: What do you all think of this car?



I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-10-06, 01:30 PM
1991-96 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight.

I've heard a lot of people say they are very ugly cars. I dont know why. I think it's a pretty good looking car in an unconventional way. At first I didnt like it, but just like the 90-97 Town Cars, it grew on me.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1992/Oldsmobile/1761/008659-E.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1993/Oldsmobile/1737/008745-E.jpg

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1991-96-Oldsmobile-Ninety-Eight-91128161990508.JPG


The 91-96 Ninety Eight is the car I wish I would have bought first off. I'm not saying the deVille is a bad car, no its a great car, but I wish I would have waited on the expensive V8 Cadillac until after college when I had more money.

Give me your thoughts, feedback, impressions please!

Thank you!

mccombie_5
02-10-06, 01:39 PM
Too many angles not enough curves.

I suppose it looked fururistic at the time.

brown1311
02-10-06, 01:42 PM
I had a 94 that looked just like that pic. Put 190K on it, sold to a friend they have over 250k on it and it's still running strong. The 3.8 is a very good motor. Great car...:yup:

mccombie_5
02-10-06, 01:47 PM
It might vae looked better had it not been so fussy, like not having the cladding on the lower body.

Spyder
02-10-06, 01:50 PM
I like it...not the greatest of the era, but its not horrible either. I'd drive one if I found it to be cheap enough.

gothicaleigh
02-10-06, 02:01 PM
The bottom half of the exterior is plastic and cheap looking even in photos. The straking lines molded into the plastic is very dated even for the year of the car and I don't think I've ever found them to be attractive on any car. Normally, I like covered rear wheels, but the bodylines do not complement it well here.
The dash is comprised of a dozen tiny chiclet sized buttons that all look the same, has poor gauges, and a fake burlwood trim. It has every interior flaw GM became notorious for in those years.

On the plus side, if I remember correctly, it has the very dependable 3800 V6 under the hood and Oldsmobiles in general are rather smooth on the road. You may even turn heads because most people will stop in awe and confusion that there isn't an old blue-hair behind the wheel.

It also made me smile that the photos you posted were of the car in that tan exterior color. I don't think I have ever seen one painted in another.

FSU_Noles
02-10-06, 02:35 PM
I was not so fond of this car as I was the 88 LSS from the same time period. If you compare a 98 to an Achieva of the same time period it just looks like some designer took silly puddy and stretched an Achieva up and out to make the 98.

DBA-One
02-10-06, 02:46 PM
That does nothing for me.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-10-06, 02:50 PM
Yeah the Achieva looks like a smaller version of the Ninety Eight.

Most cars have some important piece of exterior design.
For example, the New CTS's (and STS's to a lesser extent) look vaguely like the F-117 stealth fighter because off all the sharp angles and bold lines. What does the Ninety Eight look like? I never could figure this out? It's long, low and wide like a aircraft carrier. My best friend hates the Ninety Eights because he says it looks like two different people designed the car, and they didnt consult each other when designing it. He means that the back end is very square and long, and the front end, is shorter and it slopes off and more rounded. I really like the grille, it's kinda like a smaller version of the 91-93 deVille/Fleetwood/Sixty Special Grille.

http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ss/sshemi426/ac8.JPG
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/108/19817169/1141197719856_98_T_C_Cadillac_022.jpg

The thing I dont like most about the car is the rear roofline. It shouldnt slope as much. If it were more straight, I think it would look better. And it would look a lot better if the C-Pillar was thicker like the 91 Park Avenue's


How does this:
http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1991-96-Oldsmobile-Ninety-Eight-91128161990403.JPG

compare to this?
http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1991-96-Buick-Park-Avenue-91121341991516.JPG

Which is the better looker, the Park Ave or the Ninety Eight?

I like the Ninety Eight more because it doesnt look like every other car out there, and it's got that cool digital dash and driver information center, and it's an Oldsmobile, and they don't make em anymore, and I've always preferred Oldsmobile to Buick. For the most part anyways.

DBA-One
02-10-06, 02:58 PM
I'd buy the Park Ave over the Olds.

Elvis
02-10-06, 03:06 PM
My father had a 1991 Olds 98 Wagon. I spent a lot of time behind the wheel of that beast. It had a terrific ride, but the back seats were uncomfortable as hell because they had to fold down.

A few years ago when I test drove a '96 Fleetwood, I was reminded of that old wagon. Basically the same car with a 305 instead of a 350. I decided against it because I never felt "in control" driving it.

Suspensions in big cars have evolved light years beyond what they once were. I never would have believed that I could feel comfortable behind the wheel of something as big as an Expedition.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-10-06, 03:09 PM
Buick interior:
http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1991-96-Buick-Park-Avenue-91121341991617.JPG
Oldsmobile interior:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/383000-383999/383002_3_full.jpg

Which is more appealing? I couldnt find a good pic of the interior of a 1991-93 Ninety Eight Regency Elite w/ the digital dash, the pic I got is out of a 1996.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-10-06, 03:12 PM
My father had a 1991 Olds 98 Wagon. I spent a lot of time behind the wheel of that beast. It had a terrific ride, but the back seats were uncomfortable as hell because they had to fold down.

A few years ago when I test drove a '96 Fleetwood, I was reminded of that old wagon. Basically the same car with a 305 instead of a 350. I decided against it because I never felt "in control" driving it.

Suspensions in big cars have evolved light years beyond what they once were. I never would have believed that I could feel comfortable behind the wheel of something as big as an Expedition.'

Do you mean the Custom Cruiser?
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1991/Oldsmobile/1812/008651-E.jpg

waldoaz
02-10-06, 03:14 PM
rally nice

DBA-One
02-10-06, 03:14 PM
That Olds dash looks better but the rest of the car doesn't

Elvis,

You are certainly right about modern suspensions in today's larger cars. When I first drove my boss's Escalade I thought it would be a pig that handled like a wet sponge, would be floating and what not. I was very impressed. While I wouldn't throw it around a track or anything I thought it drove and handled very well considering it's size and weight.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-10-06, 03:18 PM
The suspensions in both of the cars I've owned have been pretty stable at high speeds, not really the floaty-boaty ride you would expect. Even the '81 Fleetwood Brougham Coupe and '90 Brougham I drove we're pretty stable at freeway speeds. I should go out and drive a '70s Continental to really get a feel for those old school suspensions!

Elvis
02-10-06, 03:27 PM
http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1991-96-Buick-Park-Avenue-91121341991617.JPG

I know the link says 1991-96 Buick Park Avenue, but that looks a little too much like an 80's dash.

The thing I remember is that the distance from the front edge of the windshield to the rear edge of the dash was something like two feet. In the 80's cars the depth of the dash was much shorter, and the windshield was a little more upright.

And yes, I~Luv~Caddys -- it was a Custom Cruiser--compete with the glass in the roof. White with burgundy interior.

He dumped a perfectly good 1987 Suburban for that Cruiser. Then he went back to the Suburban in 1994.

Night Wolf
02-10-06, 03:46 PM
Buick interior:
http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1991-96-Buick-Park-Avenue-91121341991617.JPG
Oldsmobile interior:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/383000-383999/383002_3_full.jpg

Which is more appealing? I couldnt find a good pic of the interior of a 1991-93 Ninety Eight Regency Elite w/ the digital dash, the pic I got is out of a 1996.

Yeah, but thats a bad comparison... as the Olds got the really nice newer interior in 1996.... same for Buick...

I think everyone knows my love for Oldsmobile... and I am VERY fond of the 3800....

but I just to not like the 1992-1996? Eighty Eight/Ninety Eight at all....

the Buick Park Ave, OTOH, is a very nice looking car of the same years...

personally I would take a Bonnieville SSEi.... but the Buick would be a close 2nd... this is one of the rare cases I would choose a Buick over an Oldsmobile.

Of course, I would rather have a 1991 Toronado Trofeo over any of these cars..... :D

nickc50310
02-10-06, 03:52 PM
'

Do you mean the Custom Cruiser?
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1991/Oldsmobile/1812/008651-E.jpg

That shit is OG triple!!! Im sellin my CTS for one, scratch that, Ill trade straight across. LOL!! Just joking of course!


My friend has an LSS and its a damn fine autmobile to be quite honest with ya. Id say the non LSS is pretty ugly but its still a great car, especially with a 3800.

Night Wolf
02-10-06, 03:57 PM
the '97+ Eighty Eight is a very nice re style, I like that alot... and they are cheap. The LSS version... not all but most.. came with the s/c 3800 :)

Still, 1992+, the 88/98 was doomed... they went wayyy down hill and I'd take a Park Ave Ultra or Bonnie SSEi over the 98 anyday.

Still though, I stick to my Toronado statement :).

DopeStar 156
02-10-06, 04:12 PM
Go with the Buick. Those Park Aves were really nice.

boricuacaddy
02-10-06, 04:23 PM
Before I bought my caddy I was driving the olds 1992 eighty. I have to say it handled very nicely. The one I had was loaded with all the bells and whistles. Everything electronic. The only problem I had was with the A/C compressor and that is after I had converted to the new freon type. The only reason I got rid of it was because I always wanted a Caddy! I sold it to my Brother and he just loves it. By the way I too like the Buicks.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-10-06, 04:44 PM
Like Rick, I really do like the Toronados, especially the Trofeos. Very underrated cars, much better than the similar early '90s Rivieras.

Adam
02-10-06, 04:49 PM
you arent getting one are you? i thought you were saving up for an Eldo? buying an ugly car is not going to help you get in one any sooner!;) :D

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-10-06, 05:09 PM
I wasnt thinking about buying one, I was gonna buy one, but I bought the deVille instead. But if I sold my car for a more fuel efficent one, then the Ninety Eight would be my first choice, otherwise, I'll just save up for that 98-03 Continental!

addison_ii
02-10-06, 09:38 PM
I've had a 1991 Park Avenue, a 1995 Olds 98 Regency, and several 92-95 Bonnevilles. In terms of ranking, the Bonnevilles are faster(may be a mind thing)My 91 Buick was loaded and had every option except leather and moonroof. My mom still has it and it has over 300k on the clock. My 95 Olds was the best out of the bunch just because it had digital dash, tinted windows, and the gas mileage on all of them were the same. I used to drive from Madison, WI to Saginaw, MI about 442 miles door to door on 3/4 of a tank of petrol. The styling in the Olds were better in my opinion starting in 94 when they went to the updated interior. The Olds and the Buick both had many features but the SSE(88-91) and SSEi(92-99) Bonnevilles had a few more IMO. The Buick has more of a sexy curvy shape to it vs. the Olds but both are very good cars to own.

CoupeDevilleRob
02-10-06, 09:55 PM
They're all great cars, can't beat the 3800 and a full size car. Out of the Ninety Eight, Bonneville and Park Ave (91-96 era) I'd take the Park Ave. In my opinion it has aged the best. The Ninety Eight and Bonneville look like 90's cars, the Park Ave has a more of a current look. My dad has a mint 93 Park Ave and some people refuse to accept it's 13 years old.

DaveDeVille
02-10-06, 09:58 PM
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/DavidEwing/64Olds98CustomSportsCoupeGeorgeDick.jpg
My Dad and my Grandpa both had silver '64 98's like this one. I loved them!

Night Wolf
02-10-06, 10:11 PM
Thats what I was going to say... the '92+ Park Ave HAS aged very well... and looking at the side, I do really like that curve, it just looks like a very solid car.

The Bonnie... yeah it is dated (the '98+? is soooo nice though) but It is very sporty looking with the fog lights, front air dam, rear spoiler, dual exhaust and ground effects. Perhaps the biggest advantage of the Bonnie though is the interior... the '92-'95 Park Ave had a realitively boring interior, while the Bonnie has a really nice interior... with with more features then most some new cars, the SSEi truely is fully loaded.

my 1989 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight Royale is a sweet car... the 3800 is such a great engine too. I would drive with a heavy foot and run the AC etc... and I still never got less then 22mpg town and 32mpg highway. That car was so good on gas for a modest V6 in a medium size family sedan car... plus it was quite powerful too.

gdwriter
02-11-06, 12:39 AM
I thought the '91 Park Avenue was a handsome car when it came out and still do. After years of chopped off GM designs, it was refreshing to see something so fluid. When I went shopping for a cheap blue-hair's car, the Buick was on my list.

The 98 looks awkward to me. I though Olds did better with the 88 and then with Aurora. Too late, unfortunately.

SilverFleetwood85
02-11-06, 01:20 AM
Yeah the Achieva looks like a smaller version of the Ninety Eight.
Most cars have some important piece of exterior design.
For example, the New CTS's (and STS's to a lesser extent) look vaguely like the F-117 stealth fighter because off all the sharp angles and bold lines. What does the Ninety Eight look like? I never could figure this out? It's long, low and wide like a aircraft carrier. My best friend hates the Ninety Eights because he says it looks like two different people designed the car, and they didnt consult each other when designing it. He means that the back end is very square and long, and the front end, is shorter and it slopes off and more rounded. I really like the grille, it's kinda like a smaller version of the 91-93 deVille/Fleetwood/Sixty Special Grille.
The thing I dont like most about the car is the rear roofline. It shouldnt slope as much. If it were more straight, I think it would look better. And it would look a lot better if the C-Pillar was thicker like the 91 Park Avenue's
How does this:
compare to this?
Which is the better looker, the Park Ave or the Ninety Eight?
I like the Ninety Eight more because it doesnt look like every other car out there, and it's got that cool digital dash and driver information center, and it's an Oldsmobile, and they don't make em anymore, and I've always preferred Oldsmobile to Buick. For the most part anyways.

If I were you, I would choose the Park Avenue, it is a much better looking car. The interior of the park Avenue is pretty cool because it was one of the first GM cars to have dual climate control. The climate control for the passenger is on the right side of the dash, with I believe its own LCD apart from the main climate control. I have been in a couple Park Avenues and they are really nice rides.

What happened to getting a 88 or 89 olds touring sedan, that is a much better looking ninety eight. If you find a low mileage one it should be very reliable.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-11-06, 01:33 AM
I had read in some car magazine or something that when the 91 Park Ave came out, people we're comparing it to Jaguars.

Night Wolf
02-11-06, 03:15 AM
I had read in some car magazine or something that when the 91 Park Ave came out, people we're comparing it to Jaguars.

No comparison... the 3800 is far more reliable. LOL!

After looking at the '91+ Park Ave more, I gotta say, its a really nice car. I thought the passnger temp control was on the passenger side door?

Either way... yeah, I would definitly buy a Park Ave... well, I'd want the Ultra :) but yeah... really nice car.

While the older generation... my Oldsmobile is still a sweet car... I really like it.

http://inoventionseast.com/Oldsmobile/Olds.jpg

Perhaps the most ideal, well-rounded engine to be used in a car :)

http://inoventionseast.com/Oldsmobile/3800.jpg

noahsdad
02-11-06, 08:52 AM
http://encyclopedia.classicoldsmobile.com/toronado/88.jpg

Rick -

I'm with you. I have never understood why the Trofeo wasn't the best selling car in GM history. Sexy lines, the 3800, that amazing little touch-screen info center - Ooompa!

If I could find one of these with modest miles it would be in my garage tomorrow.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-11-06, 09:20 AM
I also really like the Trofeo's. I just prefer the 1990-92 style more. Longer, lower, sexier, with much more flowing lines. The 86-89 was too truncated, too small looking, even though they are the same car underneath.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-11-06, 09:28 AM
Between a 1993 Park Avenue and a 1993 Ninety Eight with the analog dashboard, I would take the Park Avenue. The digital dash & Driver Information Center is basically the selling point of the Ninety Eight for me.

lux hauler
02-11-06, 10:28 AM
I had read in some car magazine or something that when the 91 Park Ave came out, people we're comparing it to Jaguars.
I think it was more the shape of the grill than anything else. There are some similarities in the lines of the two cars though.
http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1991-96-Buick-Park-Avenue-91121341991516.JPG

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1990-94-Jaguar-XJ6-XJ12-91407091000103.JPG

davesdeville
02-11-06, 10:50 AM
After looking at the '91+ Park Ave more, I gotta say, its a really nice car. I thought the passnger temp control was on the passenger side door?

It's technically on the door, but the dash curves onto the door, so it's like it's on both.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-11-06, 11:03 AM
Yeah that Park Ave really does look like a slightly more curvy version of that XJ-6.


Also, the Ninety Eight Regency Elite has the dual zone climate control also. The Passenger control is on the passenger's armrest.

FSU_Noles
02-11-06, 11:47 AM
http://encyclopedia.classicoldsmobile.com/toronado/88.jpg

Rick -

I'm with you. I have never understood why the Trofeo wasn't the best selling car in GM history. Sexy lines, the 3800, that amazing little touch-screen info center - Ooompa!

If I could find one of these with modest miles it would be in my garage tomorrow.

IIRC the Toronado was the same platform with the touch screen also... I always liked the looks of them when they were new.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-11-06, 11:51 AM
IIRC the Toronado was the same platform with the touch screen also

Yup, the Toronados and Rivieras had that touch screen optional. Not many of them worked after a while IIRC.

Night Wolf
02-11-06, 01:09 PM
Yeah, the '90-'92 Toronados are my favorite... such nice interiors.

VIC! lol... Vickey was a nice option... it is quite reliable system, every single car I have seen, they still work fine. Only thing i personally do not like is... I like to upgrade the sound systems in my car, and with that, you are limited... but still, its very cool.

I really like the Toronado... well, outside styling is sweet, amazing interior, love the 3800... and most of all, its an Oldsmobile :). See with the Series I NA 3800... that means that a Series II s/c 3800 is nearly a drop in swap... THAT is what I would do to the Toronado Trofeo is I got one.... lightly modify that then have fun... if my fathers '99 Grand Prix can run a 14.4 in the 1/4 mi with minor bolt ons, and then return 23mpg town and 34mpg highway in a car that weighs as much as my DeVille... imagine what it can do in a smaller car that weighs about 400lbs less.

If the deciding factor between 2 cars is a digital dash or not... well... thats kinda weak :).

What is it with the digital dash? I don't like them.. I'd rather have a nice set of full analog gauges, so much better. Yeah I swapped the digital dash in the Coupe, but that was going from an ultra boring analog cluster to a slightly less boring digital cluster...plus it dosn't stop at 85... and I was tired of the 3 cars I own, having the same speedo :). If anything for me, the full analog dash on the Buick is a major selling point.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-11-06, 01:25 PM
I agree its neat to have full instrumentation in a luxury sedan. Only the Park Avenues have that, the STS,ETC's and all of the other GM luxury sedans from the mid '90s didnt have that, but when you get the Digital dash on the Ninety Eight, you get the Driver Information Center, which is like the FDC in our devilles, but more extensive. It's got battery volts, oil pressure, coolant temp, oil life, tachometer, avg and instant fuel economy, range, fuel used, time elapsed, ETA, avg speed, and more. That is a very neat feature, and it's one of the most extensive DIC's out there, and the only V6 powered GM luxury sedan to have this feature. The only other GM cars that have a DIC this extensive is the 92+ Seville/Eldo, and the 94+ deville/concours.

Night Wolf
02-11-06, 01:47 PM
lol, I guess if it means that much to you.....

plus, the Toronado has all that, WITH the full analog gauges :)....I want one.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-11-06, 01:55 PM
Eh....I guess I never really thought of a Toro and a 98 in the same league, but I like the Toronado Trofeos a lot too, but they're very hard to come by in nice condition in MN, whereas Ninety Eights and Park Aves are a dime a dozen.

SilverFleetwood85
02-12-06, 01:47 AM
I guess no one read my comment about the 98 touring sedan, oh well. Another really nice car, is the 89-93 Buick Riviera, which in my opinion looks even better then the torfeo/tornado, you should maybe consider one of these. The Riviera had the GCC (Graphic Control Center) which was offered in 89, its really cool (much like the oldsmobiles one). The Riviera also has a digital dash standard, with really cool digital guages.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-12-06, 03:08 AM
I guess no one read my comment about the 98 touring sedan, oh well. I read it, I just didnt post about it :) The 92-93 Ninety Eight Touring Sedan with the S/C 3800 is probably my favorite V6 car of all time. I love the subtle, sporty look, the fantastic interior with the floor console and full guages with DIC, and the reliability of the 3800 combined with the power of the 205 supercharged horses. Actually, the first pictures I posted are of the 1992 TS. Odd to say, but I would trade my Caddy off for one of these in a heartbeat, if it was nice enough.

davesdeville
02-12-06, 06:23 AM
I prefer the Park Ave to the 98, but I like them both quite a bit. Just give me a SC3800 version...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-12-06, 01:06 PM
Idk, the Park Ave is a nice car, but theres just something I dont like about Buicks after owning that Roadmaster, where all of the interior materials were hard, low quality, cheap plastics and hard, tough leather. Buicks just seem like a real low budget wanna-be Caddy. The Oldsmobile is different though, I've never owned an Olds yet. My mom had an '83 Oldsmobile Firenza from 1983-1994 when it was totaled by some kids in a Jeep Grand Wagoneer that decided to do a little "urban off roading" on our unpaved road. They lost control and hit the driver's side of the Firenza and our 1989 Taurus LX wagon. My dad was sooo happy to have that Taurus totaled. He hated that car! We've never had a car with more problems than that one! That car is partially the reason why I've always bought GM's and not Ford products.

SilverFleetwood85
02-15-06, 02:02 PM
Thanks for the reply I~Luv~Caddys8792. As you well know I really like the Olds 98 Touring Sedan from 87-89 and Olds 98 from 85-90, both are my favorite Oldsmobiles along with the olds 88 (87-89). I would agree with you on Buick, I really did not like the dashes of the 80s up to 91 Park Avenues and LeSabres, they were just ugly.

I think Buick stepped it up a notch in the 92 Lesabre and Park Avenue they had a much nicer dash and interior design, but I believe in 95 they really cheapened the interiors of both of these cars. The only oldsmobile interior that I liked was the Aurora's during the 90s.

The Olds is a good choice, it has the proven 3800 and a good transmission. I too like Oldsmobiles Digital Dash and its Drivers Information Center, I believe it even says like "Good Morning", "Good Afternoon", and "Good Evening" to you, which is very cool.