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terrible one
11-15-05, 12:36 AM
I'd enjoy having like an '87 Buick Grand National

ben72227
11-15-05, 12:56 AM
I'd want mine to be a GNx, personally.:lildevil:

terrible one
11-15-05, 01:05 AM
Yes, GNX would be preferred.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-15-05, 01:07 AM
Cool cars! I have seen them do some pretty awesome brakestands at Carcraft Summer Nationals...276hp & 360lb/ft.

terrible one
11-15-05, 01:11 AM
Yeah. I'm thinking that if I can find one for a reasonable price in good condition I will go for it. However, I was kind of thinking of spending my money on a 4 banger, for gas mileage reasons...when the '76 is dont it will be like 6 mpg in town

ben72227
11-15-05, 01:36 AM
Yeah, get early 2000s Honda civic. Those GNs cost A LOT, especially the GNx models...

terrible one
11-15-05, 02:11 AM
Yeah, they really are pretty high up there. Only way I would get one a good price is on a steal, but it's possible. A gnx is out of the question.

Yeah, Honda Civic would be good for gas mileage. Anything with a 5 speed really, just to kind of have a bit of fun with I guess.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-15-05, 02:31 AM
How about a Jetta instead? 1.8T + 5 speed manual = fun!

DopeStar 156
11-15-05, 03:03 AM
Nooooooooo no no no no. If I was gonna get a fun speed car I'd get a 5.0 Mustang with a stick. Or an old Z-28 with a stick. 80's pony cars are fun to drive and you won't feel bad scuffing one. I came close to buying a realy cosmetically shitty looking 5.0 Mustang with a stick just to have fun with. The car has 130k and was like $300. I shoulda got it.

Rolex
11-15-05, 06:16 PM
I'd like to have a 2007 Buick Grand National GNX! :D

Food for thought...:cool:

ben72227
11-15-05, 06:24 PM
I'd like to have a 2007 Buick Grand National GNX! :D

Food for thought...:cool:

Here ya go:
http://www.westcoast6s.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/gtosadwwrbd.jpg

DBA-One
11-15-05, 06:24 PM
YOu could hop up a GN to be a GNx killer for so much less than a real GNX. You could also do the same with a T-Type. I'd take anyone of the three as long as it was a solid roof car. No t-tops, sunroof.

terrible one
11-15-05, 06:49 PM
Yeah, once again, if I can get a reasonable deal on it, I would buy a GN. Don't they make like "kits" to make it into a GNX? Either way, I think that would be a cool car to have.

DBA-One
11-15-05, 08:05 PM
I've seen GNs have an ask as low as 8K but that isn't going to be the best car. Browsing in the local autotrader in my area indicates 12K buys a nice one. If you can "settle" look for a 86-87 T-Type. The later cars got the intercooler. Buick made the turbo Regal between 78-87 and there are actually a lot out there. There is a Type with a solid roof for sale by my house.

As to the question of a GNX kit containing fender flares, heat extractors (probably decorations with a kit) and emblems, I've never heard of such a kit but that doesn't mean it is not out there. More went in to a GNX than that though. A T-Type with a bigger turbo, intercooler, injectors, tuning, etc would run you a lot less and be just as fast if not faster. The Buick T-Type is a nice option. If you get one, do what The Stones sang - "Paint It Black"!

terrible one
11-15-05, 08:24 PM
Yeah, I dig the '87's. These things sure are good looking.

It would definitly have to be black.

That '07 up there looks awesome!

DBA-One
11-15-05, 09:15 PM
Yeah, that '07 concept is nice. Maybe Buick can do what Pontiac failed to, Stir the soul.

90Brougham350
11-15-05, 09:22 PM
Enjoy!

http://www.buickstreet.com/87buickstreet.html

http://www.buickstreet.com/images/richs-87gn-main.jpg

DBA-One
11-15-05, 09:37 PM
See, all it takes are some late 80's-90's Trans Am wheels to get closer to the GNX look! The T-Type for sale around here had those but the guy put the factory T-Type wheels back on it. It didn't help the curb appeal if you ask me.

terrible one
11-15-05, 09:41 PM
Yeah, I agree. Although I could buy one and want to buy one, I really need a 4 banger, since the caddy is going to be getting around 6-8 mpg...

turbojimmy
11-15-05, 09:59 PM
Mine has Draglites on it, but I still have the stock wheels somewhere:
http://turbojimmy.4t.com/gn_track_060404-3.jpg

You can get 20 MPG out of the V6 if you keep your foot out of the turbo.

They only made 547 GNXs so they're going to be REALLY expensive. And if you buy one the only way to maintain your investment is to keep it as a garage queen. They weren't that much faster than the GNs and by the time you apply some modern tweaks to a 'regular' GN you've blown the doors off a GNX. The engine in the GNX was the same as the GN. The turbo had a ceramic coated impeller wheel, but it was the same .60 A/R compressor wheel as the GN. It had a different chip and intercooler. The big differences were in the suspension, which helped it produce better 0-60 and 1/4-mile times.

Despite being the most 'common' of the Turbo Regals with 20,000+ produced in 1987, the '87 GN is the most expensive to buy (next to the GNX and some ultra-rare T-type cars). Your best bet is to pick up an '86 or '87 T-type. They have the same exact drivetrain as the GN but you can get them in lots of different colors and with column shifters and bench seats.

I finally talked my brother into joining the Dark Side. He sold his WS6 Trans Am and picked up a rough 1987 Turbo T. In '87 there weren't any "T-types", they were "T"s, with a 307 V8 version and a turbo version, hence the "Turbo T" designation. He hasn't had it long, but he's already running mid-12s with it. They are a blast to drive and rip up the 1/8th mile in a hurry even in stock form (which makes them stoplight terrors).

My GN is absolutely the most fun car I've owned. You definitely won't be disappointed with one of these cars.

Jim

Slywun
11-15-05, 10:01 PM
Here ya go:
http://www.westcoast6s.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/gtosadwwrbd.jpg

Fact or fiction on this?

terrible one
11-15-05, 10:02 PM
Jim,

Sweet GN man!

Thank you for your very informative post. I'll have to do some checking out on the alternatives mentioned above.

Looks like it isn't too impossible after all :)

turbojimmy
11-15-05, 10:18 PM
Jim,

Sweet GN man!

Thank you for your very informative post. I'll have to do some checking out on the alternatives mentioned above.

Looks like it isn't too impossible after all :)

Thanks!

My brother picked his '87 T up for $800. Like I said, it's rough - not much to look at - but mechanically all it needed was a turbo. Here it is when he first got it:

http://www.turbojimmy.com/87t.html

Now he could have left it alone and just driven it as-is. But he did not follow my advice to make his modifications in an order that makes sense. As a result, he cranked up the boost without having the supporting fuel supply and immediately blew the motor. So, the car still looks like it does in the above link, but it has a .030 over motor with forged pistons, hotter cam, bigger turbo and lots of other neat stuff including methanol injection so he can run pump gas and 25 PSI boost on the street.

Like I said, they're a blast. Forced induction is definitely a learning experience, but once you figure it out you won't want to go back.

Jim

DBA-One
11-15-05, 11:21 PM
I looked at a T-Type before buying my Caddy. It would be in the garage had the wife not said "hell no"! She just didn't understand but I can't just do what I want because if I did, she could, too!

terrible one
11-15-05, 11:27 PM
This brings me more and more hope. I'll have to keep my eye out for some sweet deals. Sucks about the blown motor, but the new one must be a beast!

terrible one
11-15-05, 11:27 PM
I looked at a T-Type before buying my Caddy. It would be in the garage had the wife not said "hell no"! She just didn't understand but I can't just do what I want because if I did, she could, too!
Haha, can't have that can we?

DBA-One
11-15-05, 11:29 PM
Haha, can't have that can we?

No because she could manage to top my spending just to spite me. Seriously though, There are some killer deals on T cars out there. Even if you could settle for an '85 it has possibilities. It's nice to have choices.

davesdeville
11-16-05, 02:57 AM
Fact or fiction on this?

Fiction.

RobertCTS
11-16-05, 06:55 AM
Didn't they put this engine in a small pick-up or SUV..called a typhone or something like that?

turbojimmy
11-16-05, 07:13 AM
Didn't they put this engine in a small pick-up or SUV..called a typhone or something like that?

Yes and no. GMC tried to follow the same path with a pickup and a SUV but they used the Chevy 4.3L. The pickup was the Syclone and the SUV was the Typhoon. They had a smallish liquid-cooled Mitsubishi turbo (versus the Garret on the Turbo Regals) and had a failure-prone liquid-to-air intercooler. They were all neat ideas but IMO they weren't executed well. I used to have a Typhoon:

http://turbojimmy.4t.com/ty_110500-02.jpg

It was very tempermental and didn't really respond to mods very well. There are guys going fast with them, but it's not 'easy' like it is with the GN. The coolest thing about them was that they were AWD. Even on stock rubber I could get low 1.7 60' times at the track. It left a stoplight like nobody's business.

The guy I sold it to immediately wrecked it.
http://turbojimmy.4t.com/my_dead_phoon.jpg


More info here:
http://turbojimmy.4t.com/typhoon.html

Stock specs and differences between the TRs and the Sy/Tys here:
http://turbojimmy.4t.com/about_ty.html

Jim

RobertCTS
11-16-05, 07:19 AM
Yes and no. GMC tried to follow the same path with a pickup and a SUV but they used the Chevy 4.3L. The pickup was the Syclone and the SUV was the Typhoon. They had a smallish liquid-cooled Mitsubishi turbo (versus the Garret on the Turbo Regals) and had a failure-prone liquid-to-air intercooler. They were all neat ideas but IMO they weren't executed well. I used to have a Typhoon:


It was very tempermental and didn't really respond to mods very well. There are guys going fast with them, but it's not 'easy' like it is with the GN. The coolest thing about them was that they were AWD. Even on stock rubber I could get low 1.7 60' times at the track. It left a stoplight like nobody's business.

The guy I sold it to immediately wrecked it.



More info here:
http://turbojimmy.4t.com/typhoon.html

There's links to the factory brochure and specs and the differences between the TRs and the Sy/Tys.

Jim

Wow, that must have been a real street sleeper!! Was the 4.1 a V6?

turbojimmy
11-16-05, 06:47 PM
Wow, that must have been a real street sleeper!! Was the 4.1 a V6?

The 4.3L is/was a V6. Not sure if they're still using them - I think they are. It is a solid engine but when you slap a turbo on it, it behaved strangely.

A truck launching like that from a stoplight did catch a lot of people off guard. I had Corvette ZR1 rims and tires on it, so it was a bit of a giveaway from behind:

http://turbojimmy.4t.com/zr1-06.jpg

Jim

DBA-One
11-16-05, 06:54 PM
There was also a 4.3 v8. My '82 Cutlass I used to own had such a motor.

RobertCTS
11-16-05, 06:56 PM
The 4.3L is/was a V6. Not sure if they're still using them - I think they are. It is a solid engine but when you slap a turbo on it, it behaved strangely.

A truck launching like that from a stoplight did catch a lot of people off guard. I had Corvette ZR1 rims and tires on it, so it was a bit of a giveaway from behind:
Jim

You had to love that!! I would luv to own one:)

terrible one
11-16-05, 07:01 PM
Cool Typhoon man! Those 'vette rims really look good on it as well.

DBA-One
11-17-05, 04:55 PM
GNX flares:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BUICK-GRAND-NATIONAL-GNX-WHEEL-FLARES-GN_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42611QQitemZ45909628 90QQrdZ1

Fender vents:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BUICK-GRAND-NATIONAL-GNX-LOUVERS-VENTS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42611QQitemZ45909 09864QQrdZ1

Emblems:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turbo-Buick-GNX-Emblems_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33643QQitemZ801 5139769QQrdZ1

turbojimmy
11-17-05, 07:32 PM
You had to love that!! I would luv to own one:)

If I could afford to have 2 garage queens I would have definitely kept it, but it was tough to live with day-to-day.


Cool Typhoon man! Those 'vette rims really look good on it as well.

Thanks. The ZR1 rims were a popular modification. They allowed you to put 275s up front and 315s out back. It's not like you needed it with the AWD anyway, but they did look cool.

Jim