: hotchkis group buy--whats the deal??...



mlg
02-01-06, 04:32 PM
patience growing thin, and i thinkl i speak for 40 others....

verbs
02-01-06, 06:20 PM
patience growing thin, and i thinkl i speak for 40 others....


Well you don't speak for me, and I think you need to relax a bit. They've been giving us updates every few days.


No need to start one of these threads every 2 days. :tisk:

thebigjimsho
02-01-06, 10:42 PM
Patience growing thin? Dude, is this Christmas for you or something?

mlg
02-02-06, 10:15 AM
yo, i just like business partners to keep their promises. ck yr posts and youll see what i mean.

homer403
02-02-06, 10:32 AM
To all,

Just so everyone knows... Hotchkis has a fix to the rear bars (search threads here)... I will be sending out an eMail this evening detailing everything. If you choose to order the bars yourself and not be patient, you will not get the group price nor the "right" bars (you will get old stock).

Derek

pimpcaddy
02-02-06, 10:50 AM
Thanks for your efforts. I will be happy to wait for the "right" set.

Dave

austin
02-02-06, 11:06 AM
>patience growing thin, and i thinkl i speak for 40 others....

:lies: Your Speaking for yourself, and not 40 others.

atdeneve
02-02-06, 11:09 AM
Though we all do certainly look forward to getting our sway bars (and perhaps some are a bit more anxious than others, <enter clear throat sounds> ehh hemm...mlg...ehh hemm), I think most everyone also understands that such deals/transactions are not immediate. Such things take at least a little bit of time. Such is the way of the world. So, just because it requires a bit of time (and a pinch of patience), it does not necessarily follow that your "business partner" won't follow through on a "promise". Let them work their magic.
Relax. Ease up. It'll all work out. It's all a part of the plan. Don't fight the Man. You are the Man. Be the Man. Embrace the Man. <---doh! edit (Omit last iteration in sequence of Man series as unintelligible)
Have faith my child. Believe. And you will see. Reverand Dr3. Out. Payce.

homer403
02-02-06, 11:13 AM
To all, to be fair... anyones who wants to bail.. just send me an eMail. Because the price right now is pretty sweet, and no, I am not going to post it here for everyone to see.. only those in the group buy will know (I think that is the fairest). If your going to bail, like I said just let me know, no hard feelings.. but i do need to know. If you get current stock, you may experience the same problems as others here have. Isn't it worth waiting a week or two for the redesign??? and for the group price???

austin
02-02-06, 11:17 AM
>Isn't it worth waiting a week or two for the redesign??? and for the group price???

I'll wait!! :)

Florian
02-02-06, 11:50 AM
As a happy Hotchkis owner (f/r sways) I called Hotchkis to see if my currently installed bars were available to be swapped for the redesigned bars. Hotchkis says that there is no redesign on the bars and that they have plenty of bars in stock. Not to stick my nose in here, but I was concerned about my set. FWIW


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Staxxin
02-02-06, 12:17 PM
Does anyone know what the fault is with the existing bars?

50 4Ever
02-02-06, 12:44 PM
Does anyone know what the fault is with the existing bars?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a186/504ever/lurk5.gif

Florian
02-02-06, 01:53 PM
apparantly nothing.....


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BowenCT
02-02-06, 05:13 PM
Because the price right now is pretty sweet, and no, I am not going to post it here for everyone to see.. only those in the group buy will know................

What, are you guys like some secret club? Post the price man! I want to see what all of your efforts got for you and everyone else you got to come aboard. I mean c'mon, afterall, we've had to endure like a gazillion posts on this topic alone.....

51PHFTY
02-02-06, 05:51 PM
As a happy Hotchkis owner (f/r sways) I called Hotchkis to see if my currently installed bars were available to be swapped for the redesigned bars. Hotchkis says that there is no redesign on the bars and that they have plenty of bars in stock. Not to stick my nose in here, but I was concerned about my set. FWIW


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Thanks for doing the legwork for us who already installed them Florian - I just put mine on last weekend and was going to call myself to see if I had to send them back. FWIW - They do make a difference.

Marty

Florian
02-02-06, 05:55 PM
no worries....


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BadCad
02-02-06, 06:08 PM
What, are you guys like some secret club? Post the price man!
Post the price info and you may get more to sign up for the group buy. Some here are new to this post. 'Twas my understanding this site is for all V enthusiasts, not some secret club or select members .... :bigroll:

LV_V
02-02-06, 07:06 PM
FYI - Even those that are "in" the group buy don't even know the price yet. Ridiculous if you ask me. I appreciate all the leg work people have put in, but nothing has come of it yet... (If I am incorrect please correct me)

heavymetals
02-02-06, 07:15 PM
As of yet, no money has changed hands.

Some people need to CHILL OUT.

Typical of V owners.

Instant gratification isn't fast enough.:histeric:

By the way, no one speaks for me either.

Mat347
02-02-06, 07:27 PM
What, are you guys like some secret club? Post the price man! I want to see what all of your efforts got for you and everyone else you got to come aboard. I mean c'mon, afterall, we've had to endure like a gazillion posts on this topic alone.....

He was wanting to keep the "bailing out" under covers, not the group buy or price.

I'm on the list and have not gotten a set price. But I agree, some people need to relax and let things come at their own pace. Patience is a good thing!

Dreamin
02-02-06, 07:40 PM
Homer... what is the fix for the rear bar you are referring to??

homer403
02-02-06, 08:55 PM
To all in the group buy.. CHECK YOUR EMAIL!

Derek

lasstss
02-02-06, 09:16 PM
Homer... what is the fix for the rear bar you are referring to??

They snap at the bend. Hollow bars have a torsion limit. Evidently, they were not formed properly.

Florian
02-02-06, 10:31 PM
Negative, Hotchkis has reported NONE have come back. This comes from Hotchkis, not heresay. There is something going on here that isnt kosher...and frankly its starting to get a bit funky....


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homer403
02-02-06, 10:39 PM
Florian, unlike GM (ok, cheap shot), Horchkis will stand by their product...period :thumbsup: . You have no worries.

Homer

Florian
02-02-06, 10:59 PM
Excellent news, Homer! I, too, believe that Hotchkis is stand up. I had their bars on my Camaro's. They are a great company.


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ahahnu
02-02-06, 11:14 PM
I am in no rush. Anyone can have theirs in front of me if it will keep everyone's shirt on. (ladies need not apply- remove away)

austin
02-02-06, 11:24 PM
Derek,

I saw the note about credit cards..... How about paypal then?

Thanks,

mlg
02-03-06, 10:52 AM
blah blah blah, we have $, hotchkis has bars??? beginning to wonder, lets do business. this is not rocket science or an order for 40 gross, just 40 sets of bars!!!!!

verbs
02-03-06, 12:53 PM
blah blah blah, we have $, hotchkis has bars??? beginning to wonder, lets do business. this is not rocket science or an order for 40 gross, just 40 sets of bars!!!!!

Since your reading comprehension is sub-par, I will try to explain it better for you.

Hotchkis has sway bars for CTS-Vs in stock, but those have a known defect. You want sway bars now you do not get GP pricing, and you get defective sway bars that are in stock. Otherwise, you go take a chill pill, you wait for the retooling of the machines that make the bars, and we get bars that will not break and we will get them at the GP price.

If you can't wait any longer, then be my guest, drop out of the GP and go buy yourself some defects sway bars.

Luna.
02-03-06, 12:56 PM
I don't care when they come in (as long as I'm not waiting a truly UNREASONABLE amount of time), but what is the deal about this defect?

Florian is claiming there is no defect whatsoever, but others claim there is.

Like I said, I'm in no rush, but this "defect" thing has me raising my eyebrow.

Dreamin
02-03-06, 01:52 PM
They snap at the bend. Hollow bars have a torsion limit. Evidently, they were not formed properly.

drop out of the GP and go buy yourself some defects sway bars.

So this mean that everyone who bought a set in the last 4 months has DEFECTIVE BARS??

Screw this... i'm returning my bars to Hotchkis... if my rear bar breaks at speed on track... they'll be scraping my body off a concrete wall.

urbanski
02-03-06, 02:07 PM
To all, to be fair... anyones who wants to bail.. just send me an eMail. Because the price right now is pretty sweet, and no, I am not going to post it here for everyone to see.. only those in the group buy will know (I think that is the fairest). If your going to bail, like I said just let me know, no hard feelings.. but i do need to know. If you get current stock, you may experience the same problems as others here have. Isn't it worth waiting a week or two for the redesign??? and for the group price???
i vaguely remember your PM

did we get a supporting vendor yet? (or is it in the works?)
thanks

onephatguy
02-03-06, 02:15 PM
I noticed the bickering about what may or may not be a good group buy deal. Also, the information on whether the old stock is defective or not. I am just suggesting that each of you interested in the Hotchkis, contact them yourself. It is as easy as a phone call or email. Wouldn't you want to be sure of the information you receive? Just my 2 cents.:lildevil:

Florian
02-03-06, 02:18 PM
Since your reading comprehension is sub-par, I will try to explain it better for you.

Hotchkis has sway bars for CTS-Vs in stock, but those have a known defect. You want sway bars now you do not get GP pricing, and you get defective sway bars that are in stock. Otherwise, you go take a chill pill, you wait for the retooling of the machines that make the bars, and we get bars that will not break and we will get them at the GP price.

If you can't wait any longer, then be my guest, drop out of the GP and go buy yourself some defects sway bars.

WAIT A MINUTE......I spoke DIRECTLY with Hotchkis yesterday and, as a recent buyer/installer of their product, asked them if there was any issue with defects/redesigns in the CTS-V swaybar set. They said absolutely not and there have been no instances of failures brought to their attention either. It was also mentioned that there were no pending GB's associated with authorized Hotchkis retaillers. Something smells here.....


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urbanski
02-03-06, 02:22 PM
I noticed the bickering about what may or may not be a good group buy deal. Also, the information on whether the old stock is defective or not. I am just suggesting that each of you interested in the Hotchkis, contact them yourself. It is as easy as a phone call or email. Wouldn't you want to be sure of the information you receive? Just my 2 cents.:lildevil:
merged. didn't really need a new therad.

Florian
02-03-06, 02:23 PM
Spoke with Mark Rossetti again today....NO ISSUES WITH QUALITY, BARS IN STOCK, NO DEFECTS. PERIOD. Now....for those us with em already on the V's and for those about to join the Hotchkis SB club, NO WORRIES!


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mlg
02-03-06, 02:27 PM
good point florian ,if my sub par comprehension ability allows me to comment to such arrogant persons, perhaps hotchkis needs to come clean and admit there is a problem. i would respect that and their customers deserve it. what time frame are we talking?? price?? too many ifs deal going sour fasssttttt

Luna.
02-03-06, 02:54 PM
mlg--chill. We'll get the stupid bars soon enough.

Someone just needs to explain this "defect" thing. If it was a mistake, then say so and let's move on. Otherwise, let's discuss what the problem is.

Florian
02-03-06, 03:45 PM
There was NO defect, there WAS a retooling of the machinery that bends the bars. The machine was down for a few days for the retool (not related to the actual bar bending portion, more likely the controls/hydraulics thereto) and THAT was the issue. This comes DIRECTLY from Hotchkis.
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ahahnu
02-03-06, 03:59 PM
Doesn't Gm acknowledge the rear is fixed?

Florian
02-03-06, 04:07 PM
what>? ahahnu... never mind


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Luna.
02-03-06, 04:45 PM
There was NO defect, there WAS a retooling of the machinery that bends the bars. The machine was down for a few days for the retool (not related to the actual bar bending portion, more likely the controls/hydraulics thereto) and THAT was the issue. This comes DIRECTLY from Hotchkis.
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Doesn't sound like there is much of an issue then.

Let's keep moving forward on the GP

oneradcts
02-03-06, 04:57 PM
I spoke with Hotchkis Performance and there is absolutely no issue with the sway bars. Hotchkis believes that the rumor was started by someone misinterpriting a back order status. There was a change to the equipment used in manufacturing the bars but will not affect bar design at all. I have had the bars on my car since they have been released with no problem. I am here to kill the rumor that there is any issue with these bars except great improvement over factory.

Florian
02-03-06, 05:18 PM
:yeah: wow, I wish I would have thought of that......


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thebigjimsho
02-03-06, 11:39 PM
It's been over 10 hours since mlg took his latest nutty. Wonder when the next one is?:bighead:

VELOSE
02-04-06, 12:10 AM
I better get in before mlg errupts. :D

Anyhow, looks like Dreamin and I will be some of the few guinea pigs to test Hotchkis sways at the next track event. We'll tell you if they snap or not. However, my next track event will be in April. Will you guys have your sways by then?

mlg
02-04-06, 12:11 AM
thanx , you reminded me to chime in. drove a 300 srt8 today. they say it has 425/420 but i wonder where theyre hiding it. car was ok but if u like a v u will hate it. no soul and certainly not a drivers car. no worry , just a cruiser. btw , ive driver LOTS of cars.

50 4Ever
02-04-06, 03:22 AM
I better get in before mlg errupts. :D

Anyhow, looks like Dreamin and I will be some of the few guinea pigs to test Hotchkis sways at the next track event. We'll tell you if they snap or not. However, my next track event will be in April. Will you guys have your sways by then?

Which track event are you going to in April?

VELOSE
02-04-06, 11:59 AM
Thunderhill Raceway with www.unlimitedlaps.com in April.

mlg
02-06-06, 01:55 PM
zuba bowl is over , lets git er dune . update please.....

dannystang
02-07-06, 08:14 PM
bumpage..as my email hasnt been working great...

Just let me know if I HAVENT missed anything otherwise ill asume were still working on it.

DeputyDog
02-07-06, 08:47 PM
Dannystang

I got an email yesterday from homer telling us he would send an email to all late last night about the details, but so far no email.

SoCadillac
02-07-06, 10:13 PM
I don't care when they come in (as long as I'm not waiting a truly UNREASONABLE amount of time), but what is the deal about this defect?

Florian is claiming there is no defect whatsoever, but others claim there is.

Like I said, I'm in no rush, but this "defect" thing has me raising my eyebrow.
There was this from the regular CTS Hotchkis sway bars:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62072&highlight=hotchkis

Pictures: http://www.cadillacforums.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/5244/size/big

SoCadillac
02-08-06, 12:38 PM
Hey, can we "lowly" CTS guys get in on this deal? I like the grease fitting bushing that Hotchkis has on their setup.

mlg
02-08-06, 06:23 PM
just ordered the bars thru rj/vivid racing. estimated delivery time is 3 to 4 WEEEEEKS> i may not make it , borrowed a tq wrwnch from a freind oh wellll..

pimpcaddy
02-08-06, 06:38 PM
Derek,

Thanks for coordinating this group buy. I owe you a beer.

Dave

DILLIGAF
02-08-06, 07:28 PM
Ordered,Derek Rocks!I can wait a couple more days

ahahnu
02-08-06, 08:32 PM
I don't want to be the guy... but I'm gonna be. What's the deal? All of a sudden buy them from this third party that I've never herd from. What happened to Hotchkis? I thought we were getting the bars from them for cheaper. Would that of happened? You (homer) seemed to know all of a sudden then nothing. Was it the person talking about breakage? Are the new bars the retooled set or the first design? I can wait. Its winter. This is supposed to be the time to fix your car not rush and pay more.

SoCadillac
02-08-06, 09:38 PM
I don't want to be the guy... but I'm gonna be. What's the deal?
The deal is very good deal, the price is not stated here in print for good reason (as not to piss off others). Take advantage of it while you can if you are interested in getting Hotchkis. Thanks very much to those who put this together!

dannystang
02-09-06, 09:34 AM
Umm...Ok ordering today

But im confused as it didnt look like it was a group thing through method
#2

You guys know what I mean...

Either way thanks again putting in order this afternoon

ahahnu
02-09-06, 09:40 AM
Yeah I want it tobe as chep as possible. I'm not asking what that is, I'm asking why the sudden change? I mean a week ago there was an email about tonight is the night the "email" was gonna go out, then nothing now this. Don't get me wrong, Derek Thank you very much for all your efforts. I just want to know whats going on. I mean there was an email with pics, Im a little nervous, it said don't post anything. Then people post questions and speculation starts, its like "I ain't one to gossip, so you ain't herd it from me." I just want to know whats going on.

Florian
02-09-06, 09:42 AM
...still smells funky. 3rd party deals can be well, uh, nevermind.


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ahahnu
02-09-06, 09:46 AM
Exactly. Thanks Florian. Just doesn't sound right. I don't know the situation, and it may be fine. I just want to know. I'm making it sound like thousands instead of hundreds, but it is still $$!

Florian
02-09-06, 09:50 AM
It could be 50 cents, but it still stinks.....The whole "hiding the cost" because they dont want to piss people off that bought em previously holds no water. If you get a better deal, good for you, but fess up. When I spoke with Hotchkis, they were aware of the group buy, but it wasnt from an authorized Hotchkis retailler...that in and of itself scared me away. I got mine through T Byrne, no issues, they were drop shipped directly from Hotchkis. You may want to ask if that is being done in this case.
<robots arms flailing> Danger Will Robinson!!!!!

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heavymetals
02-09-06, 01:07 PM
Ordered mine.

r_casino
02-09-06, 02:35 PM
This is the strangest and most mysterious group buy ever.

I'm afraid to even ask how to get in on the deal.

dannystang
02-09-06, 02:45 PM
It could be 50 cents, but it still stinks.....The whole "hiding the cost" because they dont want to piss people off that bought em previously holds no water. If you get a better deal, good for you, but fess up. When I spoke with Hotchkis, they were aware of the group buy, but it wasnt from an authorized Hotchkis retailler...that in and of itself scared me away. I got mine through T Byrne, no issues, they were drop shipped directly from Hotchkis. You may want to ask if that is being done in this case.
<robots arms flailing> Danger Will Robinson!!!!!

F

Stop being jealous, we can still do other group activities baby.:rant2:

Florian
02-09-06, 02:52 PM
Stop being jealous, we can still do other group activities baby.:rant2:
As long as I am pitcher....catching hurts too much....more balls around me than Johnny Bench


As for the Bars, mine are already on my V...not jealous, I got in on the first GB. The current GB just makes me a bit leary, no stated pricing, all deals done by PM or e-mail. Just makes me a bit skeptical. I got mine, they came as advertised, the price and delivery were set and public knowledge..no worries, I paid less than 300 bux for everything, and Im happy as a clam.

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heavymetals
02-09-06, 02:58 PM
I was going to bail if it required money up front, wasn't an established business, blah blah blah.


They took my credit card, so I am "fraud protected" and that is enough for me.:thumbsup:

I AM IN MOD HELL

BowenCT
02-09-06, 03:27 PM
As for the Bars, mine are already on my V...not jealous, I got in on the first GB. The current GB just makes me a bit leary, no stated pricing, all deals done by PM or e-mail. Just makes me a bit skeptical. I got mine, they came as advertised, the price and delivery were set and public knowledge..no worries, I paid less than 300 bux for everything, and Im happy as a clam.

F

Exactly! (except mine aren't installed yet)

So who's brave enough to cross the line and post the price!? C'mon someone wants to be 'that guy'..........

VELOSE
02-09-06, 04:37 PM
You guys are woosies. You won't post the price. I dare you.....I double dare you. :D

thebigjimsho
02-09-06, 05:34 PM
ugh, skip to below.

thebigjimsho
02-09-06, 05:37 PM
I'm not tellin'. That's like jumping from 15 to 20 without consulting the middle...multiplied.

ahahnu
02-09-06, 06:24 PM
I triple dog dare you, oh wait Im one of the ones that knows.:canttalk:

LV_V
02-09-06, 07:41 PM
Its $XXX + shipping.

austin
02-09-06, 07:58 PM
Just ordered,

Very friendly, Was told it was going to be fresh stock...

Can't wait to put these puppy's on..

Thanks, Derek!! :)

DILLIGAF
02-09-06, 08:05 PM
I know too.And i'm not telling.I can say this,I've spent more on a lap dance,with happy ending.

Florian
02-09-06, 08:52 PM
I know too.And i'm not telling.I can say this,I've spent more on a lap dance,with happy ending.

I know, I couldnt believe that Dannystang was that low cost. I spent a good 5 bux on 4 songs!


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Staxxin
02-09-06, 10:21 PM
Just ordered,

Very friendly, Was told it was going to be fresh stock...

Can't wait to put these puppy's on..

Thanks, Derek!! :)

They told me the same - 3-4 weeks for delivery!

austin
02-09-06, 10:30 PM
>3-4 weeks for delivery!

Yup.... me too.... fresh stock, i'll wait!!!

dannystang
02-10-06, 12:44 AM
think I was number 15 in que...

Hopefully everyone will call in soon, the guy I spoke to seemed real professional for a young guy (kept calling me dude)

Slotted Rotors next please :)

verbs
02-10-06, 12:51 AM
I don't want to be the guy... but I'm gonna be. What's the deal? All of a sudden buy them from this third party that I've never herd from. What happened to Hotchkis? I thought we were getting the bars from them for cheaper. Would that of happened? You (homer) seemed to know all of a sudden then nothing. Was it the person talking about breakage? Are the new bars the retooled set or the first design? I can wait. Its winter. This is supposed to be the time to fix your car not rush and pay more.


The company we're now getting the bars from has been around for years. I wouldn't worry about buying from them. They're about 45 minutes away from me, and are known for having some of the best prices around. More of a ricer shop though :duck:

LV_V
02-10-06, 05:33 AM
Think I can buy them in person and pick them up in my V and save shipping costs?

twinsberry
02-10-06, 02:33 PM
Ordered mine this morning. I don't have any reason to be concerned h#ll I bought my V off ebay.

VELOSE
02-10-06, 03:24 PM
If the deal is so good, I'm just going to get in on the GB to find out your price and when I get them, sell them and make a profit. :D

ahahnu
02-10-06, 04:18 PM
[QUOTE][Ordered mine this morning. I don't have any reason to be concerned h#ll I bought my V off ebay./QUOTE]

Damn thats crazy. I just bought my first thing off there this week.

verbs
02-10-06, 04:30 PM
Think I can buy them in person and pick them up in my V and save shipping costs?I will be picking mine up, but I got nailed with Sales tax since my billing addy was in state.

thebigjimsho
02-10-06, 07:46 PM
ahem..cough...cough
I'm not tellin'. That's like jumping from 15 to 20 without consulting the middle...multiplied.

dannystang
02-10-06, 08:46 PM
ahem..cough...cough

omg I just got it.

Thanks jeanius

Took an entire day

twinsberry
02-12-06, 10:31 AM
I almost bought new for 48K, then found a 05 for 37K, Cadillac honors warranty and the deal was sweet. Plus have a new diff, living close to lindsay.


[quote][Ordered mine this morning. I don't have any reason to be concerned h#ll I bought my V off ebay./QUOTE]

Damn thats crazy. I just bought my first thing off there this week.