: History Lesson for the Day (This is SO trippy...)



LittleB
11-07-05, 06:19 PM
History Lesson

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head.

Now it gets really weird.

Lincoln 's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln.

Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are composed of fifteen letters.

Now hang on to your seat.

Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.'
Kennedy was shot in a car called ' Lincoln' made by 'Ford.'

Lincoln was shot in a theater and his assassin ran and hid in a warehouse.
Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran and hid in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.

And here's the kicker...

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.

EcSTSatic
11-07-05, 06:23 PM
that's a very popular story. More here (http://www.snopes.com/history/american/linckenn.htm)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-07-05, 06:27 PM
wow thats wierd!

LittleB
11-07-05, 06:27 PM
I had never heard about it....man if my history teacher would've taught this I might've paid attention :sneaky: :D

Krashed989
11-07-05, 07:10 PM
Whoa! :jawdrop: :wacky: :shocked: :shocked2: :holycrap: :bulging: :eek: :suspect: :bonkers:

KOBO
11-07-05, 08:29 PM
Equally interesting is the event which took place years later with JW Booths older brother, Edwin, and Lincolns son Robert Todd Lincoln.......

>>>The story of Robert's rescue by Booth seemed such an ironic coincidence that a number of people who heard the tale decided to record it for posterity -- with varying degrees of factuality. While Booth himself never actually wrote about the incident, Robert Lincoln penned at least three separate narratives of the episode and spoke of it at least twice.

Lincoln first told the story to Badeau when they were both serving on Grant's staff. Badeau subsequently corresponded with Booth about the incident. Two 19th-century accounts of the rescue were written in 1893, the year of Booth's death.

An article in the Boston Morning Journal, reporting on Booth's funeral, contains the first known printed narrative of the rescue: "At Bowling Green, Ky., it happened that Mr. Lincoln and Mr. Booth were waiting for a train. Neither was aware of the other's presence. Mr. Lincoln had strayed on a switching track. An engine came along, and he would have undoubtedly been struck and probably killed had not Mr. Booth, with a quick movement, pushed him out of harm's way."
(excerpted from: http://historynet.com/cwti/blbooth/index1.html)<<<<

powerglide
11-07-05, 08:34 PM
What a trip!
Thanks for sharing, it was news to me.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-07-05, 08:39 PM
"At Bowling Green, Ky., it happened that Mr. Lincoln and Mr. Booth were waiting for a train. Neither was aware of the other's presence. Mr. Lincoln had strayed on a switching track. An engine came along, and he would have undoubtedly been struck and probably killed had not Mr. Booth, with a quick movement, pushed him out of harm's way."
(excerpted from: http://historynet.com/cwti/blbooth/index1.html)<<<<


If that isnt the definition of irony, I dont know what is!

Boombotz
11-07-05, 10:19 PM
I had never heard about it....man if my history teacher would've taught this I might've paid attention :sneaky: :D

I totally agree. Maybe we should send it to one of our old teachers?:histeric:

LittleB
11-07-05, 10:20 PM
I totally agree. Maybe we should send it to one of our old teachers?:histeric:

That's a good idea!!

Ralph
11-07-05, 10:24 PM
Interesting. I think someone posted that over a year ago...

DopeStar 156
11-07-05, 10:54 PM
Aahhhh! B you are awesome! I LOVE the whole Kennedy thing. That story intrigues me so much and JFK is one of my favorite movies. Kinda makes you wonder about the whole conspiracy theory huh? Too many figures in the shadows around that story. I wrote a killer research paper on the JFK Assassination in 11th grade. If anyone on here is interested in reading it PM me. I love the whole JFK thing, it really makes me think and I like that.

LittleB
11-07-05, 11:05 PM
Aahhhh! B you are awesome! I LOVE the whole Kennedy thing. That story intrigues me so much and JFK is one of my favorite movies. Kinda makes you wonder about the whole conspiracy theory huh? Too many figures in the shadows around that story. I wrote a killer research paper on the JFK Assassination in 11th grade. If anyone on here is interested in reading it PM me. I love the whole JFK thing, it really makes me think and I like that.


Yeah when I read it was freaked out! That is some crazy stuff, very interesting! I wish I knew about this in school, I would've loved to do a paper on it.

JimHare
11-08-05, 10:50 AM
Interesting coincidences, but...
Lincoln lost seven different elections before he was finally elected to the Illinois state legislature.
Kennedy won virtually every election he entered.
Lincoln was born in 1809.
Kennedy was born in 1917.
Lincoln died in 1865.
Kennedy died in 1963.
Each men's first names contain different numbers of letters, and only Kennedy had a middle name.
Lincoln was 56 at the time of his death.
Kennedy was 46 at the time of his death.
Lincoln was killed indoors with a small handgun.
Kennedy was killed from several hundred feet away with a rifle.
Lincoln did NOT have a secretary named Kennedy. This is a false piece of "trivia" that somehow surfaced soon after Kennedy's assassination. Lincoln's secretaries, both men, were named Nicolay and Hay. Also, Kennedy did have a secretary named Lincoln, but there is no evidence that she spoke to Kennedy within a week of his trip to Dallas.
Both were succeeded by 'Southerners' because like most presidents (from Non-southern states) they chose southern VP candidates....hardly suprising there.
Booth was born in 1838, not 1839.
Booth was born in to a prominent, well known family, and enjoyed a life of relative well-being.
Oswald came from near-poverty, never knew his father, was moody, friendless, relatively uneducated, and often unemployed.
Booth never married.
Oswald was married with two children.
Finally, it would have been quite interesting for Kennedy to have been with Marilyn Monroe a week before he was shot, since she died over year before his death.


and finally...perhaps the oddest coincidence...

Lincoln Kennedy is a lineman for the Oakland Raiders....


One must be careful not to ascribe simple coincidences, mathematical certainties, and other odd similiarities to vast underground conspiracy or other 'third party' goings-on....

Elvis
11-08-05, 10:57 AM
Finally, it would have been quite interesting for Kennedy to have been with Marilyn Monroe a week before he was shot, since she died over year before his death.....


:histeric:

The first time I heard all that stuff was 1977. It gets something added to it every few years.

Bobby was the one who did Marilyn.

mccombie_5
11-08-05, 12:47 PM
I am a quiet supporter of the conspiracy theory, I have read some books etc on the subject, I have a mild interest.

If Oswald was involved, it is certain he wasnt alone...

LittleB
11-08-05, 01:05 PM
Interesting coincidences, but...
Lincoln lost seven different elections before he was finally elected to the Illinois state legislature.
Kennedy won virtually every election he entered.
Lincoln was born in 1809.
Kennedy was born in 1917.
Lincoln died in 1865.
Kennedy died in 1963.
Each men's first names contain different numbers of letters, and only Kennedy had a middle name.
Lincoln was 56 at the time of his death.
Kennedy was 46 at the time of his death.
Lincoln was killed indoors with a small handgun.
Kennedy was killed from several hundred feet away with a rifle.
Lincoln did NOT have a secretary named Kennedy. This is a false piece of "trivia" that somehow surfaced soon after Kennedy's assassination. Lincoln's secretaries, both men, were named Nicolay and Hay. Also, Kennedy did have a secretary named Lincoln, but there is no evidence that she spoke to Kennedy within a week of his trip to Dallas.
Both were succeeded by 'Southerners' because like most presidents (from Non-southern states) they chose southern VP candidates....hardly suprising there.
Booth was born in 1838, not 1839.
Booth was born in to a prominent, well known family, and enjoyed a life of relative well-being.
Oswald came from near-poverty, never knew his father, was moody, friendless, relatively uneducated, and often unemployed.
Booth never married.
Oswald was married with two children.
Finally, it would have been quite interesting for Kennedy to have been with Marilyn Monroe a week before he was shot, since she died over year before his death.


and finally...perhaps the oddest coincidence...

Lincoln Kennedy is a lineman for the Oakland Raiders....


One must be careful not to ascribe simple coincidences, mathematical certainties, and other odd similiarities to vast underground conspiracy or other 'third party' goings-on....


So what you're saying is....not all of it is true?! :banghead: Well that sucks....

JimHare
11-08-05, 02:01 PM
Unfortunately, yes. Most of the "coincidences" are merely chance - for example, the fact that they were both killed on a Friday is hardly suprising. Most presidential public outings start on a Friday. And, there's a 1 in 7 chance of it happening that way anyways.

The election year similarity is also easily explained mathematically - since the election is only held every four years, and there were what, 20 elections between them, it comes to a one chance in 20 that they'd be a hundred years apart. Not all that great. Plus, Lincoln was assassinated during his second term, which began in 1864.

Some of the other "factoids" are also not really true. For example, both assassins were NOT known by all three of their names - "John Booth" was actually much more common, and he went by "Julius" a lot, to differentiate him from his famous father. "Harvey" was the middle name discovered after Oswald's death, he almost always went by plain old "Lee".

Booth also did not run and hide in a 'warehouse', it was actually a tobacco drying barn.

It's not that I'm trying to burst all the bubbles here, it's just that it shows a lack of reasoned thinking and examination to connect all these things and make something sinister out of it, when there's really nothing there.

EcSTSatic
11-08-05, 02:31 PM
Yep. It's all summarized at Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com/history/american/linckenn.htm)

DopeStar 156
11-08-05, 02:55 PM
Bobby was the one who did Marilyn.
http://www.manson-valley.de/fotogalerie/manson/images/ma/ma_02.jpg
:lildevil:

LittleB
11-08-05, 03:06 PM
It's not that I'm trying to burst all the bubbles here, it's just that it shows a lack of reasoned thinking and examination to connect all these things and make something sinister out of it, when there's really nothing there.

Well it definitely bursted my bubble :( but hey, thanks for clearing it up....

Elvis
11-08-05, 05:39 PM
Well it definitely bursted my bubble :( but hey, thanks for clearing it up....

I guess that means it's really okay to sleep through history class. :D

Using the assassin's full name is not that unusual. Go commit a crime, get busted, and then turn on the news. They'll use your full name.

That's enough deterrent for me. I don't want anyone knowing my full name.

JimHare
11-08-05, 06:27 PM
I guess that means it's really okay to sleep through history class. :D
Unfortunately, given the quality of the educational experience in most US schools these days, it probably wouldn't hurt as much as it should.
Between misguided political correctness, wrong statements perpetuated through generations of textbook revisions, and ideological sway that, sad to say, has a definite left-ward tilt, much of what passes for History or other social sciences in today's classrooms is bunk.
That's not to say that all the revisionist attempts by right-wing conservatives to rewrite the history is correct either.
It is meaningless to spit back dates and names when you are not taught the background behind things. I believe our teenagers can understand most of the concepts behind history, they're just not being taught.
We know the dates of the Civil War, and how many original colonies there were that signed the Dec. of Ind., but how many of you know WHY? And how much internal dissention there was between the colonies? How close we were to appointing G. Washington, King? How badly the Federalist and and anti-Federalists mistrusted each other?
Anyone know the REAL reason the northern states fought so much to keep the midwestern states north of Missouri free states instead of slave state? (The famous "Missouri Compromise" ??)
Here's a pop quiz: What one man between 1880 and 1920 did more to save the blue, sperm and grey whales from extinction than any other man, before or since?
Who REALLY invented the telephone? (Hint: His last name wasn't BELL...)
There'll be a quiz next period... :canttalk:

Krashed989
11-08-05, 06:40 PM
What one man between 1880 and 1920 did more to save the blue, sperm and grey whales from extinction than any other man, before or since?
Who REALLY invented the telephone? (Hint: His last name wasn't BELL...)
There'll be a quiz next period... :canttalk:

Abraham Gesner

People just assumed it was Alexander Graham Bell but he just modified the idea. The real inventor is not known, but is thought to be Philipp Reis. This is kind of like asking "Who invented the car?" There is no 'one' inventor of the car. The car is a compilation of inventions.

The sad thing is, I had to look these answers up. Except for the car thing, I looked that up years ago when I was doing a report on them.

mccombie_5
11-08-05, 06:41 PM
Unfortunately, given the quality of the educational experience in most US schools these days, it probably wouldn't hurt as much as it should.
Between misguided political correctness, wrong statements perpetuated through generations of textbook revisions, and ideological sway that, sad to say, has a definite left-ward tilt, much of what passes for History or other social sciences in today's classrooms is bunk.
That's not to say that all the revisionist attempts by right-wing conservatives to rewrite the history is correct either.
It is meaningless to spit back dates and names when you are not taught the background behind things. I believe our teenagers can understand most of the concepts behind history, they're just not being taught.
We know the dates of the Civil War, and how many original colonies there were that signed the Dec. of Ind., but how many of you know WHY? And how much internal dissention there was between the colonies? How close we were to appointing G. Washington, King? How badly the Federalist and and anti-Federalists mistrusted each other?
Anyone know the REAL reason the northern states fought so much to keep the midwestern states north of Missouri free states instead of slave state? (The famous "Missouri Compromise" ??)
Here's a pop quiz: What one man between 1880 and 1920 did more to save the blue, sperm and grey whales from extinction than any other man, before or since?
Who REALLY invented the telephone? (Hint: His last name wasn't BELL...)
There'll be a quiz next period... :canttalk:


I half expect you, along with this post to disappear int he trunk of a Black Lincoln Town Car with a red light in the dashboard.

BE aware :canttalk: :suspense: :suspect:





:lildevil: :shhh: :want:

JimHare
11-08-05, 06:53 PM
Abraham Gesner
People just assumed it was [FONT=Arial]Alexander Graham Bell but he just modified the idea. The real inventor is not known, but is thought to be Philipp Reis. This is kind of like asking "Who invented the car?" There is no 'one' inventor of the car. The car is a compilation of inventions.

More or less..what I was getting at is the fact that A.G. Bell bribed a patent clerk to pre-stamp his application for a patent, which had actually arrived three or so hours after Elisha Grey's very similar device....on the basis of the earlier time-stamp, Bell was awarded the patent, which led in time to The Bell System, AT&T, The Bell Labs, and Verizon...which network is behind YOU???? :lildevil:

JimHare
11-08-05, 06:55 PM
I half expect you, along with this post to disappear int he trunk of a Black Lincoln Town Car with a red light in the dashboard.
BE aware :canttalk: :suspense: :suspect:
:lildevil: :shhh: :want:

Wouldn't be at all suprised..they say there's lotsa room in those trunks..:hide:

mccombie_5
11-08-05, 06:59 PM
Wouldn't be at all suprised..they say there's lotsa room in those trunks..:hide:

LOL indeed.

Watch your back buddy :lildevil:

They know your thoughts now

Adam
11-08-05, 10:57 PM
why do you park in a driveway and drive on a parkway?

why is it called a highway when it isnt high?

why are there interstates in Hawaii? < i have never been to Hawaii and dont know if this last statement is true.

DopeStar 156
11-08-05, 11:27 PM
It is, H1 and H2 are the two highways in Hawaii. Dunno if they're "interstates" though.

Krashed989
11-09-05, 03:18 AM
The H1, H2, and H3 are on Oahu. They are "freeways" but you are by no means free, I mean your all caged in there with all the dividers and stuff.... and Yes they are called interstate highways... don't know why....

And how does a person become classified as normal? I mean nobody is like eachother, so aren't we all abnormal? maybe since we are all abnormal, it makes us normal? So we are all normally abnormal? and if we are all normally abnormal, how does one make the classification of abnormal? Maybe they are normal, and that makes them abnormal? and if they are abnormal for being normal, wouldn't that make them normal because we are all abnormal? :hmm:

:confused:

davesdeville
11-09-05, 07:53 AM
I don't think there's anything sinister implied there. It's just a bunch of cool coincidences. The one about Marylin was obviously just added for humor, and some are inaccurate. So what?


Unfortunately, given the quality of the educational experience in most US schools these days, it probably wouldn't hurt as much as it should.
Between misguided political correctness, wrong statements perpetuated through generations of textbook revisions, and ideological sway that, sad to say, has a definite left-ward tilt, much of what passes for History or other social sciences in today's classrooms is bunk.
That's not to say that all the revisionist attempts by right-wing conservatives to rewrite the history is correct either.
It is meaningless to spit back dates and names when you are not taught the background behind things. I believe our teenagers can understand most of the concepts behind history, they're just not being taught.

When was the last time you were in the US education system? How do you know it's so bad? :suspect:

BTW, I could make up questions that you wouldn't be able to answer either.