Ok so I am looking for a new car soon, I had thought I was pretty sure on a used CTS-V, love the car. Buuut, I took a serious look into the IS350 and now I'm between the two.

Now obviously the styling is different, I actually really like both but would give my nod to the V. And obviously the handling department of the V is in on another level..... but how often will I drive it to that level...?

But I'm really looking for constructive discussion on the two cars. Here's my situation:

I drive all the time for work. Basically a work day consists of driving all over town (metro area) to differeny appointments. Freeways, city streets, nice roads, shitty roads (more shitty than nice in Sacramento!) and sometimes the fun country/hilly/windy roads. And of course more often than not there is at least light traffic.

So I guess the discussion is which do you think makes the best overall daily driver through all types of conditions?

I assume a lot of you V drivers have a more typical daily drive and maybe even on smooth decent roads, and so the awesome handling and power are fun to have.


Now I've driven the V a couple times. The best was today with a really cool guy at a Toyota dealer and he got on it a couple times and then I did as well and took it for a nice drive....loooove the power and tight handling. And it is light years ahead of my old Camaro 6spd I drive now in refinement and quality/luxury.

Have not driven the IS350 yet, I am working on that. But I sat in a 250 and played around with some features and loooove the interior. The quality of the interior is just ridiculous in comparison. The extra gizmos that the IS can come with are not necessary of course but would just make all the driving that much more convenient and comfortable.

It also sounds like the speed and performance of the IS350 is very impressive, not on par with the V but definitely not all that far off.

Ok, so has anyone driven the IS?

Which would you go with as your only car if you drove a ton?

Ok, this post is stupidly long and I'm falling asleep...... any answers are welcome at this point...:bonkers:

I have never driven an IS, but do yourself a favor and pick up this months Motor Trend. They compare it to the 3 series and a Benz C class. From what I read they were not all that impressed with the car as it did not connect with the road.

I would take the V any day of the week over the Lexus. Now compare it to a BMW and you have a much fairer comparison. The M or the 5 series makes a real tough decision.

Good luck with your decision. Go drive the Lexus before you comment on it. There is more to a car than just a nice interior.

I drove the is350 the other day. All I can say is that hold off until the true manual version comes out. However, it was a quite impressive little car with tons of features (cooled seats, rear parking assist camera, front parking assist, 6 spd auto, high res screen on the nav, very nice fit and finish, awesome guages.). Even with all those features and lexus reliability, i would have to say v is still in another level entirely. As for the price gap it's not that much if you shop around for the v.

Now if we get into the modification, v will win hands down.

Agree with picking up the latest Motor Trend to see what the press is saying about the IS vs. it's competitors. The V is an entirely different type of car (size, power, attitude, etc.).

I think most V owners enjoy the exclusivity of having a car they make only about 2000/year, and the recognition of a select few that really know what the car is about. Welcome back to the early 60's with 2000 tech.

Youd rather have a Toyota than a V???? You want cushy and disconnected, buy the IS, you want power, road feel and control, buy the V. Cmon Tim, get your mind right (and keep your dollars in the US)

F

I've driven the IS 350 back to back with a BMW 330 and I have a V (and you'll see my other cars above). I drove the IS and the Bimmer to help my dad pick his next car. The IS was certainly faster than the Bimmer, but as soon as I drove the BMW, I called my dad and advised him that IMO, there was no contest. The 330 was fantastic to drive. Much, much, much more fun to drive, superior handling - it was great. Not as much fun as the V, but the point I'm making is that while the IS is a fine vehicle, it's only slightly more entertaining than a Camry. IMO, its a car for people who like to talk about cars more than they like driving 'em. If you took 10 competent (track experienced) drivers and had them pick among the V, the IS and the 330 (recognizing that the V is on a substantially higher playing field), I don't think anyone of those drivers would pick the IS. Guys who like to talk the talk, but can't walk the walk would pick the IS because of resale value, creature comforts, reliability, and because its fast.

Lexus cars are fantastic automotive appliances - super reliable, great ergonomics and not a bit of fun. The V makes you feel like you're the king of the roadway. The BMW makes you feel like you can take any turn at any speed. You won't get any of that from the IS. Last thought... I think that the IS looks like a stretched out Corolla. :)

Hey...you're not crazy! I was going to put a deposit on the IS350 before I bought the V. I couldn't wait for the Lexus to come out however and this forum's passion for the V (and employee pricing!) made me decide to go Caddy for the first time. I bet the IS is a sweet ride...yes, very different than the CTSV though. I can say now that it is out, the IS350 doesn't catch as much attention as I thought it might out on the road. Bottom line was that I was sure I would pay sticker for one of the 1st IS's, but could lease my "American M5" for $600 a month.

I won't even dignify that comparison with a response. :helpless:

I considered a IS but didn't test drive it. Went to the Cadi dealership and drove a V, that was that. I had a 72 Pontiac Grand Prix with a 400HP in HS and it brought that total feeling back. Getting to drive around a "momma's car" that kicked azz down the road and could be easily modified if I wished. Nice to be back in this saddle again (although this one is definately nicer).

Go and drive the IS and compare how they drive and then think of how you want to drive everyday.

Yeah I gotta go drive one.

Well like I said before obviously the feel of the drive and fun factor is a lot different. But if you drove all day and lived in your car half the time would you still choose the V over the more comfortable/convenient IS ???

Thats what I was really getting at.
Don't get me wrong, I love performance cars and am a total car nut, and if I had a "office" type job and drove to and from work along with some joy riding on the weekend then there would be no question here.....I'd get the V period. But I'm not in that situation so I wonder.....

consider gas mileage and comfort of an auto,
Get the is 350 less hassle less money less gas etcc....

If you want handling, thrilling acceleration, bigger size and to myself better looks then go with the V.
Different cars in my opinion
but i took the V

There was a new untitled silver V on e bay a few days ago $34K. Located in Iowa. Never titled 117miles.
Have them put in a 2006 rear and take it.

It's funny that you should mention these particular cars. I actually test drove both cars this past weekend. Check out this thread:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62057

In summary:

Lexus = Awesome interior, far better than Caddy with some performance. However, you can barely hear the exhaust note/engine, and when you drive it be sure and check out how quick the shifts come in manual mode - they seemed kinda slow to me. It has reasonable performance for most people, even if you take it into the back country for a little spirited driving occasionally. However, only you can decide how much you sit in traffic, and if the interior accoutriments(sp?) are worth a little less all out performance. If I spent as much time as it sounds like you do on the road, I would give it serious consideration.

CTS-V = Awesome performance sports sedan with a nice, but subpar interior compared with its class/price range (IMO). The thrill I got driving this car was amazing, and unlike you, my worst drive is home at the end of the day and ranges from 40min to 1 hour at worst (30-35 min to work in AM). So, I would not mind giving up some of the interior goodies for that level of performance. What makes this car more attractive is that it can be had as an 05 CPO with low miles for high $30k to low $40k. Then all sorts of goodies/mods both interior and exterior can be installed. The Lexus will have minimal performance mods for quite a while.

Hope this helps a little.

Yan

If you're worried about tough roads for a daily driver, don't make a decision until you can drive a V that has tires other than the stock F1 Supercar EMT runflats. The difference in ride on rough roads (we have some down here) is night and day. I'm soooooooooo much happier since I put F1 GS-D3 tires on my V; road noise, jarring bounces, tracking all dramatically diminished. You give up a little in traction and sidewall flex, of course, but well worth it in my opinion.

Oh yeah, every once in a while I have to drive my wife's 2003 Camry with the automatic transmission. Too bad it doesn't come equipped with the Distronic autodrive system, because I always tend to :yawn: :boring:

I didn't read where you live - the V can be a real pain in heavy traffic with stop and go driving, especially if you 'live' in your car for most of the day. Living in SoCal with heavy traffic I sometimes wish for an automatic when crawling along. The Lexus will make it easier for you to drive in heavy traffic w/o the manny tranny, but you're giving up a whole lot by going to the Lexus. No road feel or the responsiveness the V offers. With the Lexus you're isolated from the road and driving the car becomes 'too easy' and too comfortable - which is exactly what Lexus prides itself on. just my thoughts here... I've driven both and for isolated comfort and luxury, take a Lexus. If you want to drive a car, take the V.

I've driven the IS 350 back to back with a BMW 330 and I have a V (and you'll see my other cars above). I drove the IS and the Bimmer to help my dad pick his next car. The IS was certainly faster than the Bimmer, but as soon as I drove the BMW, I called my dad and advised him that IMO, there was no contest. The 330 was fantastic to drive. Much, much, much more fun to drive, superior handling - it was great. Not as much fun as the V, but the point I'm making is that while the IS is a fine vehicle, it's only slightly more entertaining than a Camry. IMO, its a car for people who like to talk about cars more than they like driving 'em. If you took 10 competent (track experienced) drivers and had them pick among the V, the IS and the 330 (recognizing that the V is on a substantially higher playing field), I don't think anyone of those drivers would pick the IS. Guys who like to talk the talk, but can't walk the walk would pick the IS because of resale value, creature comforts, reliability, and because its fast.

Lexus cars are fantastic automotive appliances - super reliable, great ergonomics and not a bit of fun. The V makes you feel like you're the king of the roadway. The BMW makes you feel like you can take any turn at any speed. You won't get any of that from the IS. Last thought... I think that the IS looks like a stretched out Corolla. :)

:yeah: Except for the last thought. :D

Apples and oranges, Dude-ski.

They both have 4 doors, motors, and tires. Thats about the only similarities they have. ;)

I live and drive daily in Los Angeles over our horrible freeways and streets. The V is GREAT in these places, but if I need to make that yellow light...sideways...its nice to know I can. :) Thats a "no no" for Lexus's. Anytime you have a car that doesn't allow you to deactivate the TC and DSC is NO driver car.

Ladis

The new IS is the new kid on the block in the Luxo Sport Sedan Category. Pretty slick - I sat in one the other day, but turned down an offer to drive it. (My good friend manages a Lexus dealer).

As a daily driver...I would be tempted to look at the TL, G35, IS and 330..if...

I didn't like to go stupid fast and drive 400 rwhp cars that love mods and bring a smile to my face when the loud pedal goes down.

I am in outside sales. The Navi, comfort, etc of the all of the above cars make more sense. However, for the money I spent, the V brings me as close to the Z06 I left behind as can be expected...with a considerable increase in practicality and refinement.

The new IS is the new kid on the block in the Luxo Sport Sedan Category. Pretty slick - I sat in one the other day, but turned down an offer to drive it. (My good friend manages a Lexus dealer).

As a daily driver...I would be tempted to look at the TL, G35, IS and 330..if...

I didn't like to go stupid fast and drive 400 rwhp cars that love mods and bring a smile to my face when the loud pedal goes down.

I am in outside sales. The Navi, comfort, etc of the all of the above cars make more sense. However, for the money I spent, the V brings me as close to the Z06 I left behind as can be expected...with a considerable increase in practicality and refinement.

There are rumors of an IS460 or IS500 with a V-8 on the way. Anyone who is leaning toward the IS might want to do some investigation on whether it's really coming, how much it might cost, if it's a manual, how fast it is, if it has improved handling, etc.

The question is, do you want to get there, or do you want to enjoy getting there?

Aside from that, I wouldn't drive one of those piece of shite Toyotas if you bought it for me.

/I'm biased.

The IS350 is pretty darn quick. Supposedly runs the 1/4 consistently in the high 13's. I raced one a couple months ago and he kept up very well right through 2nd gear. Then again, the V is my first manual and I had only had the car for a month and a half of so. My skillz needed some work (and still do).

I remember back a couple of years ago when the IS430 was supposed to come out and that never materialized. I doubt Lexus will drop a V8 into that car b/c it would steal too many customers from their GS line...but wouldn't it be an awesome car?

You can't knock Lexus on quality, fit, or finish. We've got an RX300 with 220K miles that still drives like a dream and is extremely comfortable. No issues. The only other car I've owned that has surpassed it is a little 84 CRX we had in the family and racked up 350K miles (no issues outside of normal maintenance) when we sold it for $1100.

Lexus is much more intrusive in their interference with the driver experience, although all the gadgets are hard to resist (I love the paddle shifters). I wouldn't be surprised if there was good aftermarket support that could make some dramatic improvements to an already potent package (provided they can work around the factory's intrusive constraints).

That said, I personally love my V more than any other car I've owned. If it were wrecked or stolen today, I'd buy another one without hesitation tomorrow.

Daily driver here in Southern California. Love the V!

Ok so I drove the IS350 today...

Smoooooth is all I can say. It sure is a very luxurious drive compared to anything else I've tested. And well...I thought it handled, accelerated, and braked very well. The quietness and smoothness over crappy roads was amazing. The 6spd auto is real nice, paddles are fun. Steering feel I thought was good, very tight, although I would say that it did not feel as connected as the V's. Also I noticed the brake assist a little, like a couple times when I hit the brakes it seemed like the brakes grabbed harder than they should have for how hard I pressed the pedal....thats a weird feeling. Although it was subtle and I'm sure something one would get used to if they owned the car.

Power was very nice also, little lexus would kick my Z28's ass... but the V has the strong torque and really, really pulls hard in just about evey gear....all the time :)

This is gonna be a tuff call. I thought the V was the perfect mix between luxury refinement and muscle, a muscle car in a business suit.

Now the idea of the luxury for everyday driving is a nice idea too, and the IS350 meets the need of still having a lot of power/performance.

Hmmm... :confused: :alchi:

IS350. It's lower priced and has decent performance at a high 13 second 1/4 mile(on their forum some have gone 13.6) with an auto and paddle shifting on the steering wheel. It probably won't have radio/nav buttons/knobs that peel or a rear end that blows up, not to mention a radiator that won't leak. You also get the Lexus quality ride with no clunks while your driving down the road. It also looks realy sharp and has a modern look. If you like the IS350 but still want more performance I hear some of the owners are supercharging as we discuss this.
Whatever your decision, good luck.

i looked at both too. drive the v, a long drive, on familiar roads, if u dont come out of the car w a grin on yur face, get a camry. u are either a driver or a person who likes to get from pt a to pt b comfortably. the v will tell u. i am the first type of driver, bought the v and have NEVER looked back.

Heh, I don't think it's that simple. Yeah I'm a driver. But I'm also a frequent driver ;). If I could have more than one car that it'd be easy to have am awesome performance car and also a daily cruiser.... but not yet.
If I drove to and from work and the ususal... I'd totally go for the V. But as I already said before that I drive all the time and so I'm considering the more comfortable luxury car.

buy the lexus, its obvious u would not drive a v the way it was designed to be driven.....

The lexus is an a well rounded, good looking, fast everyday car. If you had the option of a second car, then maybe a V would be nice.

When I was looking at buying a car it came down to the V and an IS350. Well....look at my name and I guess that explains what my desicion was. I actually didnt want to drive the IS when I saw it, thought it was pretty gay looking on the outside, nothing compared to the looks of the V. Sure it has some neat gadgets, but so does the V, I wasnt all that impressed with the interior, I think the V's interior and gadgetry kicks ass.

But hey, if your going to be in bumper to bumper traffic all day get an automatic.

Pu$$y Car VS the "V" ............There is NO Comparison!!!!! :thepan:

pneubird, yo, word.!!!!!

buy the lexus, its obvious u would not drive a v the way it was designed to be driven.....

The V can't be driven the way it was designed to be diven.

I love performance cars and am a total car nut...


Look Tim, I just cringe when guys wring their hands trying to make a decision. It's so, how should we say, "XX" chromosone. When I read through your posts I can tell you want that IS350, so stop pulling yourself apart and go down and get it.

I would imagine, being a "total car nut" means one wouldn't even consider the facts that a car may have a manual, or it gets 5 mpg, or you're 1 mile from work and it's your only car....

If I could get my hands on a LM250, or an original GT40, or a Lambo Miura and that was my only car I could have, it would be parked in the garage.

To own a CTS V and enjoy the experience, you have to have a passion.

You cannot get a manual in the IS350 only the weak IS250. You cant turn off the stability control either. If you're not going to get a V then get a 330i its a good medium between a V and an IS350.

These nice folks are being so objective... the best and worst thing about this forum.

Bottom line: Buy an IS350 if you're a eunuch and dream about all the performance and smiles a V would bring or just by the V and show the world your balls. Lexus makes great cars for people who do't want 2 win street races and feel their immense personal power though their automobiles.

There is no charge for this session.:cool2:

If you are making the comparision go with the IS.

As for the daily driver thing. I daily drive the V and love it. I don't know how anyone could put the V in the garage and drive something slower with worse handling. I want the V every day not just on weekends.

I test drove both and decided to order the Lexus IS350 for better reliability;

http://macleans.auto123.com/ArtImages/51421/Lexus-IS-22.jpg
http://macleans.auto123.com/ArtImages/51421/inline_38.jpg
http://media.putfile.com/IS350-Burn-Out

Burnout with no wheel hop.

great pics....but its still an ugly car.

I test drove both and decided to order the Lexus IS350 for better reliability;
Burnout with no wheel hop.

Yeah and that looks like a great way to test it..

See you in the rearview mirror http://www.ciws.net/ctsv/happyhappy.gif

Lexus=rolling novocaine

I test drove both and decided to order the Lexus IS350 for better reliability;

http://macleans.auto123.com/ArtImages/51421/Lexus-IS-22.jpg
http://macleans.auto123.com/ArtImages/51421/inline_38.jpg
http://media.putfile.com/IS350-Burn-Out

Burnout with no wheel hop.
doing a burnout is different from launching a car.

I find that to a pretty boring looking car...

Then again, I've never been impressed with fancy Toyotas.

I test drove both and decided to order the Lexus IS350 for better reliability.
How does a test drive show you the Lexus is more reliable? Don't cry when V's lay the smack down on your Lexus.

How does a test drive show you the Lexus is more reliable? Don't cry when V's lay the smack down on your Lexus.
supposedly they removed the front parking sensors from the IS because they're already having issues.

supposedly they removed the front parking sensors from the IS because they're already having issues.

I didn't start this thread but so far most of the responses are fairly predictable.

Every forum has its share of apologists for the brand the forum targets.

I didn't start this thread but so far most of the responses are fairly predictable.

Every forum has its share of apologists for the brand the forum targets.

And their thread Trolls as well. :crybaby:

darrel your car sucks, its a sad excuse for toyota to enter the performance industry, they should of stuck with the toyota supra ! I beat one the other day......from a 5 mph roll.....i in 2nd gear still put the lay down on him. so so sowy but go hang with the rest of the imported hondas.

I didn't start this thread but so far most of the responses are fairly predictable.

Every forum has its share of apologists for the brand the forum targets.
i went shopping for an IS with a co-worker. I recommended the stupid car.

Front parking sensors were there in the first batch and when his car arrived, i asked him why they were missing and the response i got was that front parking sensors were removed from all IS.
I'm just informing that Lexus is just like other brands, they have issues just lot less than others. Also their average is so low because SC430 has such low #of problems.

Also doing a donut will not make your car wheel hop not even on a cts-v/cts. Look at dado's video before they started prepping the car. Sadly i didn't get to check my co-worker's car as he bought a IS250 AWD instead of IS350 but i bet you it's going to hop a little on very aggressive launches.

darrel your car sucks, its a sad excuse for toyota to enter the performance industry, they should of stuck with the toyota supra ! I beat one the other day......from a 5 mph roll.....i in 2nd gear still put the lay down on him. so so sowy but go hang with the rest of the imported hondas.
rumor has it that they're returning to sports car market with a v10 powered sports car.

The current release of the IS series is aimed at my age buying group: 40-50 who want smaller sized automobiles with amenities and sporting abilities. This all to the chagrin of the past IS model enthusiasts who loved the inline six versus the new V-6. Now, Lexus does have some other goodies up its sleeve and one is a V-8 model designated as the IS450, that is waiting in the wings. It is also said that after they have captured my market (which they are doing so rapidly) that they will move into the enthusiasts' aspect with some of the other IS models.

If you want the gut-wrenching torque and power, go get yourself a used CTS-V and enjoy it (life is indeed very short) or wait and see what Lexus lets loose next in the IS lineup.

I was in this same position about a month ago. The IS350 looks great on paper, but has anyone ever tried sitting in the back seat of one? Any people six feet tall or greater will not be comfortable AT ALL in the back of an IS. This was a huge factor for me since I occasionally have to take clients/coworkers out to lunch etc. Caddy can comfortably seat 4 for a short drive.

Just got my CST-V and am completely in Love!!

I agree the CTS-V is more fun to drive, however after almost three years of owning a CTS and dealing with reliability/dealer issues the joy of driving gets diminished. You are happy to just have a car that starts and gets you to work on time regardless of how it looks or "the driving experience".

I read with sympathy about even worse CTS-V problems such as blown transmissions and rear diffs that the dealer won't fix.

Lexus may not be any better but the current problem/satisfaction surveys and actual owners I have talked to say they are better. I would prefer to buy something American but GM seems to only spend the real time and money on trucks. I don't think they really are concerned about keeping their car buyers.

Example: A coworker noticed how many times I pulled up in our parking lot driving rentals and commented how of friend of hers has a CTS the same year as mine that stays in the shop. She drives a Honda and says her friend and I are examples of why she won't buy GM.

Anyone who buys a V and thinks reliable, never in the shop car is not very smart. Even if the V doesn't break it should be in the shop for mods. It should be time consuming.

As for GM's not being reliable. I DD my V and it has only been in 1 day for the tranny TSB. My GTO has never been in the shop. My wife's TB has 80k miles and only been in for a couple of recalls. My wifes first TB was Lemon law'd, but GM was really good about it. My previous GTP was never in the shop. My Silvy SS was in the shop once for a blown gasket. My Silvy before that never in the shop. My Monte before that in the shop once for some user error by myself and a big gust of wind. My Geo before that in the shop once for a dipstick breaking, probably was my dad's user error. My Firebird before that which I still have in the shop once for a bad alternator. My S15 before that in the shop once for a bad bearing.

So for me these are examples of I don't know how people have some many troubles with GM's. I had one bad TB out of them all and GM took it back; even it never left me stranded once.

How does a test drive show you the Lexus is more reliable? Don't cry when V's lay the smack down on your Lexus.

Well... though I would never touch an IS over a 3 Series, you only have to read about three or four threads on this forum versus the Lexus forum to see how much more reliable the Lexus is...

Well... though I would never touch an IS over a 3 Series, you only have to read about three or four threads on this forum versus the Lexus forum to see how much more reliable the Lexus is...
When you take a high performance car and mix it with the type of people who would visit a formum for it (typically modders or people who drive it hard) the results can look worse than they are. Plus people will post a something broke thread but rarely will they post an everything is fine thread. Would I consider the V a really reliable car, no. would I consider it as bad as the forum can make it appear, no. It as reliable as a car that pushes performance should be.

There's no question the Lexus has had the number 1 quality for years running. That's basically a given, and if that's the number one priority of the potential car buyer then they certainly should be buying a Lexus, or possibly a Honda. The best quality rating in American cars has usually been Lincoln. I gave a couple of different Lexus models a serious look, but then I drove the V and that was that, but that's me. I'm probably having a mid-life crisis and wanted to be back in a "muscle" car with great handling, knowing that in order to get that I would probably sacrifice some in quality. However we'll see how the car actually pans out. I may be one of the more lucky ones who gets very little issues, or then again I may have just jinxed myself. :canttalk:

;)

You can always just go this route:

http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/ftx.html

It is to be released next year (it's being built in a plant next to San Antonio, TX). Look at the video to see just how BIG this bloody truck is. If a IS350 or CTS-V pisses you off, just catch-up with them at the next light and run over their roofs!

The current release of the IS series is aimed at my age buying group: 40-50 who want smaller sized automobiles with amenities and sporting abilities. This all to the chagrin of the past IS model enthusiasts who loved the inline six versus the new V-6. Now, Lexus does have some other goodies up its sleeve and one is a V-8 model designated as the IS450, that is waiting in the wings. It is also said that after they have captured my market (which they are doing so rapidly) that they will move into the enthusiasts' aspect with some of the other IS models.

If you want the gut-wrenching torque and power, go get yourself a used CTS-V and enjoy it (life is indeed very short) or wait and see what Lexus lets loose next in the IS lineup.

Rumors are that a true enthusiast 450hp Lexus IS460 is being tested;
http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=4762&categoryId=1

Rumors are that a true enthusiast 450hp Lexus IS460 is being tested;
http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=4762&categoryId=1
hopefully they actually put a manual transmission for that car. Their 6 speed auto shifts way too slow for my taste.

Rumors are that a true enthusiast 450hp Lexus IS460 is being tested;
http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=4762&categoryId=1
Yeah, some friends of mine told it was ready to roll and a real ass-whomper...we'll see, but I do know that Toyota/Lexus is ready to pull-out all the stops as they feel they have enough legacy built-up to launch into other more risky ventures and limited draw such as high-performance vehicles.

Yeah, some friends of mine told it was ready to roll and a real ass-whomper...we'll see, but I do know that Toyota/Lexus is ready to pull-out all the stops as they feel they have enough legacy built-up to launch into other more risky ventures and limited draw such as high-performance vehicles.

Still a IS350 with aftermarket exhaust posts some excellent track runs, this guy achieved a 13.1. The tuning potential is incredible.

http://home.comcast.net/~flpd1357/3rd_1320.jpg

those are some nice times.

Still a IS350 with aftermarket exhaust posts some excellent track runs,

I'm sorry, but where on there does that say it's a Lexus IS350 ? All I see is a Dodge dealership and BFgoodrich. That could be any car, especially a dodge.

:alchi:

:alchi:


I wish I was Bro, instead I'm awake listening to the Battery Operated smoke detector the apt complex mounted 15 ft in the air beep every two minutes to tell me it's battery is low.

Time to dig out the shotgun.....

Still a IS350 with aftermarket exhaust posts some excellent track runs, this guy achieved a 13.1. The tuning potential is incredible.

http://home.comcast.net/~flpd1357/3rd_1320.jpg

300 hp and 105mph trap with a 1.9 60ft?

Damn that must be a bad ass exhaust...

The Lexus dealer across from me has tons of those cars, my buddy is about to jump the gun on one...

They seem awfully slow to me though?

May want to take a look at this first result when i googled

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/content/11350239991324407406/

CIWS -

ahhhhh...the dreaded battery dead in the detector middle of the night garbage - yes, a shotgun seems reasonable about then.

Gents - I find this comparision quite far off base. The smokey powerslides are easily done in the V without wheel hop - even more easily with a Maggie or other power adders on board. Besides, with either car, wheel hop isn't the deciding factor for me.

If the IS450 or whatever they're going to call it comes out - and with AWD I might add - then you might have a serious argument for a Lexus. Until then - well - I'll let those who elect to be less involved with their driving/ownership experience continue to buy the overpriced Toyotas.

Shit...I'm cranky today. Think I'll go burn some rear rubber off and see if the headache subsides.

WW

CIWS -

ahhhhh...the dreaded battery dead in the detector middle of the night garbage - yes, a shotgun seems reasonable about then.

Gents - I find this comparision quite far off base. The smokey powerslides are easily done in the V without wheel hop - even more easily with a Maggie or other power adders on board. Besides, with either car, wheel hop isn't the deciding factor for me.

If the IS450 or whatever they're going to call it comes out - and with AWD I might add - then you might have a serious argument for a Lexus. Until then - well - I'll let those who elect to be less involved with their driving/ownership experience continue to buy the overpriced Toyotas.

Shit...I'm cranky today. Think I'll go burn some rear rubber off and see if the headache subsides.

WW
I think there might be a reason why awd is not available on gs430/is350. Maybe they don't have any awd powertrain parts for higher output engines.

300 hp and 105mph trap with a 1.9 60ft?

Damn that must be a bad ass exhaust...

The Lexus dealer across from me has tons of those cars, my buddy is about to jump the gun on one...

They seem awfully slow to me though?

May want to take a look at this first result when i googled

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/content/11350239991324407406/


The same authors take on the CTSV;

For one thing, the CTS-V doesn’t feel welded-to-the-tarmac like Munich’s M-machine. While the V offers Cadillac buyers an unprecedented level of high speed finesse, the brand’s luxury heritage demanded a significant measure of ride comfort. The trade-off leaves the CTS-V with no small amount of body roll and a general feeling of daintiness. Ask the car some tricky questions and it gets a bit jumpy, like a cat on a hot tin roof.

The CTS-V is also slower than an M5. Call it axle tramp or wheel hop, but whenever you give the CTS-V’s go-pedal a proper pasting there’s a God-almighty clunk in the rear. For the crucial first second, the car struggles to get its power down. Even when the CTS-V’s electronics and mechanical linkages finally get things organized, the CTS-V lacks the oomph to catch up with the similarly-horsed M5. Not at 60, 70, 100 or beyond.

And then there’s steering feel, or lack thereof. While the M5’s recirculating ball steering dispenses automotive Prozac, the CTS-V’s power-assisted rack-and-pinion system was Novocained at birth. With 3.5 turns from lock-to-lock and nothing to tell you where you are in the turning process, you have to remember not to attack corners too aggressively, lest excessively sharp turn-in makes a complete mess of things. Again, blame Cadillac’s luxury bias.

The same authors take on the CTSV;

For one thing, the CTS-V doesn’t feel welded-to-the-tarmac like Munich’s M-machine. While the V offers Cadillac buyers an unprecedented level of high speed finesse, the brand’s luxury heritage demanded a significant measure of ride comfort. The trade-off leaves the CTS-V with no small amount of body roll and a general feeling of daintiness. Ask the car some tricky questions and it gets a bit jumpy, like a cat on a hot tin roof.

The CTS-V is also slower than an M5. Call it axle tramp or wheel hop, but whenever you give the CTS-V’s go-pedal a proper pasting there’s a God-almighty clunk in the rear. For the crucial first second, the car struggles to get its power down. Even when the CTS-V’s electronics and mechanical linkages finally get things organized, the CTS-V lacks the oomph to catch up with the similarly-horsed M5. Not at 60, 70, 100 or beyond.

And then there’s steering feel, or lack thereof. While the M5’s recirculating ball steering dispenses automotive Prozac, the CTS-V’s power-assisted rack-and-pinion system was Novocained at birth. With 3.5 turns from lock-to-lock and nothing to tell you where you are in the turning process, you have to remember not to attack corners too aggressively, lest excessively sharp turn-in makes a complete mess of things. Again, blame Cadillac’s luxury bias.
how nice of you to copy and paste only the negative comments about the car
look at the ratings they gave for is and cts-v





cts-v (design/desire/performance/ride/overall)
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/content/110808086636890395/
5/4/4/4/4
summary: Not your father's Caddy

IS350 (design/performance/ride/handling/desire)
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/content/11350239991324407406/
5/5/1/2/3
summary: Lexus loses its mojo. Again.

The reality here is that I would consider purchasing both automobiles, but for very different reasons. They are truly apples and oranges and Tim Currie (the poster of this thread) needs to decide where his personal taste reside and for what reasons--then purchase that automobile.

how nice of you to copy and paste only the negative comments about the car
look at the ratings they gave for is and cts-v





cts-v (design/desire/performance/ride/overall)
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/content/110808086636890395/
5/4/4/4/4
summary: Not your father's Caddy

IS350 (design/performance/ride/handling/desire)
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/content/11350239991324407406/
5/5/1/2/3
summary: Lexus loses its mojo. Again.

You have entirely missed the point of my quote from this obviously BMW biased author. If its not a BMW this guy will hate on it.

The same authors take on the CTSV (snip)

Dude seriously, you appear to be trying to justify your purchase of a IS350 over the V in every way possible. The negative only comments you post are them making comparisons to a car that cost 35-50K more than a V, where the IS350 loaded is in the same price as the V. Should we be suprised the M5 has better performance ?
Look darrelld you don't have to try and justify your purchase choice, it is your money. But at the same time the IS350 and the V are really not the same car, even though their price can be. You bought the IS, congrats. But trying to sell the car and your personal choice is a waste. I live in Dallas too, if you want to compare the machines head to head we can find a nice set of roads and see who is faster and handles the road better, if that's your main concern here. However you will not convince me that my choice of the V over the IS, which I looked at, was the wrong one. It just wasn't the car for me. Obviously in your case the IS was the better choice. Again congrats.

The reality here is that I would consider purchasing both automobiles, but for very different reasons. They are truly apples and oranges and Tim Currie (the poster of this thread) needs to decide where his personal taste reside and for what reasons--then purchase that automobile.

Agree, every review I have read from the BMW biased press always pits the IS350 against a Sport Packaged equipped 3.6 CTS.

Dude seriously, you appear to be trying to justify your purchase of a IS350 over the V in every way possible. The negative only comments you post are them making comparisons to a car that cost 35-50K more than a V, where the IS350 loaded is in the same price as the V. Should we be suprised the M5 has better performance ?
Look darrelld you don't have to try and justify your purchase choice, it is your money. But at the same time the IS350 and the V are really not the same car, even though their price can be. You bought the IS, congrats. But trying to sell the car and your personal choice is a waste. I live in Dallas too, if you want to compare the machines head to head we can find a nice set of roads and see who is faster and handles the road better, if that's your main concern here. However you will not convince me that my choice of the V over the IS, which I looked at, was the wrong one. It just wasn't the car for me. Obviously in your case the IS was the better choice. Again congrats.

:confused: I am simply posting my opinions in an online forum I have belonged to for over two years. Not really interested in any pissing contests.

:confused: I am simply posting my opinions in an online forum I have belonged to for over two years. Not really interested in any pissing contests.

Your time on this forum has zero bearing and what you post. Except possibly it should certainly show you understand what and how posts can be seen. I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest with you either. So let's stop the pissing in this thread.

You have entirely missed the point of my quote from this obviously BMW biased author. If its not a BMW this guy will hate on it.
his rating for the cts-v was actually good. He was raving about the car exception of those two paragraphs which isn't really much of a negativity rather a comparison to another vehicle.

I live in Dallas too, if you want to compare the machines head to head we can find a nice set of roads and see who is faster and handles the road better, if that's your main concern here. However you will not convince me that my choice of the V over the IS, which I looked at, was the wrong one. It just wasn't the car for me. Obviously in your case the IS was the better choice. Again congrats.

Just a friendly caution but I seriously hope you are not soliciting an illegal street race in a public forum. In Texas the penalties are a one year suspension of your license. I never street race under any circumstance.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/cqcgi?CQ_SESSION_KEY=YMYSDGTMAJCQ&CQ_QUERY_HANDLE=125052&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=1&CQ_TLO_DOC_TEXT=YES

Just a friendly caution but I seriously hope you are not soliciting an illegal street race in a public forum. In Texas the penalties are a one year suspension of your license. I never street race under any circumstance.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/cqcgi?CQ_SESSION_KEY=YMYSDGTMAJCQ&CQ_QUERY_HANDLE=125052&CQ_CUR_DOCUMENT=1&CQ_TLO_DOC_TEXT=YES

:confused: Not really interested in any pissing contests.

Dude, take your "friendly caution" and send it elsewhere. If your not interested in a pissing contest then why do you continue to piss in this thread ? As I suspected your just a bunch of talk. You're acting like a forum Troll, and if that's what 2 years as a member of this forum has taught you, that's pretty F'n sad. Besides the fact you're not even a Supporting Member of the forum. How about you save your veiled threats and spend some cash to help support the forum you've been a member of for two years.........:tisk:

Now if you want to be a dick, then "a nice set of roads" can be found here.



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