: Which cars have the worst paint?



SilverFleetwood85
12-30-05, 06:59 PM
I had a white 1991 Acura Legend coupe, the car was (i sold it) in really good shape, the paint just did not hold up. The car swirled really easily and the paint was already oxidized on certain parts of the hood and roof. As a rule I wax my cars every month and wash them every week. No matter what I did I could not get rid of the oxidation and the swirls, I even used my porter cable on it, nothing worked.

I see other Acura/Honda products do the same thing as mine but usually worse, where the entire car gets a chalky appearance. I vote Acura has the worst paint out of all the Japanese luxury brands. The car cost $30,000 new and cars that cost much less don't do this.

90Brougham350
12-30-05, 11:14 PM
80's Chryslers, and late 80's early 90's GM. Horrible!

GOTTSPD
12-30-05, 11:28 PM
Ford's paint (at least in the late '80's) wasn't good either. My dad's Bronco had large sections of paint that just came off. When day I was standing on the running board and noticed that there was a softball sized section on the roof that had no paint at all!

My wife's old Nissan Altima had some really weak paint too. Very thin.

SilverFleetwood85
01-01-06, 05:37 PM
Ford had really bad paint in the 80s because my dad had an 89 Taurus and all the top surfaces of the car began to turn white (it looked like it had racing stripes). Now I see Fords from the 90s and early 2000s that have paint where the clear coat is cracking. Yeah GM and Chrysler had their horrible years for paint problems too.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-01-06, 06:42 PM
Mid 80's- Early '90s Domestics in general. I think Ford had it worst, but I hear that the early '90s GM cars have it bad, especially when in a dark color (Nightwolf) its very sad to see :(

mccombie_5
01-01-06, 07:15 PM
My Rovers were terrible for it.

Particularly on a 1993 214i I had. It was like this from new, but heres a picture taken in the summer before my sister got rid.

If you look closely enough, on the bumper at the right hand side, there is a patch of the paint that is whiter than the rest.

It was all over the front of the bumper, I didnt notice until a few weeks after delivery, took it back to the dealer and their response was "You signed for it, theyre all like that, your problem"

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/3thecrate.jpg

Elvis
01-01-06, 09:24 PM
Ford had really bad paint in the 80s because my dad had an 89 Taurus and all the top surfaces of the car began to turn white (it looked like it had racing stripes). Now I see Fords from the 90s and early 2000s that have paint where the clear coat is cracking. Yeah GM and Chrysler had their horrible years for paint problems too.

I'll second that about Fords. After only three years they got chalky. The rubberized paint on the bumpers peeled easily too.

Night Wolf
01-02-06, 12:09 AM
All of GM's early basecoat/clear coat paints.

Starting around 1987 or so... it was all the colors... the silver on my '89 Oldsmobile was totally shot.

by the early 90's it was just the darker colors...

the Slate Bronze Metallic on the '93 Coupe is getting worse and worse everyday... looks like crap.

Sandy
01-02-06, 12:12 AM
Volkswagons & Isuzu

davesdeville
01-02-06, 07:39 AM
No question. Corsicas. White ones especially. The 95s got a little better, the final year 96 the paint was actually pretty good. But before that it was a nightmare. GM actually offered to have many them repainted, and when GM does something like that you know it was a bad problem.

mccombie_5
01-02-06, 07:40 AM
Volkswagons & Isuzu

Older Volkswagens yes, I do believe the Isuzus don't look great, or at least the Troopers have galvanised steel panels, they are nearly 5mm thick, and that may be why the paint is hammerite looking.

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
01-02-06, 08:34 AM
Late 80s anything american.

My IROC is a good example.

For a while they made them in Norwood, Ohio as well as Van Nuys, California.
If you get one from Norwood the paint will likely be ok.
If you get a Van Nuys car (which they all were from 88 on) you will get your clear coat turning white and paint flaking off.

The reason for it is the tyype of poaint used.
The Van Nuys cars used water based paint as it is more enviromentally friendly and they just didn't get the composition right first time. It was early days though.

I had to get my 88 IROC resprayed last year.


Mind you, paint on most mass produced modern cars is scary thin.
I noticed it on the Ford Focus, on edges (eg of the doors) it can be so thin you can polish through it.

mccombie_5
01-02-06, 08:41 AM
Good point.

Also the 1992-4 Pre Facelift Vauxhall Astras.

My GSi was ok, but the lower models had terrible paint.

Jesda
01-02-06, 08:53 AM
Chevys from the end of the Roger Smith era. Awful.
Early 90s Chryslers in black or purple.
Acura Legends
Dodge Caravans in certain colors.
80s and early 90s Honda Accords -- While the paint didnt flake or peel, it was a very thin layer that faded easily. The rust problem made the paint problem seem like nothing.

Randy_W
01-02-06, 09:11 AM
You guys are missing the common thread, mid eighties to early ninties, brand doesn't matter. The paint companies were scrambling to meet the new EPA standards while maintaining a glossy finish. The chemistry just wasn't up to the challange yet. It had zero to do with who screwed the car together, it was just a matter of technology catching up.;)

70eldo
01-02-06, 10:08 AM
You guys are missing the common thread, mid eighties to early ninties, brand doesn't matter. The paint companies were scrambling to meet the new EPA standards while maintaining a glossy finish. The chemistry just wasn't up to the challange yet. It had zero to do with who screwed the car together, it was just a matter of technology catching up.;)

Yup, they had to leave out the lead in the paint to meet EPA standards. That screwed up the quality. I think they finally improved that with new technologies in new additives. But you can only tell in 10 years from now...

Night Wolf
01-02-06, 11:49 AM
You guys are missing the common thread, mid eighties to early ninties, brand doesn't matter. The paint companies were scrambling to meet the new EPA standards while maintaining a glossy finish. The chemistry just wasn't up to the challange yet. It had zero to do with who screwed the car together, it was just a matter of technology catching up.;)

Yeah... pretty much. :)

terrible one
01-02-06, 12:01 PM
earlier nissan 240sx

90Brougham350
01-02-06, 02:00 PM
So is there a definitive list of dates when the new paint was being used? Was it all at once integrated or was it by different colors over a period of time or what? I want to know, my 90 was built in late '89.

Night Wolf
01-02-06, 03:51 PM
I would have to say *MOST* (not all) cars made from ~1985-~1995 that had basecoat/clear coat paint.

I know my mothers '89 Brougham has Laquer (according to the sticker) yet my '89 Oldsmobile had BC/CC

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
01-02-06, 04:51 PM
What's the difference between Clear Coat and Laquer?

I assumed it was just a different term for the same thing.
Just goes to show, you should assume nothing!

Night Wolf
01-02-06, 08:16 PM
Laquer is paint that has been used for years. Basically it is a single layer... paint goes on, it gets buffed up and its good to go.

Base coat/clear coat is just that... dual stage. The base coat is the color stage and the clear coat then goes ontop of the BC, it is... well, clear, and it gives the shine and protection the BC needs to look good and last.

Most everyone says BC/CC is superior, and I want to believe that, and on newer cars (~1995+) the paint seems to hold up quite well.

Also with BC/CC if you get a scratch, and it dosn't go into the BC, it can be fixed pretty easy. It is alot more easy to touch up too.

They also claim that BC/CC lasts much longer then Laquer....

Although it does offer a much better shine and gloss.

I just have a hard time personally standing up for the BC/CC because.... well, BOTH of my cars that have BC/CC, the paint was/is now trashed.... yet my 28 y/o car with Laquer paint... is, well still there, decent shine and no problems out of the normal.

Here is my '89 Oldsmobile soon afte I got her.... this was around 12/03.

The paint on the hood, roof and trunk was just ruined... no more clear coat. Yet the sides of the car looked good, still shiney... hell I even waxed the sides once just for fun.... the sun oxidizes the CC.

http://inoventionseast.com/Oldsmobile/PDR_0056-2.JPG

While this picture was more of me getting my car stuck in my own driveway.... yeah.... but it does show the hood better... the paint was just gone. Also there is the damage from me side-swiping the telephone poll (driver side)

http://inoventionseast.com/Oldsmobile/PDR_0125.JPG

So with the crappy paint, damage to the driver side, then it got hit in the right quater panel.... I took it to my vo-tec where the kids did a half-assed job at the body work (well, that came out good) and all new BC/CC paint (PPG Omni) so now it looks nice again...

http://inoventionseast.com/Oldsmobile/PDR_0205.JPG

Of course here is the '93 Coupe:

Shortly after I got it... well, the 2nd season when I had the new wheels and tires on...

http://inoventionseast.com/test/PDR_0250.JPG

This is the worst spot.. the CC is actually gone in the center now... well, now it is MUCH worse... it goes all the way back to the vinyl top and far forward.... the other side on the roof is doing the same, as well as multiple spots on the trunk, rear panel between rear window and trunk lid, the tops of both fenders, and now the hood.....

http://inoventionseast.com/1993%20DeVille/2005_0819/PDR_0143.JPG

spot on trunk... alot worse now...

http://inoventionseast.com/1993%20DeVille/2005_0819/PDR_0154.JPG

Yet this is the origanal Laquer paint on my '79 DeVille.... go figure.

http://inoventionseast.com/1979%20DeVille/door/PDR_0194.JPG

caddeville
01-02-06, 09:29 PM
My dads 87 deville shines like new and doesn't have any white spots like ricks 93 (not trying to piss u off). I was gettin real worried about that last summer. The car also has never been garaged. My friend bought an pearl white 89 eldorado for 400$ canadian and the paint was peeling off of the primer due to the fact that it is waterbased. The car has 95,000 miles on it and has been garaged half of its life. Urathane paint is easy to polish, u don't have to worry about going through to the base when wet sanding, cuz it builds up quite thick. We use urathane on some flat colored cars. I looked at a 2006 mustang saleen today, and the paint is orange pealy, it doesn't shine much on the sides. The car is 58,000$ cad.:helpless: Ford was the worst in the 80's, you could literally peel a strip of paint off.