: Spy Photos: 2007 Cadillac CTS-V



skepticman
02-16-06, 08:43 PM
Just on the off chance that someone on this board might actually care about such things...

Wide-body Cadillac CTS-V could debut for 2007

By Ed Hellwig

Link to article (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=109332)
Link to discussion (http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27044)

CVP33
02-16-06, 09:03 PM
Nothing to get excited about yet. This is clearly a 2004, notice the antenna on the rear window. The body kit, wider wheels have been done. Now if the LS7 rumors are true and an upgraded rear diff', then we're talking. And BTW, "vague steering"? What car has this guy been driving?

Joey'sVee
02-16-06, 09:11 PM
Is that diff fluid I see leaking from the rear of the car?

1MEANV
02-16-06, 09:17 PM
looks gay if it is. too european for me

skepticman
02-16-06, 09:18 PM
I forgot that I was also going to post something about how the LS7 is hand built, which makes me doubt that it would completely replace the LS2.


LS7: The Largest, Most Powerful Small-Block Ever Built (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2006/LS7.shtml)

"Team members are engine-build specialists selected from GM's experimental engine lab, and they complete about 30 LS7 engines per day."

LS7 Unplugged (http://superchevy.com/technical/engines_drivetrain/completebuilds_testing/0509sc_assembly/)

"Each engine is hand-assembled by a single technician who builds it from start to finish."

"The engines are shipped to Johnson Matthey Testing in Taylor, Michigan, where they're subjected to a 20-minute "hot" test--10 minutes of no-load "break in" and 10 minutes of loaded operation. After this, the engines come back to the PBC and are ready to ship to the Corvette assembly facility in Bowling Green, Kentucky."

lasstss
02-16-06, 10:09 PM
Looks like the specter body kit.

kjr39
02-16-06, 10:15 PM
Doesn't make any sense to build as an '07.

But, put a LS7 in a sweet looking 4-door and I'm upgrading.

BadCad
02-16-06, 10:24 PM
looks gay if it is. too european for me
:want: How so? I am European and I ain't gay... I like women too much. :bouncy:

1MEANV
02-16-06, 10:27 PM
listen. i am not saying europeans are gay, buy euro styling cars are gay looking. gezzzzz

Mutlu
02-16-06, 11:43 PM
Eurostyle cars such as Ferraris, Lambos, Bugattis....is this what you are talking about?

ahahnu
02-16-06, 11:51 PM
I saw a picture of a V in black with this kit, partially covered in leather. It was spy shots so they said of the V+. Then there were others of one fueling up at a gas station in Germany. I am excited to see what they come up with next.

akm2k5
02-17-06, 12:24 AM
that body style could be just a mule.. Infiniti is doing that same thing for their 08 g35, using a 2003+ body.

Koooop
02-17-06, 12:32 AM
I might jump the fence for an LS7!

:gnome:

tblack
02-17-06, 02:30 AM
An L57 in the V? Where do I sign

LV_V
02-17-06, 05:45 AM
Wake the f$%# up. Cadillac can't get 400HP right in the CTS-V, how the F do you expect them to make 500+HP right?? V+, right....

Katshot
02-17-06, 07:32 AM
That's nothing like the spy photo I saw recently. I'll try to post it today. Unfortunately, it's at home in a magazine. I thought for sure, someone here would already have posted it.
And as far as engines go, LS7 is old news guys. The hot news is LS9!!

Florian
02-17-06, 10:44 AM
Even hotter is the L92/L72 6.2L platform.....yummy!!!!



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Katshot
02-17-06, 11:12 AM
Even hotter is the L92/L72 6.2L platform.....yummy!!!!



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This engine produces 403 hp (301 kW) and 417 ftlbf (565 Nm). Good but hardly compares to the new LS family engines.

Florian
02-17-06, 11:53 AM
This engine produces 403 hp (301 kW) and 417 ftlbf (565 Nm). Good but hardly compares to the new LS family engines.

True, but they will be the most 'moddable' motor available. The LS7 is already near its limits (and is nothing more than a sleeved LS2) and the LS9 will be the same block as the L92/L72. The L92 allows the modders to make a 'poor mans' LS7 by a quick finish hone of the cyl walls and adding .125 to the stroke. You will be able to get a complete 'rolling assembly' L92 for about 6500 bux....and that will net you way over 500HP at the tires....lots less than the LS7@ apx 13K.


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ctsvett
02-17-06, 12:03 PM
here is an artist/ photoshop rendering that appeared in a magazine... This is more likely what we are going to see I think..

http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/2007/

Reed

Joey'sVee
02-17-06, 12:34 PM
I hope we get the northstar engine myself....oh yeah and a new diff.

LV_V
02-17-06, 01:02 PM
The Northstar? Are you insane?

Joey'sVee
02-17-06, 01:43 PM
The Northstar? Are you insane?

No why are you a dumbass???

The Northsatr is newer technology and a good engine. Ask the XLR-V and STS-V owners what they think!

Dreamin
02-17-06, 01:44 PM
...very interesting...

Florian
02-17-06, 01:56 PM
DOHC seems to be the future for GM vehicles...or as the new 6.2L has, the VVT on its pushrod engines. I suspect we'll see more VVT stuff as time rolls on.



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Florian
02-17-06, 01:57 PM
Ask the XLR-V and STS-V owners what they think!

They think they spent wayyyyy too much money for what they got.


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verbs
02-17-06, 02:07 PM
This engine produces 403 hp (301 kW) and 417 ftlbf (565 Nm). Good but hardly compares to the new LS family engines.


Those are the truck power figures.....the L92 engine is just the truck version of the LS3 motor which will replace the LS2 motor and make 450hp.

The LS3 motor isn't due out until 2008, and neither is the LS9. If there is going to be any kind of upgrade for 2007 it would have to be the LS7. Using the LS7 motor in 2007 and 2008 would follow suit with how GM gave the 2004 and 2005 CTS-Vs the LS6 motor.

Katshot
02-17-06, 02:12 PM
One group is the diehard Northstar fan, who won't be able to accept that there's anything better than the Northstar, then you have the guys that bought the S/C Northstar-powered cars and since they paid so much for the cars, won't talk about a down-side to it. Then you have the hard-core performance guys that either know a lot about engines or just want a reliable, modable engine.

verbs
02-17-06, 02:13 PM
No why are you a dumbass???

The Northsatr is newer technology and a good engine. Ask the XLR-V and STS-V owners what they think!
Actually Joey, the dumbass might be you (although I still love you :D )

I'm sure the XLR-V and STS-V owners are proud that they're making a lot less power than their competitors (AMGs, M5s, etc) and are a lot slower. :thepan:


The problem with DOHC like the Northstar is the packaging size. A Northstar motor is probably quite a bit larger in size than the LSx motors....so you can get more displacement to fit under the hood with an LS motor than a Northstar....and displacement is what the Northstar needs......it's only 75% as large displacement wise as it's blown AMG competitors.

lasstss
02-17-06, 02:25 PM
One group is the diehard Northstar fan, who won't be able to accept that there's anything better than the Northstar, then you have the guys that bought the S/C Northstar-powered cars and since they paid so much for the cars, won't talk about a down-side to it. Then you have the hard-core performance guys that either know a lot about engines or just want a reliable, modable engine.

The LS motors are easy to mod and relatively cheap. The Northstar is a great motor, expensive to mod. Expensive to replace.

Joey'sVee
02-17-06, 02:50 PM
Hey I learned something today!!!

kjr39
02-17-06, 03:34 PM
Hey I learned something today!!!

Which is....




FWIW, I would rather have an LS than a Northstar...

rand49er
02-17-06, 03:41 PM
Now, if we're all sittin' here dreamin' away, why don't we :stirpot: and think maggied LS7 ... or, better yet, maggied LS9!!! :thumbsup: Bring on those krauts!

verbs
02-17-06, 05:43 PM
Now, if we're all sittin' here dreamin' away, why don't we :stirpot: and think maggied LS7 ... or, better yet, maggied LS9!!! :thumbsup: Bring on those krauts!


Maggied LS7 is a bad idea. Compression ratio of 11.0:1 is just too damn high to run boost safely. Maybe 4psi max if you're lucky. You'd have to replace the pistons to drop the compression to run more boost safely. Besides, maggies for our cars suck as far as blowers go. They fall flat on their face above 5000rpms, and on an LS7 motor that revs to 7100rpms, the last thing I want is a blower that dies off at 5000rpms. For those that say but you get immediate power which is awesome for driving around town, if you have an LS7 in your car, you're not going to need anymore "immediate" power.

The LS9 is a roots style blown motor from the factory, so I don't think adding a maggie on top of that would be beneficial :). The LS9 is just a blown LS3....and the LS3 is the non-truck version of the L92 motor. If that makes sense.

If we do see an LS7 in this car expect the price to jump a lot!

V Amazed
02-21-06, 05:24 PM
dont forget the possibility that this V in the picture could just be a mule car...Many times we have seen new motors/platforms being tested under old sheetmetal. Fender flares could be merely there to more correctly simulate possible dimentions of a new edition CTS. Many possibilities

Ben

V-rooooom
02-21-06, 05:48 PM
Here's my prediction:

The new 2008 CTS-V will be built on the Camaro chassis that they're engineering in Australia as we speak. It'll have an LS3 (6.3L) engine.

verbs
02-22-06, 12:17 AM
Here's my prediction:

The new 2008 CTS-V will be built on the Camaro chassis that they're engineering in Australia as we speak. It'll have an LS3 (6.3L) engine.Last time I checked the LS3 was a 6.2L motor ;) Minor details though. This engine is replacing the LS2 motor so it would make sense. 450hp in the CTS-V would be fun!