: What's a Fine White Wine?



RobertCTS
10-30-05, 11:50 AM
I found after trying several brands of a wine and I find one I like, I stop looking. I have found price is often an indicator of a good wine but not always. I picked white wines because they have been my favorites.
How about location? Napa Valley, France, Germany, Africa, Australia etc.
Right know my favorite wine is Chardonnay. Location..Napa Valley and Australia.
My favorite brand? Fetzers of Napa and Lindemans of Australia.
I've gotten to this level from Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill. :D
Share your favorites. Do you still experiment with others or stay with your favorites?

DeVillish
10-30-05, 12:57 PM
This is why i cant wait to turn 21. I could care less about getting trashed, hell i could do that now if i really wanted to. I want to be able to enjoy a good wine and a steak! Ok so what i just said really didnt help with anything you asked...lol

Rolex
10-30-05, 02:18 PM
My very favorite white wine is Cakebread Cellars chardonay ($45). They also make a fine sauvignon blanc ($25).

A close second favorite to the Cakebread Chardonay is Louis Jadot Pouilly Fuse ($20-25). Obviously a French wine....but still quite tasty. :D

SilverCTS
10-30-05, 03:57 PM
Wine is one of my favorite subjects.

I have a wine cooler built into our kitchen cabinets. It perfectly simulates the conditions of a wine sellar.

Personally, I prefer red wine, but I love white wine as well.

Chalk Hill makes great Chardonnay and other white wines, but it may be pricey for some. http://www.chalkhill.com/

There are a lot of great white wines that are very affordable. This is what I have in stock right now. All are very good.

Rosemount Estate (Australian) makes a great Chardonnay / Semillon blend
Clos Du Bois Chardonnay
Clos Du Bois Sauvignon Blanc
Meridian Chardonnay

mccombie_5
10-30-05, 04:05 PM
Wine is one of my favorite subjects.
I have a wine cooler built into our kitchen cabinets. It perfectly simulates the conditions of a wine sellar.

I have one of those too!!

It never has any wine in it though! :nono:

Its usually full of bottles of coke, since i dont drink wine much, and my wife doesnt drink as much as she did, she was quite a wine enthusiast, then she went off wine, che drinks Bacardi and coke now....

Spyder
10-30-05, 06:07 PM
Cakebread is quite good...had it for the first time in Vegas a few months back. For an under-ten-dollar a bottle white, I really like Rancho Zabaco's Dancing Bull...they also make a Zinfindel which is incredibly good, but their sauvignan blanc is great as well...about seven bucks a bottle...

Jesda
10-30-05, 06:21 PM
Columbia Crest

CVP33
10-30-05, 06:31 PM
Here's my wine story. Last winter I toured the Williamsburg Winery. Very nice with great owners. The dinner was unbelievable. We tasted 5 whites, 5 reds during our dinner. Their Reserve wines were incredible. I'm not a wine drinker and so I have no pallet. I enjoy a good White vs. a Red which tastes to dry and bitter to me. The evening culminated with a raspberry cheesecake desert that was incredible. The wine served with desert was my favorite and so of course I asked for more. I kept going on and on to the owner's son about how good this wine was. He finally explained to me that is was a dessert wine that had been fortified with a raspberry liquor. NO WONDER I LIKED IT! I was practically drinking Boone's Farm. :histeric:

SpeedyArizona
10-30-05, 07:55 PM
I have on of those wine coolers that came with my condo, but mine always has tens of bottles of Mountain Dew in it. I do enjoy a glass White Zinfandel every so often after work. I enjoy the finer things in life:

Sitting on the balcony looking west onto the golf course over the Arizona sunset drinking a BUDWEISER :D!

I never cared for red wine, white wine is ok. I just like cheap beer with steak on the grill and Charlie Daniels playing in the backround.

SilverCTS
10-30-05, 08:07 PM
I have on of those wine coolers that came with my condo, but mine always has tens of bottles of Mountain Dew in it. I do enjoy a glass White Zinfandel every so often after work. I enjoy the finer things in life:

Sitting on the balcony looking west onto the golf course over the Arizona sunset drinking a BUDWEISER :D!

I never cared for red wine, white wine is ok. I just like cheap beer with steak on the grill and Charlie Daniels playing in the backround.

I like beer as well. Our refrigerator in the garage is always well stocked with all sorts of beer. You can't sip wine when eating hot & spicy food, but you can drink beer.

But our wine cooler has nothing but wine, port, and champagne in it.

The people that collect our recyclables must think we're a bunch of lunatics.

SilverCTS
10-30-05, 10:13 PM
Cakebread is quite good...had it for the first time in Vegas a few months back. For an under-ten-dollar a bottle white, I really like Rancho Zabaco's Dancing Bull...they also make a Zinfindel which is incredibly good, but their sauvignan blanc is great as well...about seven bucks a bottle...

Rancho Zabaco Zinfindel is really good. I always stock up on several bottles when I visit the wine store. You can't beat it for the price.

Hawk Crest Cabernet Sauvignon is another bargain. It comes from the famous Stag's Leap district in Napa Valley. It tastes like a $50 bottle wine, but you could get it for $12 a bottle.

DopeStar 156
10-30-05, 10:41 PM
Sutter Home Chardonnay seems to sell well where I work. I'm gonna say that. Mmmm, time for this little guinnea to go get himself a glass.....

davesdeville
10-31-05, 02:06 AM
Someone already mentioned one of my favorites, Boones Farm Strawberry Hill (or Sangria.) That's about all that's in my price range, so I deal with it. I'm more of a beer drinker though (unless I'm trying to get trashed, in which case it's the hard stuff.)

RobertCTS
10-31-05, 07:40 AM
My very favorite white wine is Cakebread Cellars chardonay ($45). They also make a fine sauvignon blanc ($25).

A close second favorite to the Cakebread Chardonay is Louis Jadot Pouilly Fuse ($20-25). Obviously a French wine....but still quite tasty. :D

Cakebread..I've never seen it on the shelves. At $45/bottle it would be for special moments. Thanks for the tip!:yup:

RobertCTS
10-31-05, 07:45 AM
Wine is one of my favorite subjects.
I have a wine cooler built into our kitchen cabinets. It perfectly simulates the conditions of a wine sellar.
About 55 degrees. The temperature of the ground or well water.
The worst enemie of wine is oxidation. If you don't have a small vacuum pump to remove any air after opening, you should consume the rest of the wine because the next day the wine will not be a good.
I have a pump but I hide it so I have reason to drink the rest of the bottle.


:Offtopic: but as to beer, my favorite is Bud Ice Light. Best served just when it start to crystalize in the freezer.:yup:

turbojimmy
10-31-05, 09:50 AM
I like anything from Australia or New Zealand.

I second the vote for Clos Du Bois, too. Their Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon is very good but hard to find. It's a bit more than the 'regular' stuff but as far as wines go it's still reasonable.

Jim

RobertCTS
10-31-05, 09:54 AM
I like anything from Australia or New Zealand.

I second the vote for Clos Du Bois, too. Their Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon is very good but hard to find. It's a bit more than the 'regular' stuff but as far as wines go it's still reasonable. Jim

I've seen that on the shelves. It's a French name but a CA wine right?:hmm:

turbojimmy
10-31-05, 11:09 AM
I've seen that on the shelves. It's a French name but a CA wine right?:hmm:

Yes it is tricky. It's a CA wine, Alexander Valley according to their website.

Jim

RobertCTS
10-31-05, 11:26 AM
Anyone try any blends? I recently tried a blend of Chardonnay and Reisling wines. Very, very good. Almost a sparkling wine. A lot of the Rose wines are blends.

Rolex
10-31-05, 01:51 PM
Anyone try any blends? I recently tried a blend of Chardonnay and Reisling wines. Very, very good. Almost a sparkling wine. A lot of the Rose wines are blends.

I've tried a few cab/merlot and shiraz/merlot blends that were very good. Never tried any white or blush blends that I can recall.

Rolex
10-31-05, 01:55 PM
Cakebread..I've never seen it on the shelves. At $45/bottle it would be for special moments. Thanks for the tip!:yup:

You should try at least one bottle of the Cakebread chardonay! I keep a bottle or two in the top of my pantry for special guests (though you'll probably want to keep it all to yourself ;)).

The Jadot Pouilly Fuse is much less expensive and is ALWAYS a good bottle to share.

RobertCTS
10-31-05, 02:13 PM
We have a vineyard not to far from me. It's called Willow Hill Vineyards. They have a very large deck that overlooks the vineyard from a small hill and a lovely lake with willow trees. There are tables and umbrellas on the deck. You bring your own foods like special breads, cheeses, olives and dips. You buy your wine from the vineyard store and take it to your table. Wow, that is so great to joins friends and chat for hours on end. No waiters to rush you out. Yes, the wine is very good. This is the final year for Willow Hill as the owner is retiring. He said he really loved his work and that this was his second time to retire. Damn I'll miss that special place.!!

Rolex
10-31-05, 02:51 PM
Sounds nice. Too bad it's changing hands or closing.

RobertCTS
10-31-05, 03:09 PM
Sounds nice. Too bad it's changing hands or closing.

Unfortunately it will not change hands. No family members and he and his wife want to stay on the lovely property.

ShadowLvr400
10-31-05, 03:16 PM
Schmidt Sohne makes a pretty good Reisling, that's very inexpensive. If you want a very sweet wine, that admittedly will cost you, look for some Eiswein. Runs about $80 or so a bottle, but it's a sweet dessert wine.

RobertCTS
10-31-05, 03:18 PM
Schmidt Sohne makes a pretty good Reisling, that's very inexpensive. If you want a very sweet wine, that admittedly will cost you, look for some Eiswein. Runs about $80 or so a bottle, but it's a sweet dessert wine.

I've not had that brand of Reisling. Do you consider Reisling to be a sweet wine?

ShadowLvr400
10-31-05, 03:22 PM
This is a very dry Reisling, as are many of the German Reislings. The Eiswein isn't in the Reisling family, it's a white dessert wine. In many ways, it reminded me almost of apple juice in the sweetness level. Only about 8% alcohol, vs the Reisling's 12-12.5%

RobertCTS
10-31-05, 03:49 PM
This is a very dry Reisling, as are many of the German Reislings. The Eiswein isn't in the Reisling family, it's a white dessert wine. In many ways, it reminded me almost of apple juice in the sweetness level. Only about 8% alcohol, vs the Reisling's 12-12.5%

I didn't know that. Learned something new today.

Eiswein..my first thought was it sounded like Ice Wine. Anyone try Ice Wine? Can cost up to $100 per bottle. It has a lot of sugar content and is very sweet. A bit like a dessert wine.

RobertCTS
10-31-05, 05:17 PM
Something that is delicious with Wine is Cheese.
Tonite I picked up a bottle of Clos Du Bois that you guys recommended and a pack of Boursin soft cheese w/garlic & Herbs along with some flatbread. My oh my what a treat!!:cloud9:

Thanks for the tip!:D

Rolex
10-31-05, 09:25 PM
Yup...wine and cheese sounds great. I'm not much of a fan of really sweet desert wines. I prefer dense, dry reds, but have found quite a few whites that I really enjoy. I like a chilled white on really hot days.

My wife and I have friends from Idaho that send us Idaho wines every year. Idaho soil is very fertile, which is typically not great for growing grapes. All the wines they send us are made from different fruits which can sometimes be interesting. They've sent us muscadine and boysenberry wines. Both were pretty sweet and VERY fragrant.

About a year ago I bought a friend from Missouri a pretty expensive bottle he wouldn't buy for himself. A few weeks ago after they visited us I was looking in my wine rack and found he did the same for me. I have a pretty pricey merlot that I'll open to share with him during his next visit. :D


ETA: all this wine chat has made me pour a glass of Cakebread Chardonay. :p

mtflight
11-01-05, 01:12 AM
Chilean wine is good, so is the wine from Argentina. Being into raising cattle, their reds are probably more prominent. I myself, prefer red.

RobertCTS
11-01-05, 05:49 AM
I looked for the Rolex CakeBread but couldn't find it the grocery stores. Probably have to go to www.wine.com (http://www.wine.com).

You would probably have to go to the winemaker for this beautiful wine blend. It's a CA wine. It's a chardonnay & Reisling mix. "leapfrogmilch" is the name. "Frogs Leap Winery is the manufacturer. They do have a website where you can order. I think you would be pleasantly surprised.:yup:
http://www.frogsleap.com/flash/intro.html

RobertCTS
11-01-05, 10:27 AM
I am a bit of an odity when it comes to adding wine to meals. Certain wines are recommended with certain foods. I really don't like wine with my meal.
Ice water is preferred so I can enjoy the food.

I also don't taste or smell all the tastes and fragrances that other say they.
Oak, nuts, peaches, apples, citrous, woody etc. Actually I'm looking for a taste of grapes. I can at time smell the wood from aging.

ShadowLvr400
11-01-05, 12:42 PM
I also don't taste or smell all the tastes and fragrances that other say they.
Oak, nuts, peaches, apples, citrous, woody etc. Actually I'm looking for a taste of grapes. I can at time smell the wood from aging.



In that case, you're most likely, drinking New World wines. The US especially likes to use oak barrels for aging. If you move to many of the French, Italian, Spanish, Portugese, and German wines, you'll get more fruit, less oak. Find some French, white wines, ranked Vin de Pais. That's a quality rating used among french wines, it's "good" but not the best, or the worst. A bottle will likely run you in the range of $15-30. That should give you the fruit flavors you want. I don't have any specific ones right here, but I'll locate one for you.

RobertCTS
11-01-05, 01:20 PM
In that case, you're most likely, drinking New World wines. The US especially likes to use oak barrels for aging. If you move to many of the French, Italian, Spanish, Portugese, and German wines, you'll get more fruit, less oak. Find some French, white wines, ranked Vin de Pais. That's a quality rating used among french wines, it's "good" but not the best, or the worst. A bottle will likely run you in the range of $15-30. That should give you the fruit flavors you want. I don't have any specific ones right here, but I'll locate one for you.

I just noticed under your avatar the words "Cadillac Chef" Are you by chance a Chef?
It gives more credence to your words.

RobertCTS
11-01-05, 01:26 PM
This might be a Tip for some. If you have cable , check out "The Thirsty Traveler" It's on the "Fine Living" Channel. 6:30PM here in Ohio. This guy travels all over the world to show the vineyards, the process and the differences in tastes. He humorous and entertaining while bringing a wealth of information on wine, whiskey and beer.:)

JoCan
11-01-05, 02:45 PM
Ferrari-Carano Chardonnay is a very good choice in white's http://www.ferrari-carano.com/
What the website does not tell you is Don Carano also owns the Eldorado :rolleyes: hotel/casino in Reno, NV

lawfive
11-01-05, 03:14 PM
My wife and I went to a wine tasting dinner at (of all things) a local sushi restaurant, and we lucked into the premium selection from J. Lohr Vineyards. I drink reds and I'm not generally a big fan of white wines, but I loved their 2003 Arroyo Vista Vineyard Chardonnay: it has some of the complexity that I drink reds for, but is also subtle (e.g. not for people that like lots of fruit-forward flavor or California-oak-in-your-face). We got it for $16.50 a bottle (normally $25).

What I really loved, though, were the red blends: Cuvee Pau, Cuvee Pom, and Cuvee St. E. Mmmmm, good stuff! We mixed the Pau and Pom at $35.00 a bottle (normally $50).

http://www.jlohr.com/wines_main.html

RobertCTS
11-01-05, 03:22 PM
My wife and I went to a wine tasting dinner at (of all things) a local sushi restaurant, and we lucked into the premium selection from J. Lohr Vineyards. I drink reds and I'm not generally a big fan of white wines, but I loved their 2003 Arroyo Vista Vineyard Chardonnay: it has some of the complexity that I drink reds for, but is also subtle (e.g. not for people that like lots of fruit-forward flavor or California-oak-in-your-face). We got it for $16.50 a bottle (normally $25).

What I really loved, though, were the red blends: Cuvee Pau, Cuvee Pom, and Cuvee St. E. Mmmmm, good stuff! We mixed the Pau and Pom at $35.00 a bottle (normally $50).

http://www.jlohr.com/wines_main.html

We have a restaurant that serves a delicious dinner and with it several wines to taste. That's how I discovered the Leapfrogmilch Reisling/Chardonnay blend. They then offered the wines at discounted prices. I just ordered another 4 bottles direct from the vineyard and paid more than I did at the dinner. I enjoyed that and it gives you the opportunity to get out and mix with other people.

Rolex
11-01-05, 07:11 PM
I also don't taste or smell all the tastes and fragrances that other say they.
Oak, nuts, peaches, apples, citrous, woody etc. Actually I'm looking for a taste of grapes. I can at time smell the wood from aging.

This makes me laugh. There's a guy at the local wine store who reads a little too much about wines. Every bottle you pick up to read he gives this long-winded dissertation on the tannins, the nose, the body.....it's almost laughable. "It's has a buttery nose with a hint of honeysuclke. The palate blah blah blah." When you ask him if he's ever actually tried the wine he usually says no. :helpless:

I'm not sure my palate is that sophisticated, but I'm working on it! :p

RobertCTS
11-01-05, 07:16 PM
This makes me laugh. There's a guy at the local wine store who reads a little too much about wines. Every bottle you pick up to read he gives this long-winded dissertation on the tannins, the nose, the body.....it's almost laughable. "It's has a buttery nose with a hint of honeysuclke. The palate blah blah blah." When you ask him if he's ever actually tried the wine he usually says no. :helpless:

I'm not sure my palate is that sophisticated, but I'm working on it! :p

Ahhh Rolex..I thought it was only me. :p Thanks for the security blanket!:cloud9:

ShadowLvr400
11-01-05, 08:23 PM
I just noticed under your avatar the words "Cadillac Chef" Are you by chance a Chef?
It gives more credence to your words.


In training, yes sir. By May, I'll be a Certified Culinarian, with an AAS in the Culinary Arts, ACF recognition, and ServSafe Certification. 41k for this Le Cordon Blue training. :)

Additionally, I'm also one of those jacks of all trades. I can typically tell you at least a little bit about virtually any subject. If I don't know the answer, in many cases, I know where to look for it. Odd desire to learn, and to always have stimuli, always.

RobertCTS
11-02-05, 05:05 AM
In training, yes sir. By May, I'll be a Certified Culinarian, with an AAS in the Culinary Arts, ACF recognition, and ServSafe Certification. 41k for this Le Cordon Blue training. :)

Additionally, I'm also one of those jacks of all trades. I can typically tell you at least a little bit about virtually any subject. If I don't know the answer, in many cases, I know where to look for it. Odd desire to learn, and to always have stimuli, always.

Good for you! This thread can work both ways for you then. You may pick up some good advise on rare wines.