Well I just got my car back. I just had a new purge valve put on my car, and had the idle speeds on my car adjusted because they were all wacky since I got my remanned carb. I was told that everything is now perfect, as it should be, the car has been restored to it's original luster. I picked it up tonight and TO ME the fast idle still sounded fast and the car still seemed to jump when put in gear. To be honest I just don't know. I can't tell if this is what normal is because I've been driving it messed up for so long it all sounds funny to me. Is the car supposed to jump a little when you pop it in gear? How fast is the fast idle supposed to be? I seriously can't tell if this is normal or what. Can somoene if you have the know how and means to post a sound clip of the proper idle speeds or send me the file? I just wanna hear the fast idle, low idle, and in drive with the brake held down. I think at this point if it's still not right after several visits to the shop I'm just going to go to a dealer and have the GM guys look at it and tell me where it's supposed to be. I figure they'd know better than these guys at my shop would. :hmm: :confused: :bonkers:

Well, I dont think I can post a sound clip or anything, but I think I know what your talking about. At least with the jumpo when you put it in gear. My car, when its in the fast idle, it actually seems to slowly speed itself up the warmer it gets, untill I finally have to stop it from revving too high(even if it isnt totally warmed up) Id assume that the car should idle at about 1000 rpm give or take once warmed up. I know that bad vacume lines can easilly effect idle speeds and the smoothness of shifting. If you havent already, id go over and replace any cracked, dry rotted, or collapsed vacume lines. Im currently doing this to my car and it seems to be helping, though unfourtunatly Ive been havin gother problems with the car and have yet to finish. Good luck though

Yeah mine does that too. I'll choke it, start, and it's fast, then ti goes down, then starts to go up. However when I drop it, it'll still jump forward into gear. It's not like a violent jump like it was but it's a jump none the less. As far as I know all the vac lines were replaced with the new carb. Do you have a digital camera with a sound recording feature? Or even a video would work. If you can or anyone else I'll PM you my email and if you could email me that, it would be great.

...I think at this point if it's still not right after several visits to the shop I'm just going to go to a dealer and have the GM guys look at it and tell me where it's supposed to be. I figure they'd know better than these guys at my shop would. :hmm: :confused: :bonkers:

Not a bad idea, and what FINALLY happened to us after spending hundreds of dollars in two different shops to get my father's Roadmaster worked on, only for it to get parts it never really needed and come out more screwed up than when it came in.

When we took the other car to the dealer then to get stuff fixed, at least they were not only familiar with most everything on the car, but also had the best and latest diagnostic tools, worked the fastest, and ended up charging less than anyone else would have, not to mention fixing what needed fixing on the first try. Then again, this dealership has a pretty high ranking service department, so I would imagine not all would be as good.

Yeah, well I'm gonna drive the car for a few days and see how I like it. If it doesn't bother me I won't mess with it.

If you're concerned about a high idle, drive to the shop and ask them to hook it up to a tach and show you...

i think that once the car is warmed up, and placed in gear that the idle is supposed to be like 550-700rpm or something. dont quote that though, its just off the top of my head, i'll look it up and see if i can find some real stats

Performance Olds 307. Tuning The Q Jet ... Adjusting The Engine Idle Speed (RPMs).

The 307 likes to idle at about 600 in gear and 800 out of gear. ...

performanceolds307.tripod.com/id5.html

Go to Autozone or O'Reily's and put a scanner on it while she's running. They can show you the idle speed in park and gear.

The sticker on the front of my car says to adjust the fast idle to 550 RPM in drive. At 550 RPM, the car doesn't jump at all when I put her into gear.

On carbureted cars, the proper start-up procedure is as follows:
1. Set choke by pressing on gas pedal (a couple pumps of the pedal sets the choke and primes the system by shooting a little fuel into the carb/intake).
2. Start engine and allow to climb to a smooth fast idle.
3. Before putting transmission in "Drive", tap the gas pedal to release the high-idle.
4. As idle slows to normal curb idle, THEN put trans in "Drive".

The reason for this is: when cold, the carb choke assembly spring forces the throttle shaft into a high-idle position on the high-idle cam (located on the right side of the carb). Even once the engine is warm, and the choke totally open, the carb will stay at high-idle until you tap the gas which releases the high-idle cam. The high-idle IS adjustable, and on your car, it should be adjusted to 550rpm in "Drive".
The reason for the idle climbing characteristic you mentioned is that as the choke opens, the idle mixture goes from a very rich mixture to a normal one, and that translates into a higher idle. If the choke and fast idle are properly adjusted, the idle difference won't be too great but in any case it's certainly a noticable change.
If, for some reason the high-idle doesn't drop off as soon as you tap the gas once, either the choke is not fully open, or the choke linkage is binding. Either situation is easily remedied via a simple adjustment.
Failing to tap the gas and drop the idle prior to putting the trans in "Drive" is bad for the trans and the entire drivetrain.
These are obviously things you don't have to worry about on EFI cars but that's life with a carburetor! ;)

Mmmmm...carburators. Katshot, Im, gonna have to print your post and glue a copy onto my friends dashboard. Lol, he has a few classic cars he is "restoring" Sadly, he has never had the pleasure of actually driving a carburated car. I remember a few times when hed go to start up his 72 dodge coronet (cop car to be) hed do it all wrong and it would stall instantly. Lol, kids theese days.

Kids huh? ;)
It IS funny though to think of things like this that are so normal to us older folks, as something that needs to be taught to anybody. There are a lot of things that we (older folks) grew up learning that younger folks simply never had to learn due to modern technology. Of course, as younger folks explore older tech items (like carbureted cars), they find themselves at a loss. Now don't get me wrong, I DON'T consider myself OLD be any stretch but never the less......
Anybody here remember:

1. Smacking the side of a TV to gain a clearer picture?
2. How about VHF and UHF TV stations?
3. Setting point gaps with a match book cover?
4. Driving cars with non-synchronized transmissions?
5. Driving cars with no gas gauges?
6. Driving cars with a 3-on-the-tree?

There's a lot more too. Anybody got any to add?

Wow dude no gas gauge? Haha sucks. Yeah though I'm gonna take the car out tomorrow and see how it performs, Hopefully it won't be too cold tomorrow and that won't mess with the idle.

Yep, no gas gauge. You really had to pay attention to the mileage. One of my cars actually had a reserve tank valve like a motorcycle!

Yep, no gas gauge. You really had to pay attention to the mileage. One of my cars actually had a reserve tank valve like a motorcycle!
Haha shit dude! How long ago was this?! :canttalk:

Back in the early 70's. The car was a '59 VW Beetle. I was really into VW's for a while back then. I did a number of custom ones and a couple ground up restorations. For a while I had a VW engine building business too. Then I got more into domestic performance cars and the VWs went bye-bye! ;)

Kids huh? ;)
It IS funny though to think of things like this that are so normal to us older folks, as something that needs to be taught to anybody. There are a lot of things that we (older folks) grew up learning that younger folks simply never had to learn due to modern technology. Of course, as younger folks explore older tech items (like carbureted cars), they find themselves at a loss. Now don't get me wrong, I DON'T consider myself OLD be any stretch but never the less......
Anybody here remember:

1. Smacking the side of a TV to gain a clearer picture?
2. How about VHF and UHF TV stations?
3. Setting point gaps with a match book cover?
4. Driving cars with non-synchronized transmissions?
5. Driving cars with no gas gauges?
6. Driving cars with a 3-on-the-tree?

There's a lot more too. Anybody got any to add?


Manual chokes.

Luxury cars that came from the factory with Holley carbonators. '72 Imperial, 72 Contenential.

Front drum brakes.

Chrysler Corp. on the edge of extinction 1981 stock $6.00. Ronald Rayguns bailing them out with federal loan.

Crappy American econoboxes. Chevettes, Vegas, Pintos, AMC, Pacer, GM's X platform.

Bias ply tires.

Super Sport Stones.

Disco Sucks bumper stickers.

Gas stations that delivered fuel in Liters instead of gallons. Push for metric system here in the states.

Price of gasoline first time I bought any $0.59 .

Sears wind-up lawn mower starters.

Tube stereo systems. Still have 'em!

Thrush mufflers.

T.V. sets that had to warm up.

Boss 302 cylinder heads with ports so large you could slip a full deck of cards through.

T.V. sets that made a small bright circle in the center of the screen for a minute after being shut down.

Orange Hayes 10" Pressure plate.

Music on AM stations that had reverb added. Sometimes they left it on during the news.

Entire model years for GM where most of the paint flaked off '73,4.

GM getting it's act together in the rustproofing department. 1977. First year for GM cars that didn't rust like hell.

Nightly Vietnam casuality report by talking heads. Good old Walter Cronkite.

Being a teenager with a beater hotrod that could easily kick the crap out of anything a rich kid's parents could buy new.

Cars without tinted glass or factory air.

2 door cars with doors made from a couple of soup cans without crash beams. '67/8/9 Barracuda.

Chrysler Cordoba which was a stretch Barracuda. Lean burn instead of a catalyst. Corinthian leather. Feel the power.

$7.00 minimum gas purchase for 6 and V8 cars. $5.00 minimum for 4 bangers.

You don't have to smack your current TV set? What brand is it?

Manual chokes.

Luxury cars that came from the factory with Holley carbonators. '72 Imperial, 72 Contenential.

Front drum brakes.

Chrysler Corp. on the edge of extinction 1981 stock $6.00. Ronald Rayguns bailing them out with federal loan.

Crappy American econoboxes. Chevettes, Vegas, Pintos, AMC, Pacer, GM's X platform.

Bias ply tires.

Super Sport Stones.

Disco Sucks bumper stickers.

Gas stations that delivered fuel in Liters instead of gallons. Push for metric system here in the states.

Price of gasoline first time I bought any $0.59 .

Sears wind-up lawn mower starters.

Tube stereo systems. Still have 'em!

Thrush mufflers.

T.V. sets that had to warm up.

Boss 302 cylinder heads with ports so large you could slip a full deck of cards through.

T.V. sets that made a small bright circle in the center of the screen for a minute after being shut down.

Orange Hayes 10" Pressure plate.

Music on AM stations that had reverb added. Sometimes they left it on during the news.

Entire model years for GM where most of the paint flaked off '73,4.

GM getting it's act together in the rustproofing department. 1977. First year for GM cars that didn't rust like hell.

Nightly Vietnam casuality report by talking heads. Good old Walter Cronkite.

Being a teenager with a beater hotrod that could easily kick the crap out of anything a rich kid's parents could buy new.

Cars without tinted glass or factory air.

2 door cars with doors made from a couple of soup cans without crash beams. '67/8/9 Barracuda.

Chrysler Cordoba which was a stretch Barracuda. Lean burn instead of a catalyst. Corinthian leather. Feel the power.

$7.00 minimum gas purchase for 6 and V8 cars. $5.00 minimum for 4 bangers.

You don't have to smack your current TV set? What brand is it?


LOL!!!:histeric:
OMG, I can't tell you how many of those brought back memories (not always good ones). I remember the wind-up lawnmower starters, my parents had one. At one point I was stuck with working two of the WORST cars on the planet (my dad had a Citation and my mom had a Chevette). The TVs warming up was so true. I remember replacing tubes in early TVs and radios. Hell, I had at least a dozen cars before I actually had one with A/C! I had Thrush glass-packs on my '70 'Cuda. Well the list goes on like you said. Things HAVE really changed huh? Also, remember how cars didn't used to come with right side mirrors? I'll bet I had a couple dozen cars before I actually got one that came with a right side mirror. It was one of the first things I did to a car when I got it.
And no, I don't have to smack my TVs anymore. That probably ended when I got rid of my last Zenith TV! LOL!

katshot
How about the drive-in movie, quadraphonic stereo,( when I buy music, I still say "I got a new record album")

Later

You're right! I still do the same thing. I guess they'll always be albums to me. I actually have a pretty good collection in the basement still and only last year finally got around to buying a turntable to play them on. Surprisingly enough, my KIDS use it more than me now. They just love the old albums and how they sound.
Drive-in's used to be fun. I remember thinking that as soon as they got rid of the speakers and went to using the radios in the cars, the end was coming and I guess I was right.
Come on guys keep these old memories coming!!!!!!!!!!

Kids huh? ;)...

1. Smacking the side of a TV to gain a clearer picture?
2. How about VHF and UHF TV stations?
3. Setting point gaps with a match book cover?
4. Driving cars with non-synchronized transmissions?
5. Driving cars with no gas gauges?
6. Driving cars with a 3-on-the-tree?

There's a lot more too. Anybody got any to add?

7. Pushbutton Automatics
8. Manual Windows std
9. Manual Locks std
10. VHF only TV, with add on UHF tuner
11. Remote control? Sonny you don't need no stinking remote! Get off your duff and change the channel for me!
12. Give me a ring at Libertyville 217 anytime!
13. Hang on, the other party is using the phone, we will have wait to call.
14. Long Distance was expensive, and you LEASED your phones, you were not allowed to own them. Ma Bell had stores to go get them at.
15. B&M Lockshot converters
16. Art Carr built transmissions under his own name
17. Andy Granitelli was fast with a 220 mph 82 Z28
18. Wow! We are hitting 270 mph down the 1/4 mile in top fuel in 1984!

We didn't get our first color TV until 1976, and that was a BIG deal to get! And no, no VCR's yet.

My first computer was an Apple II+ with 64K memory and dual floppy drives. We had to load the OS on one floppy and then we could start to run a program. And if the OS didn't load it all, we had to switch back and forth between program disk and OS disks....

Wow, that 1200 baud modem was screaming! It could load a page of text in 1 second!!! WOW I can't wait to get one!!!! We only had a 300 baud modem..... Graphics cards? What is that?

The "Big engine" was over 440 CID. The economy engine was a 250 inline 6 or a 350 V8....

My grandfather's 78 Suburban had 4.10's and a THM400. Nothing like getting up to 80 mph and let off the gas and feel it pull you down, fast....

If you had a Pinto, pray you didn't get rear ended.

Lee Iacoccoa worked for Ford, not Chrysler....

Tuneups every 12,000 miles, new points, condensor, plugs, cap and rotor. Adjust idle, timing, dwell, check belts, and change the oil. The HEI brought us into 22500 mile tune ups!

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
I remember my first calculator. It was a Brother and cost about $100. It was bigger than an external CD drive and only did addition, subtraction, multiplication and division!! But it was cool because you could spell bad words with the digital display that you could read if you turned the calculator upside down.
I remember when we got our first color TV. Watching parades and stuff like that just to marvel at the colors. Remember new shows coming on and announcing they were "in color".
Remember how spacious the inside of the cars were with low seat backs?
How about 8-tracks? I thought I was SO COOL when I bought a cassette player.

When I was in junior high........ Texas instruments came out with the digital watch..........It was soooo cheesey! They were all plastic......Black frame and band with a red lens......I wanted one soo bad.

Lol.........

LOL!......We were laughing about the "in color" thing at work just the other day.

When I was in junior high........ Texas instruments came out with the digital watch..........It was soooo cheesey! They were all plastic......Black frame and band with a red lens......I wanted one soo bad.
Lol.........

I had a gold one with the red lense. SO COOL! :cool2:

WELL! BACK ON TOPIC! LOL! I'm having my high idle dropped tomorrow. I have no complaints about the low idle and the car now drives exceptionally well. Zero complaints here, just the high idle nees lowering. It sounds like someone has their foot halfway down on the gas and that shit definately needs to come down. We'll see how satisfied I am tomorrow. Anyway gnetlemen, as you were with the nostalgia. :)

Wow, some of you are OLD :p

(Although my parents rarely buy new stuff so I've had to put up with smacking our TV, having no right side mirror on my dads car, my aunts jeep is 3 on the tree, etc)

When I was in junior high........ Texas instruments came out with the digital watch..........It was soooo cheesey! They were all plastic......Black frame and band with a red lens......I wanted one soo bad.
Lol.........

I had one!! They were great! Ate batteries like they were going out of style (well, I HAD to keep pushing the button to make it light up....)

WELL! BACK ON TOPIC! LOL! I'm having my high idle dropped tomorrow. I have no complaints about the low idle and the car now drives exceptionally well. Zero complaints here, just the high idle nees lowering. It sounds like someone has their foot halfway down on the gas and that shit definately needs to come down. We'll see how satisfied I am tomorrow. Anyway gnetlemen, as you were with the nostalgia. :)

Take the aircleaner off and look on the pass side for hte little choke weight that is behind the choke housing and the float bowl. Press it down. Does it go to low idle?

Is the ILC, Idle Load Compensator, pushing the idle up? This is a common place to have a broken vacuum line. If so it will crank it up to 1500-2200 rpm.

Look to see what is holding up the throttle linkage.

GM had a recall on the cruise unit, there is a bushing that would come a little loose and hang up the throttle and make it idle high.

Take a good look before you hand a couple paychecks to the dealer...

Ok, back to off topic....

The whole thing is probably going to boil down to a quick twist of a screwdriver to lower the fast idle a tad. I doubt it's anything else or the base idle would be affected. Since you say the base idle is fine, chances are good all is well beyond a simple adjustment. You can do it yourself you know. Just put the carb on the high idle cam and adjust the phillips screw on the linkage next to the cam. It's real easy.

Ahh que bella! Perfect! My Caddy is back, and nopthing short of perfect. :)

dopestar........I'm glad your car is working good........It sure is good looking.

dopestar........I'm glad your car is working good........It sure is good looking.
Thanks! I'm pretty relieved since it hasn't ran properly for the last year or so. Haha. Sunday she is getting her last wash wax before the winter rolls around. And I'm the high bidder on a set of these. Haha I don't expect to win, I'm just enjoying seeing my name under the high bid portion. I'll snap some pics on Sunday! :cloud9: Thanks for the support!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4586016416&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT

Glad the car's running well. She sure will look nice with those wires!