Pete has crossed his heart and hopes to die about this new date announcement. I think most of you have figured out Pete is a "Hands On" type of Guy. He'd much rather be in the shop than in the office. Here's the information he gave me.

50% deposit invoices will be emailed to each recipient by Saturday January 21, 2006.

Deposit amount will be $850.00 by either check, money order or Paypal. Paypal Credit Card payments will carry a 2.9% surcharge on the remaining 50% balance when the headers are ready to ship. They will actually be ready before most people realize as fabrication has already begun!

Hey Bobby can I borrow like 2300 bux? LOL- almost to 50!

Hey Bobby can I borrow like 2300 bux? LOL- almost to 50!

Nick I think you've been warned several times that these mods are addictive and uncontrollable. I can't believe I'm dumping so much $$ into my CTS. The upside is that I'm loving it. My wife is another issue!:D

fabrication has already begun!
Awesome...simply awesome!

Yeah you aint kiddin. I havent done any mods yet since I been payin off my 3500 bux of CC debt. I only got 1000 left to pay off and thats interest free until september so i figure its time to mod! Im planning to have intake and custom exhaust within the next month!

Awesome...simply awesome!

Quit jumping line PJ:D Patience. You gonna look up SDM for a rematch?

Quit jumping line PJ:D Patience. You gonna look up SDM for a rematch?
I should huh? and also see how the V-exhaust and Magnaflow stacks up against his Corsa....should be fun!!

I should huh? and also see how the V-exhaust and Magnaflow stacks up against his Corsa....should be fun!!

Can't wait for the rematch. The last race was a good read!:p

What the hell happened to SDM, I havent seen him on the site in a long time?? Is he back on active duty?

What the hell happened to SDM, I havent seen him on the site in a long time?? Is he back on active duty?

He popped in about a week ago. He wrecked his ride. ruined his tires, rims and suspension parts.

He in special training now to become a Marine Recruiter.

He just got a set of big brakes from a SEMA Show car. (Gotta be CMS)

He crashed the CTS, damn that sucks hard... He put a lot of money and work in that car.

What the hell happened to SDM, I havent seen him on the site in a long time?? Is he back on active duty?
I spoke to him yesterday...he's cool...I think he's busy with some kind of new training with the Marines..he's still in San Diego

He crashed the CTS, damn that sucks hard... He put a lot of money and work in that car.
His CTS is all good though...I think the only damage was actually to his wheels and y'all know hte Marine, he was not keeping his current wheels for too long anyway..I heard him mention something about a 3 -piece whell...what is that?

3 piece rims are made from 3 separate peices and welded together. Were a lot of rims are forged from one solid piece of mental. 3 piece rims are usually more expensive but much lighter and just as strong if not stronger the single piece forged rims.

(I'm not 100% sure on this though)

you know, i went to the cadillac classifieds we have no at the top of our forum...his car is in there...

hmmmm.....whats up with that?

i'm confused about the paypal credit card thing...paypal gives a credit card? i usually just transfer funds through them. if you transfer funds you don't get the 2.9 right?

Figured it out from another post...

Well, I have my money transferred into my account, so Pete better get those invoices out. I'm glad to hear production has started though, thats good news.

hopefully we (the 3.2 misfits) get ours at the same time the 3.6'ers get theirs...

you know, i went to the cadillac classifieds we have no at the top of our forum...his car is in there...

hmmmm.....whats up with that?

i'm confused about the paypal credit card thing...paypal gives a credit card? i usually just transfer funds through them. if you transfer funds you don't get the 2.9 right?

Paypal charges the vendor a pretty hefty fee. On Ebay some sellers refuse to use it. If you go that way Pete's passing along the axtra cost. I'm sending a personal check myself. As slow as this is going the check will have cleared.

Well, I have my money transferred into my account, so Pete better get those invoices out. I'm glad to hear production has started though, thats good news.

I can tell you for a fact that production has begun on the 3.6. Not sure on the 3.2 as it had to be designed from the bottom up.

All group buyers on the 3.6 CTS Hugger Headers will be invoiced by Saturday January 21, 2006. Fabrication of these 3.6 headers has already begun.

The flange heads have been plasma cut and the mandrel tubes have been bent. Still much more fabrication; but the fabrication process has begun as this will be a "standing inventory product".

Upon receipt of your invoice for your 3.6 Header Package; your $850 deposit will be due and payable

We possess all of the original CAD/CAM programs, original drawings and jigs for the manufacturing of this CTS 3.6header and are the sole and exclusive distributor of such and own all proprietary manufacturing and distribution rights.

The 3.2 Headers are an entirely newly "engineered header" with the same stepped header flow characteristics of the 3.6 Header.

However, the 3.2 platform utilizes a different exhaust plenum and as stated by Robert; they must be literally engineered from the bottom up; resulting in many modifications to the final jig that is required to complete a finished product.

The 3.2 Header also must be tested extensively to insure that it meets the same standards as the 3.6 Header before we will release it for sale and installation.

Front end "hard cost" to produce the very first set of "workable" 3.2 custom headers is approximately $6000 in direct material and overhead to produce a custom built 3.2 header for $1695.00

We are committed to producing this 3.2 Header package and estimate that at best; the 3.2 Header will be "break-even" given the high number of orders.

Therefore; 3.2 buyers have more latitude in remitting their deposits due to the ongoing R&D build for this particular platform.

3.2 owners will be invoiced for their purchase, but we are requesting that you DO NOT remit your deposit until we have a workable prototype of this 3.2 Header.

Again; I will repeat....3.2 owners will be invoiced for their Group Buy Purchase, but DO NOT remit your deposit until we have a workable prototype.

Once we have a workable prototype of a finished 3.2 Header; you will already have your invoice in hand and will be notified by email that it is now time to remit your deposit before we go to custom fabrication on each of your individual 3.2 Header Orders.

If there is something that you are not sure of or do not understand; please email us directly at:

sales@cadillacmotorsports.com

Therefore; all invoices will be emailed by January 21, 2006 to all 3.6 and 3.2 Group Buyers.

All CTS 3.6 Buyers are required to remit there $850 deposit upon receipt of invoice.

All CTS 3.2 Buyers will also receive their invoice and are specifically instructed to NOT REMIT there deposit until advised by email that the final prototype is finished and ready for production.

At that time; you will be advised by email to get your invoice and then remit your $850 deposit.

We DO NOT want to have custody of anyone's deposit funds until we have a finished and tested 3.2 Header product in hand. And that process has begun on our end.

Again....if you have are a 3.2 owner and you have any questions; please email us directly at:

sales@cadillacmotorsports.com

Please DO NOT make any product inquiries via the Forum as they are often not viewed.


On a side note; I often wonder whatever happened to those CTS owners that bought those centrifugal superchargers from Vendors that were not properly tested. Not a single Vendor that had previously sold a CTS supercharger; no longer offers that product because they later found out that the Bosch ECU could not be reflashed and their attempt to "piggyback" the ECU proved later to be a failure.

Some 3.2 owners spent almost $8000 for those superchargers and now have an $8000 "boat-anchor".

We won't do that to you or to anyone. No product ever leaves our facility unless it has been properly engineerd and tested and we can "insure" it's engineering integrity as designed.

Again; I really do often wonder what ever became of those 3.2 owners that bought those expensive centrifugal superchargers that later proved to be not operational with the Bosch 32 bit ECU? If anyone knows of anyone that purchased one of those centrifugal superchargers that later proved to be not operational; I would appreciate a personal PM or email!

Sounds great Pete!

Has anyone received their invoices yet? I got a little impatient and went ahead and mailed mine in.

I got an email from Pete, not sure it really counts as an "invoice" but he explained a lot of things to me.

I got an email from Pete, not sure it really counts as an "invoice" but he explained a lot of things to me.

Did he give you a lot of hype on his 3.2 Huggers? He's excited to be the only company to offer headers for the 3.2.

I sent him an e-mail to remind him of the Invoice promise date. Pete's actually started building the headers. He seems to enjoy the manufacturing part more than getting his money.

i didn't receive any invoice from him. i don't want to be a squeeky wheel here, so i figured i would just hang out. i'm sure he has his -ish together. he did say that the 3.6 and 3.2 invoices would be mailed on the same day, the 3.2 people would just refrain from sending their payment...

Yes Robert, he hyped up the headers for the 3.2L, but that is understandable. I'm as excited about them as he is.

I wonder if I will have the money by the time the 3.2 set is ready. I just made a killing on e-bay today so its very possible! Ill have to e-mail pete!

you didn't turn a profit on the k&n i just sold you before you even got it did you?

kidding...by the way, i didn't mail it yet, but i got it out, went through the parts, and selaed it up. i was really busy yesterday evening.

Has anyone received their invoices yet? I got a little impatient and went ahead and mailed mine in.
I got my invoice - just as Pete said....Sent in my payment also....:burn:If y'all want I could scan it and post it on the forum...lol

I got my invoice - just as Pete said....Sent in my payment also....:burn:If y'all want I could scan it and post it on the forum...lol

When did you receive it? Was it by e-mail?

I wonder if I will have the money by the time the 3.2 set is ready. I just made a killing on e-bay today so its very possible! Ill have to e-mail pete!

If you're really interested, I'd e-mail him right away.

When did you receive it? Was it by e-mail?
By e-mail, on Sunday 1/22/06

you didn't turn a profit on the k&n i just sold you before you even got it did you?

kidding...by the way, i didn't mail it yet, but i got it out, went through the parts, and selaed it up. i was really busy yesterday evening.

Heh, no problem bro!

FOR THE 3.2 OWNERS:
pete said that the invoices were created for the 3.2L cars, but not shipped. he already had 1 person send the deposit even after explicitly asking that deposits be REFRAINED until the bench testing etc. is complete. he will send the invoices soon, with a special message to NOT send the deposit, as initial testing for fitments and proper scavenging is finished.

he also made the point that we weren't being over looked, even since the spoiled 3.6L people's headers are already being fabricated...

:helpless:

Thats what he told me, to just be patient and he'll let us know when to send in the money. I can't wait though, its going to be worth the money.

How do you guys plan on having them installed? Anyone got any installation estimates yet? I'm guessing 4 hours at $70/hr:hmm:

i mentioned before, i think it's going to be like 4-6 hours. place i know here said they'd do it for 45/hour. should save me some bucks...

I will be taking it up to this place in Gainsville, its like a 2-3 hours drive, but the guy is a rep for Dynatech. He installed the headers/cats on my dad's 300C and did an excellent job. But he charges I believe $60 an hour, but I'll pay the extra because I know he knows what he is doing.

I will be taking it up to this place in Gainsville, its like a 2-3 hours drive, but the guy is a rep for Dynatech. He installed the headers/cats on my dad's 300C and did an excellent job. But he charges I believe $60 an hour, but I'll pay the extra because I know he knows what he is doing.

Hmmm..Gainsville FL. Home I think of Eckler Corvette supplies.
$60/hr is reasonable for top quality service. My Dealer get $70/hr. I'd do it to if weren't such a long ride.

i mentioned before, i think it's going to be like 4-6 hours. place i know here said they'd do it for 45/hour. should save me some bucks...

I'm about an hour away from you. Hook me up with your guy. Maybe he can give even more of a price break if you guarantee him two header installs.

Hmmm..Gainsville FL. Home I think of Eckler Corvette supplies.
$60/hr is reasonable for top quality service. My Dealer get $70/hr. I'd do it to if weren't such a long ride.

Gainsville, GA, not Florida. Its up near Atlanta.

I'm about an hour away from you. Hook me up with your guy. Maybe he can give even more of a price break if you guarantee him two header installs.

Diamond Fabrication

chances are you won't find him online. he's a younger guy that my cousin worked with. back when all this was going down i asked him about doing the install and he said no problem. hopefully he's right. i would hate to have you get work done there and something unexpected happen. i have his number or something around.

i think 45 an hour is quite a deal, hopefully he sticks with that. if not, then i'd say we've got 2 rollin in, so how about a deal...

Hmmm..Gainsville FL. Home I think of Eckler Corvette supplies.
$60/hr is reasonable for top quality service. My Dealer get $70/hr. I'd do it to if weren't such a long ride.

Bob, Ecklers is in Titusville - the showroom is a bit disappointing. Good luck with those headers and I am sure you all will enjoy them.

I wonder how many of those Huggers Pete may have fabricated by now. Anybody receive theirs yet?:hmm:

Nothing yet.

i haven't even received an invoice yet. but, talking to him prior to this he made it sound like he was going to withhold 3.2 invoices because people would still send half the deposit and not wait. i wonder how fabrication is going on them. i'm jealous of you 3.6 people...

Pete's been rather quiet lately about his huggers. He's been promoting his Big Brakes. I would like to think someone will be receiving some Huggers soon.

who ever receives the headers first pop me an email of message. i want tonnes of pics and results.

hey if the product lives up to what is promised and is a totally new thing I will be the FIRST to put my foot on my mouth and write an article about them.


-K

who ever receives the headers first pop me an email of message. i want tonnes of pics and results.

hey if the product lives up to what is promised and is a totally new thing I will be the FIRST to put my foot on my mouth and write an article about them.


-K

SD Marine already did that. 305HP and with pics. It included Corsa, X-pipe, magnaflow and Volant

no robert, i meant the NEW headers,

if you look closely at those pics you can see the word "LUND" on the join plate of the tubes.

no robert, i meant the NEW headers,

if you look closely at those pics you can see the word "LUND" on the join plate of the tubes.

Those are the new design. Pete had Lund parts(pieces), modified them and processed them to his latest specs. Some of the first few sets will have the Lund name stamped on them.:yup:

I've been having some e-mail exchanges with Pete at CMS about his progress as it applies to our 3.2 Hugger buyers. He is making progress and here's a clip of what he had to say.:)

"The 3.2 Header deck flanges have all been cut on a water jet and are port matched so that portion is complete. The high flow cats are made by Bassani as they are on the 3.6 Headers. The 3 into 1 jet cone wit collector is of a proprietary design as it is on the 3.6 headers. Challenges now are creating the "perfect jig" for the mandrel bends on each T304 stainless steel exhaust tube that is welded to the 3.2 header flanges and into the collector cone and still maintain the same exhaust flow scavenging properties as the 3.6 configuration.

That means building a complete set of 3.2 Headers and then pressure testing them for leaks, doing a complete installation as well as measuring cylinder head pressure for any type of back-pressure issues and then running a dyno test to see where the RWHP and torque numbers end up. This is a very time consuming and labor intensive process and it could be two months before "it's perfect" given the fact that you have to build a complete set of headers from scratch before you can actually test them.

Irregardless; We are committed to the 3.2 Header project as there are allot of 3.2 owners out there that have "zero options" in the aftermarket world of performance accessories. No other manufacturers are willing to develop products as they see the 3.2 CTS market as being very limited. And a limited market usually means higher production costs as it does here and few manufacturers if any are willing to spend there R&D money on developing a product that may later prove to be unsellable due to cost and a limited number of buyers.

Anyway, your patience is always appreciated as this R&D process unfolds and in the end we will have a 3.2 CTS Stepped Hugger Header for you that we as a company are proud of and we can stand behind unconditionally. Once we are satisfied with the final product; each of you will be invoiced for your 50% original deposit and then of course the balance will be due prior to shipping. We just did not think that it would be fair to our 3.2 customers to collect and retain a 50% deposit on a Header product that is still in development. It is our job as a manufacturer to absorb those upfront R&D costs of these new 3.2 headers and until we have a final product ready for manufacturing and delivery; your deposit money is better off in your bank account than ours!

Other performance products for both the 3.6 and 3.2 are in the pipeline and our new CTS website will feature them all once our website is ready for launch.

best regards & safe motoring as always Bob:
Pete Raimondi
Cadillac MotorSports, Ltd.

Great news! I want these headers more everytime I get an update about them. It makes me sad that I need to upgrade my CTS next Feb. I'll only get one season to enjoy them...

the real questions is...do you sell your car with the headers or try to get some money for them and sell your car with the old headers? you could probably recoup 600-1000 for the headers and cats if you sold them to a willing 3.2 owner. with the car, likely you won't get anything...

i'm way pumped about these too...

the real questions is...do you sell your car with the headers or try to get some money for them and sell your car with the old headers? you could probably recoup 600-1000 for the headers and cats if you sold them to a willing 3.2 owner. with the car, likely you won't get anything...

i'm way pumped about these too...

I'm probably going to sell them with the car since swapping them back out would cost a few hundred dollars in labor. It's just not worth it.

I'm probably going to sell them with the car since swapping them back out would cost a few hundred dollars in labor. It's just not worth it.

I AGREE. IT'S A TOUGH JOB!

Hmm..ok, after a few months with my CTS, I want these Headers you guys speak of. Being that I have a 3.2, it shouldn't be too late, should it? Do I just e-mail Pete?

And what kind of shop would I go to for installation?

i would definitely e-mail pete as soon as you can. since fabriction has just begun you might be able to sneak in there for the 3.2. i would take it to any trusted shop in your area. i have NO idea if the dealer does this sort of thing, but they might reeeaaally bitch about it and the warranty. an exhaust place should be more than qualified to install headers. the install is lengthy, and it will cost you...unfortunately. count on a 6 hour install...roughly.

Hmm..ok, after a few months with my CTS, I want these Headers you guys speak of. Being that I have a 3.2, it shouldn't be too late, should it? Do I just e-mail Pete?

And what kind of shop would I go to for installation?

I am in the process of gathering names and e-mail addresses to lean on Pete.
I already have two. If interested send me a PM or e-mail Rmarti12@columbus.rr.com