: Consumer Reports



wooderson
03-12-06, 09:30 AM
I don't know how motivated Caddy will be with addressing the probs that some have had with our cars. (I personally have had no issues after 900 miles) The Annual Auto Issue of Consumer Reports rates the CTS in all trims, including the V, as "Recommended". Reliability has been average.

Interesting note...Every Mercedes that was tested, that was not a new model for '06, got a poor reliability rating.

AmesCTS-V
03-12-06, 12:48 PM
Oh that's not going to make some people here happy.

rand49er
03-12-06, 03:54 PM
Yeah, I read their take on the V, and it's the same biased comment they said about it before: they don't like the seat belt location on the seats. You know, it's whatever you get used to with those kind of automobile nuances ... but, they're not willing to admit to that ... they're just looking at anything they can find to cut down domestic automobiles.:rant2:

My stepson has a Honda (gag!!) CR-V with auto trans, and it has the shift selector in what I think is a very odd location on the dash. Does Consumer Reports mention that? He!l no!!!!!! They are simply a bunch of biased, anti-business, anti-free enterprise socialists!!! :rant2: :rant2: :rant2:

:alchi:


Probably sit around and eat tofu all the time, too.:stirpot:

DILLIGAF
03-12-06, 04:52 PM
Consumer reports magazine is a great cat box liner.

wooderson
03-12-06, 06:11 PM
Yeah, I read their take on the V, and it's the same biased comment they said about it before: they don't like the seat belt location on the seats. You know, it's whatever you get used to with those kind of automobile nuances ... but, they're not willing to admit to that ... they're just looking at anything they can find to cut down domestic automobiles.:rant2:

My stepson has a Honda (gag!!) CR-V with auto trans, and it has the shift selector in what I think is a very odd location on the dash. Does Consumer Reports mention that? He!l no!!!!!! They are simply a bunch of biased, anti-business, anti-free enterprise socialists!!! :rant2: :rant2: :rant2:

:alchi:


Probably sit around and eat tofu all the time, too.:stirpot: They nit-pick a little but they actually like the V and recommend it to the consumer. The problem is that some of the people on the board who have been through 4 or 5 rear ends, might not get the fix they are looking for.

NIK
03-13-06, 09:07 AM
Keep reading and you will find that the beloved 300-C's especially the V-8's , get a low reliability rating and are not recommended. Now what's that all about?

AmesCTS-V
03-13-06, 10:53 AM
Keep reading and you will find that the beloved 300-C's especially the V-8's , get a low reliability rating and are not recommended. Now what's that all about?
Lies, all lies. A mod hungry power happy group like this is very representative of all V owners:)

I'd bet most V's are bone stock and don't get driven hard. The problems they see are probably relatively few. Like maybe a bad battery or something. I'm about 9 months in with this car as a DD and I've only had the tranny problem that has the TSB out, but considering you have to shift at 6,000 rpm to notice it I'd be a lot of people wouldn't notice or would even assume they did something wrong. So with a normal owner this car is a zero trouble car.

When my cousin had his 300 it had issues besides the lack of mods and that they were impossible to install. Like emblems falling. The mats wore through, BT flaked out, yada yada. I'm sure given time they will work through these issues, new cars have them.

kjr39
03-13-06, 01:00 PM
Consumer reports magazine is a great cat box liner.

:yeah:

Fark consumer reports...

Barak
03-13-06, 04:30 PM
Yeah, I read their take on the V, and it's the same biased comment they said about it before: they don't like the seat belt location on the seats. You know, it's whatever you get used to with those kind of automobile nuances ... but, they're not willing to admit to that ... they're just looking at anything they can find to cut down domestic automobiles.:rant2:

Totally agree. And to add fuel to the fire, their top 10 list for 2006 has nothing but Japanese cars.

jimbmw
03-14-06, 05:44 AM
Consumer Reports has DEFINITELY added to the Big Three's LEGACY costs--more layoffs/early retirements! Hope they understand WHY my subscription has been "outsourced" to the internet (I can sift through the bias on my own on the web).

David W. Bailey
03-14-06, 06:02 AM
So glad to see that everyone is on to the Consumer Reports bias, and don't forget the Car and Driver syndrome i.e. if it's German, it has to be good!

US cars have improved tremendously since the 80's but they get no credit for their efforts. Consumer Reports is in love with underpowered, pricey, and downright ugly Japanese cars with goofy names! What the heck is a "Prius"?

suchnsuch
03-14-06, 07:03 AM
So glad to see that everyone is on to the Consumer Reports bias, and don't forget the Car and Driver syndrome i.e. if it's German, it has to be good!

US cars have improved tremendously since the 80's but they get no credit for their efforts. Consumer Reports is in love with underpowered, pricey, and downright ugly Japanese cars with goofy names! What the heck is a "Prius"?

Amen. It still supprises me that people think Mercedes are great cars. the quality is horrid. I did some work for them in the late 90's and I'm amazed they're still around (probably wouldn't be if they didn't own chrysler.)

suchnsuch
03-14-06, 07:03 AM
So glad to see that everyone is on to the Consumer Reports bias, and don't forget the Car and Driver syndrome i.e. if it's German, it has to be good!

US cars have improved tremendously since the 80's but they get no credit for their efforts. Consumer Reports is in love with underpowered, pricey, and downright ugly Japanese cars with goofy names! What the heck is a "Prius"?

Amen. It still supprises me that people think Mercedes are great cars. the quality is horrid. I did some work for them in the late 90's and I'm amazed they're still around (probably wouldn't be if they didn't own chrysler.)

drdaveyourchiro
03-14-06, 10:23 AM
The dependability problems associated with Mercedes are gigantic. Remember the timing chain failures on the 380 series engines? The A/C system problems are legendary over many models of the last ten years. Truly the merger with Chrysler DID preserve Mercedes. Chrysler was a cash cow when they joined forces and in effect stole Chrysler's reserves. It is kind of the dirty little secret of the merger. Mercedes spun the deal as if THEY were saving Chrysler!
Even with the quirks of the 4.1,4.5,4.9 and Northstar engines, Cadillacs are much less expensive to deal with than the Mercedes. I don't care what the public thinks...I know too many friends who spend serious amounts of money just keeping their M/B functioning!

mkaresh
03-14-06, 12:12 PM
I have a number of issues with Consumer Reports, though I don't quite accuse them of bias. I have posted a couple of detailed critiques:

www.truedelta.com/pieces/shortcomings.php

www.truedelta.com/pieces/anomalies.php

The latter piece addresses an anomaly with LX reliability--the Magnum with the Hemi actually earns an "average" rating.

I'm not just criticizing CR. I'm doing something about it. I've been collecting my own data on a few cars since November. To start with a particular model/model year Cadillac I need 25 in the panel. For some years of the CTS I'm about halfway there.

jjsmith1
03-14-06, 06:15 PM
It's some kind of a fish I think.

David W. Bailey
03-15-06, 05:48 AM
If GM, or for that matter any US car maker, produced anything that looked like that Scion minivan, or named one of their cars a Camry, the car rags would have a field day. Remember when the Aztec was introduced? The car mags went wild with ridicule, but the Aztec doesn't look any worse than an Echo, Prius, or an Element. Buick and Cadillac have taken their share of ridicule for their model names, but no one in the auto media thinks that "Camry" (the way Appalachians pronounce camera) is a funny name at all.

I will admit that C.R. is not as bad as some of the car mags that accept advertising, but they still have tunnel vision for Japanese cars and find the most obscure things to fault in US cars. Don't forget this famous C.R. quote when the new Mustang GT came out, "we did not think that it felt very sporty".

91TexasSeville
03-15-06, 07:59 AM
Don't forget this famous C.R. quote when the new Mustang GT came out, "we did not think that it felt very sporty".

Chuckle.....they must have been sitting on a rock looking at a picture of the prototype, making imaginary car sounds...Obviously had not yet driven a new stick Mustang GT.

Brushworker
03-15-06, 08:35 AM
When I recently got my '90 deVille some relatives thought I was nuts. But I was impressed by the price, reliability record, and the extensive parts availability. Social trends be damned. So being out of fashion drops the resale value? Bring it on. I named my new great ride the "Champaign Soprano."

I so agree that the Mercedes-Lexus cabal is skewed up. I'm lovin' it....my brother in law drives an '89 Mercedes bought three years ago and has had to do numerous repairs on it, and they ain't cheap, including just recently when he moaned to me that his rear suspension self-leveling "system" now is busted and must be replaced for he wouldn't tell me how much.
:thepan:

David W. Bailey
03-17-06, 05:32 AM
Good for you Brushworker!

I had a 95 Sedan de Ville (which was supposed to be no good according to C.R.) and it was a great car.

I also had a BMW 320 I in the 90's that was a piece of sh.. and cost a fortune to service. The "ultimate driving machine" had $300 rip off "inspections" about every 15,000 miles. The BMW finally imploded on I-90 in Erie, PA in a spectacular way, with the whole rear end going out.

I have a friend here in central OH that has a new 7 series BMW that has mysterious electrical problems. He has had to haul the thing in on a roll back truck twice.

My V has never done that to me !