: Run -Flat Lawsuit



mister period
11-01-05, 06:18 AM
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Daily_Edition/Daily_Edition_Nov_1_2005.S173.A9557.html

Lawsuit Alleges Run-Flat Failures

Toyota and Goodyear are being sued for what claimants say are "defective" run-flat tires on the Sienna minivan. A New York law firm filed the suit on behalf of one Stanley Monk and other owners, the AP reports, who charge that the run-flat tires wear out after just 10,000 miles of use. The tires were made by Goodyear but sold under the Dunlop imprint on the Toyota minivan. Run-flat tires are designed with stiff sidewalls that provide on-road capability even when a tread puncture deflates the tire. Lawyers allege in the suit that the tire wear effectively means the tires must be replaced yearly at a cost of $1300 or more.

sefa01
11-01-05, 11:06 AM
With the CTS-V, we'd consider 10,000 miles long-term on the run flats. Maybe we should all contact the class actions lawyers and see if we can join the party--or have one of our own.

ylwjacket
11-01-05, 11:09 AM
I wonder if they ask the Sienna owners if they drive their cars hard when they wear out so quickly, like they asked me.

lawfive
11-01-05, 11:20 AM
Oh, man. The tires are what they are. And coffee is hot. Lawyers...

daytripper
11-01-05, 11:35 AM
Oh, man. The tires are what they are. And coffee is hot. Lawyers...

And what exactly are the Sienna tires. Perhaps you can bend your expectation of tire life for max performance summer tires on a hipo sports sedan, but I don't think I'd just roll over and accept 10k miles tire wear from a minivan.

I guess I'd have to know more about the treadwear rating on the tire and if the van has suspension or alignment issues, but unless buyers are told about tire wear being way far from what is normally expected from a vehicle in that class (minivan), I think there's going to be bad blood between Toyota and their buyers. As a buyer, why would you presume tires will last less than a year for just the benefit of not dragging along a spare and a jack.

I guess you are the ultimate proponent of let the buyer beware. Should have looked more closely at the tire labelling before they bought their van, LOL.

Brian R.

lawfive
11-01-05, 11:55 AM
And what exactly are the Sienna tires. Perhaps you can bend your expectation of tire life for max performance summer tires on a hipo sports sedan, but I don't think I'd just roll over and accept 10k miles tire wear from a minivan.

Sorry Brian; my comment was directed at the notion posted earlier that we should join/start class action litigation regarding the EMTs on the CTS-V.

On the other hand, maybe those Siennas are faster than I was thinking...

V-Max
11-01-05, 12:13 PM
...I wonder if they diff. and tranny noises?! Maybe they overloaded it with soccer balls. :)

I have not seen a tire wear issue case go anywhere.

Norm

patentguy
11-01-05, 12:13 PM
...dismissal upon motion for summary judgement...start the clock.

Joey'sVee
11-01-05, 12:54 PM
...dismissal upon motion for summary judgement...start the clock.

Huh?

lawfive
11-01-05, 01:18 PM
Huh?

It's a prediction of expected future litigation outcome. Translation: the plaintiff will lose and lose quickly. (Corollary: unless working on contingency, the plaintiff's lawyer will win!)

VELOSE
11-01-05, 01:41 PM
What if there's like 8 hungry hippos in the Sienna's daily? Isn't that a question that they should be asking? That would explain the low mileage on the tires.

patentguy
11-01-05, 02:00 PM
Do you mean you willingly exceeded the established capacity of the vehicle by accomodating 8 hippos in the vehicle on a continuous basis?
You were operating the vehicle in a known unsafe manner on a regular basis?

Who knows...but maybe this case may help us with the unreasonable and uncustomary wear we are experiencing with our tires.

Dreamin
11-01-05, 02:07 PM
The testimony of Mr. Appleton, the McDonald's executive, didn't help the company, jurors said later. He testified that McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious burns, but hadn't consulted burn experts about it. He also testified that McDonald's had decided not to warn customers about the possibility of severe burns, even though most people wouldn't think it possible. Finally, he testified that McDonald's didn't intend to change any of its coffee policies or procedures, saying, "There are more serious dangers in restaurants."

Mr. Elliott, the juror, says he began to realize that the case was about "callous disregard for the safety of the people."

Joey'sVee
11-01-05, 02:10 PM
I'm lost....I think what he said was I won a free tire :histeric:

lawfive
11-01-05, 02:14 PM
Mongo not drink coffee in morning. Mongo not able to handle first cup of coffee until Mongo already have first cup of coffee. That why Mongo drink Diet Coke in morning now.

Mmmmm... Diet Coke.

heavymetals
11-01-05, 02:37 PM
The lawyers must really be trolling when they are suing for tire wear.:histeric:

When you think about it, if the tires wear so fast, how come they are so expensive?
They should be stamping these out like cookies.
Me thinks oil companies aren't the only ones taking advantage of us.

Joey'sVee
11-01-05, 04:22 PM
The lawyers must really be trolling when they are suing for tire wear.:histeric:

When you think about it, if the tires wear so fast, how come they are so expensive?
They should be stamping these out like cookies.
Me thinks oil companies aren't the only ones taking advantage of us.

lol!!

r_casino
11-01-05, 04:33 PM
Two of the claims by the plaintiff make this sort of interesting...

- he called the 1800 Dunlop number and was told the tires should last 40,000 miles.

- the treadwear rating is apparently 360 which he claims is not in line with a tire that lasts less than 10,000 miles

CVP33
11-01-05, 06:23 PM
Freekin' abusive mini-van drivers. Nothing worse I tell ya!:bigroll:

Mikes V
11-01-05, 07:04 PM
I used to work for a Toyota dealer for 4 1/2 years in the parts and accessories dept. We had a pretty good tire program for our customers, and never once did I see some run flats come through our warehouse for stock. BUT.....I did hear the sales people consistantly say it had run flats instead of the tire pressure sensors. It, and many other models from Toyota, do have those!!!

onephatguy
11-02-05, 01:07 AM
Oh, man. The tires are what they are. And coffee is hot. Lawyers...

I like this comment. All too often people do not take responsibility for their own actions. We want to blame someone else for our mistakes and make them pay for it. That McDonalds law suit was ridiculous. I believe that is when these lawsuits started getting out of hand. People trying to get rich at someone else's expense. :want:

Koooop
11-02-05, 11:40 PM
I don't rent to smokers, people with pets or Lawyers. :canttalk: (did I say that out loud?)

Dave's V
11-02-05, 11:52 PM
Run flats have bad wear characteristics?? Whatever gave them that idea? And Cadillac thought that we are abusing our cars.

Barak
11-05-05, 10:45 PM
The week before SEMA I was in Michigan for the automotive testing expo and a guy came up to our booth and asked if we did tire testing. I asked him a few questions to get further details of exactly what he wanted but he was very reluctant to tell me any information including even the make of the vehicle. He just kept saying that he needed a test program to confirm whether or not excessive tire wear on a particular vehicle was actually occuring. I laughed and asked him if it was a CTS-V and he replied no. I would have never guessed that it might have been a minivan.

Dennisscars
11-06-05, 12:11 AM
I'd prefer my car really go 0-60 in 4.6