: Buick V. Oldsmobile
12-02-05, 05:47 PM
For a very long time, Olds and Buick were almost inseperable. They offered cars that we're similarly priced, similarly designed, and for the most part, they sold to the same clientele.
In 1995 when Oldsmobile came out with the Aurora, they went down a sportier route than Buick, they had sportier, more modern designs then Buick did at the time.
I've always thought of Buick as a junior Cadillac, very conservative. "old money"
The modern Oldsmobile (1985-2004) was halfway between Buick and Pontiac. Its as luxurious as Buick, but more sporty like a Pontiac, just not as gimmicky.
What do you guys think?
12-02-05, 06:18 PM
I like them but I don't see them as sportier than Pontiac in any sense.
12-02-05, 06:21 PM
No, not as sporty as Pontiac, but somewhere between Pontiac's sportiness and Buick
12-02-05, 06:31 PM
I dont understand Olds at all really. GM, at the time, had everything competing
12-02-05, 06:53 PM
Cadillac and Pontiac on the same Price level?
Heres how it goes for me.
In the 70's and early 80's Olds was just a half-step below Cadillac, but not many knew it.
When there were fewer brands available to the American consumer, people were a lot more car-conscious. What you drove said more about who you were than it does even today. There really weren't but about a dozen different vehicles to choose from.
My father was a salesman, drove about 50,000 miles a year. He had a '72 Delta 88, followed by a '75 Ninety-Eight, then an identical '76 Ninety-Eight Regency.
He said that he bought the Oldsmobiles because a customer might be offended if his salesman drove a newer, nicer car. Nobody was ever offended by Oldsmobiles. His '76 model was identical to the '75 because he didn't want anyone to know he had bought a new car.
He could've afforded the Cadillacs but he didn't buy one until he became upper management. That's when he bought a '77 DeVille. That was a special car. If I recall correctly, the DeVille cost about $12,700, and an equally-equipped Ninety-Eight was about $11,500. There were very few differences, except for what was under the hood.
12-02-05, 07:09 PM
Cadillac and Pontiac on the same Price level?
Heres how it goes for me.
No not pricing, the range takes a split after Chevy, One way went towards comfortable, and one towards luxury, I always thought Olds was sportier, so it would gto Buick then Cadillac on one side of the scale, and then Olds then Pontiac on the other side.
12-02-05, 07:25 PM
GS455 or Hurst Olds?? Those were really the last choices that had to be made between Olds and Buick.
Olds did some nice work with the Quad4 in the early 90s and I don't really recall anything impressive from Buick other than the Grand National.
12-02-05, 09:20 PM
Chevy - Cheapest brand
Pontiac/Olds - About the same price, with Olds being more of everyday car and Pontiac being sporty
Buick - People who (essentially) wanted a Cadillac but didn't want people to think they were rich and flamboyant...
Of course, Buick has become more conservative, they don't have as much chrome anymore, etc.
Olds needed to be killed off though. Either Olds or Buick.:rolleyes: It really didn't matter which. I think they chose Olds though because it was such an old brand (no pun intended). As we've seen, GM is trying to make itself look more modern and hip (like giving Cadillac cars alphanumeric names).
BUT, they should have capitalized on Buick. Because now Buick could compete with cars like the Passat and Avalon, but it's beginning to be perceived TOO heavily as an old man's car, since Cadillac is no longer that brand:lildevil:. If they bring out the Velite, or a new Grand National, they'll be fine. I think the Lucerne is great car too. I'd get one - it's powerful and nice, but it's understated luxury. People won't be gawking at it all the time like they would a DTS or CTS-V...
I have always liked Buick over Oldsmobile. My dad bought my mom an 84 Buick Park Avenue new. It is just barely under a Cadillac. Sucker has Lazy boy quality seats, rockin stereo, it drives like a dream and has a what speed bump ride. It has been parked for 8 years and the Olds 307 will start right up, and I still drive it from time to time. I would much prefer a Rivera over an Aurora simply due to the styling, alas I think that they need to lay Buick to rest. What they are doing to them now does no justice to how they used to be anyway, let them be remembered for what they truly were. Big, affordable luxury liners that gave Cadillac happiness to the working class man that couldn't afford the hefty price of Caddy.
12-03-05, 11:05 AM
Buick, Olds, and Pontiac.
What a paradox...They're totally different and totally redundant all at the same time.
12-03-05, 11:38 AM
I would have rather seen Buick go than Olds. Except for the name... the name really sucked.
But... Oldsmobile had some very decent cars toward the end there that didnt make you feel as old as driving a Buick did... Intrigue, Aurora, Bravada (nicer than the Trailblazer and Rainier). They just seemed like a step up from Pontiac, and not nearly as plasticky.
12-03-05, 11:39 AM
It's hard to say which I like better. Buick built the nailhead and some damn fine automobiles in the mid-60's, but then again, Olds was GM's true first performance division. The mid-80's had the Delta 98 Regency Brougham, one of my favorite vehicles from the 80's. Buick had the GN, fastest stock car ever! Olds had the 442. It goes back and forth, the brands are similar in a lot of respects, but I agree, Olds was the better brand to axe instead of Buick. GM needs the customers who buy Buick as well as the vehicles to compete that Buick builds more than that of Olds.
12-03-05, 12:32 PM
Yea I agree Buick had a few really great cars, the GN being the last of those, but of the most recent vehicles, Oldsmobile seemed to have a better lineup.
12-03-05, 01:19 PM
Heres what I like for Buicks:
1968-72 Skylark Grand Sport
1980-84 Electra/Park Avenue
1988-90 Electra/Park Ave
1986-87 Grand National/GNX
1992-96 Roadmaster Sedan
1991-96 Park Avenue
1997-2005 Park Avenue
Heres What I like for Oldsmobile
1981-84 Ninety Eight
1987-90 Ninety Eight/Touring Sedan
1991-96 Ninety Eight/Touring Sedan
1994-1999 Eighty Eight LSS/LSS
12-03-05, 08:24 PM
And when they got rid of Olds, they should have dropped GMC too. I mean, what a waste. It's just a bunch of Chevy Trucks with GMC badges on them...I know people say that "but GMC is the WORK truck, and Chevy's are more personal". But thats a load of crap - CHevy makes work trucks too. I mean, they're the EXACT SAME TRUCKS!:p
12-03-05, 09:31 PM
I grew up in the Roger Smith era of GM. To me, Buick and Olds were nothing but Chevys with more chrome and extra seat padding, except Olds had a few more high tech gimmicks. By the 90s, Olds was the weird wannabe import clone and Pontiac was for boy-racers who couldnt afford real sports cars. Cadillac, at least, was always a cut above.
I wouldnt mind an Aurora or a Bonneville though.
12-04-05, 12:18 AM
Pontiac was for boy-racers who couldnt afford real sports cars.
Yeah thats pretty much why every kid at my high school has a Grand Am GT...Because they're race cars! :rolleyes:
Well, over the last 10 years the boy-racer image remained but the clientele changed. Pontiac became the top choice for women looking for "something sporty." According to Forbes, the Pontiac brand has the highest percentage of female registrations.
12-04-05, 08:33 PM
Oldsmobile > Buick
12-04-05, 09:07 PM
Oldsmobile = DEAD
Buick = Still Salvagable...
Olds had some great cars, but that name SUCKED. Buick on the other hand, has some great cars, some great JD powers ratings, and some VERY good future models. Like, the Buick Velite:
12-04-05, 10:20 PM
Yeah the name OLDSmobile didn't help them at all with the younger buyers they were trying to get.
12-04-05, 10:39 PM
I have not a single problem with OLDsmobile :bigroll:
It was a name I liked alot, it ment.... and still means alot to me.... one of my favorite auto names....
Not that Hon-DUH or TOYota are any different....
anyone that likes/dislikes a car based on a fraction of the brands name... simply dosn't deserve to be behind the wheel of a motor vehicle... because with a brain that small, it would be very difficult for them to know simple differences like green = go and red = stop.... oh wait... there are people like that... called Noo Joysee and Tampa Bay drivers.....
in that case....
12-04-05, 11:36 PM
Oh Rick, stop being silly:histeric:
Oldsmobile was synonomous with the "good old days of glory" and the Rocket V8 and the 442. Basically, when you thought of Oldsmobile, you thought, "OH, how great they USED to be." Let's be honest, Olds really didn't have anything extraordinary in its last decade. Sure, the Aurora was alright, and the Toranado (sp?) had that cool computer system, but the name was a killer. It meant alot to old people who grew up with the brand, but for the next generation of car buyers, (the ones who grew up knowing that Japan made THE BEST CARS EVER:stirpot::histeric: ), Olds was nothing special; just another bland brand in the bland GM lineup...
So, they killed it...and thank god for that. GM needed (and still needs) to trim off the fat and become a lean mean American car making machine:cookoo:
Besides, HonDUH and TOYota can afford to have funky names - they're Japanese AND they're reliable, and Olds...well...they weren't either...:sneaky:
The Aurora got an appropriate sendoff in its final years with more power, more luxuries, and less weight; what an absolutely fantastic car. The Alero though was a rickety turd from day one. It was as neglected as the Cavalier. There's final 500 Aleros being driven daily like theyre nothing special.
12-05-05, 01:24 AM
Of the last Oldsmobiles made... my favorite are GenII Aurora w/ 4.0 Northstar and Intruige with either 3800 Series II or 3.5L Twin Cam "Shortstar"
My favorite of all 90's Olds tho, has to be the 1995 Cutlass Supreme Convertible, 3.4 Twin Dual Cam and *rare* 5spd please.
Such an amazing looking car from every angle outside, the interior is really nice. This would look better with a black rag top.. too bad there is no pic of the top down tho... the small quad head lights, the lip spoiler, dual exhaust... this is one freakin' nice car!
I think I will end up owning one some day... not as a daily driver, but just to have.... sooo nice....
12-05-05, 12:38 PM
Yeah out of the 1989-96 Grand Prix, Cutlass Supreme, and Regal. I would take the Cutlass Supreme first. It has the best interior, and is the most luxurious.
But as for my favorite Oldsmobile ever......
The 1991-93 Ninety Eight Touring Sedan, supercharged 3800 V6 (92-93) 5 person seating, center console, full guages, every option. Some day I will own one of these!