: which one?



mccombie_5
11-25-05, 03:34 PM
My younger son will be 17 in January, this means he will be able to drive, a pal fo mine is a driving instructor, and he has seen my son drive and thinks he will pass his test with minimal lessons required. If this is so I want to get him a car for passing his driving test, when he actually does.

I am looking at a few small cars, with 1.6 litre engines, and I'm considering an Alfa Romeo 147, new. I have designed one in the car configurator on their website, and I have put minimal options on the base model 147.

Other options are the Vauxhall Astra, the Ford Focus, the VW Golf, the Renault Megane and the Citroen C4.

Alot of the guys on this forum are younger than me, so if you were 17 what would you choose?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/Alfa_147_2004_15edit.jpg

Vauxhall Astra:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/Astra04fr.jpg

Ford Focus:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/ford_focus2005_040.jpg

VW Golf:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/volkswagen_golf_2003_06.jpg

Renault Megane:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/2_800.jpg

Citroen C4:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/citroen_c4_2004_02_s.jpg

ben72227
11-25-05, 03:50 PM
Get the Vauxhall; there's nothing like a good domestic/GM car:sneaky:. My next choice would be the Golf, but my grandmother has one (a GTI model) and she's had loads of wierd problems (like the window falling out, some electrical problems, etc...). It's neat, but I'd just go with the Vauxhall if I were you...

Kev
11-25-05, 03:55 PM
Well, I don't know much about any of those cars and I'm just a few years behind you Mac so I don't know if my vote counts but I think I like the looks of the VW best. Second in looks for me would be the Renault.

mccombie_5
11-25-05, 04:21 PM
I like the Vauxhall too, but I'm a Vauxhall man myself, ive owned them for years, and they neever let me down, the only worry is, that the Astra five door seems "vannish" compared to the rest of them, hardly "cool" for a 17 year old.
There is a three door model, but it has to be a sportier sppecification to get that.
SXi (just a 1.4/1.6 with a spoiler and some wheels)
SRi (performance model, mid range 2.0 and 2.2 engines)
VXR (balls out 240hp model)
Im thinking about an "SXi" because it has a sportier bodyshell, and he would like it more
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/AstraSXiSportHatch.jpg
The Golf is also the one i would choose, but the Alfa is, IMO the hottest one there in basic form

Spyder
11-25-05, 05:03 PM
The SXi is by far the best looking, IMO...

mccombie_5
11-25-05, 05:10 PM
Its a very nice car, and it has a 1.6 engine too, so it isnt too powerful.

fast66
11-25-05, 05:11 PM
drove a golf once and loved it,
I also drove a a fox and loved that too. great cars

mccombie_5
11-25-05, 05:18 PM
drove a golf once and loved it,
I also drove a a fox and loved that too. great cars

Apparently they offer the Fox in the UK, i can say ive never seen one, we do get thwe Polo though.

I want my son in a mid sector car like one of these because of the safety issue, there are too many idiots on the roads now.

HotRodSaint
11-25-05, 05:35 PM
Why are you limiting the choice to 1.6L? Is there a tax advantage? :hmm:

Or are you trying to slow him down? :)

mccombie_5
11-25-05, 05:43 PM
Why are you limiting the choice to 1.6L? Is there a tax advantage? :hmm:
Or are you trying to slow him down? :)

Slow him down mainly :hide: ,tax here is now emmisions based, but it will also be cheaper to insure.

1.6 is a good size for this size of car, 1.8 engines are a little too quick for a learner or newly passed driver IMO, most kids end up with 1.0 or 1.2 engined cars so he daresnt complain :bouncy:

HotRodSaint
11-25-05, 05:53 PM
Well then, the Polo GTi with the turbo 1.8 is out of the question!! :cool:

So I guess I'd lean towards the Alfa...

mccombie_5
11-25-05, 06:00 PM
Haha he isnt going anywhere near something that small with an engine that size

The Alfa as far as i can tell is the nicest looking, and is the nicest to drive, im unsure of reliability, he wantzs to pay for any servicing etc himself, so it may get pricey, there is of course the BMW 116i...

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/103972_2mg.jpg

THere are a few factors stopping this one, it is a higher price, its RWD and its not as good as some of the others, my PA has one (or i do technically since i paid for it) as a company car and i dont like it much.

Also my son doesnt think much of BMWs

fast66
11-25-05, 07:25 PM
never knew bmw came out with a 1 series

mccombie_5
11-25-05, 07:34 PM
never knew bmw came out with a 1 series

Yup

Last year

Not on sale in the US (yet) and is getting a good writeup, but its the entry level one, so all the *******s will buy it

addison_ii
11-25-05, 07:35 PM
I picked the Vauxhall but I'd just go with an Eldorado:sneaky: :D

mccombie_5
11-25-05, 07:38 PM
Well, ive decided to save him from a left hand drive car for the time being until hes more experienced, and im buying new aswell :D

SpeedyArizona
11-25-05, 07:48 PM
In my opinion, they're all ugly as sin!:hmm: But if I MUST pick one, it'd be the Golf.

The Renault looks "awkward" (for lack of a better word:lildevil: )

mccombie_5
11-25-05, 07:50 PM
If i was buying it for me, my sensible side says the Golf, and my crotch says the Alfa Romeo. A car that will get him laid i should imagine

Kev
11-25-05, 08:10 PM
Well, I think you should buy him a 67 Camaro with a SBC and 4 speed and teach him how to drive like a real man! :suspense:

Sandy
11-25-05, 08:50 PM
I think those pictured car are all as ugly as a wart on a 100 year old woman's rear end!

Get him a Jeep Cherokee.

SilverCTS
11-25-05, 08:55 PM
Interesting choices.

I like the looks of the Alpha Romeo and Vauxhall.

So what is the story on Vauxhall?

I know it is a GM brand, but that is all I know.

Honestly, I never even heard of Vauxhall until I joined this forum.

Did GM acquire Vauxhall or is it a new brand they created specifically for the European market???

Boombotz
11-25-05, 09:35 PM
I picked the VW Golf. I didn't like the others. Not my taste!

mccombie_5
11-26-05, 05:14 AM
Interesting choices.
I like the looks of the Alpha Romeo and Vauxhall.
So what is the story on Vauxhall?
I know it is a GM brand, but that is all I know.
Honestly, I never even heard of Vauxhall until I joined this forum.
Did GM acquire Vauxhall or is it a new brand they created specifically for the European market???

Vauxhall is a long standing name, its around 100+ years old. Gm purchased this (i believe) around the middle of the century. It is only sold in Britain, and used to be slightly different to its sister company Opel, now they sell the same cars. Vauxhall is, comparitivly to you, like Ford and Chevy, Ford and Vauxhall compete with a wide range of cars.

Ford and Vauxhall, i belive are equally popular, however the Vauxhalls tend to be faster by a small margin, and always have been.

Basically its just the British Opel now. They no longer sell Opel here because they would just be competeing with yourself.

LOL - No more SUVs in this house Sandy :yup: Im only keeping my Range Rover for work.

If I was going to get him a Chrysler product it would be the Crossfire convertible.

An afterthought, what about the Audi A3?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/i.jpg

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
11-26-05, 06:17 AM
Well, the Alfa would impress his friends the most.
I'm glad you didn't even put the 1 Series on there as it's complete garbage.

I had a Focus as the first car that was mine (prior ones were company cars), but that was the first shape, when it was new. Fabulous car, I did 93K miles in it and only spent £80 on repairs.
The new Focus is even better made although I'm not convinced the drive is any better. I'd suggest the TDCi version and then get a a Superchips Bluefin on it. It's fast, handles better than the other cars listed and is well made. Not very pretty though but black with a set of nice wheels is good.
A friend of mine has the 2L Titanium version, it's a very nice car.
At the end of the day, the Focus is at the top of the pile in its class.

The Astra looks sportier but it doesn't drive as nice.

As for the Renault, well, not my cup of tea.


Ignoring looks and going on dynamics and build and all the rest of it I'd say the Focus. They are very fine cars.

airbalancer
11-26-05, 08:05 AM
You sure do have nice small cars there.
They would be big sellers in Canada.
I would get your son a shit box ( mechanical sound of couse)for a car.

There is a something to be said for starting with a shitbox and move up to something nicer

Also if you can have him throw some of his money in to the cost of the car

HotRodSaint
11-26-05, 10:27 AM
An afterthought, what about the Audi A3?

Over the Golf, hell yeah!! :thumbsup:

addison_ii
11-26-05, 11:22 AM
I think those pictured car are all as ugly as a wart on a 100 year old woman's rear end!

Get him a Jeep Cherokee.Sandy, no more please. Too many mental pics.:histeric:

mccombie_5
11-26-05, 12:59 PM
The Focus seems to be the best medium (ie not too expensive but its a new design, unlike the VW which just looks old)

The Alfa, from those ive driven, has the best steering and handling, and the sweetest 1.6 engine.

The Vauxhall SXI is nice, but it seems a little fake to me, it only has the 1.4 or 1.6t engine,a dn thats supposed to be a "sporthatch"

The VW is looking to be the nicest choice, but it seems a bit "old guy" for a 17 year old, its seen to be the more mature choice.

The Renault, IMO, is very well styled, as is the Citroen.

And the Audi, seems a little too expensive for it being a Golf in drag

The BMW is interesting to say the least. It seems a little ugly to me, and IMO looks like a Nissan Almera from behind, my PA has one, its fully loaded, and although the RWD is nice, it doesnt make up for th epoor fit and finish.

Elvis
11-26-05, 05:50 PM
I voted for the VW, and I was surprised how many agree with me!

But now that I've seen the BMW, I think that's what I'd choose.

Disappointed you didn't mention Honda. :(

mccombie_5
11-26-05, 07:53 PM
I voted for the VW, and I was surprised how many agree with me!
But now that I've seen the BMW, I think that's what I'd choose.
Disappointed you didn't mention Honda. :(

I thought Honda, I think the Civic is nice, the 1.5 is nice, but i dont think a 17 year old can appreciate it, and that brings into the ballpark the Toyota Corolla, the Mazda3 and the Nissan Almera

Honda Civic, i wouldnt get the Type R though.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/honda-civic-typer-13.jpg

Toyota Corolla:yawn:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/corolla.jpg

Mazda3 is also nice, it isnt as nice as the others though.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/mazda3_08.jpg

And the Nissan Almera is a joke, DATED dynamics, poor gearbox, and boring styling.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/almera3door_01.jpg

mccombie_5
11-26-05, 08:05 PM
And the BMW

it sucks

and it costs more

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/103972_2mg.jpg

There is also the MINI Cooper, but i really dont like that, and neither does my son, it sits in a smaller size class too.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/Mini-Cooper-012.jpg

Elvis
11-26-05, 08:15 PM
How about a Z3 coupe?

http://www.bmwz3coupe.com/public/3000%20argento%2006.jpg

mccombie_5
11-26-05, 08:19 PM
I always liked those, what size engine do they have?

Elvis
11-26-05, 08:24 PM
2.5 or 3.0 inline 6. They don't make them anymore, but the price would be right on a lightly used one.

My wife says "why buy that when you could get the same thing in a convertible?" I had to remind her that not everyone WANTS a convertible.

Very Torquey (if that's a word). Plenty of low-end power.

slk230mb
11-26-05, 08:28 PM
I voted for the VW cause my friend has one and it's a very fun car, albeit he has the turbo.

mccombie_5
11-26-05, 08:39 PM
2.5 or 3.0 inline 6. They don't make them anymore, but the price would be right on a lightly used one.
My wife says "why buy that when you could get the same thing in a convertible?" I had to remind her that not everyone WANTS a convertible.
Very Torquey (if that's a word). Plenty of low-end power.

Haha yeah i know the feeling, my wife says stuff like that too.

I prefer the Z3 Coupe over the Convertible anyway because the convertible is a bit of a girls car, but the coupe is much more phallic!

The 2.5 and the 3.0 are a bit bigger than I would have liked though, Im also not sure about the RWD, which i s why i stayed away from the 116i.

I, like yourself, like my BMWs, (he says after taking his to the Jaguar garage as a trade in) and my sons is partial to the nicer (bigger) ones, he dislikes the 1 series because it is the status symbol, it is no where near the best of them. It is what the 316 Compact was in 96+

Thats a thought, how about a new 316i compact?

That isnt much bigger than the others is it? And its a 3 door so it looks nicer than the 116i.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/in_bmw_compact18_19.jpg

And if we bring the Compact into it, we should bring the C-Class Sports Coupe in too!

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/mccombie_5/Car%20Pictures%20-and%20other%20random%20crap%20i%20need%20to%20host/m-2_1024.jpg

Im not sure a 6cyl Z3 would be the ebst option for a new driver though

Elvis
11-26-05, 09:56 PM
If you're going that small, then yes, I would prefer the C-Class as well!

mccombie_5
11-26-05, 10:01 PM
Im not sur ehow small im going, just small, three door, stylish car, the MErcedes is very styliish, but is expensive and faces the problems of the BMW in terms of RWD etc.

There is alot of choice for varying amounts of money in this sector.

Maybe i should "coax" some of his favourites out of him, shouldnt be too hard.

Elvis
11-26-05, 10:05 PM
Back to the VW. You're right, cost should be a consideration for a 17-year-old. I got a little carried away.

You don't want to break the bank on the first one, and you don't want it overpowered, either.

mccombie_5
11-26-05, 10:24 PM
Back to the VW. You're right, cost should be a consideration for a 17-year-old. I got a little carried away.
You don't want to break the bank on the first one, and you don't want it overpowered, either.

The cost isnt that important, since im buying the car, but i dont want to havnd a new driver 25k worth of metall if you get me, id rather it was a base model, bread and butter car, so the Alfa is still in play, its difficult doing this as a surprise though!

The Alfas are around 13,000, and the rest arent far beyond or below that.

The Golf is 15,000
The Focus is 13,000
The Astra is 14,500 (this is a mid spec model, for the bodystyle isnt available on the lesser ones)
The Renault is 12,700
The Citroen is 12,800
The Audi is 15,500

The BMW 116i is 16,000

The BMW 316i Compact is 17,000
The Mercedes Benz C180 Kompressor (1.8 Turbo, smallest engine) is 21,000

EDIT: the BMW 3 Series Compact is no longer in production!

DBA-One
11-26-05, 10:31 PM
I chose "other" I pick what we get called the Golf R32 here in the states. Sweet car. I went from seeing none to three just this week and I know they were not the same car because they all had different markings.

Kev
11-26-05, 10:33 PM
I gotta tell you Mac, your kid is one lucky guy to have a Dad like you with the means to buy him a new car. I hope the lad appreciates it properly by always showing you and his Mom respect and also by taking care of which ever car he gets. From what you've said of him, I'm sure he will do just that!

Elvis
11-26-05, 11:07 PM
I like Ford, but not their econo-boxes. They've never been built to last.

I'll never trust the French.

I really liked the look of the Alfa.

I don't know how reliable the VW is, but I'm sure it's probably DURABLE, which is important with 17-year-old drivers.

Audi's reputation in the States is growing by leaps and bounds. I see more and more of them on the road now.

powerglide
11-27-05, 02:56 AM
ALPHA!
Not only do I like the style, there's some serious racing pedigree there.....alpha vs ferrari was a classic rivalry!

Night Wolf
11-27-05, 03:13 AM
man, whats with all the hatchbacks? I don't care what kind of car it is... hatchback just kills it... there are only a few very rare casses....

NONE of those cars appeal to me at all...

but damn! my parents didn't buy be a new car....

then again, at age 16 I was driving around in this:

http://inoventionseast.com/test/PDR_0249.JPG

and this:

http://inoventionseast.com/Oldsmobile/Olds.jpg

and this:

http://inoventionseast.com/1979%20DeVille/door/PDR_0194.JPG

Over 2 years later... I still have all 3 :) don't plan on getting rid of them any time soon either... in some casses...never :)

Yeah, so not your typical 16 y/o, eh? My father was getting a kick out of me singing along to songs in the car that he listened to as a kid...heh

Here is the run down for me...

If it's not a high end luxury car.....

it's gotta be a sporty, nice looking *manual* car (ala G6 GTP Coupe, 6spd....damnit I am hooked!) If it's not a sporty manual trans car... its gotta be a.....

kickass 4x4 truck.... like a Jeep Wrangler or Silverado.... manual if possible.

If it isn't any of those, I would never buy the stupid thing... included in that list of excludes are anything considered a "crossover" a minivan (though they are nice for families) and SUV's (in some cases, they fit into kickass 4x4 truck... like any full size Bronco) and also in this list are hatchbacks.. I don't care if BMW or Audi makes it (not that I like them anyway) The only hatchback I liked or thought was cool was my mothers Chevette. "5 door" cars are hatchbacks, that simple.

my friends '01 Jetta 1.8T 5spd fits into the sporty category... only because its a manual, which is why I like that car so much, if it was an auto, I woudln't give it a 2nd thought.

the G6 also fits into the sporty category... tho ours is just a base 4 door auto, its a rental, that is OK... the fact that a high performance, 2 door, 6spd manual is avalible makes that a sporty car in my eyes :)

Silverado Z71 is sweet, Jeep TJ Rubicon is kick ass, my fathers '88 Bronco with mis-colored nose and surface rust is sweet

DeVille, Aurora, Town Car..... all nice cars....

See how that kinda plays along?

if I wanted a vehicle good on gas, that is simple... VW TDI any car... MANUAL trans tho :)

Yeah.... that is going to be my final way of measuring vehicles now... with all these stupid things with new cars... it used to be a car or a truck.... either the family Country Squire, or an F-150, it was simple... today...ha... so I beat the system, there are 3 classes of vehicles for me :)

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
11-27-05, 03:47 AM
I know money isn't really an issue, except on common sense grounds, but with insurance costing what it does I'd go down the route of a Focus TDCi. Or if you want him to have the latest thing on the market the new shape Honda Civic. When I was in school (10 years ago) Hondas were for old people but I suspect the Fast and the Furious has changed all that.

A lot depends on what he wants/likes.
Does he want a bit of power? Will he be paying for the fuel and servicing himself? Does he prefer luxuries? Does he want it all, hehe?!

The Golf would come across as an old mans car unless you lowered the suspension and put big alloys on it.
The Alfa strikes me as fragile.

As an aside how about a Citroen C4?
I was looking at the 2.0 Diesel one, 3 door, in lack with alloys. Was about £18,400 withg allthe toys. I am warty of the longevity of the interiors on any french car though.

I'd say go for a drive in a TDCi Focus (if they still do the 2 different power levels then the top one obviously). You can buy a bluefin form Superchips for about £400 and chip it yourself for even more power.
The young guys I know with them get endless amusement pulling away from Gold R32s and unlike hot models the insurance is way cheaper (as is the fuel!).

mccombie_5
11-27-05, 05:12 AM
He will be paying for fuel himself, and as much of the insurance as he can afford. Because the car will be his outright (i dont go in for credit or lease schemes) he will be able to get third party insurance, but i want fully comprehensive for the fact its a new, 16k car.

The hatchbacks are there because many insurance companies will not insure a large car, and "sedans" are not as pupular here as hatchbacks, we are indeed a hatchbacking nation.

Insurance is rediculously expensivefor a 17 year old, his job coveres little of the cost of it. I just got a quote for a 1.6 Diesel Focus, in BASIC trim level. It came to 3,686.83. Nearly a quarter of the value of the car.

The Focus seems like a nice car for him to be in, I just dont want to give him a big engine size at all really.

Having just gotten a quote for the Alfa Romeo, that is now out of the question, the policy on that is 6,760.87 Nearly HALF the value of the car!

A quote on a Golf is 3,162.03

I am only getting the base model with some small options and a mid range engine, I'm not going to fully load a car that will be sold in a few years, and I'll lose everyhting that i spent on the options.

In compariston to those insurance prices, i phoned my insurance company up to put him on the policy for the Seville and they sent my policy up from 600 to 5000.

Kev, don't you worry, if i thought he wouldnt appreciate it I wouldnt be buying him a brand new car, he knows that not all 17 year old lads get a new car. THis is going to be a surprise for him though. Which is why I have to work out which of these he likes :bigroll:

He willl respect, and probably adore it. Its been over six months since we had any sort of argument with him, all in all hes a good kid!

Night Wolf
11-27-05, 08:12 AM
insurance 1/3-1/2 the value of a new car?

I'm not too up to dae on my Euro conversions... but damn....

I was completly on my own insurance plan, paying for my own insurance.

I paid $230/month for the '93 DeVille, '89 Oldsmobile and classic car insurance on the '79 DeVille, as well as a small life insurance policy for myself (I ended up saving money thru multi-line discount)

Now in FL I dropped the Oldsmobile, but added a $500 deductable/full glass comprehensive plan on both the DeVille's and my insurance is $205/month.

This Augest I will have had insurance for 3 years, that means the 25% surcharge for "inexperienced operator" (yeah right) will be dropped.... that'll be niiiice.

Gotta love land boats... I paid *less* for *3* cars and life insurance then my friends paid for *1* car, of course they had GTi and other little hatchback's that were actually SLOWER then my 1993 Coupe DeVille.... go figure :) they paid almost double on car insurance..... I beat them at the stop light, with the climate control set to 70* F, while sitting on leather seats with all the luxury options I could ask for :)

Yeah... I was a bad kid :).... got my share of speeding tickets.... but ya know, small town, large family, cops pull you over and you later realize they are your cousin....badabing.... I have *gotten* 3 tickets... as far as the insurance company is concerned I have 0.... it'll stay that way :)

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
11-27-05, 10:29 AM
To be honest those quotes aren't bad.
As in they're in line with what I would expect.

In N Lonodn a guy I know paid £3,800 to insure a 1.8L Focus which had a used value of £9,000 or so. His sister bought a brand new Peugeot 106 1.4 Quicksilver and that cost £3,200 to insure. The following year her insurance dropped to £1,800, and the year after that £1,200.

They really sting young drivers.

That's why you see a lot of young lads driving around in a brand new car. They go and buy one that comes with free insurance (normally if you're 18+). It's actually cheaper that way.

For example:

3 year old Ford Focus worth £8,000.
They pay £4,000 of it themselves and get a loan for £4,000 over 3 years.
On a 3 year bank loan that will cost them about £130 per month
The insurance will come to £300 or so a month
So that's £430 per month total to run around in a 3 year old car.


Of they can go and get a brand new £15,000 car for £4,000 down with a years free insurance for like £280 a month (or whatever).

2 years later they trade it in against a new car again.
OK, they never own the car, they're just paying the depreciation, but it doesn't really matter as they're still quids in when you factor it all in, plus they're riding around in a nice new car with a warranty.

mccombie_5
11-27-05, 10:44 AM
Its the Alfa Romeo that stung me, baring in mind, our postcode is an insurance haven, and an Alfa was 6700. The same car for me was 600.

Its probably going to be the Golf or the 1.6 Focus.

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
11-27-05, 11:13 AM
In both cases I'd say go with the diesel.

It's way quicker and for that reason has the cool factor.

mccombie_5
11-27-05, 11:16 AM
In both cases I'd say go with the diesel.

It's way quicker and for that reason has the cool factor.

I am tempted by the diesel,but the amount I am paying for diesel is 6p more per litre than petrol....

Plus there is the insurance, which will be more for a diesel. I was actually considering getting the 1.4 engine.....

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
11-27-05, 12:51 PM
If the insurance is much cheaper for a 1.4 then fair play.

It's a relatively heavy car for a 1.4 to shift, most guys I know with 1.4 Focus's are reporting *slightly* worse fuel economy than the 1.6 guys.

Bear in mind the 115PS Diesel is *significantly* faster mind.
In fact, it goes like absolute stink.

At the dragstrip we've found it's as quick as a 2.0L Petrol running the 1/4 in around 16.3 seconds when chipped.

mccombie_5
11-27-05, 01:03 PM
OK this cant be right :bonkers: :hmm:

I just got a quote from the same insurer, for a 1.4 Golf, same body, same conditions, same person. It was 150 more than the 1.6!

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
11-27-05, 04:24 PM
Wierd!

Try Adrian Flux btw, if you aren't already.
Also elephant.co.uk

My quotes varied from £3,400pa to £975pa depending on insurer when I got my first car.

You know, insurers should have to explain themselves with that sort of difference in price...

mccombie_5
11-27-05, 04:30 PM
Wierd!

Try Adrian Flux btw, if you aren't already.
Also elephant.co.uk

My quotes varied from 3,400pa to 975pa depending on insurer when I got my first car.

You know, insurers should have to explain themselves with that sort of difference in price...

Will do, Elephant are supposed to be good like that.

They see "new driver" and charge what they like, just because some of them are dangerous the rest suffer!