: Fabric



Lord Cadillac
12-18-05, 02:24 AM
What type of fabric was used on the older, full-size Caddys from the 70s? Was it felt? I think that even when leather was used, sometimes the doors were lined with whatever this was.. Maybe it was velour...

Randy_W
12-18-05, 03:51 PM
Having been in the upholstery business since 1977, I can tell you some was velour, some was velvet and some was crushed velvet. It depended on the year, location and application, there was no felt used except to line glove boxes, consoles, etc... and then not always. There was also hobnail cloth, tufted nylon and nylon body cloth as well as feux suede, real suede and leather along with vinyl. :thumbsup:

Lord Cadillac
12-18-05, 11:07 PM
Holy crap, Randy. I knew you were good for something.:getaway:

Just kidding.. So velour, velvet or crushed velet.. So what's the difference between velvet and crushed velvet? And what do you think would be in, say, a Fleetwood Brougham Talisman?

I love the way cars are lined with leather on the doors these days, but I think I actually liked the feel of the velour/velvet of the past.

Randy_W
12-19-05, 08:45 AM
Crushed velvet has lines that run sporatically through it. as if it's been balled up or "crushed", then rolled back out flat. Ford used more of the crushed than GM did but convertors loved it, so you saw a lot of it in vans, limos, etc.... from that period.:thumbsup:

Katshot
12-19-05, 09:37 AM
I'm not sure anybody uses leather on anything but seating areas of the upholstery. Door panels are usually vinyl. As for Velvet materials used, as I recall, there's several different finishes of velvet. Raised cut pile (traditional velvet), crushed velvet (has a rich shiney appearance due to the crushing of the pile), pressed velvet (where the pile is pressed, or burned into a pattern), and Velour (a stretch version of crushed velvet).

Lord Cadillac
12-19-05, 10:38 AM
Thanks for all the great information.. I'd love to see some of this stuff on newer cars.. I bet one day we will.. Leather is nice but there's just something about the soft velvet - to me, anyway...

fleetwood76
12-19-05, 11:54 AM
hello.
I have scanned a picture of the talisman interiour from my 1976 sales katalog, i don't know if the text in the pic is readable so i write it down here to.

" Fleetwood Talisman. This sumptuous version of the Fleetwood Brougham is pure luxury. Individual fronts seats are trimmed in Medici, a stunning crushed velour available in Dark Blue or Black. Between each front seat is a console with a illuminated and lockable storage compartment. Outside, the car features a padded Elk Grain vinyl roof, turbine vaned wheel discs and identification on the roof panel."

And as Sal said.

"Leather is nice but there's just something about the soft velvet - to me, anyway..."

I agree, and in limo's is it often leather on the driver's seat for the wear and velvet or similar for the VIP's

Lord Cadillac
12-19-05, 12:08 PM
Beautiful.. Ya know.. I may be crazy, but I like the Fleetwood Brougham Talisman almost as much as the Rolls Royce Phantom...

Katshot
12-19-05, 12:27 PM
hello.
I have scanned a picture of the talisman interiour from my 1976 sales katalog, i don't know if the text in the pic is readable so i write it down here to.

" Fleetwood Talisman. This sumptuous version of the Fleetwood Brougham is pure luxury. Individual fronts seats are trimmed in Medici, a stunning crushed velour available in Dark Blue or Black. Between each front seat is a console with a illuminated and lockable storage compartment. Outside, the car features a padded Elk Grain vinyl roof, turbine vaned wheel discs and identification on the roof panel."

And as Sal said.

"Leather is nice but there's just something about the soft velvet - to me, anyway..."

I agree, and in limo's is it often leather on the driver's seat for the wear and velvet or similar for the VIP's

"Medici"???? Never heard of that.

Randy_W
12-19-05, 01:49 PM
I'm not sure anybody uses leather on anything but seating areas of the upholstery. Door panels are usually vinyl. As for Velvet materials used, as I recall, there's several different finishes of velvet. Raised cut pile (traditional velvet), crushed velvet (has a rich shiney appearance due to the crushing of the pile), pressed velvet (where the pile is pressed, or burned into a pattern), and Velour (a stretch version of crushed velvet).

Cut velvet is velvet with a pattern formed by leaving the backing material bare in whatever pattern is desired. Crushed velvet looks like its been folded in random patterns and usually is shiney but doesn't have to be. You're right about pressed velvet, but velour has more to do with the backing and finish and can mimick any style of velvet unlike true velvet, velour is milled as presented while velvet is a backing fabric with upright fibers woven through and cut to length.

Randy_W
12-19-05, 01:53 PM
Medici was like "CORINTHIAN LEATHER", it was just a name that had a ring to it. It was just a heavy nap crush velvet. By the way "Rich Corinthian Leather", actually came from Argentina!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-19-05, 03:36 PM
Medici was a wealthy and powerful italian family during the italian renassiance!
lol :p

Randy_W
12-19-05, 04:09 PM
Yes, I know, I have a client, Mitzi Perdue, wife of the late Frank Perdue of chicken fame, that owns a Medici desk. It has a compass rose and the Medici family name and crest on it. She told my wife and I the story of how she found it at an antique dealer in NY, when we were at a party. :cool2:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-19-05, 07:23 PM
coooool
What kind of fabric do they use in a '92 deVille? They call it "Esteem Cloth". Is it a cloth or velour?

Randy_W
12-19-05, 09:36 PM
I have no clue, I haven't seen it!:o

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-19-05, 09:46 PM
Here's my backseat:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/753000-753999/753753_6_full.jpg
Beige Esteem Cloth

Randy_W
12-19-05, 10:06 PM
Looks like velour or suede of some sort judgeing by the pic.:)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-19-05, 10:19 PM
Thanks, what do they make velour out of?

ben72227
12-19-05, 10:56 PM
Velour is a textile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textile), a knitted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knits) counterpart of velvet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet). It combines the stretchy properties of knits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knits) such as spandex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandex) with the rich appearance and feel of velvet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet). Velour is used in dancewear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancewear) for the ease of movement it affords, and is also popular for warm, colorful casual clothing. It features in spandex fetishism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandex_fetishism).

(Taken from Wikipedia)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-19-05, 11:43 PM
interesting, so velour and velvet are man made?

Randy_W
12-20-05, 09:01 AM
They're made from man made materials, all the fabrics used are man made, cotten, leather etc..., isn't used in it's natural state. Velour and velvet are manufactured from man mad products, cotten, leather, suede are natural products used to manufacture fabrics.:thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-20-05, 11:43 AM
ahhh interesting....I've always wondered about that, thank you randy :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-20-05, 11:49 AM
What kind of velour is this? This is out of an '81 Fleetwood Brougham Coupe
http://i14.ebayimg.com/04/a/05/c2/5c/57_4.JPG
I ask because it changes color in the way it's brushed, or appears to

Randy_W
12-20-05, 01:34 PM
I need to clarify, not all velvets are of man made materials, obviously cotten velvet and velour are made of natural fibers.

Any true velvet will 'shade' depending on the direction the nap is brushed, one way will appear darker than the other.;)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-20-05, 03:44 PM
ah so its a true velvet...cool

70eldo
12-21-05, 11:53 AM
Velvet is a type of tufted fabric in which the cut threads are very evenly distributed, with a short dense pile, giving it its distinct feel. Velvet can be made from any fiber. It is woven on a special loom that weaves two pieces of velvet at the same time. The two pieces are then cut apart and the two lengths of fabric are wound on separate take-up rolls.

Velvet's knitted counterpart is velour. Velvet was very expensive and was considered to be among the luxury goods together with silk. Corduroy and velveteen were considered the "poor man's velvet" when they were first produced.

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History
In all probability the art of velvet-weaving originated in the Far East. Earliest references occur about the beginning of the 14th century.

The peculiar properties of velvet, the splendid yet softened depth of dye colour it exhibited, made it obviously fit for official robes and sumptuous hangings. The most magnificent textiles of medieval times were Italian velvets. These were ornamentated by such techniques as varying the color of the pile, by producing pile of different lengths (pile upon pile, or double pile), and by brocading with plain silk, with uncut pile or with a ground of gold tissue, etc.

The earliest sources of European artistic velvets were Lucca, Genoa, Florence and Venice, and Genoa continues to send out rich velvet textures. Somewhat later the art was taken up by Flemish weavers, and in the 16th century Bruges attained a reputation for velvets not inferior to that of the great Italian cities.

There you go: also from wikipedia! :)