: Smoke: Yes or No?



SpeedyArizona
12-15-05, 05:35 PM
Just wondering if the majority here smoke or not. I prefer cigars over cigarettes, and probably only smoke once a day.

DBA-One
12-15-05, 05:41 PM
Marlboro light menthols. I'm completely hooked on ciggs. I hope this doesn't turn in to one of those "I'm superior because I don't smoke threads."

LittleB
12-15-05, 05:41 PM
I do not...i think it is SO gross, but for some reason every once and a while if I am drinking I'll have a black and mild (cigar)...I could never do it sober though LOL

slk230mb
12-15-05, 05:47 PM
Disgusting habit, will never do it. The fact that my mom smokes probably has something to do with it.

ben72227
12-15-05, 05:48 PM
No, and it's simple really.

Here's what a normal lung looks like (left) and a smoker with lung cancer (right):
http://tobacco.health.usyd.edu.au/site/supersite/resources/images/lungs.jpg

Jon
12-15-05, 05:49 PM
Never smoked anything in my life... Except for well, tires.

LittleB
12-15-05, 05:50 PM
Disgusting habit, will never do it. The fact that my mom smokes probably has something to do with it.


My dad smoked all his life and had 3 heart attacks recently...Seeing him struggle all his life and try again and again to quit definitely has something to do with me not smoking....At least I learned from him!

slk230mb
12-15-05, 05:52 PM
My dad smoked all his life and had 3 heart attacks recently...Seeing him struggle all his life and try again and again to quit definitely has something to do with me not smoking....At least I learned from him!

I know the feeling. I lost my aunt last year to lung cancer, and she quite smoking in the early 90s. That was a culture shock for my mom and she has cut back quite a bit, but hasn't quit yet.

ben72227
12-15-05, 05:57 PM
I'm scared for my grandmother because she's smoked her whole life, and I know that while she's cut back, there's no way she'll ever be able to quit; i mean, she used to smoke like a pack a day way back when...

She's had to have all of her teeth replaced too. Luckily for her, she had money, so instead of dentures, she got implants, but still, i hope she doesn't have to die one of those slow, agonizing deaths...:(

slk230mb
12-15-05, 05:59 PM
I'm scared for my grandmother because she's smoked her whole life, and I know that while she's cut back, there's no way she'll ever be able to quit; i mean, she used to smoke like a pack a day way back when...

She's had to have all of her teeth replaced too. Luckily for her, she had money, so instead of dentures, she got implants, but still, i hope she doesn't have to die one of those slow, agonizing deaths...:(

My aunt went in 3 weeks. I blinked and she was gone. It was rough on us, but quick for her...

SpeedyArizona
12-15-05, 06:00 PM
I never smoke in my car or my home. Every evening I can sit outside, have a glass of wine, and a cigar. I'm not hooked though, I could quit anytime.

Rolex
12-15-05, 06:03 PM
I voted I used to smoke and quit. I see people in my line of work who would be healthy and otherwise uncomplicated, but smoking tobacco ruins their health.

Where's Scourge to tell us all that smoking isn't bad for you, and can not contribute to cancer? :cookoo:

gdwriter
12-15-05, 06:03 PM
I've always been too cheap to smoke. I'd rather blow my money on booze.

Elvis
12-15-05, 06:14 PM
I'm 18 months smoke-free!!!

That's after about 22 consecutive years of smoking. I started when I was 15 but wasn't addicted until 18 or 19.

powerglide
12-15-05, 06:21 PM
Not cigarettes.....

LittleB
12-15-05, 06:41 PM
Not cigarettes.....

huh?

Boombotz
12-15-05, 06:52 PM
I smoke Marlboro Reds and Tom Marlboro Ultra lights. I have been smoking since I was 11 years old. I did quit when trying to get pregnant, and 2 weeks later she was conceived. I went smoke free for the entire time I carried and 3 months after she was born. I started back up and regret it now. Me and Tom will probably get ready to start trying again in the spring to have another baby so I get to do it all over again. This time though I will never go back. I don't like to here any shit though whether I smoke or not about how bad it is for you. First of all it is really the only thing I do that is not good for me except for an extremely occasional drink. I could walk across the street and get killed by a drunk driver or any driver for that case before smoking kills me. One life to live!

Sandy
12-15-05, 07:01 PM
I smoke 4 cigarettes a day - MAX 120s - one after B'fast, 1 after lunch, 1after dinner and 1 before bed. On weekends I deep 6 the ciggies and smoke 1 cigar Saturdasy & 1 on Sunday. (CAO Gold Churchills)
On
the
other
hand, my wife smokes a 18 a day ! (Doral 100s) I have given up trying to get her to quit. It is useless.

One Pack lasts me 5 days.

LittleB
12-15-05, 07:04 PM
18 a day :jawdrop:

Kev
12-15-05, 09:19 PM
I started at about the same age as Julie did and smoked through Jr. High. I bought two packs a day but didn't msoke that many. Not too many kids my age could buy smokes so I passed about half of them out to my friends.

I quit in ninth grade. It was too expensive and I was getting into too much trouble. I had to make a life change at that age to survive.

I remember one day, a buddy and I smoked a cigarette in English class. We were sitting in the row next to the windows in the back and would blow our smoke out the open window. The poor teacher was either oblivious or scared to say anything. We tried to hide the cigarette and keep the smoke outside but I don't think we were all that sly. I'm sure the teacher knew and just never said anything.

I was such a punk!

powerglide
12-15-05, 09:38 PM
huh?

:sneaky:

LittleB
12-15-05, 09:38 PM
Pothead!!!

powerglide
12-15-05, 09:41 PM
I meant cigars!!!!
;)

Ha.....I guess we know who the real harry pothead is now :D

iametarq
12-15-05, 09:41 PM
I tried smoking once in college. they told me i was holding the cigarette wrong so i quit immediately. :)

LittleB
12-15-05, 09:43 PM
I meant cigars!!!!
;)

Ha.....I guess we know who the real harry pothead is now :D

LIAR!!! You know it's you! j/k I am definitely NOT a pothead, not gonna say I've never done it though! :sneaky:

powerglide
12-15-05, 09:49 PM
LOL!

http://betoe.imgoingtobed.com/image/tokemon.jpg

Kev
12-15-05, 10:01 PM
*knock knock knock*
"Eh, open up man, it's Dave!"
"Oh....Dave?.......Dave's not here man...."
"No! I'm Dave, open the door man, the cops are after me!"
"Dave..?"
"Yeah man, Dave, it's me, Dave!"
"Dave's not here..."

A few years ago I walked into a gas station and the two attendants were at the counter talking about smoking pot. I joined in the conversation and shared my experience. I told them it wasn't much fun for me because it make us paranoid. They looked at me like I was crazy; "How did it make you paranoid?!" Well, I told them that when I smoked pot you would be thrown in jail if you were caught with as much as a roach. They had a hard time believing that!

Stoneage_Caddy
12-15-05, 10:02 PM
Lets see i started up after the car wreck i had in 02 ...smoked till febuary of 05 , quit and made it till about august at the dealership ....had a nervous breakdown , like litterally ...insated of just quitting the job i started smoking and the miseray at the dealsership has contunied right with it ...its funny , that monemt the job went from being the most fun job i ever had to one of the worst ....

I quit again today , i dont want this girl to know i smoke since were gonna go out .....I personally dont want ot kiss an ashtray , so i dont exect anyone else to either , so i must quit now ....

tru504187211
12-15-05, 10:12 PM
No...a Black every once in a while, maybe some burner if im feeling right.

Elvis
12-15-05, 11:14 PM
I smoked 30-35 cigarettes a day. I loved every one.

Then I quit in January of 1996. I was on the patch for six weeks. I was nicotine-free for three or four months, and then I started smoking cigars. Five or six a day for another eight years. Backwoods Smokes--black & sweet aromatic. If someone were to tell me that the world would come to an end in 24 hours, I'd buy a carton of True-blues and get high.


I don't like to here any shit though whether I smoke or not about how bad it is for you. First of all it is really the only thing I do that is not good for me except for an extremely occasional drink. I could walk across the street and get killed by a drunk driver or any driver for that case before smoking kills me. One life to live!

If you knew that walking across the street would get you killed by a drunk driver, would you still do it?

Every ex-smoker I know admits now that it wasn't the physical addiction to nicotine that kept us coming back. Patches and gum more than take care of that. There's an emotional bond with the act of smoking. The lighting, inhaling, and playing with fire are all alluring aspects.

But there's an insecurity issue at the heart of it that we all have to face. We depend on smoking for several things. It gets us through loneliness. We think it makes us look "cool" and in a sick way builds up our self-esteem. It relaxes us like nothing else can when we're stressed. It helps us wake up in the morning. It keeps us "regular." It's our reward after accomplishing a difficult task. It's our consolation after we've been hammered by the cruel world.

We're subconsciously convinced that we cannot live without them. The truth is we can't live much longer with them. Life is short enough.

If I could loan you my lungs for just five minutes, you'd be convinced.

Rolex
12-15-05, 11:28 PM
I smoked 30-35 cigarettes a day. I loved every one.

Then I quit in January of 1996. I was on the patch for six weeks. I was nicotine-free for three or four months, and then I started smoking cigars. Five or six a day for another eight years. Backwoods Smokes--black & sweet aromatic. If someone were to tell me that the world would come to an end in 24 hours, I'd buy a carton of True-blues and get high.



If you knew that walking across the street would get you killed by a drunk driver, would you still do it?

Every ex-smoker I know admits now that it wasn't the physical addiction to nicotine that kept us coming back. Patches and gum more than take care of that. There's an emotional bond with the act of smoking. The lighting, inhaling, and playing with fire are all alluring aspects.

But there's an insecurity issue at the heart of it that we all have to face. We depend on smoking for several things. It gets us through loneliness. We think it makes us look "cool" and in a sick way builds up our self-esteem. It relaxes us like nothing else can when we're stressed. It helps us wake up in the morning. It keeps us "regular." It's our reward after accomplishing a difficult task. It's our consolation after we've been hammered by the cruel world.

We're subconsciously convinced that we cannot live without them. The truth is we can't live much longer with them. Life is short enough.

If I could loan you my lungs for just five minutes, you'd be convinced.

Well said Elvis, and congratulations on sticking with smoking cessation.

When I moved into advanced practice and started my anesthesia residency I quit cold turkey after seeing how truly complex smoking made people's health. When you discontinue a smoker's endotracheal tube post operatively there's usually a thick brownish/yellowish/greenish wad of what I affectiontely call "lung butter" coating the tube. It's enough to make you want to vomit.....and throw the cigs right down the toilet forever.

illumina
12-15-05, 11:41 PM
Smoke all you'd like to, I don't care about your health. I don't even care if you smoke around me, provided there is some fresh air I can retreat to and that said smoker is not blowing smoke into my face. I won't even join the anti-smoking bandwagon...

I do however smoke Black & Milds every once in a while. If I die of cancer, I'll haunt something, until then, it is my business.

DopeStar 156
12-15-05, 11:55 PM
I voted I used to. I smoked from when I was 13-15. Although I just started again..... I'm stressed about school so I ended up buying a carton earlier this week and I'm still smoking it.....

fast66
12-16-05, 12:08 AM
Not cigarettes.....
Im with you bro!






she's my main thing
she makes me feel alright
makes my heart sing

oh Im IN LOVE!!!

fast66
12-16-05, 12:10 AM
oh you meant cigars...my bad

Playdrv4me
12-16-05, 01:10 AM
Ive been tempted recently cause Ive been under alot of stress, but otherwise no, never was tempted in HS either.

To give everyone an example... Peter Jennings had quit probably 20 years ago, and he died of lung cancer in a matter of months. Things can be done for most of your organs, but your lungs and your heart are not worth playing with.

powerglide
12-16-05, 02:00 AM
oh you meant cigars...my bad


.....or did I :sneaky:


PS, nice tag line on your avatar!
Giggidy giggiggidy!

Jesda
12-16-05, 03:33 AM
Cigars twice a year. Cigarettes I gave up a few years ago after a 32 year-old friend [and heavy smoker] had lung surgery.

mccombie_5
12-16-05, 03:54 AM
Cigars a couple of times a week or month, that really depends, no cigarettes for 23 years. I gave up when my son was two years old, in 1982. I'd smoked from about 13, stealing my mother and sister's cigarettes. They still smoke, my mother is on 20 a day, and my sister isntr far behind her. My dad used to smoke a combination of cigarettes cigars and a pipe, but he had a heart attack in 1997 that nearly killed him, and he pakced in there. If he was not such a fit man (and he was/is) he would be dead now.

Drugs, I have never actually done anythign illegal drug wise. Alcohol is something I can take or leave, it doesnt effect me, it is very rarely that I NEED a drink as some people claim to regularly, and my job is hardly low stress. My wife has never smoked, she hasnt had a drink for months, she was quite ill and it just put her off. My older son is a drinker and has probably done drugs, I know he isnt a smoker I can tell by his singing voice, hes great ont he kareoke!

Younger son HAS enjoyed a cigar with me once in a while (16 IS old enough here) and he has a drink too, now personally I think those rules are muddled, at this age they should either both be 18, or alcohol 16 and smoking 18.

I also think its absurd how they can have sex before they are allowed to look at porn, whats that about!!?

Rauf
12-16-05, 07:08 AM
No. I have smoked only 3 times in my life.

Boombotz
12-16-05, 07:44 AM
I smoked 30-35 cigarettes a day. I loved every one.

Then I quit in January of 1996. I was on the patch for six weeks. I was nicotine-free for three or four months, and then I started smoking cigars. Five or six a day for another eight years. Backwoods Smokes--black & sweet aromatic. If someone were to tell me that the world would come to an end in 24 hours, I'd buy a carton of True-blues and get high.



If you knew that walking across the street would get you killed by a drunk driver, would you still do it?

Every ex-smoker I know admits now that it wasn't the physical addiction to nicotine that kept us coming back. Patches and gum more than take care of that. There's an emotional bond with the act of smoking. The lighting, inhaling, and playing with fire are all alluring aspects.

But there's an insecurity issue at the heart of it that we all have to face. We depend on smoking for several things. It gets us through loneliness. We think it makes us look "cool" and in a sick way builds up our self-esteem. It relaxes us like nothing else can when we're stressed. It helps us wake up in the morning. It keeps us "regular." It's our reward after accomplishing a difficult task. It's our consolation after we've been hammered by the cruel world.

We're subconsciously convinced that we cannot live without them. The truth is we can't live much longer with them. Life is short enough.

If I could loan you my lungs for just five minutes, you'd be convinced.

Don't get me wrong Elvis, I am completely aware of the danger of these things. If I wasn't aware, I would have smoked through my pregnancy. Though I never even touched one nor would be in the room with somebody who was smoking. I can honestly say, I like it..... definitly some of the reasons up above are true but don't forget one of the most importanat after sex smokes. This is a bad habit that I will one day quit untill then I smoke willing to take the risk. As for my comparison that I can walk out into the road and get hit be a drunk driver. I am just saying its one life that I will live, and I will not fear what I do today but live it. I just hate when I am somewhere and away from everybody and somebody has to come over and give me there .02! I am now at the point were I will be rude in return. Example: You know you shouldn't do that it is sooooooo bad for you! I didn't ask for your f**king opinion so mind your own buisness when did you start paying my bills. I just don't understand what has happened in todays world that every given sole thinks that have to voice an opinion of one another. If it is not someone they know, talk to, or have any thing to do with they need to just keep going.

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 07:45 AM
If you've always been a non-smoker most of us have a different view of smokers. We wonder why you would want smelly breath, dingy teeth, stained fingers, smelly hair and clothes, smelly car and home, and dirty ashtrays. Why they throw their butts and litter our sidewalks, parking lots and public places. Why do they stick their butts in all the cracks they can find. Why do they think smoking is attractive, mature and sexy? I don't even want to be in the same room with a smoker. It makes my eyes itch and my nose run. They make you stink and you have to dry clean your clothes to get the smell out. I have no idea why anyone would want to smoke. Hey I haven't even mentioned the health issues. As an employer I know smokers have more illnesses than non-smokers. I was so glad when Ohio went to smoke free public places, bars and restaurants.

I hope I got at least one smoker to rethink their nasty habit. You know I feel better after venting.

mccombie_5
12-16-05, 07:53 AM
I was so glad when Ohio went to smoke free public places, bars and restaurants.
I hope I got at least one smoker to rethink their nasty habit. You know I feel better after venting.
Theyre trying for that in the UK.

Its fine by me. Means my staff will not be able to smoke, and make the office smell whent hey come in afterwards.

My cigars are different, though. Mainly because I smoke them in my office, my wife will not have them or cigarettes anywhere else in our house, when my sister comes over we send her out to the garage to smoke.

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 08:12 AM
Theyre trying for that in the UK.

Its fine by me. Means my staff will not be able to smoke, and make the office smell whent hey come in afterwards.

My cigars are different, though. Mainly because I smoke them in my office, my wife will not have them or cigarettes anywhere else in our house, when my sister comes over we send her out to the garage to smoke.

Being frank here. Imagine you wife after you smoked your cigar and you want to stick your tongue in her mouth! :o I wouldn't kiss Heidi Klum after she smoked a cigarette. Yuk!

ewill3rd
12-16-05, 08:26 AM
The one thing I miss about CA is that you can't smoke in a public building.
In VA that's not the case. My work is a "smoke free" environment... unless you stand next to one of the doors. LOL

I understand that people who smoke enjoy it and are addicted to it. I wouldn't insult anyone who does it nor would I expect them to quit because I think they should.
I do think there are major health benefits to quitting and it does seem a bit short sighted considering the nature of most smoking related illnesses. I don't appreciate it when people smoke around me and if possible I remove myself from that situation rather than try to bend them to my will. If I can't leave the area I try to ask them kindly to leave or extinguish their cigarettes.
It does stink, I can tell in the store just by walking within 10 feet of you whether you smoke or not. I dated a girl that smoked once and it was awful, nasty nasty nasty, I vowed never again when I dumped her... or she dumped me, whichever it was... LOL I don't really remember.
Not much infuriates me more than people tossing their butts out the window though. Smoker or not don't throw your trash on the streets of my town. I know not all smokers do that so take it easy. However, is it so hard to put them in the ash tray and then dump them in a wastebasket or something once every few days? The cigarette fairy doesn't fly around picking all those butts up and they really nasty up a place really fast.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em, but
1. Don't throw your butts, wrappers and empty packs on the ground, please be responsible and hit the trash can. (that goes for any trash for everyone)
2. Be mindful of those around you, I don't want to control your life, I just want a little respect, same as you do
3. Don't cry like babies when you get lung cancer, emphysema (sp?) or any other smoking related diseases, you say you are willing to accept the consequences now so when it happens, accept it and don't blame anyone but yourself... that is unless someone is actually holding you down and sticking cigs in your mouth.
4. Please don't smoke around children, especially mine

I hope this comes accross as an opinion, because that's all it's intended to be.
I wish the best for everyone, I respect your right to smoke, please respect my right not to.

mccombie_5
12-16-05, 08:29 AM
Being frank here. Imagine you wife after you smoked your cigar and you want to stick your tongue in her mouth! :o I wouldn't kiss Heidi Klum after she smoked a cigarette. Yuk!

Oh she stays away from me for hours after I've had one, but it tends not to effectus, i usually have on out on the balcony if ive finished my work, or i haveone at the quayside when im at "work"

She doesnt mind in these cases, because im usually nowhere near her for a few hours at least.

anyway the kids seem to think "were too old for that"

Boombotz
12-16-05, 08:36 AM
If you've always been a non-smoker most of us have a different view of smokers. We wonder why you would want smelly breath, dingy teeth, stained fingers, smelly hair and clothes, smelly car and home, and dirty ashtrays. Why they throw their butts and litter our sidewalks, parking lots and public places. Why do they stick their butts in all the cracks they can find. Why do they think smoking is attractive, mature and sexy? I don't even want to be in the same room with a smoker. It makes my eyes itch and my nose run. They make you stink and you have to dry clean your clothes to get the smell out. I have no idea why anyone would want to smoke. Hey I haven't even mentioned the health issues. As an employer I know smokers have more illnesses than non-smokers. I was so glad when Ohio went to smoke free public places, bars and restaurants.

I hope I got at least one smoker to rethink their nasty habit. You know I feel better after venting.

Florida is a smoke free state. It has been now for 2 years. I don't smoke in my home, nor in my car. I don't usually throw my cigarettes on the ground. I use an ashtray. If there is not one available I use a portable cigarette dispenser that is in my purse. As far as what a smoker smells like, it is your option on how close you wish to be with one. If you don't want to kiss one that is why you married a non-smoker. You see you have your rights to do what you want and say what you want about it. So do Smokers!!!!! I have been a smoker for many years yet never missed a day of work when I was working, well not for illness anyway. I agree that it is a gross habit, but at the same point those taxes they charge on those little sticks help to pay for a lot of things I am sure you use. I believe that any smoker that is going to quit will do it when they are good and ready. 90% of what you said would just piss a smoker off it certainly wouldn't want to make some one quit. No offense to you, but what Elvis said made a lot more of an impact. Simple and sweet.

Boombotz
12-16-05, 08:39 AM
The one thing I miss about CA is that you can't smoke in a public building.
In VA that's not the case. My work is a "smoke free" environment... unless you stand next to one of the doors. LOL

I understand that people who smoke enjoy it and are addicted to it. I wouldn't insult anyone who does it nor would I expect them to quit because I think they should.
I do think there are major health benefits to quitting and it does seem a bit short sighted considering the nature of most smoking related illnesses. I don't appreciate it when people smoke around me and if possible I remove myself from that situation rather than try to bend them to my will. If I can't leave the area I try to ask them kindly to leave or extinguish their cigarettes.
It does stink, I can tell in the store just by walking within 10 feet of you whether you smoke or not. I dated a girl that smoked once and it was awful, nasty nasty nasty, I vowed never again when I dumped her... or she dumped me, whichever it was... LOL I don't really remember.
Not much infuriates me more than people tossing their butts out the window though. Smoker or not don't throw your trash on the streets of my town. I know not all smokers do that so take it easy. However, is it so hard to put them in the ash tray and then dump them in a wastebasket or something once every few days? The cigarette fairy doesn't fly around picking all those butts up and they really nasty up a place really fast.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em, but
1. Don't throw your butts, wrappers and empty packs on the ground, please be responsible and hit the trash can. (that goes for any trash for everyone)
2. Be mindful of those around you, I don't want to control your life, I just want a little respect, same as you do
3. Don't cry like babies when you get lung cancer, emphysema (sp?) or any other smoking related diseases, you say you are willing to accept the consequences now so when it happens, accept it and don't blame anyone but yourself... that is unless someone is actually holding you down and sticking cigs in your mouth.
4. Please don't smoke around children, especially mine

I hope this comes accross as an opinion, because that's all it's intended to be.
I wish the best for everyone, I respect your right to smoke, please respect my right not to.

Now that is what I am talking about! Thank you!

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 09:10 AM
Now that is what I am talking about! Thank you!

Well Boomer, it seems appropriate language as smokers really piss me off.

I was pointing out some facts that I don't think some smokers are aware of. I don't think smokers can smell themselve or other smokers. I agree with the previous poster. I can smell a smoker at some distance. I don't think it works the other way. I've seen some smokers do some really nasty things in dining out. I remember seeing a man after smoking a cigarette after his meal put it out by sticking it in his mashed potatoes.

I have a manufacturing business and cleaning up after smokers is an on going chore. My business is in the corrugated paper business, a highly flammable product. In the winter they have hissy fits because I make them go out in the cold to smoke. They think I should build them special fire proof smoking room!

I was in an office enviroment some years back. There were no ashtrays in the office which sorta makes a statement. This man in a suit and tie light up a cigarette anyway. He deposited the ashes in the cuff of his pants!

This will really piss the smokers off. It's been my observation in the last say 10 years with the advent of smoking and health issues that today many smoker are likely to be less affluent, and less educated. None of my office people smoke yet virtually all of my factory workers do smoke. That's not 100% but but I do see a correlation there. I'm here in peace..don't hurt me.:yup:

Elvis
12-16-05, 09:26 AM
Don't get me wrong Elvis, I am completely aware of the danger of these things. If I wasn't aware, I would have smoked through my pregnancy. Though I never even touched one nor would be in the room with somebody who was smoking. I can honestly say, I like it..... definitly some of the reasons up above are true but don't forget one of the most importanat after sex smokes. This is a bad habit that I will one day quit untill then I smoke willing to take the risk. As for my comparison that I can walk out into the road and get hit be a drunk driver. I am just saying its one life that I will live, and I will not fear what I do today but live it. I just hate when I am somewhere and away from everybody and somebody has to come over and give me there .02! I am now at the point were I will be rude in return. Example: You know you shouldn't do that it is sooooooo bad for you! I didn't ask for your f**king opinion so mind your own buisness when did you start paying my bills. I just don't understand what has happened in todays world that every given sole thinks that have to voice an opinion of one another. If it is not someone they know, talk to, or have any thing to do with they need to just keep going.

Sorry if I sounded preachy. I had the exact same attitude you do about it. Then I realized my smoking had nothing to do with a physical addiction. It's all about emotions and security.

I quit several times over those 22 years without success. I always went back. As soon as I attacked it from a different angle and recognized the real reason why I was lighting up it was a lot easier to quit.

DBA-One
12-16-05, 09:29 AM
You business is one thing but it seems you have a one sided view. Where I work, which is a software company, almost all of us smoke. We make great money and are very intelligent. So much for only the grunts/dummies smoke huh? Here is another thing. At one company I worked for they didn't have an ash tray outside. I personally cleaned up all the cigg butts and bought an ash tray. I felt that if people made a mess then the bosses could say no smoking on the property. If it were done in a respectful manner it would be a non-issue and I was absolutely correct.

If you are the boss and your employees make a mess do something about it man. You are the boss and if they will not do as you say then find people who will. It is in fact that simple.

Boombotz
12-16-05, 09:36 AM
Robert Cts I like you so I would never hurt you:histeric: ! We are friends at least I have always considered us so. You have to remember opinions are like *******s and we all have one. You obviously can tell that I am a smoker but I can see the other side of the spectrum. As far as your aspect of smokers being less educated that is very closed minded. Go walk around the outskirts of the hospital sometimes and see how many doctors light up. I worked in the medical field and have seen plenty of it. Plus many attorneys ext... I could go on all day. I know what it smells like when you don't smoke. I also know what it smells like to be near unsanitary people who don't shower or know how to put on deodorant. It is out of my control. Just as it is yours. As far as the employees at your job wanting to have there own smoke room they need to get over it. They are gross and stink even for a smoker. Let them go outside and freeze there asses off. I always do. You need to remember one thing don't group people together because of there habits. I grow up with my mom as an alcoholic. When she drank she became physically abusive. Which do you think hurt me more smoking or alcohol? I also had a friend walking down the side of the road who had a drunk driver, swerve, hit, and kill him did he ask for that pain? I don't think drinking should be made illegal, but I believe it can hurt people in an aspect just the same as smoking. Yet we are the ones who take all the lectures. So should i say how much i hate happy hours point is we all have bad habits or do something that someone else won't agree with. Lecturing them won't make it go away. We all have to just try and deal with it. I know that I am responsible ,caring and try to be considerate that is what I ask for in return no matter what the habits.

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 10:12 AM
DBA-1,
I do punish them. They have to out on butt patrol and clean up the company grounds. It would be discusting to me to pick up butts that have been in who knows mouth. I also have a reward program. See somebody through the butt on the ground, bring me the butt and the offender's name and you get a $10 reward. The Offender's name gets posted on the board in the break room. His cigarette or wrapper gets posted with his name. Works pretty good. Some people you just can't embarrass though.

Boomer, I love you like a sister. I'm just using you as my platform to vent.
If you'all read my post carefully I did not say smoker are less intelligent at a rate of 100%. This was a national study that found on AVERAGE smoker is young, less educated and non-caucasian. Ethic backgrounds even come into play. Some countries have higher percentages of smokers.

I pay my workers a starting salary about a $1.00 more than minimum wage. That's not a lot of money I know. A couple of days before payday they are broke and skipping lunch. Yet they have their cigarettes. That would have given them an extra $50 between paydays.

I don't want to spill the topic over into alcohol and dilute the conversation. But I do induldge. I've never been publicly drunk. I don't drink and drive. I'm a closet drinker at home. I drink in the closet so I don't fall down.

Obviously these are my opinions. It's very difficult to convince a smoker to stop smoking. Only the ones that are waffling on the hedge might listen to our discussions.

DBA-One
12-16-05, 10:33 AM
Well, that's a good program you've got going. I hate stories of animals running the zoo! I hear you as well on the no money for food but money for ciggs. That is silly. It's nice of you to pay your people what you do. I talk to a guy on another board that owns an engineering firm. He refuses to hire smokers. Want to work there? can't smoke at all. However, he pays 100% of the health insurance cost. He also doesn't allow coffee makers in hi building! He is kind of a hard ass but it's his business just like yours is. Your rules, your way, and that is the job! Don't like it then move on. If my employers tried that here they would have maybe two left!

Speaking for myself, you opinions do not bother or offend me in the slightest. The truth is that I wish I'd never started smoking. It is an expensive and dirty habit. I took my four year old to Disney last week. You can only smoke in 3 places there. I made sure I knew where they were. These filthy things have all the power to control me. I know it's dumb to smoke but to be honest, I'm just not ready to quit yet. Any attempt will fail until that changes.

I'm 33 now and I've been smoking since I was 16. I wont have a very long life if I keep this up. I want to see my daughters get married, be a Grandpa, all that good stuff. I'll miss it all if I don't change my ways. If our discussion gets through to just one person (would be nice if it were me) then it is a great use of time.

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 10:39 AM
Speaking for myself, you opinions do not bother or offend me in the slightest. The truth is that I wish I'd never started smoking. It is an expensive and dirty habit. I took my four year old to Disney last week. You can only smoke in 3 places there. I made sure I knew where they were. These filthy things have all the power to control me. I know it's dumb to smoke but to be honest, I'm just not ready to quit yet. Any attempt will fail until that changes.

I'm 33 now and I've been smoking since I was 16. I wont have a very long life if I keep this up. I want to see my daughters get married, be a Grandpa, all that good stuff. I'll miss it all if I don't change my ways. If our discussion gets through to just one person (would be nice if it were me) then it is a great use of time.

Good Testimony DBA-one! Thanks.

DBA-One
12-16-05, 10:43 AM
Thank you.

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 10:45 AM
I never liked to see women that smoked. It doesn't look fashionable to me!

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/old-lady-smoking-cigar.gif

DBA-One
12-16-05, 10:46 AM
She is hot!

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 10:57 AM
She is hot!

I think little B said at times she smokes a cigar.:histeric:

DBA-One
12-16-05, 11:07 AM
I saw that. I guess it's better than I corncob pipe!

fpmesiIII
12-16-05, 11:38 AM
smoking = gross and smells bad

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 11:42 AM
I saw that. I guess it's better than I corncob pipe!


Hmmm..brings back memories of Mammy Yokum, Li'l Abner's mother.:p
Women don't look sexy smokin'

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/mammyyokum-2.jpg

LittleB
12-16-05, 12:10 PM
I think little B said at times she smokes a cigar.:histeric:

Like 3 a year :bigroll:....only when I am drunk LOL

mccombie_5
12-16-05, 12:37 PM
Just as a point, smokers do have rights, but non smokers have the right not to breathe in the smoke of other people, I would technically class myself as a non smoker, since a realistic maximum of three or four cigars a month is very little, when I sometimes go months on end without any desire for a cigar, I never light up a cigar without first asking if anyone has any trouble or issues with the smoke, and if they have I will either not light up or leave the room.

I cannot wait until smoking is banned in public, because I hate the smell of cigarette smoke. I also hate having it blown in my face when I am eating, although this happens alot less now thanks to most bars being anti smoking.

One of the issues in this country (with having free healthcare) is that taxpayers pay for other peoples operations due to smoking. The tax doesnt half cover the amount it costs the NHS for lung, heart and other smoking related operations.

Its a case of, yeah I'll smoke myself to cancer, then make the taxpayer pay for my lung replacement.

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 12:42 PM
Like 3 a year :bigroll:....only when I am drunk LOL

Little B,
I trust you don't get drunk often because when you smoke cigars at age 60 it's not very pretty:D

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/old-lady-smoking-cigar.gif

LittleB
12-16-05, 12:44 PM
I remember a couple of months ago on the news certain companies decided that they were not going to hire any smokers. They felt that too much time was taken away from work because of smoke breaks....

LittleB
12-16-05, 12:45 PM
Little B,
I trust you don't get drunk often because when you smoke cigars at age 60 it's not very pretty:D


I just said I only have like 3 black and milds a year, and I don't even smoke the whole thing each time LOL...

DopeStar 156
12-16-05, 12:45 PM
smoking = gross and smells bad
That's definately true. I got got back inside from having one and I'm in the mood for like 10 showers right now I feel so nasty.... I think I'll get rid of what I have left in this carton.... Haha I'll just sell the rest to my smoker friends. They love menthols.....

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 12:55 PM
That's definately true. I got got back inside from having one and I'm in the mood for like 10 showers right now I feel so nasty.... I think I'll get rid of what I have left in this carton.... Haha I'll just sell the rest to my smoker friends. They love menthols.....

Good DopeStar. Every time you get the craving eat a marijuana laced brownie:bouncy:

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/cake_brownie.jpg

LittleB
12-16-05, 12:58 PM
Yum!

DBA-One
12-16-05, 02:30 PM
Like 3 a year :bigroll:....only when I am drunk LOL

Which is often!

LittleB
12-16-05, 02:30 PM
3 is often??? In a whole year?!

DBA-One
12-16-05, 02:37 PM
No, no. I was talking about being drunk. I saw that picture of your kitchen and saw that booze carousel.

LittleB
12-16-05, 02:40 PM
LOL :histeric:...those bottles are left over from a party!! I was so excited when I got the "bar butler" (booze carousel) and I wanted to fill it up with bottles, but all we had was almost empty ones!! I need to get some new bottles for it, but just haven't done it yet...

DBA-One
12-16-05, 02:43 PM
That thing is cool looking. I'd get one but I'm a beer drinker. I really don't have the hard stuff in the house all too often.

LittleB
12-16-05, 02:46 PM
Well for us it's pretty much for looks, but it's neat to have.

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 02:48 PM
LOL :histeric:...those bottles are left over from a party!! I was so excited when I got the "bar butler" (booze carousel) and I wanted to fill it up with bottles, but all we had was almost empty ones!! I need to get some new bottles for it, but just haven't done it yet...

I'll share a little decorating idea with you for the booze merry go-round. A friend put me on to this. She has a wine rack with all of these full bottles of wine. I told her I drink the wine to fast to keep the rack full. She told me those are for display only. Those are filled with colored water!:D So everyone thinks I have a nice wine collection.

DBA-One
12-16-05, 02:49 PM
I agree. Stuff like that never goes out of style.

LittleB
12-16-05, 02:53 PM
I'll share a little decorating idea with you for the booze merry go-round. A friend put me on to this. She has a wine rack with all of these full bottles of wine. I told her I drink the wine to fast to keep the rack full. She told me those are for display only. Those are filled with colored water!:D So everyone thinks I have a nice wine collection.

Well that's an AWEOSOME idea for our Wine rack (although we drink so little that it would probably stay full without using that trick) but I want our bar butler to be working because when friends come over, we do offer them a shot :D Thanks for the tip :thumbsup:

DBA-One
12-16-05, 03:33 PM
I like my booze bottles filled with real booze.

boricuacaddy
12-16-05, 04:20 PM
I started smoking when I was 15yrs old. (the good ole peer pressure) But gave it up when I was 20, I had problem sleeping at night would have this dry cough that would keep me up. The doctor suggested I give up smoking and I did. It was hard since I was one of those pack in a half a day smoker. All I know is that I felt a lot better after I quit plus my girlfriend at the time was happy that I did.

David

DopeStar 156
12-16-05, 05:16 PM
Good DopeStar. Every time you get the craving eat a marijuana laced brownie:bouncy:

http://usera.imagecave.com/BobsWork/cake_brownie.jpg
You.......you........you wanna.......come over? Maybe hang out a bit bring a buncha those? Hahahahaha. B fly over we'll party.

RobertCTS
12-16-05, 05:39 PM
You.......you........you wanna.......come over? Maybe hang out a bit bring a buncha those? Hahahahaha. B fly over we'll party.

I don't like smoking but I do love brownies!!!:D

DopeStar 156
12-16-05, 05:50 PM
Preeeeeeeeeeeeeecicely! Hahaha!

LittleB
12-16-05, 06:36 PM
B fly over we'll party.

I'm down, I'll bring the peach optimos! ;)

DopeStar 156
12-16-05, 09:11 PM
LOOOLLL!!! Funny story B. When I was at my Metal Mistress' Christmas party she had Jello shots that she ended up stashing in her car when we went to the club. Yesterday we were at school and we found them back there all cold and crisp. We took them to Contemporary Math and were sneaking shots in class. We were kinda buzzed when class got out. LOL!

caddeville
12-17-05, 01:44 AM
I tried smokin when i was 5 years old!!! Like WTF is wrong with me, my sis boyfriend came over, he left his cigarette outside and i saw, so i decide to take a puff. That moment was INTENSE!!!!! Then i tried marijuana in grade 6, didn't really go for that either. My dad smoked before and after i was born and quit easily within three days almost 4 years ago, i made him give me 60$!!!

SilverFleetwood85
12-17-05, 03:03 AM
I don't smoke, but its not the worst thing someone can do. I'd rather have a smoker behind the wheel then a person who has been drinking.