: Why so much depreciation on the V, flame suit on



CRZY747
02-02-06, 03:40 PM
Okay I have been doing some thinking. This car is not for everyone, pretty obvious by all the whining and bitching going on around here about the V. My guess is that most have not owned high power cars. Which most that have know without a doubt will have a problem or two eventually. I understand that the dealerships don’t know how to handle us “motor heads”, but some dealerships do. I say find the one that will understand you and take car of you, because they are out there. I understand we all have problems, and the rear is a weak link, the navi buttons some have problems with ect. But seems that the more that I hear people grip, the lower the price of this car goes as in resale, people are dumping there cars, causing it to depreciate more, we are driving potential buyers away from these cars. I am to be honest very disappointed in the attitude that some people in here have towards the V. I say dump your car and go get a Benz, bmw, ect ect. Because I bet you they have just as many problems if not more problems as the V does. Just wait till the MADMAN or Aussie rear comes out, this car will be complete, and will be able to really compete in all arenas, the drag strip, the auto cross ect. I guess my point is that I want to make it known that I love my car and there is only one other car out there besides the V I would own that is close in price or closer than any BMW or Benz and that is a 06 Z06.

This car has more heart and soul. The rest of the cars out there are just that a car with no soul, this is a machine that I am very proud owner of, and I don’t care about the problems it has, but I know that it could be a lot worse also, so I can live with the faults .

One more note this is a very exclusive car, being that not that many were made in 04 or 05, which makes me love this car even more. I don’t want to have the same car as every tom dick and Harry has. I just hope that we can all pull together and stop the bad talk about the car, ya I know I don’t have to read it, blah blah blah, but how many times have I seen the people bad mouth there own car and then a couple days later after driving it again say it is the best car they have owned.

NO MORE WHINNING PEOPLE PLEASE, we are just driving more and more people away, let’s brighten up the V community and welcome people in and are proud to own such a fine machine.

Thanks
Jet

Kadonny
02-02-06, 03:47 PM
I agree with almost everything you say. The only thing I'll throw into the equation is that GM is not helping things. The employee pricing they had in the fall and the current cost cutting is absolutely affecting the secondary market. It's not all our fault or the cars fault.

Merle Corey
02-02-06, 03:52 PM
Right, well then, when I get my car back after having the right front suspension rebuilt because it collapsed... I'll remind myself I'm driving a limited edition I'd be happy to safely carry my family around in...

I'm not saying I don't love everything about my impression, hopes, dreams, and expectations of the beast - but wTF do you think when you're riding on a prayer with your 86 year old Mom in the front passenger seat when THAT $hi^ happens?

CRZY747
02-02-06, 03:56 PM
Right, well then, when I get my car back after having the right front suspension rebuilt because it collapsed... I'll remind myself I'm driving a limited edition I'd be happy to safely carry my family around in...

I'm not saying I don't love everything about my impression, hopes, dreams, and expectations of the beast - but wTF do you think when you're riding on a prayer with your 86 year old Mom in the front passenger seat when THAT $hi^ happens?

Now that I understand why you would be upset about that, I would be to. Which this fortunatly is the only case I have heard of, the suspension haveing collapsed on this car.

Mikes V
02-02-06, 04:16 PM
I agree as well! In most peoples case when you get unhappy at the dealer, you are unhappy all the way around. By no means am I bashing the car or the idea that cadillac put into production. I just can't stand the people that think these are full blown race cars. They do have some similarities, but in street form. I drive race cars, trust me there is a lot more that can go wrong on a machine that is being beated lap after lap.

I'll admit, I wanted to get rid of my V at one point. No fault of the car, I just couldn't get a service guy to listen to me. My Crew Chief listens! Isn't a service guy like a crew chief? Think about it......if you are out of the race at Daytona due to mechanical failure, aren't you frustrated and want to blame something? In most drivers minds they are thinking, I bet if I had there equipment we wouldn't be in this situation.......

Food for thought?

Seattle CTS-V
02-02-06, 04:18 PM
Now that I understand why you would be upset about that, I would be to. Which this fortunatly is the only case I have heard of, the suspension haveing collapsed on this car.

Yeah, never heard of that happening before. Not even sure what that means...

0002S
02-02-06, 04:26 PM
Every car has problems. It's how it's handle that's the issue. (aside from lemons and they should be replaced)

The expectation of owners is "usually" higher on high $$ cars and well as performance cars.

Bitching on line is a function of NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. But so is a "look what I got" or "I just beat brand X". It's all part of Car Model Community.

I don't know how much the bitching on this board helps car values.

lasstss
02-02-06, 05:09 PM
In the end, this car will plateau out in price. It will be a collector peice. Perhaps not a Grand National, but close. God knows its got a hell of a lot better interior. :D

V-SATX
02-02-06, 05:12 PM
I agree with your writing CRZY747. The real issue here is that many of the individuals that purchased the car were hoping the engineering would be a 100% right off the production line in late 03 early 04. After all it’s a Cadillac! Those of us who have been loyal to Cadillac over the years expect perfected engineering. We assume Cadillac will get it right the first time…always. Well, frankly, this is naive for such a performance leap designed around the original CTS platform. We expect that every last detail was researched and tested (including the differential). If each of us only new the amount of time and testing that went into this vehicle we would be slow to complain. It was a bold step for Cadillac and the performance division. If most of us understood the engineering challenges of putting a flagship LS6 Corvette engine in an entry level luxury car and streamlining that muscle to hug curves like a tight winter glove we certainly would not complain and simply enjoy the 1 g runs on a bending road. Frankly, I am amazed with the product they did produce. Is it perfect?…No it is far from perfect. However, some of us enjoy tinkering with our first in its class. Part of the thrill is hoping for the next fix or mod to further understand the Cadillac performance divisions dream. Regardless of some member’s feelings and further negative critiques this is a special automobile. I am thankful for the engineers and workers that birthed this car into production.

After all, I haven’t had this much fun since my 1971 Barracuda with the 311 Dana rear-end. The stiff axle road like a truck and stiff springs used to shed motor mounts at least every other week. We loved the car though for its mean street prowess.

Sorry for the rambling just my 2 cents.

Merle Corey
02-02-06, 05:26 PM
V-SATX, this is exactly the reasons I came to the V.
and, Seattle; soon as I know I'll let you guys know too.
I'm not Speed Racer, I don't romp the pedal. I do like winding roads, but the car has only 8800 miles and more than half of that is straight as'd commute. Like I say, when I know you guys will.

DILLIGAF
02-02-06, 05:52 PM
I don't like the bitching either.Who can tell us the actual percentage of v owners and non v owners that visit this board.(Nobody)I just don't like hearing the same bitch over and over again.The type of individual who I want in here solves problems instead of whinning all the time.My cars a kickass toy,and it's gonna break,and i'm gonna fix it.26,000 miles and nothing but small problems so far.11,000 of those miles maggied.I love my car and it has some inherent problems oh well,i'm glad i'm surrounded by all you guys who help me keep her running.

BadCad
02-02-06, 06:17 PM
Amen... man I am glad a few others are standing up for the V and not slamming it like a sick puppy. If you don't like the V, sell it and get another car to bitch about. All you're doing is hurting yourself and others who do like the V by creating a terrible and undeserved reputation for this car.
Yeah, the car has faults, but for a first-generation effort, it ain't bad. There still aren't that many other cars out there I'd want in lieu of the V.

ace996
02-02-06, 06:25 PM
When I first got my V, I couldn't believe how it felt...like when opening a Christmas present that you wished for for months!!!! It was great, the car hauls ass, turns like no 4door sedan should, and braking that rivals anything I've ever experienced. I really was on cloud 9, even had StealthV's engine covers before I brought home the car!!!!
Then things went bad. I'm not going to get into it, most have read my posts prior and they're not of the "happy-go-lucky" type. Lets just say 40 days in service for driveline problems in 8 months has soured my love-affair, and currently my tranny is leaking from the tailshaft...again...one week after they replaced the seal that was leaking then!!!! I really do love my car, damn, I wish it was everything it could be...., but I've had enough with the BS from service, from Corporate, and from the engineer's mistakes. Yes, that's right...ENGINEERING MISTAKES!!!! Shortcuts were taken that are inexcusable for a car retailing for $50K. And fixes have not been released properly or have been just as bad as the original problems.

And just try autoxing this car....the bushings in the suspension were never intended to be subject to that kind of abuse...don't ask how I know.

So for me, I've had a bad experience. From the salesmen who didn't know dikc about the car, to the service guys who know less, to corporate who says everything is normal....For a used car, say under 10K miles to sell for $35K...great deal, I'd gladly upgrade the driveline to what it needs to be. But for a $50K car, its now on my "non-recommend" list.

And I am really jeasous of those who still love their car, I really wish I was one of you....for a few weeks I was in Heaven....it's been a different feeling since....
-ace

BadCad
02-02-06, 06:29 PM
autoxing
what's that?:hmm:

ace996
02-02-06, 06:35 PM
what's that?:hmm:

http://www.scca.org/Solo/Solo2.asp?IdS=0002AE-3355310&x=050|030&~=

Too much fun for the V!!!!
-ace

crowan
02-02-06, 07:30 PM
I fully agree with those who appreciate the effort that someone at Cadillac made to get this car to market. Its not perfect, but it is still the most enjoyable car I have ever owned.

I wish Cadillac would do more with its advertising to create "buzz" around the car, like Chrysler does with its entire Hemi line, because it would greatly enhance the resale value of the V. I also wish that more dealers were professional enough to learn about, and service, the cars they sell. Poor dealer service is the single most important issue affecting one's enjoyment of the car. There seems to be no middle ground; it is either great or totally incompetent. People who have experienced problems that are not the result of abuse should be able to expect that their cars will be serviced professionally and with a smile.

That said, when you look at the total V sales numbers versus the number of forum members, we are only a small slice of the total ownership. Those who bother to post here have strong feelings about their cars, good or bad. I must say that I am surprised by the number of people who, on the one hand, post that they "beat the piss" out of their cars and, in the next breath complain that parts are breaking and they want warranty coverage. They are the ones who scream that they "drive the car the way it was meant to be driven," but I don't believe that Cadillac thought it was building an IROC Z.

The serious performance folks are hard at work developing aftermarket diffs and other pieces that will help them mod the V to suit their individual needs and styles. They are to be commended. The whiners just want other people to pay for driving choices that often border on juvenile. They, and the employee pricing discounts, have helped to drive down the value of the V.

CR
13,000 miles & no problems

6104696
02-02-06, 07:47 PM
If it makes anyone feel any better, the ford guys are complaining about peeling buttons on their stereo systems.....

heavymetals
02-02-06, 07:54 PM
The best and worst thing that happened to the V is the "rudderless boat" management that GM/Cadillac is/was blessed with when they created this vehicle.

Let me ask you. How many of you have received a survey from Cadillac as to how you are "enjoying" your car?
I get a survey from GM about the dealer/service and I also get one from the dealer themselves about how I was treated, blah blah blah, but no one asks if I like the car!

THEY DON"T CARE!!!

The ones that do are hamstrung by management.

Case in point, has there ever been any followup to the conference call that took place?

What I am getting at is that without support and listening to feedback from owners, Cadillac is not going to build a loyal base of owners for these limited production, high performance "flagships".

I am very happy with my V and the service I have received.
I assume that is because the dealer cares wether I am a repeat customer or not.

10secvette
02-02-06, 10:36 PM
I must say that I am surprised by the number of people who, on the one hand, post that they "beat the piss" out of their cars and, in the next breath complain that parts are breaking and they want warranty coverage. They are the ones who scream that they "drive the car the way it was meant to be driven," but I don't believe that Cadillac thought it was building an IROC Z.

The serious performance folks are hard at work developing aftermarket diffs and other pieces that will help them mod the V to suit their individual needs and styles. They are to be commended. The whiners just want other people to pay for driving choices that often border on juvenile. They, and the employee pricing discounts, have helped to drive down the value of the V.

CR
13,000 miles & no problems


Well said. It seems like this is "their" first "fast" car (well, kind of quick). The comments about driving the way it was meant to be driven is what I would tell my parents when I was 16 and had my first v8 with a stick. I used to beat the piss out it and expected Ford to pick up the tab everytime I broke it. (1985 GT Mustang) The V is not a drag car, it's a 4 door sedan for cripes sake with a nice v8 and six speed, good handling and good brakes. Nothing more, nothing less. Do smoky burnouts in your Honda or Toyota or B'mer etc. and see how long the diffs. or clutches last. I think taking driving lessons on how not to beat the piss out of the car should be mandatory from G.M., it would save them money on warranty work from the "adult children" that drive these cars. Flamesuit is on, and it's thick, so take your best shot. I hope I did'nt hit any nerves.:histeric:

10secvette
02-02-06, 10:41 PM
I've had enough with the BS from service, from Corporate, and from the engineer's mistakes. Yes, that's right...ENGINEERING MISTAKES!!!! Shortcuts were taken that are inexcusable for a car retailing for $50K. And fixes have not been released properly or have been just as bad as the original problems.

And just try autoxing this car....the bushings in the suspension were never intended to be subject to that kind of abuse...don't ask how I know.
-ace

I posted this a few weeks ago, your bitching about a mega low production specialty vehicle....... you expect to much....... thank god all the c5 owners are not like you... there would be no LS7 Z06.

"

I bought my V 5 weeks ago and have since put on 6k miles in that period of time. No issues with a ton of dyno time to boot. This is a G.M. vehicle, get over it. You have a warranty, use it. If you are going to keep the car, buy an extended one. It's that simple.

Anyone have any experiance with the 10 bolt that went in Fbody's???? They sucked and also broke all the time. It seems like there will be some rearend solutions in the near future, get over it. If you can't afford one, go easy on the car.... that's life, or sell it.

Let me throw this out...... G.M.'s flagship car, the Corvette, near and dear to my heart, I've owned 3 c5's and numerous other years. But I will talk about the c5's, since they are the most recent ones that went through their whole model run. They were built from 1997 to 2004. 7 model years, let me list some of the issues:

warped rotor's
torn and worn leather seats after a year
steering column lock that would get stuck LOCKED
fuel gauge, no worky
noisy fuel pump
seat's that traveled 2 inches in their tracks "rocking seat"
oil consumption
a4's that died when you READ through a performance parts catalog
leaky rear end seals
a-frame fractures
TPS that die
enough electrical problems to make Lucas look good at times

There are more that I have forgotten...... because they don't matter. After 7 model years, the General addressed the oil consumption and noisy fuel pump issue's, that's about it. Their flagship vehicle and the gas gauge won't work, or the seat rocks and slides in their tracks. Guess what, they still sold every fricken car they could make... long before they had g.m. pricing and red tag sale crap. The V's issues are minor. JMO of course."

kjr39
02-02-06, 10:47 PM
Wait a minute....

I thought the Internet was invented for people to bitch about the things that they buy.... :P

(And surf porn.)

Dennisscars
02-02-06, 11:01 PM
Employee pricing, (great when your buying..)

dumb ass salemen (CTS-roman numeral 5)

dumb ass service (it's SUPPOSE to do THAT...)

forum biatching (my car sux..because I don't know how to drive a non rice car...)

10secvette
02-03-06, 01:05 AM
forum biatching (my car sux..because I don't know how to drive a non rice car...)

:histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: :histeric: Now you done it!!!

ace996
02-03-06, 02:04 PM
I posted this a few weeks ago, your bitching about a mega low production specialty vehicle....... you expect to much....... thank god all the c5 owners are not like you... there would be no LS7 Z06.
I expect to be able to drive my car and not have it break/clunk/whine every few thousand miles. My driving habits do not include street racing/dragracing/launching, and the car still chooses to leak tranny fluid, eat diffs, and break trailing-arm bushings. And yes, thank God I am not like those to which you refer who accept shoddy workmanship. Hopefully, those people were greeted with better dealer-service than I have been.

"

I bought my V 5 weeks ago and have since put on 6k miles in that period of time. No issues with a ton of dyno time to boot. This is a G.M. vehicle, get over it. You have a warranty, use it. If you are going to keep the car, buy an extended one. It's that simple.
You bought a used car didn't you? What did you pay? $30something?? I'd absolutely love my car if I paid in the $30s for it. I wouldn't bend over and take it like a champ from GM like some do, but I'd feel a little better having to drop over $5K just to make it drive correctly if I bought it used.

Anyone have any experiance with the 10 bolt that went in Fbody's???? They sucked and also broke all the time. It seems like there will be some rearend solutions in the near future, get over it. If you can't afford one, go easy on the car.... that's life, or sell it.
I choose to do neither, its GMs mistakes that have caused a great concept to be less than stellar, and it'll soon be their problem...not mine. I really wish you the best, I'm actually quite jealous of your love for the V...I remember that feeling...enjoy it. Let's hope you don't wind up feeling like many of us do after a few more thousand miles, as it is not a pleasant situation.-ace
Best of luck to you.


-ace

crowan
02-03-06, 02:40 PM
-ace

We'll mark him down as "undecided." :histeric:

keeksv
02-03-06, 03:01 PM
We'll mark him down as "undecided." :histeric:

:p :hide:
We all would like to know what Ethug thinks....

automag928
02-03-06, 03:07 PM
I posted this a few weeks ago, your bitching about a mega low production specialty vehicle....... you expect to much....... thank god all the c5 owners are not like you... there would be no LS7 Z06.

"

I bought my V 5 weeks ago and have since put on 6k miles in that period of time. No issues with a ton of dyno time to boot. This is a G.M. vehicle, get over it. You have a warranty, use it. If you are going to keep the car, buy an extended one. It's that simple.

Anyone have any experiance with the 10 bolt that went in Fbody's???? They sucked and also broke all the time. It seems like there will be some rearend solutions in the near future, get over it. If you can't afford one, go easy on the car.... that's life, or sell it.

Let me throw this out...... G.M.'s flagship car, the Corvette, near and dear to my heart, I've owned 3 c5's and numerous other years. But I will talk about the c5's, since they are the most recent ones that went through their whole model run. They were built from 1997 to 2004. 7 model years, let me list some of the issues:

warped rotor's
torn and worn leather seats after a year
steering column lock that would get stuck LOCKED
fuel gauge, no worky
noisy fuel pump
seat's that traveled 2 inches in their tracks "rocking seat"
oil consumption
a4's that died when you READ through a performance parts catalog
leaky rear end seals
a-frame fractures
TPS that die
enough electrical problems to make Lucas look good at times

There are more that I have forgotten...... because they don't matter. After 7 model years, the General addressed the oil consumption and noisy fuel pump issue's, that's about it. Their flagship vehicle and the gas gauge won't work, or the seat rocks and slides in their tracks. Guess what, they still sold every fricken car they could make... long before they had g.m. pricing and red tag sale crap. The V's issues are minor. JMO of course."

And you even left out some of the more expensive problems for the c5s, like the batteries leaking directly onto the pcm's...oops...didnt know battery acid would eat away a car's computer. :hmm: The numerous towing costs I had because the column lock crap...one time they had to use TWO tow-trucks..one to get me from the 4th floor parking garage of my work to the ground floor, the other flatbed to get it to the dealer. AC ducts on the dual a/c get stuck and you get no cold air on driver's side. Headlight motor gears go out, because GM uses cheap plastic for the gears...The list goes on and on...

ace996
02-03-06, 03:13 PM
And you even left out some of the more expensive problems for the c5s, like the batteries leaking directly onto the pcm's...oops...didnt know battery acid would eat away a car's computer. :hmm: The numerous towing costs I had because the column lock crap...one time they had to use TWO tow-trucks..one to get me from the 4th floor parking garage of my work to the ground floor, the other flatbed to get it to the dealer. AC ducts on the dual a/c get stuck and you get no cold air on driver's side. Headlight motor gears go out, because GM uses cheap plastic for the gears...The list goes on and on...

And you guy's still buy GM cars? This was my first GM car...and without doubt my last, I can't justify giving business to a company who releases products that are sub-par. Now if only they could get the engine engineers, who "get it", to work on the rest of the vehicle....now that'd be something worth looking at!
-ace

keeksv
02-03-06, 03:36 PM
And you even left out some of the more expensive problems for the c5s, like the batteries leaking directly onto the pcm's...oops...didnt know battery acid would eat away a car's computer. :hmm: The numerous towing costs I had because the column lock crap...one time they had to use TWO tow-trucks..one to get me from the 4th floor parking garage of my work to the ground floor, the other flatbed to get it to the dealer. AC ducts on the dual a/c get stuck and you get no cold air on driver's side. Headlight motor gears go out, because GM uses cheap plastic for the gears...The list goes on and on...

Sounds like normal Corvette ownership if you ask me....still miss mine--wife almost left me when we got stranded one day:rolleyes:

crowan
02-03-06, 03:38 PM
:p :hide:
We all would like to know what Ethug thinks....

E says the V is the shizzle when he wants to get his "ride" on. So much mack for so little jack! Can I get a hootie hoo? But, even E-Thug has a list of complaints about the V:


cupholders won't accomodate a 40oz
console too flimsy for a decent "gangsta lean"
console too small for a Glock
no Landau roof
no option for a "diamond in the back" rear window insert
no six lug spinners
no optional horn that plays "Where da hood at?"Who is addressing these issues my homies? When GM gets on the good foot and delivers the cheese, E will be laying chilly in the cut!

One Love

E
So many shorties, so little time.

urbanski
02-03-06, 03:44 PM
needs more 22" rims

keeksv
02-03-06, 03:47 PM
E says the V is the shizzle when he wants to get his "ride" on. So much mack for so little jack! Can I get a hootie hoo? But, even E-Thug has a list of complaints about the V:


cupholders won't accomodate a 40oz
console too flimsy for a decent "gangsta lean"
console too small for a Glock
no Landau roof
no option for a "diamond in the back" rear window insert
no six lug spinners
no optional horn that plays "Where da hood at?"Who is addressing these issues my homies? When GM gets on the good foot and delivers the cheese, E will be laying chilly in the cut!

One Love

E
So many shorties, so little time.

I just about sh*t myself laughing just now.....thanks for brightening up an otherwise less than stellar Friday.:highfive:

crypto_coyle79
02-03-06, 04:24 PM
Now that I understand why you would be upset about that, I would be to. Which this fortunatly is the only case I have heard of, the suspension haveing collapsed on this car.

No it happened to me too. There was a 100% safty recall on the 04's for lower A arm washers braking off and releasing the lower A arm but it happeded to my 2005 at about 8000 miles going about 80mph on the 395 out side DC. It took Moore Cadillac 3 weeks to fix it. it was pretty bad, the car just started to shake and then crash down it went. I couldn't stear or brake much, just kind of ground to a halt.:bonkers:

roadracerx72
02-03-06, 04:45 PM
No it happened to me too. There was a 100% safty recall on the 04's for lower A arm washers braking off and releasing the lower A arm but it happeded to my 2005 at about 8000 miles going about 80mph on the 395 out side DC. It took Moore Cadillac 3 weeks to fix it. it was pretty bad, the car just started to shake and then crash down it went. I couldn't stear or brake much, just kind of ground to a halt.:bonkers:

Holy Sh(^&t!!! Imagine if that happened out here on the freeways of Los Angeles!! (You can't steer and just grind to a halt) Yeah, say in the #1 lane of the 405 then comes some teenager doing your same speed in moms car and.... OMG!!! and you thought the collapse was your problem.

automag928
02-03-06, 04:58 PM
Sounds like normal Corvette ownership if you ask me....still miss mine--wife almost left me when we got stranded one day:rolleyes:

Yep ...exactly normal corvette ownership... :)

BeagleBrains
02-03-06, 05:29 PM
Depreciation is spot-on average when buying new. When I worked at a new car dealership, many years back, there were a number of buyers who routinely arranged to buy a specific new car buyer's car that was traded in at predictable two or three year intervals. The new buyer got the latest and the second owner got the greatest (buy plus a known condition - well cared for car). You could buy only at the end of a model year when there is always a discount. Choices abound.

Florian
02-03-06, 05:36 PM
E says the V is the shizzle when he wants to get his "ride" on. So much mack for so little jack! Can I get a hootie hoo? But, even E-Thug has a list of complaints about the V:


cupholders won't accomodate a 40oz
console too flimsy for a decent "gangsta lean"
console too small for a Glock
no Landau roof
no option for a "diamond in the back" rear window insert
no six lug spinners
no optional horn that plays "Where da hood at?"Who is addressing these issues my homies? When GM gets on the good foot and delivers the cheese, E will be laying chilly in the cut!

One Love

E
So many shorties, so little time.

Carl (sorry...EThug)

This is by far your best post EVER! Ive never laughed so hard at a forum post. You did, however, forget a few miscellaneous items:

* tough to find place to add 'curb feelers' with V front facia
* hydraulics tend to bounce car off lower air dam
* absolutely far too difficult to add "continental' type spare on rear decklid
* no place to stash my reefer

Props from the 440, Ethug...keep it real!

F

crowan
02-03-06, 05:45 PM
Carl (sorry...EThug)

This is by far your best post EVER! Ive never laughed so hard at a forum post. You did, however, forget a few miscellaneous items:

* tough to find place to add 'curb feelers' with V front facia
* hydraulics tend to bounce car off lower air dam
* absolutely far too difficult to add "continental' type spare on rear decklid
* no place to stash my reefer

Props from the 440, Ethug...keep it real!

F

Tru dat!

How did I forget the reefer? Snap! My bad.

Mad props to the 440 crew.

E-Thug, out

Merle Corey
02-03-06, 07:11 PM
Holy Sh(^&t!!! Imagine if that happened out here on the freeways of Los Angeles!! (You can't steer and just grind to a halt) Yeah, say in the #1 lane of the 405 then comes some teenager doing your same speed in moms car and.... OMG!!! and you thought the collapse was your problem.

The day after it happened: when I was finally able to think about just what had happened; and where it could have happened was when I walked into this thread. Now, since the thread started we all started speaking about how "GM's flagship sport machine has had it's troubles", but this almost appears to be a loss of engineering ethics here.

When my shop service manager tells me what let go was the lower ball joint retaining nut - as in it appears to have backed off... and allowed the link to separate; I start thinking why aren't these things two-blocked? Why is it we are depending on a critical component linkage using a nylon filled nut? (Not to mention if this assembly is disassembled, the old nut removed is to be discarded.)

The service manager has bumped this event up to corporate. He even referred to the campaign bulletin regards the '04s mentioned herewith... but of course, the VIN of my car as like crypto_coyle79's weren't within the range specified. ( By the by crypto, same general specifications; March 05 build with 8,800 miles logged.) And, thankfully, GM is covering all associated expenses as warranty. But you gotta wonder, w-t-F?


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"The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a wind rose.... The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of time.
But it was a beginning."

10secvette
02-03-06, 08:48 PM
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-top-left.gifQuote:http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-top-right.gifhttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-by-left.gifOriginally Posted by 10secvettehttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-by-right.gifhttp://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/images/misc/quotes/quot-top-right-10.gifI posted this a few weeks ago, your bitching about a mega low production specialty vehicle....... you expect to much....... thank god all the c5 owners are not like you... there would be no LS7 Z06.
I expect to be able to drive my car and not have it break/clunk/whine every few thousand miles. My driving habits do not include street racing/dragracing/launching, and the car still chooses to leak tranny fluid, eat diffs, and break trailing-arm bushings. And yes, thank God I am not like those to which you refer who accept shoddy workmanship. Hopefully, those people were greeted with better dealer-service than I have been.

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I bought my V 5 weeks ago and have since put on 6k miles in that period of time. No issues with a ton of dyno time to boot. This is a G.M. vehicle, get over it. You have a warranty, use it. If you are going to keep the car, buy an extended one. It's that simple.
You bought a used car didn't you? What did you pay? $30something?? I'd absolutely love my car if I paid in the $30s for it. I wouldn't bend over and take it like a champ from GM like some do, but I'd feel a little better having to drop over $5K just to make it drive correctly if I bought it used.

Anyone have any experiance with the 10 bolt that went in Fbody's???? They sucked and also broke all the time. It seems like there will be some rearend solutions in the near future, get over it. If you can't afford one, go easy on the car.... that's life, or sell it.
I choose to do neither, its GMs mistakes that have caused a great concept to be less than stellar, and it'll soon be their problem...not mine. I really wish you the best, I'm actually quite jealous of your love for the V...I remember that feeling...enjoy it. Let's hope you don't wind up feeling like many of us do after a few more thousand miles, as it is not a pleasant situation.-ace
Best of luck to you.
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I never once said I loved the "V". I just know what to expect. I also know not to buy G.M. vehicles brand new. :thepan:

I'm curious, what were your previous rides?

Koooop
02-03-06, 09:11 PM
2003 Audi RS6, bright red, roof, 30,000 miles, remainder of factory warranty, "A" lane car (no wrecks). HAMMER PRICE $43,500, this week! If I didn't love this damn V so much I'd be driving that RS6 right now!

weren't those 450 HP and $85,000 base? (base sticker that is)

Boohoo, I paid $40 for an '05 V over a year ago and now it's only worth $35 :violin:

Would you like a little cheese with that whine? :cookoo:

ace996
02-03-06, 11:15 PM
I never once said I loved the "V". I just know what to expect. I also know not to buy G.M. vehicles brand new. :thepan:

I'm curious, what were your previous rides?

I still do love the V....this has been a heartbreaking experience. I'm in love with the LS6, and most of the car too, but the negatives have worn me down.

Previous rides....nothing sexy except the Ducati996.
1.Chrysler K-car wagon - first car, white exterior...red vinyl interior, Mom's hand-me-down.
2. Grand Marquis - Dad's hand-me-down - never forget going 110mph on the Taconic Parkway going to college with all my shit in there, opening the windows and popping my ears....never spilled bong water the whole ride up, either.
3. Subaru XT - manual, charcoal grey - first "new" car....demo with 10K miles....beat the living piss out of that car...spilled plenty of bong water in that. 120Kmiles later, sold it to an 18yr old who blew the tranny the next day, showing his friends how to "peel-out".
4. Jeep Wrangler Sahara, manual - still miss that, amazing vehicle.
5. Audi A4Turbo, manual - great car, with 150 more horses it would have been perfect. Started autoxing with it. Won the "Rookie" championship with that.
5b. Ducati 900SS - traded 1 yr later for next bike.
5c. Ducati 996 - Tough to describe her. Everything I could ever ask of a road-partner and more than I ever needed on the track. I hope to give this to my 2yr old son in 15 years, he should comprehend passion by then.
6. Toyota MR2 Spyder, manual - bought the car for autoxing. Won CStreet Prepared class two years and many Fastest Time of Day awards. Never touched the engine, but suspension was all upgraded....Should have seen the look on the Viper Club's faces when they had their asses handed to them by the "130hp" convertible. Was quite sad when the car went back off lease...someone got a well sorted corner-carver. ***Never had anything fail/break/clunk/squeak on that car, after 4 years of whipping its ass.
7. Honda Element, manual - the "family" vehicle, still own
8. Cadillac CTS-V -(leased) the most emotion-evoking vehicle I've owned. Toughest relationship I've ever had...love, hate, lust, you name it...Broken my heart too many times.

Never spent more than 8 days in service for any of the above vehicles. 38 days in service in 8 months for the V....service department a main component for the sour taste with the V. I hate them for that...

Next vehicle will be AWD, turbo, and a sedan.... Something that has pieces of my favorite past vehicles. I even considered a 2004 LeMans C5 Z06, as that motor will call to me until I breathe no longer, but it doesn't fit my family/work life, so it will remain a dream for a while longer...(and that car I'll deal with the issues, when they happen, local shop VetteDoctors can help with that).

Again, hope your days with the V are good ones...
-ace

moldowan
02-04-06, 03:05 AM
2003 Audi RS6, bright red, roof, 30,000 miles, remainder of factory warranty, "A" lane car (no wrecks). HAMMER PRICE $43,500, this week! If I didn't love this damn V so much I'd be driving that RS6 right now!

weren't those 450 HP and $85,000 base? (base sticker that is)

Koop where is this audi at?????
thanks,
Moldy

Koooop
02-04-06, 06:51 PM
Koop where is this audi at?????
thanks,
Moldy

Yeah! Drool, drool.

It went through an Auction in Phoenix.