That,s my main Question. I have to, because I hate it!:rant2: :want:

Any Suggestions???????????????:cool:

BMR, Specter Works bushings, non F1 tires.

Other than that, the only other thing is to let off that floor pedal on the right hand side a little ;)

KARS KIT, look it up on the search

check the kars performance kit. home made is always the best medicine.

Quit trying to use the car as a drag racer. It is not intended to be driven that way. Or, you can replace the tires with ones that have no traction but will spin really easily. Of course, with little traction, you might lose a few stop light races, but think of all the "fun" you will have with the smoke and noise.

You don't have to be drag racing to get the hop

Adding the BMR kit and ditching the F1s' makes a difference, but it's not enough.

I've heard the Hotchkis Sway Bars improve the situation too, and thinking from an engineering standpoint, I'm inclined to believe it's possible. (ANYONE, ANYONE, ANYONE............. ? ? ? )

BTW: I'm with you on this. I absolutely HATE the wheel hop. Half of my "encounters" with other drivers that want a piece of the V are at the lights, and I'm not going to turn up my nose and let them go just because some people think "drag racing" is a lower form of fun.

Some say it has been lessened on the 06 and i can verify that there is very very slight hop, not annoying IMO. It may be the harder tires they put on the 06's or different bushing. Dont ask a dealer as they are so out to lunch no matter who you call in ATL regarding the V.

Buy a Dodge Charger..

Some say it has been lessened on the 06 and i can verify that there is very very slight hop, not annoying IMO. It may be the harder tires they put on the 06's or different bushing. Dont ask a dealer as they are so out to lunch no matter who you call in ATL regarding the V.

Another one of my dilemas. Should I get the dealer to install the Specter Werks bushings just as a precaution when I get my 06? I am getting the FG2 package so they will already have the suspension apart, I thought as a preventative measure I should maybe get them to pop in a set of the Specters while they are there.

Yay or nay?

Get the Spectra bushings!!! It Worked for me. :)

BTW: I'm with you on this. I absolutely HATE the wheel hop. Half of my "encounters" with other drivers that want a piece of the V are at the lights, and I'm not going to turn up my nose and let them go just because some people think "drag racing" is a lower form of fun.

I don't think that anyone is saying anything derogatory about drag racing. The message is that if you like to drag race, you bought the wrong car. Further, don't expect Cadillac to burn the midnight oil trying to find a way to satisfy those consumers who want to play "stop light racer."

Wheels don't hop on their own any more than guns go off on their own. Someone has to "pull the trigger" and drive the car beyond its capabilities. Therefore the remedies are quite clear:

1) Perform suspension and tire mods that resolve the problem to the extent possible;

2) Stop driving in a manner that induces hop; or

3) Sell the car and get something more in line with your driving style.

I don't mean to flame anyone, but these wheel hop thread are starting to sound like children complaining to Mom that everytime they hit their hand with a hammer, they feel pain. The obvious advice is, "Stop doing it." The same advice applys to driving styles that are guaranteed to induce wheel hop.

CR

I don't think that anyone is saying anything derogatory about drag racing. The message is that if you like to drag race, you bought the wrong car. Further, don't expect Cadillac to burn the midnight oil trying to find a way to satisfy those consumers who want to play "stop light racer."

Wheels don't hop on their own any more than guns go off on their own. Someone has to "pull the trigger" and drive the car beyond its capabilities. Therefore the remedies are quite clear:

1) Perform suspension and tire mods that resolve the problem to the extent possible;

2) Stop driving in a manner that induces hop; or

3) Sell the car and get something more in line with your driving style.

I don't mean to flame anyone, but these wheel hop thread are starting to sound like children complaining to Mom that everytime they hit their hand with a hammer, they feel pain. The obvious advice is, "Stop doing it." The same advice applys to driving styles that are guaranteed to induce wheel hop.

CR

Crowan, I am sort of with you except for one major thing. Cadillac advertises the car as 0-60 in under 5 seconds. They advertise a drag racer, how can one not expect a drag racer.

<walking into room, arms crossed in front>

ETHUG has spoken....you are now dismissed!

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Crowan, I am sort of with you except for one major thing. Cadillac advertises the car as 0-60 in under 5 seconds. They advertise a drag racer, how can one not expect a drag racer.You didn't see the asterisk at the bottom of the add that said: "Do not try this at home. Your CTS-V cannot perform this feat without destroying the differential. Just because we jumped off a bridge and told the world about it doesn't mean you should too."

Crowan, I am sort of with you except for one major thing. Cadillac advertises the car as 0-60 in under 5 seconds. They advertise a drag racer, how can one not expect a drag racer.

Toyota advertises that their truck can survive a direct hit from a comet.:histeric:

Seriously, just because Cadillac says, "Our car is fast," doesn't mean that they are selling a drag car, or that it is a smart idea to repeatedly try to re-create their performance numbers. Every car magazine that reviewed the V when it was introduced commented on the wheel hop during 0-60 testing. I remember Car & Driver saying that anyone who intended to give the V a steady diet of hard launches would become well acquainted with their service writer and their warranty replacement guidelines.

That did not stop me from getting one because I was more than willing to live with the limitations on clutch dumps and burn outs. It is clear that many members of the Forum cannot live with that restriction and insist on driving the car in a manner that will induce a problem that everyone is well aware of. To them I say, you bought the wrong car. Thats not a flame, its a fact.

If hard launches and/or drag racing is what blows your skirt up, have fun with it. However, if you give the V a steady diet of that, you will be rewarded with lots of wheel hop and briken parts. That is just a fact of life.

CR

Toyota advertises that their truck can survive a direct hit from a comet.:histeric:

Seriously, just because Cadillac says, "Our car is fast," doesn't mean that they are selling a drag car, or that it is a smart idea to repeatedly try to re-create their performance numbers. Every car magazine that reviewed the V when it was introduced commented on the wheel hop during 0-60 testing. I remember Car & Driver saying that anyone who intended to give the V a steady diet of hard launches would become well acquainted with their service writer and their warranty replacement guidelines.

That did not stop me from getting one because I was more than willing to live with the limitations on clutch dumps and burn outs. It is clear that many members of the Forum cannot live with that restriction and insist on driving the car in a manner that will induce a problem that everyone is well aware of. To them I say, you bought the wrong car. Thats not a flame, its a fact.

If hard launches and/or drag racing is what blows your skirt up, have fun with it. However, if you give the V a steady diet of that, you will be rewarded with lots of wheel hop and briken parts. That is just a fact of life.

CR

I know what Toyota advertises,I have seen that one a few times and laughed at it, but that ad is not comparable IMO to the 0-60 in under 5 seconds ad. The Caddy commercial that is comparable to the Toyota one is the bullet ad. We all know the V cars are not as fast as a bullet and we all know the Toyota cannot hold up to a meteor, but the 5 second thing is dead serious. Hell, they advertise it everywhere, even in the V brochure.

As I said earlier, I sort of do agree with you about continually beating on the car with hard launches and burnouts daily, but still, I think Caddy does have some responsibility here to try to correct the problem. Caddy is saying more than "our car is fast", they are saying our car can accelerate from a dead stop to 60 mph in 4.6 seconds. If that is not drag racing, then what is.

Want my take on it? I dont think they want to spend the money to redeisgn the current platform to eliminate the wheel hop, they are putting the money into R&D for the next gen car. Forward thinking. Anyone wanna bet that car will have a bullet proof rear and no hop? Is this the right thing to do? No. Can I understand it? Yes.

Bottom line is I will still buy the 06 car with all its faults and learn to drive it to the best of its ability and I will enjoy the hell out if while doing it!

Peace.:yup:

With the kars kit and a pair of non runflat tires hop is almost gone and you can play drag racer all you want.
When i bought my V gm stated 0 to 60 in 4.6 seconds, but anyhow it is not about doing it every day. once in a while it is very fun.
this shouldn't be a debate, We all bought the car because we wanted to.
It's fun, it looks good, it's comfy and sometimes it breaks rear ends, o well
back to the question at hand
WHEEL HOP
PLENTY OF INFO, IF YOU DO A SEARCH.
:dance: This was me this morning, when I met a new viper owner that didn't manage to stop smoking the tires from the light. I won that drag race. Thought I was going to get spanked :thumbsup:

Kadonny, You will like this car a lot. After a month of her its been more than i expected and have some exclusivity thrown in for under 50K. Not bad.

I tried the factory kit for wheel hop and the BMR kit, either way it still hops. For me the wheel hop is much worse with low traction, F1s in cold weather, than with more tractions, F1s in warm weather.

Buy a Dodge Charger..

I say, "Nay, nay: wait for the Challenger."

In any case, installing Specter Werks bushings and switching to F1 GS-D3 tires helps heaps. I didn't think so at first, but after the guys here reminded me to always launch with traction control off, I'd have to say that hard launch hopping is mostly gone on my V. That, and the fact that I don't launch hard very often, has kept me from investing in BMR bar/brace/control arms or the KARS kit.

The bushings are relatively cheap and are a quick do-it-yourself job.

Crowan, I am sort of with you except for one major thing. Cadillac advertises the car as 0-60 in under 5 seconds. They advertise a drag racer, how can one not expect a drag racer.
Word. Crown, 0-60 is one of the most important factors of ANY car. They advertise 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. Yet, we're not allowed to do it, or risk breaking the car? Kinda BS, don't ya think?

Seems to be the only car ever invented, advertised as a full out, balls-to-the-wall, performance machine that has this drastic of a problem with no fix in site.

I know what Toyota advertises,I have seen that one a few times and laughed at it, but that ad is not comparable IMO to the 0-60 in under 5 seconds ad. The Caddy commercial that is comparable to the Toyota one is the bullet ad. We all know the V cars are not as fast as a bullet and we all know the Toyota cannot hold up to a meteor, but the 5 second thing is dead serious. Hell, they advertise it everywhere, even in the V brochure.

As I said earlier, I sort of do agree with you about continually beating on the car with hard launches and burnouts daily, but still, I think Caddy does have some responsibility here to try to correct the problem. Caddy is saying more than "our car is fast", they are saying our car can accelerate from a dead stop to 60 mph in 4.6 seconds. If that is not drag racing, then what is.

Want my take on it? I dont think they want to spend the money to redeisgn the current platform to eliminate the wheel hop, they are putting the money into R&D for the next gen car. Forward thinking. Anyone wanna bet that car will have a bullet proof rear and no hop? Is this the right thing to do? No. Can I understand it? Yes.

Bottom line is I will still buy the 06 car with all its faults and learn to drive it to the best of its ability and I will enjoy the hell out if while doing it!

Peace.:yup:

I think we are basically on the same page. In a perfect world, GM would have engineered the wheel hop out of the V. But, building cars is all about price points, compromises, corporate finances etc. If they had rolled out a better V at a price point thousands of dollars higher, would it have sold better or worse? I don't know.

However, advertising is just advertising. Caddie listed the numerical measurements that enthusiasts use to compare performance cars. I don't take that to mean that they are marketing a drag car, and anyone who tries hard launch, full tilt, powershifting blasts (in any car) runs the risk of breaking something. Thats racing

The E55 ads had a monster coming out of the engine compartment and was all about speed. That doesn't mean that MB was suggesting that the car be driven at the limit by those who bought one. In fact, if the dealership could prove that a buyer was constantly racing the car or otherwise trying to recreate the posted 0-60 times or 1/4 mile times, the abusive driving flag would be waving furiously and warranties would go in the shredder.

At any rate, we know what we have and I can live happily with it.:yup:

CR

PS. I love those meteor ads!

I think we are basically on the same page. In a perfect world, GM would have engineered the wheel hop out of the V. But, building cars is all about price points, compromises, corporate finances etc. If they had rolled out a better V at a price point thousands of dollars higher, would it have sold better or worse? I don't know.

However, advertising is just advertising. Caddie listed the numerical measurements that enthusiasts use to compare performance cars. I don't take that to mean that they are marketing a drag car, and anyone who tries hard launch, full tilt, powershifting blasts (in any car) runs the risk of breaking something. Thats racing

The E55 ads had a monster coming out of the engine compartment and was all about speed. That doesn't mean that MB was suggesting that the car be driven at the limit by those who bought one. In fact, if the dealership could prove that a buyer was constantly racing the car or otherwise trying to recreate the posted 0-60 times or 1/4 mile times, the abusive driving flag would be waving furiously and warranties would go in the shredder.

At any rate, we know what we have and I can live happily with it.:yup:

CR

PS. I love those meteor ads!

I hear ya brotha.

And yeah, the great thing about that ad is it starts off like no big deal........then WHAM! Funny stuff.



And Davidstan, with your 06 do even feel that the Specter Werks bushings would help at all? It seems you are very happy with the 06 right from the box with regard to wheel hop. I read the GM post a few pages ago and how GM said that they redesigned the rear for 06 to help with this regard. Is that really true or are they just referencing the new diff.

I hear ya brotha.

And yeah, the great thing about that ad is it starts off like no big deal........then WHAM! Funny stuff.



And Davidstan, with your 06 do even feel that the Specter Werks bushings would help at all? It seems you are very happy with the 06 right from the box with regard to wheel hop. I read the GM post a few pages ago and how GM said that they redesigned the rear for 06 to help with this regard. Is that really true or are they just referencing the new diff.

I'm happy and honestly if not for this forum i would probably have my guard down on these issues and not notice as much. Did one peel out and no hop at all at a low rpm then a few days later tried a little harder and spun em good.....very slight hop. This was after 700 miles of break in.
I think GM has combined a new tire and stenghtened diff for the engineered fix for 06 but that is all i can tell. I'm going to wait on the Specter bushings.

My KARS stage 3 kit should be here any day now. From EVERYTHING I've read, the KARS kit is the best fix to date. It also is supposed to help control some roll in the twisties!!

0-60 is one of the most important factors of ANY car.

I disagree. 0-60 is put out there by manufacturers for magazine racers. Obviously, you can reason a lower 0-60 means a faster car. That isn't, however, exactly true. The 1/4 mile trap speed gives you a much better idea of a car's true potential. Look at a Subaru STI or Mits Evo. They have sub-5 second 0-60 times. It stands to reason that they would be just as fast as our V's, right? Well, these cars typically only trap 102-104 in the 1/4 mile. That means our V's would put like a freighttrain on them from a roll (imagine you are on the side of the road standing still and I drive by you at about (109-104 = 5mph). That's roughly how fast you'd pull on them.

You don't have to be drag racing to get the hop

AMEN.

I grow so fatigued of some saying that the car isn't made to be a "drag racing car" and, as a result of such, you will cease getting wheelhop if you don't drag race. Further, the idea that I'm driving my car beyond its capabilities &, as a result, that induces hop is total crap as well. Water, dirt, etc. can EASILY induce hop when it is not intended, nor driving the car beyond its capabilities. I know, as this happens to me frequentely and it's VERY FRUSTRATING.

OK

I have to jump in here!

I don't care if you think we should all drive like grampy and his little wife!!! I don't care if you think we should baby our cars from a stop, shift at 2500 rpm and never put the pedal to the floor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The bottom line is, myself and many others do not drive like our dead grandparents. I am personally sick of the drag race analogy! If I choose to accelerate from a dead stop is not "drag racing". Drag racing is performed from a standing start in a competition setting with a contolled timing and starting sytem with repeated runs down a track.

I drag race competively, so I know of where I speak.

Now, if I want to do a time trial on a rare or limited occaision, I should be able to do so in a "performance vehicle" that is in total stock trim. I should not need to be unable to enjoy a performance vehicle in any form I choose, this is what the monthly payment is for.

Now if I choose to compete in a vehicle, then the consequences are mine.

And I sure don't need someone of a differing opinion tell me how to drive my car, I don't appreciate the pompus lectures of how I drive my car.

Our car, just so you know, was hopping so horribly bad, my wife was afraid to drive the car with any confidence during acceleration, it was so bad that on a hi rpm shift the car had trouble deciding which lane it wanted to be in.

So I will not accept, the premise that I need not enjoy the power I am paying for.

This was my motivation for the kit. Now with exception of minor hopping, which is in total safe limits, I can drive the car in a way we are paying for the priviledge to do so.

I hope I made myself clear, but not at anyones expense.............I just am tired of the lecturing.

OK I have to jump in here! . . . . . . . . . . . I sure don't need someone of a differing opinion tell me how to drive my car, I don't appreciate the pompus lectures of how I drive my car. . . . . . . . . .

A-f'n-men! :thumbsup:

OK

I have to jump in here!

I don't care if you think we should all drive like grampy and his little wife!!! I don't care if you think we should baby our cars from a stop, shift at 2500 rpm and never put the pedal to the floor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The bottom line is, myself and many others do not drive like our dead grandparents. I am personally sick of the drag race analogy! If I choose to accelerate from a dead stop is not "drag racing". Drag racing is performed from a standing start in a competition setting with a contolled timing and starting sytem with repeated runs down a track.

I drag race competively, so I know of where I speak.

Now, if I want to do a time trial on a rare or limited occaision, I should be able to do so in a "performance vehicle" that is in total stock trim. I should not need to be unable to enjoy a performance vehicle in any form I choose, this is what the monthly payment is for.

Now if I choose to compete in a vehicle, then the consequences are mine.

And I sure don't need someone of a differing opinion tell me how to drive my car, I don't appreciate the pompus lectures of how I drive my car.

Our car, just so you know, was hopping so horribly bad, my wife was afraid to drive the car with any confidence during acceleration, it was so bad that on a hi rpm shift the car had trouble deciding which lane it wanted to be in.

So I will not accept, the premise that I need not enjoy the power I am paying for.

This was my motivation for the kit. Now with exception of minor hopping, which is in total safe limits, I can drive the car in a way we are paying for the priviledge to do so.

I hope I made myself clear, but not at anyones expense.............I just am tired of the lecturing.

:wtf:

I'm not sure who that was aimed at, but speaking for myself, I can say that I could care less how anybody else drives. I'm just tired of hearing people whining about wheel hop over and over and over again. The idea that one has to drive like their "dead grandparents" in order to avoid wheel hop in the V is absurd.

I've driven hi-po cars and raced cars all my life, and I love to put the V through its paces. I manage to do that without turning the car into a bucking bronco. That said, I'm sure that there are many people who flog their cars harder than I do, and I'm also sure that it is possible to do so in a manner that is unsafe under certain conditions.

To those who chose to drive in a manner that is proven to induce hop, knock yourselves out. Its a free country. But if the car won't safely do what it has to do in order to satisfy your driving needs, the choices are rather obvious: either mod it appropriately, adjust your driving to suit the car's capabilities, or get a car that will better suit your style.

There is nothing pompus about that, and it is not a lecture; it is reality. If you have a better option I'd like to hear it.

CR

This was my motivation for the kit. Now with exception of minor hopping, which is in total safe limits, I can drive the car in a way we are paying for the priviledge to do so.


I agree with everything you just said. I shouldn't have to drive this car like it's a piece of glass. But, that is the reality of the stock configuration. With that said and understood, I can't wait for my KARS kit.

Word. Crown, 0-60 is one of the most important factors of ANY car. They advertise 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. Yet, we're not allowed to do it, or risk breaking the car? Kinda BS, don't ya think?

The ad should disclaim Results typical for :worship:John Heinricy.. not the rest of you..

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kinda like if you drink this adult beverage you'll get get all these hot chicks...

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I'm not Drag racing! I get wheel hop If I hit a wet spot under acceleration, or driving in the rain or even SNOW, I STILL GET WHEEL-HOP

I'm getting real tired of it

The ad should disclaim Results typical for :worship:John Heinricy.. not the rest of you..



kinda like if you drink this adult beverage you'll get get all these hot chicks...



Listen, if they say 0-60 4.6 and it is NOT attainable under perfect driving conditions, with the BEST driver in the world, going off the side of mount everest with the SPACE SHUTTLE stapled to the roof, it's bullsh!t, false advertising and they should have a class-action law-suit brought against them.

When beer commercial says "drink these and you'll get hott chicks", Or Ford claims their trucks are meteor-proof. This falls under spoofing laws, in-other-words, no resonable person really expects this to be true. Its humor and any court will understand that. But when someone gives hard numbers, without comic-enuendo, this can and should be taken literally and a reasonable person can and should expect what is promised.

Even if it only does 0-60 in 4.6, 1 out of 1000 times, if they say it, it MUST be able to achieve it and I guarantee, the law would back it up.

Even if it only does 0-60 in 4.6, 1 out of 1000 times, if they say it, it MUST be able to achieve it and I guarantee, the law would back it up.

It may well never had been actually done. I wouldn't be surprised it wasn't computed mathmatically by some consultant or other.

I'm not Drag racing! I get wheel hop If I hit a wet spot under acceleration, or driving in the rain or even SNOW, I STILL GET WHEEL-HOP

I'm getting real tired of it

We're all tired of it and we know you don't need to be drag racing to get the hop. Your post asks 'how can we stop the #**@ing wheel hop?' and the solutions have been presented.

1) KARS kit
2) Less grippy tires
3) Drive like a wuss when it's dry out and don't drive at all when it rains
4) New car