: How about black boxes?



Ralph
03-16-03, 05:41 AM
Forget ONSTAR, don't you know about all new GM vehicles using black boxes in their cars. It records how fast you ever went, your driving habits, aggressiveness, etc. Do you think this is an invasion of privacy? Ralph

Katshot
03-16-03, 10:41 AM
Ralph,
The "black boxes" you refer to are installed to collect data during an air bag deployment. They record a number of data streams seconds before, during, and after the incident. The information can only be used under a judges order, and is only retrievable by the OEM.

kcnewell
03-16-03, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Katshot
Ralph,
The "black boxes" you refer to are installed to collect data during an air bag deployment. They record a number of data streams seconds before, during, and after the incident. The information can only be used under a judges order, and is only retrievable by the OEM.


Under a Judges order for now....But some genius in the government will start pushing common useage in the name of public safety and the people ( Pronounced Sheeple ) will jump on the bandwagon in a futile attempt to be coddled by the government from cradle to grave.

What I'm saying here is that I think it's a BAD idea!:banghead:

Mad'lac
03-16-03, 01:31 PM
I agree it is a bad idea. I mean one day they ( cops) could stop you, access the box, and give you a ticket for speeding 3 weeks back.Maybe I sound paranoid but this could happen and other things worse.

kcnewell
03-16-03, 01:47 PM
Look at the gun laws that we have to live with now! A perfect example! They said in the late '60s that registering guns would reduce gun violence. Has it? NO! Look at the crime rate. They also said that gun registration would "NEVER" lead to outlawing of firearms ownership in the private sector. Now That's exactly what they're trying to do! They've already outlawed certain firearms to the law abiding public. The criminals don't care....They're criminals! Do you think they're gonna abide by a gun law? If you do you're dreaming! The government WILL LIE to you to get what they want....And what they want is TOTAL CONTROL over the general population! Right now they have the Constitution to stop them, But they're working on that too! Black boxes? Yeah, Great idea...Like Onstar just another tool for your conveniance that can eventually be used to control your movements and relieve you of your constitutionally guaranteed freedoms in the name of personal safety.....When did we as a society get so weak at heart?


Paranoid?....I don't think so! I call it vigilant!:burn:

Mad'lac
03-16-03, 01:56 PM
LOL My pop say you might be his long lost son KC!!!!! We both agree with you on everything you said. Like the criminals are gonna start obeying the law...yeah right!!!! They'll obey the law of the S&W staring them in the face if they break in my house or threaten my family.

kcnewell
03-16-03, 01:58 PM
Hey, Mom was from Lampassas near Austin....Maybe we are related! LOL!!

At My house it's Colt that they'll obey....I'm not happy with S&W over their capitulation to the Clinton administration over so called "Smart Guns" But lets not get too far off topic here!

Mad'lac
03-16-03, 02:00 PM
LOL!!!!
As far a S&W is concern lets just say this S&W been in this household since before Nixon was in office. Damn gun is older than me but works like a charm.

Katshot
03-16-03, 09:14 PM
I don't know, I LOVE my 686.
KC's right again. During the WWII the Germans used gun registration lists to go around and collect all the guns in Europe. It's been a long-held opinion that one reason why no one would try to occupy this country is because the population is so well armed.
I KNOW I AM!!!!
Let 'um come, I guarantee at least a 10:1 kill ratio ;)

kcnewell
03-17-03, 12:56 AM
As do I! The anti gun lobby is to be feared as much as any enemy we have outside the borders of OUR country!

87CoupeDeVille
03-17-03, 05:36 PM
Reminds me of a specific scene in the movie Minority Report where Tom Cruise is a criminal and all of a sudden his car is removed from his control and re-routed towards a police station, not my idea of fun.

Kurt

kcnewell
03-17-03, 07:22 PM
It's amazing that we would not see the potential for that given the governments tendency to want to control so many aspects of our personal lives. I mean here in the Peoples Republic of California they're seriously talking about passing a law that says you can't smoke in your own home if you have a child living with you! I don't even smoke and THAT pisses me off! Who do they think they are? If the government ever thought they could use the technology to control us I seriously believe they would! Like I said in an earlier post, We have liberal talk show hosts out here seriously talking about using this technology to shut down your vehicle if you are delinquent on child support or parking tickets and that sort of thing. Once they get their hands on it , Do you honestly think for one minute that they'll let it go?

elwesso
03-17-03, 07:53 PM
This is really going to start making people mad. Its only going to be a matter of time until cops can get a thing to access the box. I mean whats next, are they going to be able to control our cars?? If so, Im riding my bike! Its not a car, but at least I CONTROL IT!

This is bull crap!

kcnewell
03-17-03, 07:58 PM
Wes! Relax....It's food for thought! At this time there is the potential for it and nothing more. We must be vigilant at all times to protect our personal liberty from those who would deprive us of it!.......Self government without self discipline is not possible in the long run!

Dead Sled
03-17-03, 08:13 PM
well Ive figured out how to hack engines to make 'em go fast, I can learn to hack the Black box to make any lie I want :D

kcnewell
03-17-03, 08:22 PM
We'll see....

Devil_concours
03-17-03, 08:37 PM
well ferrari's high end model such as f50 has black boxes builtin. Then again company wants you to drive the car hard way it was meant to be

Katshot
03-17-03, 09:18 PM
Speaking of talk show hosts and politics, did you know Jerry Springer was the mayor of Cincinatti?

kcnewell
03-17-03, 10:35 PM
Now? I mean I knew he was a while back! But not now right? Would anyone vote for him? and if so, Why?????

Brett
03-17-03, 10:46 PM
he was mayor many years ago and is now considering running for the senate...he's an idiot

kcnewell
03-17-03, 11:00 PM
IDIOT? Now you've gone and done it!!! You've insulted the idiots of the world! That means France is gonna be pissed at you!

Ralph
03-19-03, 01:40 AM
Hey, KC, the French are actually pretty tough. Remember a couple of years ago when their gas prices hit the ceiling, they actually STOPPED traffic, namely the big rigs and many citizens. The prices came down to a realistic level in about two days! All we do in Canada and the US is complain, talk, hey talk is cheap. France, they do what they want, I kinda respect that.

kcnewell
03-19-03, 10:23 AM
We used to have that kind of balls here! Back in the '70s I remember blockading Interstate 5 in california over diesel fuel prices for a few days with the guy that I was learning the industry from....I remember thinking at the time that any industry that was that rough and tumble and crazy was exactly where I wanted to be! We used to do what we wanted here and make changes in big ways. ( See...The '60s/'70s ) But now the same generation that wanted to make things happen and preserve and supposedly expand personal freedoms has turned into a bunch of weak kneed bitches hiding behind a government that has more control over their everyday lives than at any time in the history of this country. All in the name of Safety and personal security! It makes me SICK!

That's right gang...The older generation has gotten soft and complacent and weak in ways they swore in their youth that they NEVER would! They're doing things to the country that make the sins of the father look mild by comparison. They used to cry about the old folks just wanting to play Golf and hang out and count their money! But they conveniently forget that now 'cause they're too busy playing Golf and snivelin' about money! Sound familiar? Does to me!

Ralph
03-20-03, 12:17 AM
The older generation seems happy with the way things are, and I think one reason is that things are a lot better than they were when they grew up. A lot of old timers who live in my building have lived through the Depression, had outdoor toilets, and a horse for a car. I think the younger generation has a lot of fight in them yet.

kcnewell
03-20-03, 03:54 AM
The older generation I'm refering to is, My generation! The so called baby boomers. ( Pronounced "Spoiled bitches" ) This generation has dropped the mantle of freedom in this country on the ground and stomped on it! The first baby boomer president ( The now infamous Mr. Clinton ) Was a national disgrace and an embarassment throughout the rest of the world! We came in shouting about personal freedom and being able to live without government intrusion into our personal lives and are now in the process of legislating away the same. We pay lip service to liberty but whimper at the prospect of defending it! Are you listening Mr. Daschle? The people that lived through the great depression and WWII are in no way responsible for this crap! Except possibly indirectly by trying to spare us the grief of having to do without as they had to. This generation ( Ours ) Came up never having to deal with real crisis on the level of WWII or the depression. Viet Nam pales by comparison to the sacrafices that the country and the WORLD had to endure just to protect our basic human rights and way of life! Hence, a generation without humility and a sense of sacrifice! ( The "ME" Generation ) It's kind of sad to think that what our parents fought so hard for is being pissed away by people with little to no perspective!

Ralph
03-20-03, 04:08 AM
The only problem with the generation from the Depression that I meant, is that they can vote the way they always will. I can't count the times I hear little old ladies say " my husband voted for them, and I will too 'til the day I die." I guess I am referring to our stupid Provincial Government, they won't develp the bloody oil in this province, while Alberta next door is so rich with it, they are talking of eliminating taxes and personal income tax! Don't mind me, I'm just bitter and helpless.

kcnewell
03-20-03, 04:15 AM
To quote the truest American idiot! ( Clinton ) " I feel you're pain "

Sevillius
03-21-03, 08:17 PM
Speaking of big brother......here in Virginia, where I now live, having left Indiana because of the crappy winters,
they are trying to join other states and make the seat belt usage mandatory.

The cops all want it, of course. The people don't.

When they passed the original law allowing you to be ticketed for not wearing a belt only if it was a secondary offense, they said........that's as far as it goes. You know the rest.


It's funny; I'm a old school law abiding guy, but the older I get the less I respect the cops and the legal system in general.

Especially traffic cops. No, I haven't had any overt problems, just a few tickets.

Regards,

Paul

Living in Va.....the last state where radar detectors are still illegal. They'll have to pry my new Solo 2 from my bare hands!

kcnewell
03-21-03, 11:42 PM
That's the way they always do it! It's the old "foot in the door " ploy. Once they get started they don't stop till they eventually get what they really wanted but couldn't tell you 'cause they knew you'd never go for it!

Ralph
03-22-03, 04:02 AM
They mandated seatbelt useage here in the late 1980's. Their initial reason was safety, but basically, they got thousands of dollars in revenue from fines. Now when I get into my car it is just a natural thing to buckle-up, and I guess I don't mind it anymore. In Manitoba a guy fought the courts on his seatbelt fine, and WON. It actually made national headlines. A lot of people still think that with airbags, you do not have to buckle-up, WRONG, they aren't called SUPPLIMENTAL restraints for nothing.

Ralph
03-25-03, 12:29 AM
The black boxes I heard about on the TV news, are NOT Onstar. They are completely seperate. They are in all or most of new GM vehicles and people are not supposed to know about them, or ignore them in their vehicles. I wish I paid attention to which network aired it, maybe CNN.

kcnewell
03-25-03, 12:52 AM
I've heard lots about them! Katshot had it right about what they're supposed to be for. I just think it's an insidious tool that could ostensably be used against us!

Ralph
03-25-03, 01:13 AM
Hold on, I have to get my dictionary.

kcnewell
03-25-03, 01:20 AM
Sorry about that! It happens!

Liseckas
03-25-03, 09:31 PM
George Orwell said it would be this way when he wrote 1984 :eek:

Liseckas
03-25-03, 09:33 PM
Fight back by only buying old cars!

kcnewell
03-25-03, 10:23 PM
Fight back by making them abide by the Constitution as it was intended! Buy whatever you want and make it work for you!

Ralph
03-27-03, 01:56 AM
What worries me is that if people can hack into computers, get info about you, then maybe they could hack into ONSTAR and find out where you are, etc. My parents got ONSTAR free for a year with their new DTS and my dad, who hates technology, computers, and even a change in weather, loved the idea because they push it as a safety device. Now, next year they are talking of re-newing it when it expires. I just wonder how much technology is enough, and do we really need it. How many of you guys and gals have ever needed it, ie. if you locked your keys in the car with it running, etc?

Ralph
03-27-03, 02:32 AM
OOH, never mind I just discovered the section entitled "ONSTAR"

Ralph
03-28-03, 02:27 AM
Come to think of it, all the technology on cars today is just for emissions and clean air,etc. 30 years ago they did not need CCR to get a smooth ride.