be downright obnoxious, throwing things out windows, setting off my alarm with 5 subwoofers, watching DVDs while driving with their illegally modified aftermarket radios.

Especially the Detoilet (Detroit) Degenerates who refinanced their ass off to buy a hopped up Tahoe that cost more than they could get for their house, then financed their 25" spinning wheels for 5 years (Yes they do offer that in Detroit). That's why I'm glad I live 50 miles from that shit-ville.


Just goes to show most BMW drivers are jackasses.

Must have felt good to punch him in the face :thumbsup:
Jackasses? Watch the F250 drivers. Especially those with the short bed and standard cab that look like ass on wheels. Disproportionate piece of junk. Watch them run red lights, tailgate, try to intimidate everyone.

300C drivers aren't so hot around here either, driving like they feel like they own the world in their Chrysler. Most BMW drivers, myself included, are prefectly decent people and good drivers. Yes, sometimes the character of the car leads to aggressive driving, but it's more often with the little ones - the 3 series (hey look at me everyone I got a BMW even though it's the bargain basement edition that doesn't even have leather seats!) who drive like show-off idiots.

My opinion is that I will drive my BMW however the hell I want if the road is empty. If I want to take that 30 MPH curve at 60, I will do it. When there's traffic, the rules of basic coutresy apply. Let people in front of you especially if they have been waiting to turn for a while, don't tailgate, and most importantly, don't give any breaks or favors to anyone who doesn't use the turn signal or drives like an ass.

Jonas McFeely
03-26-06, 01:47 AM
BMW drivers? Try Escalade drivers. Around here they are the troublemakers. They can be downright obnoxious, throwing things out windows, setting off my alarm with 5 subwoofers, watching DVDs while driving with their illegally modified aftermarket radios.

Especially the Detoilet (Detroit) Degenerates who refinanced their ass off to buy a hopped up Tahoe that cost more than they could get for their house, then financed their 25" spinning wheels for 5 years (Yes they do offer that in Detroit). That's why I'm glad I live 50 miles from that shit-ville.


Jackasses? Watch the F250 drivers. Especially those with the short bed and standard cab that look like ass on wheels. Disproportionate piece of junk. Watch them run red lights, tailgate, try to intimidate everyone.

300C drivers aren't so hot around here either, driving like they feel like they own the world in their Chrysler. Most BMW drivers, myself included, are prefectly decent people and good drivers. Yes, sometimes the character of the car leads to aggressive driving, but it's more often with the little ones - the 3 series (hey look at me everyone I got a BMW even though it's the bargain basement edition that doesn't even have leather seats!) who drive like show-off idiots.

My opinion is that I will drive my BMW however the hell I want if the road is empty. If I want to take that 30 MPH curve at 60, I will do it. When there's traffic, the rules of basic coutresy apply. Let people in front of you especially if they have been waiting to turn for a while, don't tailgate, and most importantly, don't give any breaks or favors to anyone who doesn't use the turn signal or drives like an ass.

The 330ci with the performance package and NO other options,no leather,nothing,is $41k and some change.Bone stock its $37k.Hardly bargain basement.And these cars are meant to perform.Just because someone buys the less-expensive smaller model does not mean they just want to be "seen" in their bmw.Its a performance car.Thats what it does,it performs.People who just want to be "seen" in their bmw's buy the 5 series with the V6 and automatic,or the 7 series.Yeah,im sure alot of yuppies buy 3 series bmw's.But to say that the 3-series is the "bargain basement" bmw is just not true.There is nothing bargain basement about it.

At least they still offer cloth.Alot of people prefer it to leather.I personally like cloth,and would get mine that way.

DopeStar 156
03-26-06, 03:27 AM
BMW drivers? Try Escalade drivers. Around here they are the troublemakers. They can be downright obnoxious, throwing things out windows, setting off my alarm with 5 subwoofers, watching DVDs while driving with their illegally modified aftermarket radios.

Especially the Detoilet (Detroit) Degenerates who refinanced their ass off to buy a hopped up Tahoe that cost more than they could get for their house, then financed their 25" spinning wheels for 5 years (Yes they do offer that in Detroit). That's why I'm glad I live 50 miles from that shit-ville.


Jackasses? Watch the F250 drivers. Especially those with the short bed and standard cab that look like ass on wheels. Disproportionate piece of junk. Watch them run red lights, tailgate, try to intimidate everyone.

300C drivers aren't so hot around here either, driving like they feel like they own the world in their Chrysler. Most BMW drivers, myself included, are prefectly decent people and good drivers. Yes, sometimes the character of the car leads to aggressive driving, but it's more often with the little ones - the 3 series (hey look at me everyone I got a BMW even though it's the bargain basement edition that doesn't even have leather seats!) who drive like show-off idiots.

My opinion is that I will drive my BMW however the hell I want if the road is empty. If I want to take that 30 MPH curve at 60, I will do it. When there's traffic, the rules of basic coutresy apply. Let people in front of you especially if they have been waiting to turn for a while, don't tailgate, and most importantly, don't give any breaks or favors to anyone who doesn't use the turn signal or drives like an ass.
Maybe where you live everyone drives like a jerk..... Hahaha.

HotRodSaint
03-26-06, 10:37 AM
I think he did what anyone other than a total pacifist would have done.

Yeah only total pacificts could refrain from rolling down their window and telling someone to stick their fingers up their a$$. :bigroll:

I'm sure that most refined North Eastern gentlemen consider this protecting their honor and their dignity.

All I'm saying is at this point it was his choice to escalate or de-escalate the conflict. By his actions he chose to escalate it.

What was the little punks attempt in the first place? To piss Dope off. Guess what, they succeeded.

But not because what they did was so herrendous. I mean it's two fingers stuck in the air and a couple of words. They succeeded because Dope voluntarily gave them control of his emotions. Once he was no longer in control of his emotions, anything was possible.

So no, it doesn't take a total pacifist to resist rolling down your window when a moron confronts you. It takes self-control. But there are not very many people who can control themselves anymore.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-26-06, 01:47 PM
I disagree HRS, but I really do like your car!

Jonas McFeely
03-26-06, 06:04 PM
Yeah only total pacificts could refrain from rolling down their window and telling someone to stick their fingers up their a$$. :bigroll:

I'm sure that most refined North Eastern gentlemen consider this protecting their honor and their dignity.

All I'm saying is at this point it was his choice to escalate or de-escalate the conflict. By his actions he chose to escalate it.

What was the little punks attempt in the first place? To piss Dope off. Guess what, they succeeded.

But not because what they did was so herrendous. I mean it's two fingers stuck in the air and a couple of words. They succeeded because Dope voluntarily gave them control of his emotions. Once he was no longer in control of his emotions, anything was possible.

So no, it doesn't take a total pacifist to resist rolling down your window when a moron confronts you. It takes self-control. But there are not very many people who can control themselves anymore.

I dont agree with alot of what you say,but you hit the nail on the head with that one.That was great,and so true.

Zorb750
03-27-06, 08:27 AM
The 330ci with the performance package and NO other options,no leather,nothing,is $41k and some change.Bone stock its $37k.Hardly bargain basement.And these cars are meant to perform.Just because someone buys the less-expensive smaller model does not mean they just want to be "seen" in their bmw.Its a performance car.Thats what it does,it performs.People who just want to be "seen" in their bmw's buy the 5 series with the V6 and automatic,or the 7 series.Yeah,im sure alot of yuppies buy 3 series bmw's.But to say that the 3-series is the "bargain basement" bmw is just not true.There is nothing bargain basement about it.

At least they still offer cloth.Alot of people prefer it to leather.I personally like cloth,and would get mine that way.

The 325 costs a lot less. You can have one out the door at a dealer for $35000. Incidentally, BMW has never made a V6. My point is that I despise those who buy a car for status rather than what it is. I like having a large sedan that can hang with most midrange sports cars. I like being able to entertain passengers, then once I drop them off, get the built up "speed" out of my system very quickly from when I had to drive like grandma to not upset them. (no pun intended)




Maybe where you live everyone drives like a jerk..... Hahaha.


Yeah, I often think so.

Jonas McFeely
03-27-06, 06:00 PM
The 325 costs a lot less. You can have one out the door at a dealer for $35000. Incidentally, BMW has never made a V6. My point is that I despise those who buy a car for status rather than what it is. I like having a large sedan that can hang with most midrange sports cars. I like being able to entertain passengers, then once I drop them off, get the built up "speed" out of my system very quickly from when I had to drive like grandma to not upset them. (no pun intended)




Yeah, I often think so.

I meant I6. I hear ya on that.But just solely placing that on BMW drivers is kind of retarded,i mean id say that about alot of cadillac drivers too,buying the car for "status".