Happy Holidays to everyone and thank you for your participation in the Cadillac MotorSport, Ltd CTS Hugger Header package for the 3.6 and 3.2 platform.

Based on initial order inquiry; the price of the package and it's associated Stage 8 mounting hardware and gasket package has been set at: $1695.00 plus UPS insured shipping.

Preliminary orders for the 3.2 platform outweigh the 3.6 engine platform by a 2:1 margin as the associated manufacturing costs for the flange decks as "new construction" and the daily commodity pricing of stainless steel suggests that we set a "maximum price ceiling" on this GROUP BUY at the initial estimated $1695.00

Therefore; If you are "still in"; you must email us directly at sales@cadillacmotorsports.com (sales@cadillacmotorsports.com) with your "firm committment to purchase" by December 30, 2005.

Failure to do so; will upset the final price to all of those remaining on this Group Buy.

Please remember that this is not an "off the shelf" retail item", but a custom fabricated package where labor hours drive final pricing. So in the interest of your fellow Forum Members; please be sensitive to that December 30, 2005 date.

ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES EXTENDED GROUP BUY PURCHASE DATE & EXTENDED 50% DOWN PAYMENT DATE.

I have decided in the interest of those who have decided to "move forward" with firm purchase committments to extend the offer to purchase this package at $1695 to December 30, 2005.

Simply stated; if you were "on the fence" and did not order and still want in on this Group Buy; all you have to do is email us directly that you want to purchase the Cadillac MotorSport Hugger Header Package at $1695

By doing so; you may help your fellow Cadillac Forum members in a variety of ways:

Additional orders may lower the final net cost to all participants

You have a final opportunity to participate in this Group Buy. Remember that your not just purchasing a custom set of headers and high flow cats. You are also receiving a complete installation kit that includes the Header Gasket Kit, Cat Gasket Kit and the Stage 8 self locking Header Bolts. The Headers are extrude honed and Jet-Hot Coated. No one can do this at this price.

Finally, I will extend the 50% deposit date to January 13, 2006
So to summarize the above; please note the following instructions:


For those who have already placed there "preliminary interest orders"; on the 3.6 or 3.2 Hugger Header package the price has been set at $1695.00 and your 50% deposit will be due by the extended date of January 13, 2006.

You must email your final purchase committment as to whether you are "in or out" by December 30, 2005 and note that your 50% deposit must be received by January 13, 2006

For those who "were on the fence", you may still place a "firm order" for either the 3.6 or 3.2 Hugger Header package and your purchase order must be received by Cadillac MotorSports by the extended close date of December 30, 2005 and your 50% deposit must be received by January 13, 2006
Finally; all 50% deposits must be received "in hand" by January 13, 2006.


VERY IMPORTANT ORDER & COMMUNICATION PORTAL:

All group buy order committments from those who initially participated in this Group Buy as well as those who have now decided to participate by placing a "firm order to purchase" must be directed to:

sales@cadillacmotorsports.com (sales@cadillacmotorsports.com)


*Do not place any inquiries, questions or orders on the Cadillac Forum as they will not be read, viewed or responded to by any means.

All communication regarding this Group Buy affects every participant and it is imperataive that all communication be directed to Cadillac MotorSports, Ltd.

I firmed up my order:bouncy: Pete pushed some dates out for possible extra orders. I hope that doesn't affect our shipment dates?!

I just firmed up mine as well.

just gave him mine...looks like deposit will be the 850 originally intended unless anything changes...

Ok, so its Dec. 30th, can we go ahead and send in our money, or is Pete going to contact us?

Ok, so its Dec. 30th, can we go ahead and send in our money, or is Pete going to contact us?
I'm assuming he's going to contact us. We have until 1/13 to send the deposit, so we should hear from him within the next 2 weeks

I would hope so. I would send him my check, but I don't even have the address to send it too.

I e-mailed Pete at his home regarding your concerns. Hopefully he will so post some answers or he may send individual e-mails. I bet he opts for the short cut.

Hey Guys:

Bob is right......Please don't worry about the deposits.

We'll worry about it when we need your money!

Now when was the last time you heard a company say that?

Here's our schedule:

This weekend will be a busy one for us while we are closed. We will tally up all of the final firm orders on both the 3.6 platform and the 3.2 platform and place the commodity order for the stainless steel to fabricate the headers.

Sometime by the middle of next week you will be sent an electronic invoice for your 50% deposit.

You will have several options of how to make your deposit.

You may mail a personal check, a money order or use our secure server and pay by credit card.

You will have until January 13, 2006 to make your 50% Deposit.

We extended the participation date and the deposit date to allow as many people to participate in this Group Buy as possible given the fact that the Christmas Holiday puts a "stretch" on everyone's budget.

If there is anyone out there who would like to participate, but money is an issue due to the Christmas season, PLEASE contact me ASAP at:

sales@cadillacmotorsports.com

I cannot make any promises to you at this time, but if there are enough people that still have interest and timing is bad for them; we may be able to work with you.

My plan is to put them on a charge card then use my Income Tax Refund to pay off the credit card.

ah yes, taxes. man i can't wait to get that back. with no dependants and being single, i get bent over by claming "0" across the boards. luckily i get a lot back...thanks for reminding me about that...

i was starting to wonder about the deposits though...glad to hear something. reckon i;ll just wait for the invoice. how cool would it be if pete stocked these? they'd be on already!

If Pete had these in stock, I'd have driven to his shop, paid cash, and had them on the following weekend! I don't know why, but I'm more excited about these than Christmas. I paid more for a new mainsail that I just ordered for my boat, but there's no where near the anticipation of getting that, than these headers.

Looking forward to these headers as well, or the perfomance it will due.

Does anyone plan on gutting the cats for the extra horsepower?

If Pete had these in stock, I'd have driven to his shop, paid cash, and had them on the following weekend! I don't know why, but I'm more excited about these than Christmas. I paid more for a new mainsail that I just ordered for my boat, but there's no where near the anticipation of getting that, than these headers.

Ody,
You probably know that a 3.2 Hugger doesn't exist anywhere in the world. CMS will do the very first one..probably yours:thumbsup:

You talk to Pete anymore about the polishing and plenum work? What's he charge?

Does anyone plan on gutting the cats for the extra horsepower?

I don't think there are any gains there as CMS has designed these for max flow. Besides I'd hate to take a torch to these beauties and cut them in half.
A friend of mine did gut his resonator so it looked stock. Did the same on his mufflers. It was a V.

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/Headers2-3.jpg

I haven't talked to him yet about it, but I'm sure that will be next. I've also cotemplated buying a used 3.2L engine, pulling the heads and intake to send to CMS for porting and polishing. That way there's minimal downtime on my car. I'm also awaiting his ESC. I'm going to break something (trans, diff, axle, etc) sooner or later! LOL

Having the first set of 3.2L huggers would suit me just fine, since my car is one of the first built (second month of production). I'll even pay the full amount up front (screw the 50% deposit), just to be first in line!

Gutting the cats is questionable regarding gains, and they'd likely only be near the redline. An X pipe would serve better. With high flow cats, power and flow are maximized without screwing up the O2 sensor readings required by the Bosch ECU. I'd prefer to keep it emission friendly while roasting my tires! I want more area under the torque curve, not just max RWHP!

Buy a used 3.6L Ody, that would be quite the mod! :alchi:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-Cadillac-CTS-Engine-Low-Miles-3-6L_W0QQitemZ8023452732QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageName ZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

lol, good point ya'll. Who makes a good X-pipe that will go onto the Borla exhaust system?

Buy a used 3.6L Ody, that would be quite the mod! :alchi:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-Cadillac-CTS-Engine-Low-Miles-3-6L_W0QQitemZ8023452732QQcategoryZ33615QQssPageName ZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Here's a pic of the Ebay 3.6VVT Not to late to change your Hugger order Ody.:bouncy: :D
http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/3.6VVT.jpg

Ha, the pics on the eBay listing for a 3.6L engine are of a 3.2L! I wonder what else would need to be updated to get that motor to work in a 3.2L car with the 5 speed.

Actually, I've seen quite a few low-mileage used V's in the mid-30's lately. I doubt that any of them were pampered, though. LOL I'd love a V, but it's just not practical for my 25k to 30k miles each year for business. The CTS is my daily driver. Having two CTS's would be silly. I think if I wanted a high HP toy as a second car, I'd get a C6. 400 HP in a 3250 lb package.

If I could find a Blue 6-speed 3.6L car for a decent price and low miles (so I can transfer all of my new bodywork to it), it might be an option. I'd also bring over the Nav, the 18" Mille Miglias, and the yet to be mounted 14" Brembos. I guess the Eibachs, FE4's and V sway bars would also have to come off. Too much work. I'll settle for Pete's headers!

lol, good point ya'll. Who makes a good X-pipe that will go onto the Borla exhaust system?

Borla makes them. I don't know which is which but here's some pics

Thanks Robert, I'll have to call them up and see what they say. Although it might be a pain getting it on since the exhaust for the 3.2L comes with the resonator.

Thanks Robert, I'll have to call them up and see what they say. Although it might be a pain getting it on since the exhaust for the 3.2L comes with the resonator.

SDMarine did it on the 3.6 with both resonators and X-pipe.

Yes, but SDMarine had a total custom exhaust system, piping and everything. My Borla is sitting at home waiting for me. I'm just curious how much it would cost to cut out the resonator and put in an x-pipe.

Yes, but SDMarine had a total custom exhaust system, piping and everything. My Borla is sitting at home waiting for me. I'm just curious how much it would cost to cut out the resonator and put in an x-pipe.
I paid $100 to cut out the V- resonator and install an X-pipe AND a dual in/out center muffler.

Do you think you had a better gain with the X-pipe and center muffler?

Ok, so where is the information for the headers? I need to know how much money I need to transfer...

i was thinking the same. pete mentioned that each person will receive a final invoice via e-mail or appropriate agent with details on deposit price. i'm just waiting for the invoice...as long as nobody has gotten it yet...nothing to worry about...

I tried to find Pete's post but he posted the info. I know this weekend he priced them out. He will e-mail us individual invoices. I'm thinking later this week.:hmm:

It was supposed to be sent out today, the 3rd of Jan.

It was supposed to be sent out today, the 3rd of Jan.

Do you have that post? I couldn't find it. Maybe cut & Paste?

You will be receiving an electronic invoice for your 50% deposit the week of January 02, 2006.

You have until Friday January 06, 2006 to mail in your check. This weekend, we will be calculating the final tally of all of the firm participants in the Header Group Buy; so please do not mail in any deposit until you have been invoiced. If you have any questions; please direct them to our sales office at:
sales@cadillacmotorsports.com

best regards - CMS, Ltd.
Forward Message

Don't why I said the 3rd, but if we only have until the 6th to send him the money, kind of a short notice...

I suggest you guys e-mail him. USPS can take 3-4 days. That makes it tight.
sales@cadillacmotorsports.com

Do you have that post? I couldn't find it. Maybe cut & Paste?
"For those who have already placed there "preliminary interest orders"; on the 3.6 or 3.2 Hugger Header package the price has been set at $1695.00 and your 50% deposit will be due by the extended date of January 13, 2006."



I thought we had until the 13th. Either way, just send me the inovice already...

O.K. HERE'S PETE'S PREVIOUS POST WITH THE NEW DATES EXTENDED.

Sometime by the middle of next week you will be sent an electronic invoice for your 50% deposit.

You will have several options of how to make your deposit.

You may mail a personal check, a money order or use our secure server and pay by credit card.

You will have until January 13, 2006 to make your 50% Deposit.

We extended the participation date and the deposit date to allow as many people to participate in this Group Buy as possible given the fact that the Christmas Holiday puts a "stretch" on everyone's budget.

If there is anyone out there who would like to participate, but money is an issue due to the Christmas season, PLEASE contact me ASAP at:

sales@cadillacmotorsports.com

It cracks me up how anxious all of us are to send Pete $850 (me included)! I know none of us want to loose our slot due to late payment! Pete will email all of us individually when it's time, so we can all breath a little easier knowing we're all in the same boat.

I feel like a parent at Best Buy on Christmas Eve looking for an iPod or XBox 360. "Have money . . . . looking for product!" . . . . "Are you SURE you don't have one tucked away somewhere that I can buy?"

I feel like a parent at Best Buy on Christmas Eve looking for an iPod or XBox 360. "Have money . . . . looking for product!" . . . . "Are you SURE you don't have one tucked away somewhere that I can buy?"

haha...jeez ain't that the truth. yeah i'm patient, but not really. i want my cats and i'm amazed how willing i am to shell 850,then another 850 when the time comes...

:eek:

Ok, its Friday, January 6th, and I have yet to receive my invoice. I don't mean to be inpatient, but I would like to hear something about whats going on.

Ok, its Friday, January 6th, and I have yet to receive my invoice. I don't mean to be inpatient, but I would like to hear something about whats going on.

Geez..never seen anybody anxious to receive an invoice before. Have you PM'd and e-mailed Cadillac MotorSports? That should be your first priority IMO.

My email is being a pain in the butt at the current moment, and netscape doesn't like me PM'ing people.

And yes, I am very anxious to receive this invoice.

My email is being a pain in the butt at the current moment, and netscape doesn't like me PM'ing people.

And yes, I am very anxious to receive this invoice.

I cut your post and e-mailed it to Pete.

Thanks Robert.

Got an update e-mail from Pete stating that "deposit invoices are being created this week and will be sent by email to your attention on Monday January 16, 2005.
Other than that; everything else regarding the Header Group Buy is on fabrication schedule"

Yeah Baby!!!!!!:D Anyone else???

haven't been in the office lately...hopefully he sent me one. thats good to know regardless. so what was the date he projected for the end fabrication? mid february? i'm too lazy to look...

I got the email as well, I was so happy!!!

yeah i got it...thankfully. man i can't wait...i think about these damn things every day...

yeah i got it...thankfully. man i can't wait...i think about these damn things every day...

You think about them every day and I enjoy them every day :halo: after you install these headers you will need to turn off TC all the time because these things add soo much torque that it will make your TC engage when you dont even excpect it.

i never really expected them to make THAT big of a difference...but wow. i hope we get them at a reasonable time...

It's no big deal to me..I can wait. :bouncy: :tongue2: :excited: :woohoo: :rolling: :banana: :D

I can't, I want them now!!!!!

I can't, I want them now!!!!!

Patience man! Did I tell you I was first in line?:D :bouncy: :tongue2: :excited: :woohoo: :rolling: :banana: :D

i wanted to hold off and wait until i had the headers installed because i would have some hawk ceramic pads put on while i was at it. i think my brakes are getting pretty ready and i don't want to damage anything by holding off too long...

Robert, I'll rowshambow(sp?) you for first in line... I kick first

Robert, I'll rowshambow(sp?) you for first in line... I kick first

Kick? What kind of twisted full contact version of roshanbo do you play? :alchi:

Rock, paper, scissors were the only choices I was given...

Anyway...if I get these installed by my Cadillac dealer, do they still warranty their work? Would I be better off saving money and getting it installed at an exhaust shop? Man I can't wait for these headers!!

Robert, I'll rowshambow(sp?) you for first in line... I kick first

Possession is 9/10th of the law and I have the ball!:getaway: :lildevil:

Well after I get my kick in you'll be down by two balls...:want:

haha, such animosity on the boards...

i guess it boils down to who gets to the shops first...

Naw, no animosity between Robert and I... I just might have to beat him down and show him who the first in line really is.

Naw, no animosity between Robert and I... I just might have to beat him down and show him who the first in line really is.

In the time it took you to post, I'm 2 car lengths ahead of you. zoom zoom!

well, it's sunday...technically 1 more day before we hear from pete and get our invoices...

btw, robert, i got the lid template...still gotta go see how it looks laying ont he car...

well, it's sunday...technically 1 more day before we hear from pete and get our invoices...
btw, robert, i got the lid template...still gotta go see how it looks laying ont he car...

Pete e-mailed me a few days ago. He's sending out the invoices on Monday.

Robert, thats all good, I'll just jump in my father's 300C and leave you in the dust ;)

Robert, thats all good, I'll just jump in my father's 300C and leave you in the dust ;)

Only if you can catch me in my wife's Hemi-Magnum!! Hey we've got some things in common, huh!?

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/dodge_magnum_2005_-2.jpg

Well, considering mine is putting out 365hp and 407 ft/lbs (K&N intake, Borla cat-back exhaust, Stage 1 Jetchip) and Dynatech Headers and cats are being installed now. and after that, it will go in to get dynoed tuned, so if you think you can still hang...

Well, considering mine is putting out 365hp and 407 ft/lbs (K&N intake, Borla cat-back exhaust, Stage 1 Jetchip) and Dynatech Headers and cats are being installed now. and after that, it will go in to get dynoed tuned, so if you think you can still hang...

Sorry to here about that! The 5.7 can't get it done! You need the 6.1. I win the bragging rights and the spot at the head of the line.:D It was fun!:bouncy: :histeric:

the magnum has the 6.1?

and the Charger. Costs about $10,000..same as the CTS-V. Of course you know I'm just playin' with you but the wife does have the Hemi Magnum. Really helps out on those trips to Lowes and Home Depot.

Did I tell you Pete was my step brother?

No, I didn't know Pete was your step brother. I can't compete with that...

No, I didn't know Pete was your step brother. I can't compete with that...

Yep!!:lies: :D

Liar liar pants on fire!!!

Patience man! Did I tell you I was first in line?:D :bouncy: :tongue2: :excited: :woohoo: :rolling: :banana: :D
Ahhh I think as the first CMS customer on this board ever, I should be first in line for the CMS headers...So, just step aside Bro..

well, it's sunday...technically 1 more day before we hear from pete and get our invoices....
So after we get the invoices and pay, how soon before delivery of the huggers?

I sent him the full payment and left a tip on the table. I'm first!:histeric:

well Ody might be, as he might personally pic his up from petes shop...but well have to see about that...

i'm not sure where that post about the dates was PJ, but it;s somewhere over here where pete lays down a "times table" over what is going to be when.

Pete said around March 30th they would be ready to ship

thats like...forever and a day. man thats gonna clash with getting my wheels and rubber...better start savin those quarters now, aye?

well Ody might be, as he might personally pic his up from petes shop...but well have to see about that...

i'm not sure where that post about the dates was PJ, but it;s somewhere over here where pete lays down a "times table" over what is going to be when.

Keep in mind the 3.6 version design is done. The 3.2 is still being designed as I understand.

The 3.2 is still being designed as I understand.

yeah...that kinda worries me...what if theres a major design flaw or something??

:suspense:

The 3.2 is still being designed as I understand.

yeah...that kinda worries me...what if theres a major design flaw or something??

:suspense:

I don't think there will be any problems. I think Pete knows what he is doing, and I am confident in the fact that the parts we get from him will be the top of line.

Everything CMS does is flow tested on a bench dyno. The 3.6 version was even improved over the Lund design. They also have a thorough quality test in place also so welds are perfect and absolutely no leaks.

umm robert.
the 3.6 headers WERE the lund design.

come on now.

umm robert.
the 3.6 headers WERE the lund design.

come on now.

Kael,
In part what you say is true. CMS bought the jigs and the rights to the Huggers from Lund. What you don't know is that Pete made adjustments to the headers for max flow using their bench dyno. So they really are no longer the same. Maybe nit picking but they are different. Pete's group buy are of the new design.

The 3.2 will be a complete new design and will just as thoroughly tested as the 3.6 headers.

resurrecting this thread for the time being.

it's january 19, 2006. did anyone receive an e-mail from pete with the deposit money or links monday? i didn't receive anything but an e-mail prior to monday saying it would BE monday. just wanted to make sure i wasn't skipped over...

so whats the scoop? it's thursday.

resurrecting this thread for the time being.

it's january 19, 2006. did anyone receive an e-mail from pete with the deposit money or links monday? i didn't receive anything but an e-mail prior to monday saying it would BE monday. just wanted to make sure i wasn't skipped over...

so whats the scoop? it's thursday.

I don't know what to tell you 3x0. I sent your post to Pete as I'm sure others also want to know what's up. I hope he doesn't beat me up for being the messenger.

well, i don't mind if it takes him a little longer to process the invoices and what-not for the deposits...i just wanted to make sure i wasn't skipped over...especially since i've been gloating about getting these for weeks now!

so whats the price to get in now or when is a second group order starting?

and if I can ask what are the approx primary lengths on the headers?

i believe page 1 of this thread has a lot of information about the headers...but not sizes. theres also a picture of the 3.6 version of the headers and cats that will be similiar to the 3.2 version pete comes up with. i have no idea about getting in on the order right now, but if i were you i'd e-mail him (go to page 1 and get his e-mail) and ask him about getting in on it. since invoices aren't out you might be able to sneak in...he's really good about getting back to you within a day or so...

if you get in on the deal for the 3.2 it will help the rest of us out as well. do it man.

and if I can ask what are the approx primary lengths on the headers?

Pete is just starting production. I bet you can still get in on the buy. Tell him Bob sent you..really. Price is about $1700. The Huggers, Cats and Volant are good for about 300HP on the 3.6.

E-mail Pete at Cadillac MotorSports.

E-mail Address(es):
sales@cadillacmotorsports.com