: 1964 429cid valves and lifters - where to buy



vanaisa
10-25-05, 12:56 PM
Opened engine heads in my new toy today and 4 valves are bad :mad: and all engine covered inside with some f**** grease. Unbelievable - who does sutch things:confused:
Long story, but anyway i need 4 new valves and rockers.
So can you guys give advice, where to buy? I need to ship them fast too (so its UPS probably?). I tried to contact Maddog Racing in Florida, but seems, that their web page is down :(

terrible one
10-25-05, 05:13 PM
Just curious, what's wrong with these 4 valves? What is wrong with the lifters? Just trying to get some more information.

I'm sure Al at MTS would have what you need. www.500cid.com

vanaisa
10-26-05, 05:26 AM
I think previous owner/seller used lots of oil leak stop chemicals in this engine (some odd gray stuff anyway), so some oil passages somewhere are closed and rockers are hammered valve heads...
(hmm, my english skils are little weak, to describe exactly, what happened:hmm: )
See pictures
http://www.cadillac.pri.ee/64/rockers.jpg
http://www.cadillac.pri.ee/64/gray%20stuff.jpg
http://www.cadillac.pri.ee/64/valve1.jpg
http://www.cadillac.pri.ee/64/valve2.jpg
http://www.cadillac.pri.ee/64/valve3.jpg
http://www.cadillac.pri.ee/64/valve4.jpg
maybe they explains more...
As i see, i need minimum 6 rockers and 6 valves....

terrible one
10-26-05, 08:28 AM
Pictures help a lot. I'm no expert on heads or anything, but if you look at the pushrods and can't see through them (they are hollow for oil to travel through to get to the rockers) then they are clogged with the stuff, and you will need new ones unless you can unclog them. However, if they are clogged up they are probably what's causing the lack of oil and offer a pretty easy solution to the oil delivery problem.

www.500cid.com e-mail Al, he will probably have pushrods for you and possibly rockers that will work or that are just laying around if you need them.

Lifters can be found on Summit and on Ebay. Manley intake and exhaust valves on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/S1580-MANLEY-INTAKE-VALVES-1965-67-CADILLAC-429_W0QQitemZ4554716389QQcategoryZ34202QQssPageNam eZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/A1581-MANLEY-EXHAUST-VALVES-1965-67-CADILLAC-429_W0QQitemZ4554716743QQcategoryZ34202QQssPageNam eZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The Ape Man
10-26-05, 10:34 AM
The Grey stuff could be lead deposits. Treat it like toxic waste. The valves cannot be changed without removing the cylinder heads. You must make sure that there is enough oil pressure to stop this from happening again. If the inside of the oil pan looks like the top of the engine then you may have problems there also. Might be time to pull the engine out for inspection.

vanaisa
10-26-05, 10:55 AM
Thanks guys,
Engine is pulled out, same with heads, also opened bottom and few bearings - they are OK.
Oil pan is also clean exept oil, what is probably same age, that car(i always wonder why people dont change oil as supposed). As i opened engine, i probably change oil pump and water pump as well. But question: i think it will be wise change all valves in same time, also valve seats - am i right?
And, are there any difference between 1959...65 and 1966..67 valves? Looks like they are sold in different prices???
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/A1277-MANLEY-EXHAUST-VALVES-CADILLAC-390-429-1959-65_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34202QQitemZ45486638 37
vs.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/A1581-MANLEY-EXHAUST-VALVES-1965-67-CADILLAC-429_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34202QQitemZ4554716 743

I have 1967 Eldorado too, but i never opened this engine.

terrible one
10-27-05, 07:58 AM
Yes there is a difference between valves. Get the ones correct for your year. I don't know much about heads, etc. But I would change the valve seats just to be safe. Once again I don't know what kind of wear they experience, etc.

Don't know what a lead deposit is. Care to explain Ape?

vanaisa
10-27-05, 01:48 PM
OK, Al cant help me, but Maddog can, so lets see, what they offer.
I think, its good to change valve seats, as heads are off - unleaded fuel isnt good for those old seats.

terrible one
10-27-05, 06:59 PM
Right on.

caddydaddy
10-28-05, 09:09 AM
Try Egge for engine parts.

vanaisa
10-28-05, 09:20 AM
Try Egge for engine parts.

You mean http://www.egge.com/ ?

caddydaddy
10-28-05, 09:40 AM
Yes, Egge sells the valves you need! There's other places as well, but they are one of the better ones.

vanaisa
10-28-05, 09:43 AM
Thanks, i look there. :worship:

caddydaddy
10-28-05, 09:47 AM
Also, USA Parts Supply should have what you are looking for as well.

http://www.usapartssupply.com/

vanaisa
11-16-05, 04:50 PM
OK, engine is fine now, still waiting engine mounts, then its done.
Thanks to everyone!

terrible one
11-16-05, 06:08 PM
Cool deal.