: What do u think of the new IS 350?



mnext02
10-24-05, 07:49 PM
tight!

ben72227
10-24-05, 08:13 PM
Getting 300 HP out of a V6 is impressive, but the exterior styling doesn't do much for me. It looks like they tried to copy off of the new Mazda's but got held back because (of course) Lexus's have to be bland. Its just a rule I guess.

I've never really been a fan of Lexus, although I do respect some of the work they do (namely having such reliable luxury cars). If i were in that market (IS 350) I'd rather get a new CTS or lease an Audi A4. But thats just me...

dhs
10-24-05, 09:45 PM
I personally like the styling but it should be priced lower if I'm going to pick it over a German car. It costs around the same as a mercedes c350 and bmw 330, both of which I would pick over the lexus. The g35 has pretty much the same power and is alot cheaper, but it's getting kind of stale now.

Sandy
10-24-05, 11:37 PM
It's Foreign, PASS. NEXT.

ben72227
10-24-05, 11:47 PM
Sandy, would you consider the BLS to be foreign, since its (technically) a European car? I just find that whole argument to be so outdated. I mean, if a BMW is built with the blood and sweat of Americans in Alabama, does that not make it an American-made car? The same thing goes with Hyundai too. And what about the Americans in Ohio that make Hondas??? Should we cost them their American jobs simply because we don't like "foreign" car companies??? I'm pretty sure American Honda Motor Co. is an AMERICAN company, no matter where its "roots" may be. They obviously care about America, seeing as how they donated five million dollars to hurricane relief money; they've been an American company since 1959...I'd say that would effectively make them a domestic. That means they've been around longer than Saturn, Hummer, and tons of other "domestic" brands...

Spittin Game
10-25-05, 01:28 AM
I think its the new hotness on the block. I would rock that over the C class, or the 3 series bmw's. And I dont see how you could say its bland looking. Honestly look at any new cars in that price range, the lexus beats them out looks wise hands down.

powerglide
10-25-05, 01:38 AM
I love it!

Totally agree with spittin game!

I was close to buying it but for a fully loaded IS350 around 45 grand is just too much $. I mean you can buy a Lotus Elise for that kinda money.

But the exterior, interior, options etc on the lexus is just FANTASTIC........paddle shift/keyless go/airconditioned seats.....everything I want in a new car.

Sandy
10-25-05, 01:47 AM
BLS ? Bacon, Lettice & Swiss ? Sorry, not being nasty, but I can't recall what car offers a BLS - Please tell me, it's probably right in front of me, and I can't see it.

Ben, everything you say is 100% correct. It just, however sees it from one side. (and) From THAT side, you are 110% correct. However, there is a 2nd side, that for reasons I do not know, you are ignoring. It's too long to turn over every rock, but the gist of it is this.

The American workers benefit in the short term, but the huge profits the sales of the foreign cars bring go back to the homeland of the car's parent corporation. Thusly, the American dollars are leaving America. Ford & GM are struggling to stay afloat. It's widely accepted that as the car industry goes, so goes America! The components used in GM & Ford cars - the majority are sourced here in America. Not so for the foreign cars, so like a domino effect, the falling sales of the domestics take down with them many suppliers. Mccombe_5 on here will tell you that there are few American cars in England. In Japan & South Korea there are very very few American cars. So, why should there be sales of 3 million + foreign cars here, EVERY SINGLE YEAR ? How can our ecomony flourish with the scales so unevenly balanced?
I do firmly believe in supporting America. America has been good to all who came here seeking a good life. I should buy a BMW? A mer-SAAY-dees? A car made by the offspring of many who supported Hitler? Would I be proud of myself driving such? No.
When a person buys a high ticket item, (lots 'o money) in this case a car or truck, he votes with his dollar. He votes for the dealership he spends that money in. Many of the huge mega dealerships today are owned by organized crime families. Since, in my area, I know which they are, should I buy a car there? No, I will not. (Not even walk on their property). You vote for the brand , with your dollar, and yes, you in a way, vote for the economy of the parent nation.
We have lost Plymouth & Oldsmobile in just the last 4 years. Do you know what is left? Eight brands ! Yes just 8.
Cadillac, Buick, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Saturn, Lincoln, Mercury & Ford. = 8
Eight Brands to go up against:-
BMW, Mini, Rolls Royce, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Maybach, Mercedes-Benz, Acura, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mitsubishi, Infiniti, Nissan, Porsche, Subaru, Lexus, Toyota, Scion, Audi, Bentley, Volkswagon, Suzuki, Ferrari, Lotus, Maserati and Lamborghini.
Somewhat of an uneven playing field, see ? 8 -vs- 28

So, that's how I see it, which happens to be very very much like the way the Japanesse see it over in their homeland, as well as the Germans see it in their homeland and the was the French see it in their homeland. I also think it's downright horrible that in every nation in the world THAT BUILDS CARS, one of their OWN is the #1 seller ... EXCEPT America.
VW in Germany, Renault in France, Toyota in Japan, Kia in So. Korea, Volvo in Sweeden, Fiat in Italy, and what, Toyota in America ?? Shamefull. You are going to be living in America alot longer than I am. Young people of today have an obligation to their offspring (yes, your future child) to have a financially strong & indepandent solid nation for them to thrive in. Not a nation with no product left to manufacture, a terrible financial center (or base) a week economy, closed manufacturing plants, job-less conditions causing even more crime, and totally depleted resources, and a "new World" of foreign dependancey.

That all said & done, no, a new Lexus does zero for me. Would not give it a 2nd look.
But.......I'll fight like heII to protect YOUR right to buy it, because that's we are all about, right ?

Spittin Game
10-25-05, 01:54 AM
You can support american made stuff all you want, but the fact of the matter is the foreign whips are just plain out better cars, and have better styling than anything american.

dhs
10-25-05, 02:09 AM
I think it's more a matter of having an "American" marque then where it's actually made. I'm not positive but doesn't gm and Chrysler make cars in Canada and ford make them in Mexico? I don't think a lot of people are awere of where theyre actually made, they should just put a big "Made in _____" tag on the door or something.

As far as the Is350 goes, I like the look and all but 45 grand? You could get equally equiped bmw 330 for 40 even. With the bmw you know youre getting world class handling. Lexus has a reputation for being very uptight with the electronics and isolating the driver from the road. The bimmer looks good, it's not as dramatic as the lexus, which is probobly a result of all the critism Bangle got for the 7 series.

powerglide
10-25-05, 02:47 AM
To be fair, the base Is250 starts at 30K and the base Is350 starts around 30k (but who can live without the 4 grand DVD/premium audio/Nav and the aircon seats!)

dhs
10-25-05, 03:12 AM
the fact of the matter is the foreign whips are just plain out better cars, and have better styling than anything american.

Nice generalization. My dad baught a new mercedes ml320 and had nothing but problems, that thing was at the dealer constantly. He traded it in for a jeep grand cherokee, and it hasnt needed a repair in three years. His freind had the same problems with a e320. My dhs has also been very reliable compared to my last car which was an altima. The styling is great too, it gets a lot of respect. Why do you think Mannie fresh would call it his favorite ride when he can afford any car?

Are you one of those ricers driving around in a civic with 4 inch duals and nos stickers? Why would you even be in a cadillac forum if you think that?

powerglide
10-25-05, 03:19 AM
thats because the ML is made in the USA!

jk :hide:

MB's going through some serious quality problems (so are many of the other german car comapanies)

Sandy
10-25-05, 03:36 AM
Chrysler is no longer an American company. "Chrysler Corporation" ~ you never hear THAT any longer.... It's "Daimler-Chrysler" Chrysler is a division of Daimler (Mercedes Benz) a Wholely owned German Company, doing business and manufacturing IN America.

YES, GM & Ford do assemble vehicles in Canada and Mexico. So what? The profits the sale of those cars make goes back 100 % of it to an American Corporation, keeping the money in this country, rather than sending over seas.

Don't any of you guys take economics in your schools or colleges? Balance of trade ?

hardrockcamaro@mac.c
10-25-05, 05:27 AM
Also GM and Ford own many other companies.

Ford owns Aston Martin, Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover and about 60% of Mazda.
GM owns SAAB and I think IZUZU?


So they get the profits from those companies.
In fact, althoguh GM is in trouble in the USA, the UK division (Vauxhall) is profitable.

Also, there are very few american cars in the UK, and by that we mean LHD cars built for america and privately shipped here. But Ford is here as is Vauxhall (GM) and Chrysler.
Ford and Vauxhall are the two bigest sellers in the UK.

The profits from all these companies are going to the american parent companies.


The cars Ford and Vauxhall sell over here are very different to the ones they sell in the USA. I love LHD "proper" american cars, but in reality they are not suited to our roads. Apart from a friends Saleen Mustang and Corvette Z06 all american cars I have been in are under-braked. The heavy traffic, higher speeds and tight bends over here kill the brakes real fast. Mainly as the brakes are too small for such heavy vehicles.
The suspension is also too soft for our roads with so many tight corners.
My STS is very softly sprung compared to european cars, and we're talking about a euro spec STS which has stiffer suspension than its US counterparts!

Not that I care, I'm not loking for the ultimate performing vehicle, I want character and style and my own piece of American apple pie.

The Cadillac is my 7th car overall, and my second American car.
I don't see myself buying non-American ever again.

Jesda
10-25-05, 05:52 AM
I'm sure its a great car, but I cant get over the sterile look of a Lexus.

davesdeville
10-25-05, 06:36 AM
I'm pretty sure American Honda Motor Co. is an AMERICAN company, no matter where its "roots" may be. They obviously care about America, seeing as how they donated five million dollars to hurricane relief money; they've been an American company since 1959...I'd say that would effectively make them a domestic. That means they've been around longer than Saturn, Hummer, and tons of other "domestic" brands...

First of all, Saturn and Hummer are both GM, which has been around much longer than Honda. Second, I'd like to point out that businesses rarely care about anything but money. American Honda Motor Co. doesn't care about America, they care about their image because that image sells cars. Might be a cynical point of view but it's the truth how I see it.


Getting 300 HP out of a V6 is impressive, but the exterior styling doesn't do much for me. It looks like they tried to copy off of the new Mazda's but got held back because (of course) Lexus's have to be bland. Its just a rule I guess.

I've never really been a fan of Lexus, although I do respect some of the work they do (namely having such reliable luxury cars). If i were in that market (IS 350) I'd rather get a new CTS or lease an Audi A4. But thats just me...

That I completely agree with. That, and everything Sandy has posted in this thread.

Andrew60SP
10-25-05, 07:09 AM
Car and Driver ran a 13.7 quarter mile with it. That's what impresses me the most.

Randy_W
10-25-05, 08:21 AM
The same thing goes with Hyundai too. And what about the Americans in Ohio that make Hondas??? Should we cost them their American jobs simply because we don't like "foreign" car companies??? I'm pretty sure American Honda Motor Co (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55818#). is an AMERICAN company, no matter where its "roots" may be.

The truth is, we need a finite number of vehicles at any given time. If these workers were not building Korean and Japanese cars, they would be busy building American cars.

Sandy
10-25-05, 11:47 AM
HardrockCamaro wrote:

"" Ford owns Aston Martin, Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover and about 60% of Mazda.
GM owns SAAB and I think IZUZU? ""

95% correct, and that is why on my listing of Foreign cars I am pretty sure that I left off these brands. This because they are American Corporation owned.

Regarding Isuzu. Isuzu is a deep dark secret! Isuzu (a Japanese Company) no longer exixts in America. Their last Japanese made vehicles ended in 2004. As of 2005 & now 2006, all Isuzus are re-badged GM vehicles. Isuzu has the Ascender SUV. It's a (Chevy) Trailblazer; (GMC) Envoy, (Buick) Rainer, and 2004 (Oldsmobile) Bravada. Thing is this, while 100% identical to the aforementioned, the Ascender has a MSRLP of $2,500 LESS, meaning thebuyer will pay like $2,200 less SUV to SUV identically equipped. Furthermore, the Chevy,GMC & Buick carry a 4 year warrantee. The Ascender ? 10 years !! !! All are made at the same assembly plant and are built interchangeably on the same lines.

Besides the Ascender, Isuzu sells its own version of two Chevy Pick Up trucks. I can't recal their names, at either Chevy OR Isuzu, but they are built here in America.

For all intensive purposes, 2004 was the last year for a Japanese built Isuzu. GM owns Isuzu 100% in America. The VIN on any Isuzu for 2005 begins with the number that signifies that it was made in America. All profits go directly to GM.

mnext02
10-25-05, 12:47 PM
bland? how can you call it bland? have u seen pics?????

the new gs is bland and the old is is bland, but the new IS rocks!

but $45k for fully loaded is too much!

i am sorry but its not worth me trading in my nice ext and giving them $15k for this car.

mnext02
10-25-05, 12:52 PM
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Spittin Game
10-25-05, 06:16 PM
Are you one of those ricers driving around in a civic with 4 inch duals and nos stickers? Why would you even be in a cadillac forum if you think that?

Actually I have an Escalade.:bigroll:

ben72227
10-25-05, 07:25 PM
BLS ? Bacon, Lettice & Swiss ? Sorry, not being nasty, but I can't recall what car offers a BLS - Please tell me, it's probably right in front of me, and I can't see it.

You can't be serious Sandy. Do you REALLY not know what the BLS is?:(

It's the newest member of the Cadillac family of course:cool2: ,
http://www.cadillac-bls.com/images/wallpaper/Wallpaper04-800x600.jpg

dhs
10-25-05, 07:58 PM
Car and Driver ran a 13.7 quarter mile with it.

Damn the is350 could take on a 05 mustang gt.

It seems like they wanted to one up acura too. I mean acura just came out with a 300hp 3.5 and everyone though that was impressive and here comes lexus with 306hp out of the same engine size and it's not even for the top of the line model like acura. Honda has better develop a v8 if they want to stay competitive.

elwesso
10-25-05, 08:14 PM
Ill never buy a lexus, but I cannot get over Lexus' marketing genious... They CONVINCE people to buy them.. They point out all these stupid littel features that cars have had for years and make people think only lexus has it.

fast66
10-25-05, 08:59 PM
I love it! Didnt like the IS until now.

Playdrv4me
10-25-05, 09:27 PM
It took awhile for me to accept Sandy's view but I do understand the money trail he is talking about. Still, my very general opinion is that we live in a global market economy now. The lines are not as black and white as one would think, even with the GM's and Ford's of the world. By the way Im done with Lexii, they are unabashedly boring cars.

Ralph
10-26-05, 01:15 AM
A Lexus can't be too "boring" if it's got that kind of performance, although no real heritage or soul. Now a Camry, that's "boring" imo. ;)

Checked out the new IS on Sunday. They have a really neat white pearl color that changes color in different angles. It changed from pearl to a purple just be squatting a bit while looking at it.

It's not too bad looking, but it seems too low to the ground, and the rims don't look right for some reason, just too small. I would bet it handles very good because of the low profile tires and "hundered down" appearance, etc.

Also sat in a new GS, and the interior quality seemed excellent. Even the feel of sliding the center console storage lid was super smooth and I wanted to do it over and over again.....:o

powerglide
10-26-05, 01:35 AM
I really want one.....I actually submitted a bunch of photos to the IS site and they used five of them for their huge ad in Times Square (its a photo mosaic made from thousands of 'chosen' photos).....so if you;re out there look for me, I am in the front driver side headlight :)

Its too expensive......they are supposed to come out with a V8 version of this car!!! How much is that gonna cost....sheesh.

45k gets you into a GS300 with a few options already, or two used porsche boxters, or maybe a house in the domincan republic, or 15 lbs of the chronic!

Ralph
10-26-05, 01:39 AM
I really want one.....I actually submitted a bunch of photos to the IS site and they used five of them for their huge ad in Times Square (its a photo mosaic made from thousands of 'chosen' photos).....so if you;re out there look for me, I am in the front driver side headlight :)

Its too expensive......they are supposed to come out with a V8 version of this car!!! How much is that gonna cost....sheesh.

45k gets you into a GS300 with a few options already, or two used porsche boxters, or maybe a house in the domincan republic, or 15 lbs of the chronic!

Many people will likely buy a 3 series over it, similar price.

powerglide
10-26-05, 01:48 AM
Yup....BTW did anyone read the comparo between the new 3 and the IS? (i cant remember where I read it but I think it must have been CD or MT or maybe Edmunds...) anyways, the 3 won over the lexus. The thing that was fkked up and very biased was that their test car (bmw) totally malfunctioned all the time. Warning lights stayed on etc. I thin during some high speen braking or some test, the bmw lost ABS on one side of the car causing them to spin aout and almsot crash........how does such a car win??? I dont think its objective. If it was some other manufacturer that sent a defective car like that to test, they would have trash talked it to no end..... during the same test, the lexus was totally solid.

Ralph
10-26-05, 01:52 AM
I'm suprised the brakes went on the BMW because German cars have better testing for brakes and safety due to use for the autobahn.

I think between those two cars it would be a toss up. I couldn't decide if I had to choose a 3 or IS.

powerglide
10-26-05, 02:37 AM
I think I will go with the IS this time.
Last generation was a no brainer for the 3-series.....this time, IS has got them beat IMHO!

Ralph
10-26-05, 02:46 AM
I think I will go with the IS this time.
Last generation was a no brainer for the 3-series.....this time, IS has got them beat IMHO!

Would you be concerned over any "bugs" in a new model year Lexus?

powerglide
10-26-05, 02:50 AM
Yes a little bit, with any first production run.

But I have more faith in Lexus than in BMW when it comes to things like this......either way its probably best to wait a year for shake-down and prices to chill out.

I really want that saturn sky but I bet that things gonna have some serious reliability/quality issues inititally. I mean they rushed it through production, buyers will be guinnea pigs. (especially that convertible top looks real crappy. Almost every picture of the solstice and saturn with the top up show a cheezy looking wrinkle by the b-pillars.....amazingly crappy.)...but i digress :)

Ralph
10-26-05, 02:56 AM
Yes a little bit, with any first production run.

But I have more faith in Lexus than in BMW when it comes to things like this......either way its probably best to wait a year for shake-down and prices to chill out.

I really want that saturn sky but I bet that things gonna have some serious reliability/quality issues inititally. I mean they rushed it through production, buyers will be guinnea pigs. (especially that convertible top looks real crappy. Almost every picture of the solstice and saturn with the top up show a cheezy looking wrinkle by the b-pillars.....amazingly crappy.)...but i digress :)

Ooo the Sky is beautiful!!! I'm going tomorrow with a friend to check out the new Solstace in the showroom.

fast66
10-26-05, 02:58 AM
I think I will go with the IS this time.
Last generation was a no brainer for the 3-series.....this time, IS has got them beat IMHO!

But I have more faith in Lexus than in BMW when it comes to things like this
Agree 100% the new 3 is UGLY compared to this IS.

Ralph
10-26-05, 03:00 AM
Agree 100% the new 3 is UGLY compared to this IS.

That's a toss-up with me too. I think they look quite similar exterior wise, but I prefer the Lexus interior fit and finish.

powerglide
10-26-05, 03:04 AM
I think they look quite similar exterior wise, but I prefer the Lexus interior fit and finish.

:yeah:

Oh yeah the interior........Lexus NAILED IT!

The air vents look s alittle strange but I don't dislike it. Other than that its almost perfect.

Ralph
10-26-05, 03:06 AM
:yeah:

Oh yeah the interior........Lexus NAILED IT!

The air vents look s alittle strange but I don't dislike it. Other than that its almost perfect.

I sure didn't care for the old chronograph watch gauges on the older IS, and now it is easier to read...

powerglide
10-26-05, 03:09 AM
I love Optitron Guages!
Talk about your cool factor......optitron/paddlshift/pushbutton start keyless ignition/ aircon seats/300+hp/rwd/laser cruise.....I kee repeating myself....but DAMNED what a nice ride.