: TRANSMISSION/Torque convertor problems??? HELP!!!



Dubya
12-14-03, 11:42 PM
So im driving about 65 on the highway when it seems like all of the sudden the car goes into nuetral, SES light comes on and its starts jolting all over. i pull over, restart. no SES light, car goes from 1-2-3 fine, seemed kinda different but fine. then at about 55 or so when its supposed to go into OD it does the nuetral thing with the SES light back on. Now i get off the highway and drive the streets. now that the SES light is on. the car is locked into 2nd NO first gear, even if i put it in 1st. rev's keep rising, no 3rd, eventually gets to fast and goes back into nuetral till i slow down. but if i restart it it will start in 1st - 2-3 then when its supposed to go into 4th it goes into nutral, goes crazy all over again. reverse/park still work.

then i get to where im going. car sits for 4 hours. i start comming home, leave it in 3 so it won't try to shift to 4th. works fine for a half hour, then when i put it in 4th it does it all over again. but know when i restart it is completely locked into 2nd. so im driving and i decide to see if it will go into 3rd, it seems like its in nuetral when im driving 40 or so up until i hit about 4k rpms, then all of the sudden it starts going, all the way till it hits the rev limiter (6.2k) in 2nd, does the nuetral thing again.

any ideas? ive tried to get it scanned before to see what codes, and it never works its a 95 aurora, and i guess its obdI with some sort of wierd plug thats not the same as most obdI's.

thanks

Dubya
12-15-03, 03:19 AM
actually it started to "catch" at like 3k, good grip at 3.2.

probably what my stall speed is? 3k? no wonder its a dog off the line.

epanightmare
12-16-03, 01:04 AM
actually it started to "catch" at like 3k, good grip at 3.2.

probably what my stall speed is? 3k? no wonder its a dog off the line.
sounds like you have a internal malfunction of the trans, either a broken o.d. band/ over drive servo or a faulty oneway clutch .
the reason that the tran will only run in second gear is because when the trans fault sets a code the PCM puts the trans into a limp mode so that you can get the car home..

btw if the stall speed was 3k it would probably make a good street converter..:bouncy:

Dubya
12-16-03, 01:29 AM
turns out its a common problem for high mileage 95-96 aurora's. not sure if it is for a cadillac, but there the same transmissions. i ordered a valve replacement kit for $65 (or also known as shift solenoids) which included both solenoids.

part should be in tomorrow morning, so ill intall them that night after school (but before work.....this should be fun :()

51magnum
12-17-03, 10:39 PM
turns out its a common problem for high mileage 95-96 aurora's. not sure if it is for a cadillac, but there the same transmissions. i ordered a valve replacement kit for $65 (or also known as shift solenoids) which included both solenoids.

part should be in tomorrow morning, so ill intall them that night after school (but before work.....this should be fun :()
Hey,
Did you replace the solenoids yet? My wifes STS just started doing exactly what yours did. PLEASE let me know what you find, i.e. if it fixes the problem.

Thanks a lot,
Shane

Dubya
12-19-03, 03:24 AM
Yes, i did replace the solenoids, and it was physically broken. but the problem didn't go away. changing them was a pain too, when i opened it (lower control plate that houses solenoids) 3 ball bearings came out, couldn't find where they came from, still don't know.

trust me, bring it to a cadillac dealer. another aurora owner had the same exact problem as me, same results. only he knew where to put the ball bearings when they came out! but he still has the problem

im taking it to the dealer friday morning, ill let you know. i don't recommend at all that you try to fix it, the 4t80e is a extremely complicated transmission, very very hard to work with/on. wish i would have known

51magnum
12-19-03, 11:48 AM
Dubya,
I did it last night and it completely fixed my problem. If you need some help ask. I have the diagams that show exactly where the balls go.

sorry you didn't have any luck, by the way there are 4 ball bearings.

Shane

Dubya
12-19-03, 12:10 PM
i have the service manual made for 95 aurora's/riviera's. and it said nothing about the ball bearings. you JUST changed the solenoid and it worked? im glad it worked for you, but it didn't for me :( cadillac has my car now.

first thing they did when they called about 10 minutes ago "to change the valve body.....blah blah your looking at 11.8 hours in labor...blah" im like, sir, i had that out in a hour to a hour in a half........pause......"which one, there's two?" the bottom one, (yes i TOLD him this when i was there, why would i try to change something that takes 12 hours to get at!!!!) then he says "oh, i thought it was the side one, let me talk to the transmission specialist and get back to you"

hopefully it was just a honest mistake, didn't leave a good taste in my mouth. anyone know where i can look up GM replacement time hours for various things, like say, a lower valve control body for a 95 4t80e???

zonie77
12-19-03, 04:17 PM
Dubya,
I'm in Phoenix Az, The library here has Alldata and Mitchell's available in the branches. You can't access it from the internet. Check with the library where you live and see what they have.
The library here added them in the last few years because people were asking for them. They had Alldata first. About a year ago they asked me to fill out a request card for Mitchell's. They were justifying the need for it.
So if they don't have it ask if there's a way you can request it. You may want it again in a while

Anyway, they show service times.

Dubya
12-19-03, 05:12 PM
dealer just called. put it all in and back together, problems not fixed

and the $$$ goes up...to what??? who knows

Dubya
12-24-03, 11:00 PM
UPDATE

problems fixed, got it back monday

the solenoid kit i bought came with a little bracket. i didn't take off a bracket, so i didn't put it on, didn't even know where it went. i guess that braket held the new valve filter in place, when caddy put the bracket on, it shifted fine. there wasn't a braket there for 134,000 miles, no idea why it needed one now, maybe the solenoids held it in place better before, then they updated the design, i dunno

but it works :D

zonie77
12-25-03, 01:31 PM
It is an update because the filter is what breaks the solenoids. Not sure why not having it on didn't let the trans shift.
Possibly they reseated the solenoids and aren't saying.

Dubya
12-27-03, 07:43 PM
nope, another aurora had the same problem and he fixed his right after mine by adding the bracket.

they said the filter blocked the valve, maybe the new solenoids allowed it slide out further, because it slide out to the point of almost falling out

51magnum
12-30-03, 10:44 AM
Dubya,
I found the location of the balls on the AllDataDIY.com web site. I don't know what I would do with out this site. I have three different cars signed up and it has saved me thousands of dollars. I think it cost $25 bucks for the first car and then $14 bucks for additional cars. You have to signup each year paying the $14 but it is worth it. It gives all the TSB and great wiring diagrams. Check it out. I am glad your car is fixed.

Later,
Shane