I woke up this morning, went down to my 'secured' gated underground parking to discover my car has been dragged out of its space with the front end messed up.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d25/downandloaded/ZoomOUt.jpg

Its obvoius that the huge F150 that parks next to me clipped it as he drove out and dragged it out. But no note or nothing.....except a FORD hubcap for a six-lug truck:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d25/downandloaded/DCP03690.jpg

So after I catch my breath I waled around to a lower level garage and found the truck:

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With a missing hubcab:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d25/downandloaded/DCP03700.jpg

So the cops came and did the whole CSI treatment and towed the suspect ruck to impound.

I only have liability, the car runs but not sure if I should drive it.
I need advice....should I rent a car and keep reciepts and HOPE they bust him and his insurance pays......what am I gonna do?

Its sucks big time because I am in the middle of a move to LA and I needed to be up there tomorrow with a Caddy full of stuff....

I have to buy a car for my wife in a month but I guess I can just go ahead and find something now and start using it.....this realy sucks.

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Wow man sorry!!!!

That REALLY sucks bigtime, and to top if off, your insurance wont cover it!
Atleast you found out who did it! :)
This sucks now, but in the end it will all work out fine!

I hope so....I feel sick.
This is really pissin me off...

No bad deed goes unpunished :sneaky:

Wow! People can really be *******s. I think you have enough evidince there that this should turn out ok. I mean how much more could the cops need. The guy was missing the hubcap that was sitiing next to your car. This is freaken crazy. :helpless:

Oh no!!!!

At least you found the guy who did it and at least the cops turned up.
They wouldn't in the UK.

I'd say stick a headlamp in it, do what you can with the bumper (don't want it coming off at speed) and get the alignment checked and have a mechanic take a quick look underneath.

Better safe than sorry.

Yeah.....the annoying thing is its low on oil.
(It has been), but now the hood is jammed and I cannot get it open to add oil....can you believe my luck??

Hey well my friends 1991 Eagle Talon TSi AWD goes through 5 quarts of oil a day!!!! and he just burned up his fuel pump, and his air intake tube was falling off constantly...and his ECU never works, and, theres other stuff too, but he keeps throwing money into it and driving it.. Secretely, I kinda hope that someone were to hit him when hes not in it, so they could total it out and give him the money. It's his daily driver and he cant drive it. So if this keeps up, he'll miss so much school, he'll flunk out and his work will fire him!

After seeing this, I have made a vow to never buy a DSM!

Not to detract from your post, I'm telling this in the hope that you will fell better :)

Well thanx...i still feel pretty crappy, but better :)

I guess I won't be buying a mitsubishi for my wife then.

I was gonna spend about 5g's on a car for her to put around in....sometime in February. But I guess I could just go buy one now and use it myself till she needs it or this gets settled.

Being the kinda guy I am, now I am focusing on the prospect of buying another car (for my wife) to lighten my mood.

a nice Eldorado ETC should do the trick!

Thats as bad as coming out to see your car missing. Both gives that horrible feeling in the pit of your stomach and makes you want to kill someone.

well...she wants:
-something small
-four doors
-automatic

(its her first car being a NYcity girl....)

We're in the Accord/Camry/Civic category here.....:hide:
She wants a SAAB and its in the price range, but its reliabilty record is spotty....and repairs not cheap.

There's the VW Golf, Nissan mid/sml cars etc to consider too.....we just wanted to spend more time looking for her car...dont wanna be rushed like this

sorry if I'm rushing you!
buying a car is not a process you want to rush at all.
Take your time, look around, look at everything you want as many times as you want

I almost bought a 1992 Honda Accord a couple of months ago, just as cheap, reliable transportation for college :)
Great cars I hear, just the total opposite of my Caddy.

Thats as bad as coming out to see your car missing. Both gives that horrible feeling in the pit of your stomach and makes you want to kill someone.

exaclty......this is how it went down

I went to the gate to pick up the moving company rep to let him so I can get a quote. And we're walkin and chatting when I notice a car in the middle of the driveway that looks kinda like mine......the moving guy is talkin but I am not listeneing anymore as I fast walk and notice it IS my car thats all fked up and layin in the driveway......its all been a blur, but when I found that truck I almost beat the crap out of it with my club....but didn;t want to complicate the issue and held back.

Again with my inner red neck not being allowed to do his thing.....I'm gonna be dreamin tonight!

sorry if I'm rushing you!
buying a car is not a process you want to rush at all.
Take your time, look around, look at everything you want as many times as you want
I almost bought a 1992 Honda Accord a couple of months ago, just as cheap, reliable transportation for college :)
Great cars I hear, just the total opposite of my Caddy.


No no I didn;t mean you're rushing me, its the situation that this dildo perp has put me in is rushing my purchase......(you know buy a car quick so I dont have to keep paying for rental that I may or may not be reimbursed for)

What happened to the pinhead with the F150? Did he claim he went to get help?

Yeah wow the exact same thing happened with my dad back in may

He was driving to the grocery store, and someone swerved to miss someone coming out of the grocery store parking lot, and they hit my dad head on in his '91 Mazda 626, totalling the car (duh!) so we were down to 2 cars for 2 months (mine and my mom's Lumina) and we had ordered a brand new Toyota Highlander that was due in the beginning of June, but that didnt come in until mid June. So we only had the Lumina and my deVille (which they never drive) for atleast 2 weeks so my dad had to decide whether to rent a car, and possibly have insurance pay or to go out and buy a cheap daily driver. (He would have gotten the rental right away, but my 16 year old brother was to get the Lumina when the Highlander came in, and my dad was to keep the 626, so dad got the Lumina after the highlander came in, so my brother got screwed out of that one.) So anyways, they got a Vibe as a rental car for a month, nice little car, got 28mpg in city(!) until the highlander came in in mid June.

Then about 2 weeks later, my brother backed into my passengers' side mirror with the highlander, and took a bit off paint off my car, and denting in the Highlander's rear quarter panel. Then about 3 weeks after that, the highlander got rear ended by a Legacy going about 8mph, nothing bad really, it just needed a new bumper cover and some other plastic panels.

So yeah it's been a tough year carwise for our family!

(sorry, I dont mean to steal this thread!)

Dude if the cops link it to that guy then his insurance will shell out for the work. No worries. Just make sure you ride those cops asses to get them to follow through. You have plenty of evidence that he did it.

Are there any security cameras in your garage?

Well, they don't have the driver yet all we have is his truck.

No cameras down there...it blows.

Hopefully he'll go down and see his tuck is gone, report it stolen and make his way down to the cops where he will be forced to explain himself and pay towing and impound costs.

According to the cops, the communication stream is now between me and my insurance company and then from my insurance company to the cops....

Talk about a clip...

sounds like time for a moltov cocktail to me

...yeah I wanna unleash the inner redneck....

Spoke to my adjuster now, she's gonna try and run his plates and get the ball rollin on the claim. But she thinks I should minimize the claim as much as possible by not renting the car if its driveable and not getting it repaired just yet....insurance company talk!

Funny how all my ads on CF are now Geico Insurance!

...yeah I wanna unleash the inner redneck....
Spoke to my adjuster now, she's gonna try and run his plates and get the ball rollin on the claim. But she thinks I should minimize the claim as much as possible by not renting the car if its driveable and not getting it repaired just yet....insurance company talk!

Funny how all my ads on CF are now Geico Insurance!

Minimize the claim???!!! Sounds like its obvious whos at fault. If I were you, I'd go down to the "exotic car rental" lot and pick out a nice toy to drive until this bastard decides to show up. Screw him and his insurance, squeeze every dime out of them that you can!

You mentioned it was a "secured parking garage". Is this associated with an apartment building or something? Is there any way you could use a parking tag number to help find out this guy's identity. If all else fails, demand the offenders truck as compensation for repairs. :thumbsup:

Well. I now know it IS the big Russian dude, his name is Ilya Chreknyvosnkobitch or something. And I know he's living aboveing me in C-412. I did some sleuthing around and spoke to a neighbor who happens to be some military/govt special ops/intelligence or something, and he says this dude is dangerous and he thinks he;s either a mobster or ex-KGB or something. He also told me this ******* was partying really loud till 2-3 AM today.

So he must have been drunk.

What an *******, looks like he came home drunk. I am Ukrainian and believe me, russians/ukrainians (same thing) drink vodka on a regular normal basis. Your car atleast isn't damaged internally. Make sure this shit head ******* doesn't try to change the story, my ppl will do that. I hope you didn't touch that center cap, or anything else on your car, you don't want to put any finger prints on (just makin sure). Don't make this a bigger problem than it is, you have much bigger things to worry about. Hope all goes well for you!! Good Luck!! Make sure the cops have a REAL nice talk with him.

hmmm who is a big russian's worst enemy???

James Bond! Thats who

They are not the ppl you want to get into shit with. My parents don't even like talkin much to ppl frum the same coutry as them cuz they are the biggest cock suckers. This guy will deny everything and he will make up some other story garaunteed. They'll never admit to thier own actions.

Maybe its a good thing you're moving, hence this recent news of the opponent having such a "secret background" (if thats indeed true).


But first off, I am saddened by what has happened to your DeVille though. She will rise again!

Atleast the police are on your side. And yeah, like caddeville said, they're quite the bunch to get in a conflict with. :yawn:

They are not the ppl you want to get into shit with. I have heard that too, maybe Chuck Norris could help!!!

(see below thread)

LOL!

Yeah my Ukranian and Romanian buddies tell me the exact same thing.....just my luck it couldn't be some stand up citizen but some dildo like this.

I'd be lucky to get this thing repaired without having to spend my own $ on it.....sigh....

I'm not above taking a baseball bat to his ride if it comes down to it.....

yes, but an angry russian may take said baseball bat to your ride or even worse, your body!

who is a big angry russians worst enemy?????

Yeah...bottom line, it ain't worth it.

I coould be out a couple grand, hopefully not.

I've learned to get full coverage from now on......

you should get the "angry drunken russian coverage"

just like cloud insurance....

Peter: That's what you said about that cloud insurance. Look at them up there...plotting.
(cut to a scene of two clouds with mouths)
Cloud 1: So Bill, we attack tomorrow.
Cloud 2: Yes...tomorrow
(pause)
Cloud 1: I mean it this time.
Cloud 2: I do too.

i understand u're angry right now, i would be too. but i dont appreciate all those "russians" comments, not cool :thehand: (i'm russian. me, my dad and all of our russian friends are responsible drivers). but besides that i dont care who that guy is, but he deserves to get his knee shot out with a .45 so he'll remember that day every time he steps on his leg :thepan:

Pimpin whity

I have nothing against russians :)
just this one in particular sounds like a real *******

i understand u're angry right now, i would be too. but i dont appreciate all those "russians" comments, not cool :thehand: (i'm russian. me, my dad and all of our russian friends are responsible drivers). but besides that i dont care who that guy is, but he deserves to get his knee shot out with a .45 so he'll remember that day every time he steps on his leg :thepan:

Sorry if I came off like that, trust me was not my intent.
I have great friends from Russia too.

I Don't really have anythin against my ppls. Just the 80% that think they are eveything. You should hear how they talkin about Canada over there. I was in Ukraine in April and on the world map, ukraine seems to be almost the same size as canada? Ukraine in reality is the size of BC. They also think they have the best tech and all and the cars THEY make are the best and so on. I laughed the entire time i was over there, ****in clowns. You guys (that are russian) should have watched the russian news on satillite, if you saw what the government was trying to do, you'd shit your pants laughing.

well.....I hope the guy went down to the cops tonight to get his truck and in exchange coughed up his insurance info, so that I can get this taken care of ASAP.

What a freakin hassle.

I did some 'leg work' and found out that for sure that he indeed lives in unit c412. So right now the officers are coming over to cover me while I go knock on his door to see if he will give up the information willingly.
Wish me luck....

The dude did not contact the cops or claim his cair out of impound....

Good luck man!

I Hope he isnt like this:

http://www.garnersclassics.com/pics/mnraker/jawsteth.jpg
http://www.moviepropking.com/jaws.h3.jpg

LOL!
Yeah...well the cops were just here, we went and knocked on his door but wouldnt answer so they are gonna try again later.

Saga continues...

I went ahead and arranged for a rental......I hope I get reimbursed.
Turns out a deville costs 40$ a day to rent, same price as a SUV
So I decided to go with the SUV since I am in the middle of the move and need the space/wanna tru something different.

The insurance comany insisted I should get a comparable car.
So a deville for a deville should be as comparable as they get.....and since the SUV is the same price as the deville I think I should be covered.....I'm not so sure though.

You guys think I will be getting screwed for this? SHould I be renting the cheapest possible thing I can get? Like a compact for 20 bucks or something?

BTW the full size is 33$ a week....no big difference.

you should be ok on the rental ...

Didnt realize they impounded his truck ....thats a good first step ....if it comes back set it on fire ...if someones asks about it just say "didnt those fords have a fire hazzard from the cruise controll?" ....

Im still disturbed this happend to you dude , any word on the estimate to fix yet ? the way the resale on these work i imagine it will be a total

God I hope not.....I haven't driven it all, its just sitting there for now.
Looking at the damage I think the bumper/grill and sourrounding pieces are the only thing that need to be replaced....hopefully around 3-4 grand.

The book value (dealer trade in) is about 4 grand or so.....its gonna be a close call. If I get the money I will goto the junk yard and cobble it back together somehow.

I just spoke to a neighbor that knows them.
Apprently the wife is pregnant and went home to Russia 2 weeks ago to give birth. And the guy was gonna go after the child was born.

Since his other neighbor says he was up till early morning partying the day of the accident I am wondering if he was celebrating the birth, got trashed, hit and run, then hopped a flight and dissapeared hoping it would blow over by the time he got back.

OR, it was someone else partying and crashing his truck.....

either way this is gonna take some freakin time.....good lord.

Stoney when are you comin to Cali? Come help me unleash the inner redneck on this guys truck ;)

Stoney when are you comin to Cali? Come help me unleash the inner redneck on this guys truck ;)
possibly summer ....been distracted lately .....because of a girl .....most likely ill still go in the sumer tho , as i dont think she will ever come around ...but im gonna ride the wave as far as it goes to make sure she isnt "the one" ....its uncanny what we have in common , to the point of scary , never come across this before ...

reminds me i need to give that school a call and see why they havent sent me anything , i need an idea on what all i can get done before i go out there so i dont show up cold

as far as value , it goes by what it would cost you to replace the car , so dont use trade in but low retail in NADA ....NADA is what the banks use ...kelly is what the dealers use as a wepaon against you

retail is about 10G's and private party sale is like 7800.....so even a low ball should be 6500-7500 and I don't think it should cost that much to fix...unless theres some serious damage I dont see....maybe airbag related.

Well I dont know about that powerglide, my accident would have cost $4200 if I went through a trusted body shop. It was kind of like your collision, but not as bad
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/753000-753999/753753_24_full.jpg

BREAK IN THE CASE!

So I swung by the perps apt just now on the way back from the pool, and lo and behold someone answered the door!

It his room mate, and he's acting like a stand-up guy.
But the story is shady.....actually exactly what the cops said will happen.

He claims, someone took the keys and did the hit and run and they just noticed today. (the cop told me, the perp usually dissapears for a couple days, consults a lawyer who advises them to say they dont know who was driving.) This then allows him to get his truck out of impound and the case becomes a civil case not a criminal case, and they cops stop working on it. Then its up to me to sue him, and prove that its his fault, then somehow get paid......I certainly hope it doesnt resort to this.

The actual owners is supposed to call me tomorrow to set things right......got my fingers crossed.

Unfortunatley I have to be in LA for business for a week....so I rented a vehichle already.....what a hassle.

Sorry to hear about your Deville. Hopefully the guy will offer up some money or the information to his insurance company so that you can get them to pay for it. Good luck and best wishes for a good end to all of this. Have a safe drive.

UPDATE:

Owner of the car was supposed to call me today but did not (surprise)
SO I knocked on his door again, and lo and behold he's there....but very cheeky with info.
First of al he didn't even tell me he was the guy I was looking for, I had to ask a bunch of times.
Then he wouldnt tell me his insurance info, he kept insisting he wasn't driving it.

I used my salesman technique to get him to spill his beans about what company he has insuarnce through!
Got it, then I got his full name correctly spelled, then his phone number.

I turned that right oved to my insurance company, and hopefully the ball wil begin to roll......

In the meantime I got a rental. I was surprsed to find that delivered me a Brand New Durango Black/Black leather, with a HEMI!
I 'accidentally' did a burn out in the rental company parking lot....this thing has crazy torque. Its really quick. I was impressed.
I like riding high up above the traffic, but the handling sucks.

In fact, taking a high speed turn, a small bump will cause the rear end to hop sideways, making it real dangerous on fast crowded freeways.
Plus its HUGE, hard to park. Surprising the space inside isn't that big. My caddy has more room up fron than this thing.

Cool ride though....I'm diggin it.

Hows the Hemi compare to the Northstar?

Compared to my northstar, this Hemi's got more low end torque.
Its almost twitchy, like you step into and unles you're careful it'll burn out.
I don't think I'd wanna drive a RWD version of this thing in the rain or snow without some kind of traction/stability control.

Higher up in the revs, its still pulling hard but I think the N* is more rev happy than this thing. My car seems to pick up second wind up at high rpm (kinda like a VTEC) and keeps on pulling, this thing is stil pulling but feels like driving a car without overdrive.....engine reving, noise increasing, but power output doesn't follow along.

Don't get me wrong, its fast. I was going 90 in a heartbeat.

any leads on this Powerglide?

things are worse now.......

The a-hole is no longer talking to me. He hangs up when he hears my voice.
Truck still impounded, caddy still fkd up, my useless adjuster still hasnt' come to take pics....in fact she doesnt return my calls.

Cops say its being processed and will be assigned to a detective in a few days...

mean time I am in LA spending all day looking for apts....they are all so expensive and so crappy.

The stupid Durango brakes malfunctioned. The lights are on, ABS lights fliashing, caused me to rear end a dude.

The dude's little tercel got no damage whatsoever, so he told me all is good and drove off. (thank god) But somehow the Durango bumper is split and bent.....

All I can say is...things COULD be worse.

things are worse now.......

The anal cavity is no longer talking to me. He hangs up when he hears my voice.
Truck still impounded, caddy still fkd up, my useless adjuster still hasnt' come to take pics....in fact she doesnt return my calls.

Cops say its being processed and will be assigned to a detective in a few days...

mean time I am in LA spending all day looking for apts....they are all so expensive and so crappy.

The stupid Durango brakes malfunctioned. The lights are on, ABS lights fliashing, caused me to rear end a dude.

The dude's little tercel got no damage whatsoever, so he told me all is good and drove off. (thank god) But somehow the Durango bumper is split and bent.....

All I can say is...things COULD be worse.

I hope things get better for ya man. Also the dickwad who hit you will get whats coming to him sooner or later.

That DeVille is perfectly driveable!

bungee cord the bumper up and replace the turn signal bulb with an amber bulb and tape it to the bumper so you have a turn signal and the car is driveable, if you are not driving at night, don't need a headlight, otherwise rig up the headlight in a similar way.

Gosh.. guess there are no rednecks in LA :)

That sucks big time though, its so obvious, yet it sounds like you are gonna get screwed.... ah man, hope it all works out.

I figured its time for an update.

Its been a long time, but the last repair on my beloved Deville was completed today. (alignment)

It is now finally back to its glorious self....well for the most part.
(Since I paid out of pocket to keep the cost down, I had to cut corners doing almost all my own repairs, use eBay parts, decide to live with hairline crack in grill and small dents on fender and hood)

I'm suing the perp to recover my out of pocket expenses and money to get the dents and grill fixed. The showdown is set for early April!

Should be a slam dunk case, but actually getting the money out of this scumbag is another story altogether.

I figured its time for an update.

Its been a long time, but the last repair on my beloved Deville was completed today. (alignment)

It is now finally back to its glorious self....well for the most part.
(Since I paid out of pocket to keep the cost down, I had to cut corners doing almost all my own repairs, use eBay parts, decide to live with hairline crack in grill and small dents on fender and hood)

I'm suing the perp to recover my out of pocket expenses and money to get the dents and grill fixed. The showdown is set for early April!

Should be a slam dunk case, but actually getting the money out of this scumbag is another story altogether.

Best of luck man.I feel ya,my Brougham is just now getting new bumpers put on after about 3 and half months of looking hideous.The things we do for our Caddys...

Hope you get your money. My grandmother is suing somebody for not repaying a loan which is admittedly owed. Still, it's a pain in the ass.

My car should be going back together soon, I have everything I need to make it perfect except a damn front bumper cover (and a switchcover and ETC symbol.) I'm thinking of stealing a car and rear-ending an Eldorado in town just so there will be one in a junkyard.

Ah man, what a douche! What was he thinking anyway? I mean you pull out wrong, you clip somebody... and then you STOP when you realize you've hit something. That looks like he tied the front of your car to his frame and floored it to see how big a chunk would come off.

I wouldn't retaliate with a bat to the thing even if things don't go your way. Best not to let anyone have something on you, though I'll not mention the bologna on the pa--uhh anyway...:D

Hope you get him. I've seen far too many instances of the innocent person getting the shaft. If it comes down to court, I'd check into the guy that was supposedly driving... Ask who was driving...who did he give the keys to... If he says it was "stolen," it can be examined for tampering/hot wiring. Someone has to be accountable... Anyway, you probably have a handle on it. Best of luck.

Very interesting story. This guy sounds like a real dick to deal with. Best of luck to you. People like that should be put in a gas chamber and killed...:thumbsup:

I would punch that ****er right in the ****in throat! If he doesnt pay up punch him in the throat once a week until he does. Im sure the courts could garnish his wages also. If you cant fight- pay someone to punch him the throat.

I went to court on Tuesday and the a-hole didn't show. (surprise)
But I had all the paperwork and the professional serving company I hired to serve the court papers provided a written statement that he had been served, so the trial continued without him.
Judge weighed all the evidence, awarded me all the damages PLUS legal fees PLUS my time (@125$/hour). Apparently time is usually never included in cases like these but the judge said "the evidence of malfescence is overwheling, therefore I am awarding you for your time you spent dealing with this case"
Now comes the hard part......actually collecting the debt.

But where did it run off to!

Always too late with the jokes.

that sucks that had to happen to you man.

Well, since the cops showed up, you should have or get a claim# from them.

That claim # is what you have to give to your insurance company. It was clearly NOT your fault! Even though you have liability, YOUR insurance is not the person who has to pay for it. It has to be the Ford guys insurance company that has to pay for it!!

This exact problem happen to my buddy last year. My buddy only had liability, but the other guys insurance (guy who hit him), had to pay for it.

Anyways, the only downside is, "IF" that guy with the Ford has only liability insurance, then thats when you might have a problem. Hopefully he will have full coverage, so then his insurance company will pay for your damages.

BUT, if he ONLY has liability, and he doesnt want to fork out his own money to pay for your damages, then take his ass to court and sue him. I know this sounds like too much crap to deal with, but at least you get your car fixed AND get more money out of it.

You are smart and took pics that you posted here. These are the pics that if you do take him to court to sue him, show these pics to the judge. It clearly shows that his truck is the one that hit you, and he moved it to another level. What a dumbass.

There's A LOT more I can say about this situation, but I wont go too far.
He can even lie, and said that he didnt do it, and that somebody must've stole his truck, and did it, etc etc. Anyways, you get the idea.

Good luck and let us know the outcome of what happens. :thumbsup:

Wow. disregard everything I just said above. ^^^^^^^^^

I got mad when I read your post, and wanted to reply right away without realizing there was 4 pages on this thread. haha.

What a scumball.
That guy would have been doomed.
Just like when some ****ball stole my trailer,
They came back the next night after some bait I left out..
I sat there, house dark, 10PM until 2AM real quiet like a hunting dog

Caught 'em, was shocked at there being five, scared me to death.. one of them was on his way over to me to do god knows what and I cocked my pistol.. three of them ran the other two sauntered off non chalant like idiots.

Unknown to them my pistol had jammed,
Thank the lord they didn't know.
If it'd not have jammed I'd held at least one of them for the officers.
I'm never going to own a saturday night special again. Ever.


I should have gone out with the shotgun
OR
Waited quietly for the police to catch 'em



I think the trash lived nearby too because the police dragged the area lookin for *****s on foot and found no one






Damned thieves and crooks
Had a hit and run on a car one time too..
A little Nissan I bought for $950 (Bought to sell)
still doubled my money on it though.




If the ******* had liability,
It will pay for your losses... that is what it is for.
"Liability only" coverage covers what you do to someone else