: The New 007



Ralph
10-22-05, 01:19 AM
So last week they picked a new James Bond, Daniel Craig. They obviously went for tough rather than handsome.

I'll be verrrry interested in seeing Casino Royale when it comes out at the end of next year. The director is Martin Campbell, the same guy who did Goldeneye, and the current writer is Paul Haggis, the Canadian director behind Crash (which I just saw, and is brilliant).

My favourite was always Roger Moore, with whom I grew up in the '70s, so he has that nostalgia value.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4337224.stm

Ralph
10-22-05, 01:23 AM
I forgot to ask which James Bond you prefer?

Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, or Craig. Of course, there was also Barry Nelson from a 1950s TV special Casino Royale, where he played "Jimmy Bond" a CIA agent who battles Peter Lorre, as the villian, Le Chiffre. (Nelson is most noted for playing the manager of the hotel in The Shining who gives Jack Nicholson the job at the beginning of the movie.)

ben72227
10-22-05, 01:51 AM
Connery is the *essential* Bond, BUT my favorite has always been Dalton. He was such a sharp contrast from Moore, who was so...well, he (IMHO) made the series into a joke. And Dalton was such a contrast, he was professional, he was (sometimes) very cold, essentially - he was more of a spy. It's a shame he was only in two movies, as Goldeneye was written for him to be in (and it would have been SO much better with him in it, not that Brosnan was bad, but the movie was written for Dalton's dark version of Bond).

Lazenby was okay and Brosnan wasn't bad either. I think Craig could pull it off, and although some diehards are already crying bloody murder because Craig is a Blond, I know that hair dye can fix that:lildevil: and I won't judge him until I see Casino Royale. It should be good, Campbell did a wonderful job introducing Brosnan into the series and I think he will do just as good with Craig.:cool2:

DeVillish
10-22-05, 03:27 AM
lol i loved Moore in The Cannon Ball run one and two, funny stuff.

DopeStar 156
10-22-05, 03:32 AM
This guy actually has a Roger Mooreish look to him. He reminds me tons of Moore. Would be a good move in Bond films. I'd go see more if I haven't seen so many that I'm like sick of them at this point. They could make a Bond movie called "Coochie Planet" and he could drive a '76 Eldorado and I still wouldn't go see it. Haha.

klebrun
10-22-05, 03:34 AM
I wish the powers that be would have been more aggressive at putting out at least two more Bond movies with Brosnan. A Bond movie every two years isn't asking too much IMHO. The formula and template are basically unchanged since the beginning. Brosnan could have made one last year and then filmed his swan song next year. A 2007 007 could have been part of a unique marketing strategy. It's my understanding that the script for Craig's second Bond movie is already being written. So, when they put their minds to it, it can be done.

I don't like the way the whole Brosnan thing was handled. He always wanted to play the character with more of an edge, but wasn't allowed to. When the decision came down for "Casino Royale" to make the character more like Ian Fleming's vision, I think he wanted to be a part of that and go out in style. It just feels like unfinished business to me and probably to him as well. He brought the franchise back from the dead after several years with no Bond movies and his movies grossed close to if not over 1 billion dollars total. I think the franchise owed him a respectable send off.

DopeStar 156
10-22-05, 03:37 AM
I agree. Brosnan is the face that comes to mind whrn I think Bond. However my first Bond movie was Goldeneye so, he's the one I grew up on.

Ralph
10-22-05, 04:09 AM
If you watch Moore's first two Bonds, Live and Let Die, and The Man With the Golden Gun, he's actually pretty tough. It only became lighter in tone after that (and those later Bond films were more successful for him). Although For Your Eyes Only is pretty serious.

The Broccoli family did want Brosnan back for another Bond film, and that was the plan, until Sony bought MGM, and the studio insisted on someone new. It's true that Brosnan always wanted to play 007 as the darker, nasty assassin that Ian Fleming wrote, and they never really allowed him to do it. Which is probably one reason why he wasn't interested in another.

That said, when Timothy Dalton had his shot, the films were pretty close to Fleming's novels in spirit, but they were basically unsuccessful. (And then UA had some serious financial issue in the early 1990s, and couldn't make any, until the French bank Credit Lyonnais wound up repossessing them, and funded Goldeneye). My main problem with Dalton's 2 movies is that James Bond is totally unsexual in them. He hardly scores any girls, unlike in the books and Connery's swingin' sixties days, when he nails anything in heels!

SilverCTS
10-22-05, 11:27 AM
So last week they picked a new James Bond, Daniel Craig. They obviously went for tough rather than handsome.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4337224.stm

I don't know...He doesn't look that tough either...

My age is probably showing, but I still think Sean Connery is the quintessential James Bond. They have never been able to replace him.

Pete Benson
10-22-05, 05:09 PM
For me James Bond was, is, and will always be Sean Connery, although I thought Timothy Dalton was effective and I'm sorry he only got to do one
Bond flick.
I never liked Roger Moore as James Bond. He always struck me as prissy and effete, lacking the essential "butchness" that seems to me to be part of the Bond character.

Blackout
10-22-05, 05:19 PM
Well I think the Bond nastilgia *most likely spelled that horribly wrong* is kinda decided by who you were grown up on. But for the most part James Bond is Sean Connery. But for me IMO I think Pierce Brosnan is the best Bond. The guy has every Bond characteristic down to a T. Good looking guy, well spoken, and athletic. But like Dopestar said I grew up on Brosnan so thats who I know

fast66
10-22-05, 06:05 PM
Well I think the Bond nastilgia *most likely spelled that horribly wrong* is kinda decided by who you were grown up on. But for the most part James Bond is Sean Connery. But for me IMO I think Pierce Brosnan is the best Bond. The guy has every Bond characteristic down to a T. Good looking guy, well spoken, and athletic. But like Dopestar said I grew up on Brosnan so thats who I know

:yeah:

SpeedyArizona
10-22-05, 07:57 PM
Connery was ALWAYS my favorite Bond, he looked the the essential Bond figure. Brosnan was more pretty-boy than tough guy, but I think Connery has a great balance of both!

mccombie_5
10-22-05, 08:07 PM
My son and i were just talking about this recently ( he asked my opinion because hes five weeks in to a eyar long course on film studies) and he is to do an exam on Goldfinger.

Bond, in our joint opinion is old, antiquated, needs to be killed off. The same thing happens in every movie, equilibrium disturbed, Bond drives an ASton Martin around, knows everything, kills the badguy and restores the equilibrium. Its old, every time there is more product placement.

IMO Connery was the best Bond, but now its just old, we need something new, theyre great as they are, but PELASE dont make anymore!

Ralph
10-22-05, 08:28 PM
Here is the best Bond site I could find, and it is funded by the Brocoli family so it's pretty accurate info imo.......

Casino Royale might be a refreshing change after all but there still seems to be some casting woes....

http://www.ianfleming.org/index.shtml

I don't know what to think of him yet. He doesn't seem that good looking to me, and I think a more rugged choice would have been Clive Owen (my first new choice) but he didn't want the role because he was too busy with other projects...

klebrun
10-22-05, 09:55 PM
Here are a couple of other Bond sites...

http://commanderbond.net/Public/Stories/1407-1.shtml

http://www.mi6.co.uk/mi6.php3


Here is a link to the October 2005 interview with Brosnan about the new Bond controversy. It was done before the final decision last week.

http://www.piercebrosnan.com/menu.php?mm=8&sm=1&pn=gq

Kev
10-22-05, 10:17 PM
My opinion, Connery was the best Bond. I don't care for Moore or Brosnan, they're too pretty. They look like nancy boys to me. :duck:

Ralph
10-22-05, 10:23 PM
My opinion, Connery was the best Bond. I don't care for Moore or Brosnan, they're too pretty. They look like nancy boys to me. :duck:

I agree about Brosnan. He is too pretty-boy for the role imo, but he did a good job and I would have like to see him take the role as far as he personally wanted to being a more nasty-assasin-type. Might have been interesting...

I liked Moores sense of humour, and as we all know, women love a good sense of humour.

ben72227
10-22-05, 11:22 PM
Brosnan really nailed the role in Goldeneye, but the other Bond movies he was in were just (IMHO) mediocre run of the mill action films, culminating with the awesomely-bad Die Another Day, which was obviously trying to make Bond into Vin Diesel's Triple X character, way too much CGI effects, way too much product placement, way too many high profile actors, and just too over the top in general. Of course, it did well at the box office because it had Halle Berry and lots of gadgets (it appealed to the 14 year old crowd of teenage boys) but the film just isn't worthy of being a Bond film.


Bond, in our joint opinion is old, antiquated, needs to be killed off. The same thing happens in every movie, equilibrium disturbed, Bond drives an ASton Martin around, knows everything, kills the badguy and restores the equilibrium. Its old, every time there is more product placement.

That's a good arguement, BUT, some of the films aren't just the same old stuff. Goldeneye, Goldfinger, License to Kill, Live and Let Die, and some others really strayed a bit and kept the series fresh by dealing with things that weren't expected (like the voodoo stuff in LALD) or by making Bond into an extremely cold-blooded character in License to Kill.

Goldeneye (IMHO) was the perfect Bond film (along with Goldfinger). Mainly because it dealt with how Bond was after the Cold War, the villain wasn't some insane guy trying to blow up the world (okay, maybe he was, but the point is that his main goal was to get revenge on Bond, it made it much more personal) who was played by an EXCELLENT British actor (Sean Bean) and it was just GOOD. The director was excellent, and (although some people don't like it) the music was (IMHO) superb - very avant-garde and a great departure from the same old orchestral boring stuff of John Berry (although he did some really good work for The Living Daylights, with a-Ha;) )

Ralph
10-23-05, 02:43 AM
Brosnan really nailed the role in Goldeneye


Goldeneye (IMHO) was the perfect Bond film (along with Goldfinger). an EXCELLENT British actor (Sean Bean) )

I agree. That's my fav Brosnan Bond, and I would love to see it again now. Even the casino scenes reminded me of the old Connery Bonds. Tomorrow Never Dies was decent, but the only part I really liked was the remote controlled BMW, but should Bond be driving a German car?? Die another Day was great for the first hour or so, but then dragged on it seemed.

Agree again about Sean Bean. Have you ever seen him in that Napolian series called "Sharpe's Revenge" or something like that. I hope he got more recognition as an actor, and I remember him in either "Patriot Games" or "Clear and Present Danger" with Harisson Ford.

ben72227
10-23-05, 03:01 AM
It was Patriot Games; he was an IRA terrorist. Personally, I liked Clear and Present Danger better; I've always like Willem Dafoe - great actor:cool:

Ralph
10-23-05, 03:09 AM
It was Patriot Games; he was an IRA terrorist. Personally, I liked Clear and Present Danger better; I've always like Willem Dafoe - great actor:cool:

Again I agree! Points for Ben! (have to wait until tomorrow)

Kdirk
10-24-05, 11:37 AM
It'll be interesting to see how the new Bond works out. I had lost interest in the franchise after Timothy Dalton had his shot (never really got into the Brosnan era films) and I think it's because I actually really liked Roger Moore as 007; of course he's the bond I grew up with.

I know some will argue he was too much of a pretty boy, and was too humorous - but I actually liked the humor that he added to the role. For me it made the movies more entetaining. Perhaps not the most realistic trait for a spy, but I thought it was great, and I missed that in the later films with Brosnan. There were more over-the-top stunts and better gadgets during the Moore era than Connery had, but this was due more to changing times and technology than the way the role was played.

I don't think Dalton ever got his props, he did a good job IMHO, and as has been pointed out he played it a bit darker more in line with the original novels.
Too bad he didn't get but one shot at the franchise.

I hope that with the new Bond they will tone down the product placement and excessive CGI (but realistically I know they won't) and make a more genuine movie rather than a special effects/marketing whore-out bonanza.

We shall see...

KDirk

ben72227
10-24-05, 06:38 PM
Well, they got Martin Campbell to direct (he did Goldeneye) this one, and he vowed that he won't use hardly any special effects, certainly won't overuse them like in Die Another Day. According to him, they're trying to make this Bond more of a realistic spy, kind of like the Bourne Identity movies. Of course, there will be gadgets (an Aston Martin for sure) and a Bond girl, but it won't be so over the top like some of the more recent ones.

Moore did good in some of his early Bond films (Live and Let Die, for instance) but I think that when he got to the end (Octo*****, View to a Kill) he was really showing his age and it was time for some new blood (which thankfully came with Dalton, who was in two of the great Bond movies; The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill)...

Ralph
10-24-05, 07:57 PM
Moore did good in some of his early Bond films (Live and Let Die, for instance) but I think that when he got to the end (Octo*****, View to a Kill) he was really showing his age and it was time for some new blood (which thankfully came with Dalton, who was in two of the great Bond movies; The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill)...

That's true, Moore sure was showing his age near the end 20 years ago, but I still savoured every minute he was Bond. I also think his humour made the shows great, and I really like the character "JAWS."

Moore was totally funny in the 2002 movie "Boat Trip." (if you get a chance to se it, do.)

Kdirk
10-25-05, 11:15 AM
Yeah, when I watch A View to a Kill now, I am shocked at how old Roger Moore looked in that movie. As a kid I never noticed it but he was definately in need of replacement at that point just because he no longer looked convincing in the role of a suave, physically capable (in all ways, chuckle) secret agent.

That aside, it was a great movie with a [relatively] believeable story line, better than some of the other Moore-era stuff (Moonraker for example, was a bit silly in the writing but had great effects for it's time and some outstanding location shoots - I love the scene in Venice with the land-covertible gondola; it was a classic Bond moment) and Christopher Walken was great as the bad guy, too bad he didn't have a shot at a second appearance like Jaws did.

Oh, and I need to correct my earlier post in stating that Dalton only did one movie (duh, how'd I screw that up?) must have been thinking Lazenby when I said Dalton.

Also glad to read that the director has said there will be less in the way of special effects next time around, this had gotten out of control as of late.

One other thought, who else thinks the best Bond girls were stars who were lesser known in their time? I think the decision to use high-profile stars for Bond girls and some of the supporting cast was a bad call. John Cleese is a good guy, but simply cannot replace Q [not that anyone could really] and Halle Berry? Maybe I'm biased because I just don't care for her in general, but I think they could have cast that role better as well.

KDirk

RobertCTS
10-25-05, 11:49 AM
I grew up with all of them. Once you establish a standard like they did with so many Connery 007s you become jaded. You challenge each on to be better than Connery. Roger Moore tried to bring to much tongue in cheek humor into these high suspense thrillers. His character as the "Saint" came thru. Of the others in the group I would have to pick Pierce Brosnan to pick up the baton.

I guess the real question is, "Can
Craig carry the 007 Persona?" I saw him in the movie as Laura Crofts girl friend, Tomb Raiders I think. He did really pop out in that movie. I also saw Craig in a recent British Film where he was a drug dealer, leading role. He got beat up pretty bad in that movie. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Ralph
10-26-05, 01:30 AM
Yeah, when I watch A View to a Kill now, I am shocked at how old Roger Moore looked in that movie. As a kid I never noticed it but he was definately in need of replacement at that point just because he no longer looked convincing in the role of a suave, physically capable (in all ways, chuckle) secret agent.

That aside, it was a great movie with a [relatively] believeable story line, better than some of the other Moore-era stuff (Moonraker for example, was a bit silly in the writing but had great effects for it's time and some outstanding location shoots - I love the scene in Venice with the land-covertible gondola; it was a classic Bond moment) and Christopher Walken was great as the bad guy, too bad he didn't have a shot at a second appearance like Jaws did.

Oh, and I need to correct my earlier post in stating that Dalton only did one movie (duh, how'd I screw that up?) must have been thinking Lazenby when I said Dalton.

Also glad to read that the director has said there will be less in the way of special effects next time around, this had gotten out of control as of late.

One other thought, who else thinks the best Bond girls were stars who were lesser known in their time? I think the decision to use high-profile stars for Bond girls and some of the supporting cast was a bad call. John Cleese is a good guy, but simply cannot replace Q [not that anyone could really] and Halle Berry? Maybe I'm biased because I just don't care for her in general, but I think they could have cast that role better as well.

KDirk

Moonraker was awsome!!! I have fond memories of my father taking me to "The Spy Who Loved Me" AND "Moonraker" and I was fascinated by that Lotus underwater.

Say, do you guys remember all that controversy over the female helicopter pilot in "The Spy Who Loved me?" supposedly "she" was a GUY but had the operation!!! I DEFINATELY heard this about one of the Moore Bond girls and I thought it was the pilot?? Moore even kissed her didn't he? Apparently that info came out years later.

klebrun
10-26-05, 01:38 AM
Moonraker was awsome!!! I have fond memories of my father taking me to "The Spy Who Loved Me" AND "Moonraker" and I was fascinated by that Lotus underwater.
Say, do you guys remember all that controversy over the female helicopter pilot in "The Spy Who Loved me?" supposedly "she" was a GUY but had the operation!!! I DEFINATELY heard this about one of the Moore Bond girls and I thought it was the pilot?? Moore even kissed her didn't he? Apparently that info came out years later.

Tula was her....errrr...his...errrr...the shemale's name....:wes:

http://www.universalexports.net/00Tula.shtml

Ralph
10-26-05, 01:44 AM
Tula was her....errrr...his...errrr...the shemale's name....:wes:
http://www.universalexports.net/00Tula.shtml

OMG Keith, you got all the interesting links! But that article is a bit confusing, it mentions legal problems meaning "it" was a guy, but then the last line contradicts the entire article......unless it's late and I'm tired and mis-read the meaning. So it WAS TRUE!!!

So it wasn't the pilot from TSWLM after all...

klebrun
10-28-05, 10:57 PM
OMG Keith, you got all the interesting links! But that article is a bit confusing, it mentions legal problems meaning "it" was a guy, but then the last line contradicts the entire article......unless it's late and I'm tired and mis-read the meaning. So it WAS TRUE!!!
So it wasn't the pilot from TSWLM after all...

I think what the article is stating is that in FYEO, transsexual actress Tula was one of the girls by the pool. Some have labeled her a "Bond girl" since she was in a Bond movie. When one thinks of a "Bond girl", they usually assume that Bond has bedded her. Hence the later rumor that Moore had done a love scene with a transsexual. That particular rumor wasn't true. Carole Bouquet was Moore's main love interest in FYEO.

So although it makes for more interesting and funny conversation to say that Moore played a love scene with a tranny, it actually didn't happen.

It would have been funny to see Moore's reaction if that had been the case.:alchi:

So the rumor that a transsexual played in a Bond movie is true, she just didn't end up in a love scene with Moore.

klebrun
10-29-05, 02:19 AM
Hey Ralph,

I found another link about Tula that you might want to check out. It goes into more detail than the previous one. It says she's currently married to a Canadian comic book artist (as of 2003, that is).

http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/history_transsexual_bond_girl.php3?t=&s=

Ralph
10-29-05, 11:11 PM
Hey Ralph,
I found another link about Tula that you might want to check out. It goes into more detail than the previous one. It says she's currently married to a Canadian comic book artist (as of 2003, that is).
http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/history_transsexual_bond_girl.php3?t=&s=

That's a good site! I'll have to look around for other stuff.

Here's another interesting Bond site, which has little headshot of every actor and extra in every Bond film. Here's the page for FYEO, with Tula walking by the pool. It also has Cassandra Harris, who was married to Pierce Brosnan before she died of ovarian cancer in 1991. The story is that she became friends with Cubby Broccoli, and introduced him to Pierce. The first night after they met over dinner, Brosnan drove home saying "I'm Bond, James Bond" over and over again. Apparently Broccoli remembered and offered him the role in 1986.

http://thecat.uw.hu/For%20Your%20Eyes%20Only%20Cast.html

And here's the main page:

http://thecat.uw.hu/Cast.html

klebrun
10-30-05, 01:44 AM
Thanks for the links. I always got a kick out of Victor Tourjansky in some of the Moore Bonds. I wonder if he was a friend of the Broccolis?

Ralph
10-30-05, 03:26 AM
Thanks for the links. I always got a kick out of Victor Tourjansky in some of the Moore Bonds. I wonder if he was a friend of the Broccolis?

Good question. He was never in any other Eon Productions. But I do know he was an assistant director on a lot of Italian movies in the 1970s.