So do anyone like the new Suburban Escalade? I think its a bit over-kill now with 3 different version of it in GMC, Chevy, and now Cadillac.

Blah. I'm not a big fan of trucks. If I were to buy one, it would be a Cadillac because I think they look FAR better than any truck. But still. I like cars. And that means I can't see on the road anymore because everyone else in New York has a truck.. :mad:

You think thats bad Sal? You should try down here in Texas. Its almost a law that every Texan must own a truck. Just too bad you get them 4 foot nothing moms driving Excersions and she can't see over the dash. Its like seeing no driver in that tank :shocked2:

well i think i'll prolly take the regular gmc/chevy since you can get the 8.1 vortec v8 or duramax diesel on those

That is completely pointless to have a SUV in the south. If you need to carry cargo, then you get a crew cab pickup.

Very small market for an SUV of that size even for :worship: Cadillac :eyebrow:

When the Escalades first came out, I didnt think they would do good. Moreover, I didnt think that they would be used as an SUV. I mean if people were going to buy an offroad SUV, they wouldnt get a cadillac, they would get a tahoe/suburban. Really, they arent going to spend 10k more for a cadillac SUV when the could get the same if not more off-roading capability in a suburban/tahoe.

Originally posted by elwesso
When the Escalades first came out, I didnt think they would do good. Moreover, I didnt think that they would be used as an SUV. I mean if people were going to buy an offroad SUV, they wouldnt get a cadillac, they would get a tahoe/suburban. Really, they arent going to spend 10k more for a cadillac SUV when the could get the same if not more off-roading capability in a suburban/tahoe.

um how many suv owners do you know that goes offroading(any model any make)? Not many. Very few to be more precise. THey just think suvs are safer because it's big and has 4wd capability

I think they buy them mostly because the neighbor bought one and they want to look as cool as they think he does. I only have one buddy with an Escalade, He bought the thing for two reasons...1. He only drives Cadillacs, 2. He needed a FWD truck to go hunting in. He's the only person I've ever seen that used his Escalade for what it should be used for. The thing is all scratched up from "Booney Crashing " and getting to where the game is and he also uses it for a work truck ( He has a small drywall co. ) It's the only Escalade that I've ever seen that I think looks cool! The rest of them with their stupid 24" wheels and their weak street tires should have bought a car!

I suppose most people dont buy SUVs to go off-roading. That is the only reason i buy one, and if i wasnt going off roading then i wouldnt get one. Besides, living in indiana it is kinda stupid not to have something with all 4 wheels turning.

I don't understand why someone would want one of the big ugly things unless they HAD to have it for carting stuff or curtain climbers around. I mean...The only reason I even have my van is 'cause it's needed for my business and keeps the miles down on the Cadillac! Fur the most part I think SUV means Stupid Useless Vehicle. That having been said....I do not agree with the IDIOT liberal Nazis that want to outlaw them! Those people are UN-American I.M.H.O.

Originally posted by kcnewell
I don't understand why someone would want one of the big ugly things unless they HAD to have it for carting stuff or curtain climbers around. I mean...The only reason I even have my van is 'cause it's needed for my business and keeps the miles down on the Cadillac! Fur the most part I think SUV means Stupid Useless Vehicle. That having been said....I do not agree with the IDIOT liberal Nazis that want to outlaw them! Those people are UN-American I.M.H.O.

Sorry kc but i have a suburban and a f250(4door) for towing(boat) and familiy vacation. I don't go offroading (i live near a city)

Originally posted by Devil_concours
Sorry kc but i have a suburban and a f250(4door) for towing(boat) and familiy vacation. I don't go offroading (i live near a city)


That's what I'm talking about dude! You've got a reason! I mean the suburban women and Yuppie men ( I use the term "Men" Loosely ) That buy them and drive them for no other reason than to have them 'cause they're in style....Or the IDIOT Hip Hop boys that think they look cool in them with the stupid looking 20"+ Wheels and giant boom box stereos! ( Like anybody's Impressed with their stereo!) That think because they have bad taste in music that I might want to share in it with them!....They're who I'm referring to. Not YOU!:D

SUVs are pointless if you dont use them for what their designed for. I mean some of people lower them, how pointless is that. But they are useful if they are used in the way they were designed.

Alas....We agree on that!

If it were up to me, i would discontinue the escalades, even if they sell good. Sorry, never been a big fan of cadillac SUVs.

Would you listen to yourselves. I don't have a 'Lade but everyone is saying how pointless the vehicle is. None of you drive your other Caddies because they are ugly or because they serve some specific purpose only. Everyone on here is swapping tips on how to make them look better or go faster or ride smoother. So whether someone buys an Escalade and drives it to the grocery store or jams 22's on it and lowers it, its their Caddy and thats what they want theres to look like or do.

It not an issue of if you would but 20's on yours or not, just like its not an issue to the Escalade drivers if you are reprogramming the computer in your Seville, Fleetwood or Deville to hop up the horsepower to some ungodly rating. Not every Caddy on this board is a daily driver (so how useless is that?) but you still cherish it cause its your baby. Lets not hate on those folks who can afford what they want also.

Hope I don't isolate myself on the board but I don't think you guys were hearing yourself bash other Caddy owners for loving their rides too.

We say what we think here! Good or bad....Sometimes guys will agree with you and sometimes they'll not. It doesn't mean they hate you they just disagree. It's a discussion forum hence we discuss things.....Sort of the nature of this beast! Read some of the older posts and you'll get a feel for what's happening here. We tend to point out our likes and dislikes rather strongly....There are people here that disagree with me almost every time I post but they NEVER tell me not to say what's on my mind. The differences of opinion are what makes this forum more interesting and fun than so many of the tech sites that you go to only when you have a question and then never go to again! Try to enjoy this....It's rare!

Don't get me wrong I enjoy the site, and appreciate all the opinions on here. Whether I agree or disagree, because it gives a different perspective on things we may have not thought of. This conversation just seemed soooooo one sided I felt I had to offer a different point of view as well.

Sometimes it can seem that way.....Then it'll turn on a dime and go the other way! No biggie!!

Yeah! Shut up KC ;)
See mnymaker, THAT's how you deal with him!
(putting my bullet-proof vest on and watching my back)

No, actually, KC's right. He is one of the BEST examples of what's GREAT about not only this forum but America. He's PASSIONATE about his life. You may not agree with him, but you gotta respect his honest passion. That's what won me over. If there's one thing I hate it's a PC, always agreeable, no-opinion-having........
Sorry, got carried away there ;)
You get the idea.

He isnt swayed by anyone...... Man I feel like im contributing to a ulogy (sp?)

HEY!! I'm sill alive here! Thanks Katshot! That was nice...You may now remove the body armor....LOL! :D

Oh wait! I have no opinion on that. What do you think?:D

American SUV's are cheap to make because they're just enclosed pick-up trucks. People who think that they're actually safer are falling for the "bigger is better" line.

There are a few SUV's that might be better-built and safer than their American counterparts--the Acura MDX, Lexus RX330, and Volvo XC90 come to mind. These vehicles are built on their own platforms. Nothing's been converted from another model.

But I agree with kc. I'm a car man. Trucks are only good for a specific purpose or as a 2nd or 3rd vehicle. I'm sick of trying to see around minivans and suv's just to back out of a parking space.

Originally posted by mnymaker
Would you listen to yourselves. I don't have a 'Lade but everyone is saying how pointless the vehicle is. None of you drive your other Caddies because they are ugly or because they serve some specific purpose only. Everyone on here is swapping tips on how to make them look better or go faster or ride smoother. So whether someone buys an Escalade and drives it to the grocery store or jams 22's on it and lowers it, its their Caddy and thats what they want theres to look like or do.

It not an issue of if you would but 20's on yours or not, just like its not an issue to the Escalade drivers if you are reprogramming the computer in your Seville, Fleetwood or Deville to hop up the horsepower to some ungodly rating. Not every Caddy on this board is a daily driver (so how useless is that?) but you still cherish it cause its your baby. Lets not hate on those folks who can afford what they want also.

Hope I don't isolate myself on the board but I don't think you guys were hearing yourself bash other Caddy owners for loving their rides too.

Cheers to that.

Kurt

That is true, and people can use their money however they want. If they want to spend 60k on a escalade and 22s, go ahead. But Madlac decided to start this topic, and we threw in our opinions.

But you have to admit, the first gen, and to some degree the 2nd gen escalades really arent all "cadillac". With the first gen, they were EXACTLY the same inside, minus the steering wheel emblem, and some wood trim, and other minor things. The second gen is better.

Yeah, But the second gen. is BUTT ugly! I like the DeVille/CTS look but it sucks on trucks! That's just my opinion....And most of my friends as well!

I agree!

What about an Excursion V10? How's that for overkill. People up here are getting suckie, they complain about bad gas mileage, I guess they should buy a Civic.

Originally posted by Ralph
What about an Excursion V10?


That's a Ford! We were only talking here about vehicles worth owning!

Thats what I dont understand...... People go buy these SUVs that get 11mpg (thats what our new suburban gets) and they complain about it. Well I get about 12 or 13 MPG in my Q, and I have to use PREMIUM, yet I dont complain. IF YOU DONT LIKE PAYING FOR GAS, DONT BY A GAS GUZZLER!

You have made my point....yet again! Eloquently, I might add.

Just trying to keep up. BTW, I am using that nice little feature called EDIT, so brain farts will be going down!!

Unless I bust you first with a quote!! LOL!!

You will never get me!!!!!!!!!

You got to admit that 8,000 pounds and a V-10 will make a man out of any wimp. I hate to knock our own, but to me, it just seems that the Escalade is just a Tahoe or Denali with an inflated sticker price. In Canada the EXT truck is stickered at 72,000, GAK, for a truck? I'm sorry, thats just too much deniro to be practical or look good.

Originally posted by Ralph
You got to admit that 8,000 pounds and a V-10 will make a man out of any wimp.

I've got to disagree with you Ralph! He'll just be a peckerhead in a big truck! We all know that,what you drive doesn't make you who you are.....But who you are might well determine what you drive....That little peckerhead might just need that truck to try to make up for something he thinks is missing in himself!

People buy Escalades because they're the most ostentatious vehicle they can afford. Escalade is big, luxurious, roomy, expensive, impressive, menacing, empowering, and secure. No mere car can deliver the same ownership and driving experience.

That's what owning a Cadillac is all about.

You may think driving around in an Escalade is wasteful, pretentious, ignorant, selfish, dangerous... that's exactly how many people viewed Cadillac cars in their heyday.

Arguing the technical merits or shortcomings or (gasp) utility of Escalade completely misses the point of the beast.

Escalade delivers the traditional Cadillac mystique better than anything else in the inventory today.

.Jinx

Originally posted by Jinx


Escalade delivers the traditional Cadillac mystique better than anything else in the inventory today.

.Jinx


That statement has to be based in a total lack of understanding of the so called Cadillac mystique! It's a CAR! It has no mystique! The Cadillac ownership experience has always been about luxury cars and has nothing to do with trucks! As far as obnoxious, wasteful, pretentious or any of that! Who cares? The Escalade is the low rent stepchild of an otherwise fine car company whos flagship...The DeVille is what the company has always done best and will continue to do long after the Escalade is commited to the memories of those who like to remember fads and flashes in the pan! No matter what they did to make it look like a cadillac on the outside it's still JUST A YUKON! with a bad facelift!

The thing is, all other cadillacs (with a couple exceptions) have their OWN chassis. The escalade shares it with 3 other vehicles, the tahoe, yukon, and denali. Just like KC siad, it has the cadillac wreath, but ISNT A CADILLAC!

http://www.rlautos.com/car3/640x512/13.jpg

See any resemblance??

And the EXT is just a Chevy Avalanche, who would want to drive down a country road with the back window out, can you say "eat dust."

Not to mention being the second UGLIEST vehicle G.M. EVER built! Second only to the Pontiac AZTEC!

Originally posted by Jinx
People buy Escalades because they're the most ostentatious vehicle they can afford. Escalade is big, luxurious, roomy, expensive, impressive, menacing, empowering, and secure. No mere car can deliver the same ownership and driving experience.

That's what owning a Cadillac is all about.

You may think driving around in an Escalade is wasteful, pretentious, ignorant, selfish, dangerous... that's exactly how many people viewed Cadillac cars in their heyday.

Arguing the technical merits or shortcomings or (gasp) utility of Escalade completely misses the point of the beast.

Escalade delivers the traditional Cadillac mystique better than anything else in the inventory today.

.Jinx


And this is why we live in AMERICA folks.... :D :banana:

Originally posted by kcnewell
Not to mention being the second UGLIEST vehicle G.M. EVER built! Second only to the Pontiac AZTEC!

I gotta admit it KC that AZTEC is butt ugly. I'm not sure what American engineer are thinking sometimes as far as what will sell. Maybe they need to help some of these old timers to retire and put some young innovative minds in the drawing rooms.

I laughed when I first saw the Aztek! I couldnt believe that Pontiac was serious.

Yeah it looks like something a kid would draw in the 3rd grade you know his super hero vehicle or something, with every unGodly attachment that you can strap on it as if someone is buying it as a survival vehicle. LOL

It was a pretty bad seller according to all the guys I know that sell cars! And they say it has terrible resale value!

Well that's believable. Who would want to pay a lot for that but ugly car. And the US wonders why the Japanesse and Euros are coming over here and sell the hell out of cars. It they continue to think that vehicles like the AZTEC will outsell a BMW X5 SUV they must be nuts.

We don't want our utility vehicles to have useful gadgets in America we just want them to look good. It's not like 90% are going to ever take that thing of the road or anything like that.

Plus do you know how hard it has to be to get laid driving an AZTEC?

Originally posted by mnymaker
[Plus do you know how hard it has to be to get laid driving an AZTEC? [/B]

Try Impossible!:D

Come to think of it, the SLS looks a little like a Taurus, or a Pontiac Bonneville.......oops.

Go to your room! And don't come out till I say it's OK! LOL!!

Don't mind me Daddy-0, I've just fallen in love with my fins and skirts. How many cars have those today.........NONE. LOL.

We could weld some on an STS! That'd be pretty!

Yeah then it would look like the Batmobile :D

I do not agree with the IDIOT liberal Nazis that want to outlaw them! Those people are UN-American I.M.H.O.

Hey, KCNewell... :) let's keep politics off this board. You know full well someones's gonna reply to that, saying something bad about the right and defending left. Same with the French guy who is no good at war.
Personally,i don't care if you say these things, I am just afraid that someone goes political, evetually we all end up flaming.
Environment, War on Iraq and other topics shold be looked at elsewhere, at, say www.wariniraqforums.com (not real site, just made up, though these days who knows...). This is www.CADILLACforums.com
I am not bitching, I am just trying to put out the fire before it starts. Kinda what is happening in Iraq.... damn, how did that slip in? :)

P.S. Also, I wish people proofread what they're saying before clicking "submit".
P.P.S By the way, Escalades are awesome, especially ee-es-vees, but I think they are just too small, cramped and hardly use any gas. :)

Ok, I am off my little soap box today...

Good for you! I disagree! But I'm glad we live in a place where we can disagree and not get shot for it!

Hey Lev, If you are an American, I notice you do not use a location? People seem to forget that in 1776, the FRENCH helped Americans fight the BRITISH! You have no future without your past BUD.

If it were up to me, i would discontinue the escalades, even if they sell good.

Hey, Elwesso, I think you should drop whatever you're doing and apply straight to GM. You don't even have to post a resume, just walk in and say, hey, this is a good seller that people want. Let's KILL it! I am telling you, GM management will be like "Hey, he thinks like we do, he is like us". You'll be hired on the spot, promise. (LOL)

Seriously, though Cadillac Escalade is an awesome machine, regardless whether it has customer wheels or is being torn up in some wild terrain.
Does anyone know the future for this truck? Any redesign due? Maybe GM should come up with some funky wheel designs of its own, thus people do not have to pay aftermarket wheel manufacturers. Just an idea.

P.S. In the immortal words of "504 Boyz": we roll tight whips... eh-veh-ree day, Bentleys, Lex-mercedes and.... well, you know :)

You all know that if you REALLY wanted an escalade you could go to your local chevy dealer and buy a tahoe/suburban/avalance and order the available escalade front clip (and tail lights of you really want 'em) and have it put on and still save around $7000...right?

Same truck.....Different face!

Exactly

Originally posted by Ralph
Hey Lev, If you are an American, I notice you do not use a location? People seem to forget that in 1776, the FRENCH helped Americans fight the BRITISH! You have no future without your past BUD.

1776.......That was a couple of weeks ago wasn't it? What have they done in this century? Or the last for that matter.

I'm checking my "Courage"O"Meter"............Still checking.

Still checking.......

Still checking................Can you hear me now?......Good!

I think Cadillac trucks ok. In my opinion, most owners bought their Escalade to try to be above the crowd. They dont have off roading, cargo capacity, etc in mind. They want a luxury mini van / truck.
I personally can find a use for all three models Escalade ;)

there is no suck........excuse me, such thing as a "luxury minivan" as i said before the escalade is just an over priced tahoe with a different front clip

Originally posted by STSFreak
there is no suck........excuse me, such thing as a "luxury minivan" as i said before the escalade is just an over priced tahoe with a different front clip

and a tuned vortec with higher output, and better awd system, more refined interior, and a cadillac emblem :D

My wife saw an EXT in Reno yesterday and asked me what it was. I told her and then she said " I don't care if it is a Cadillac We'll NEVER have one of those...It's the ugliest thing I ever saw! "
I couldn't help but agree with her.

You know what KC.....I think I like your wife, she seems to have the same taste i have in cadillacs

She's a woman of fine taste!..........I mean, Look who she married!

Lol...dont flatter yourself KC....and devil guy, "and a tuned vortec with higher output" they wouldnt buy an suv to go fast......"better awd system", who cares......"cadillac emblem", now those are pretty.

Heard it was a shotgun wedding,.............oops.

let's look at it this way.
Escalade was simply intended for a different consumer
ie. rappers, atheletes, soccer moms, ppl with no knowledge about cars.
jk
as i said though cadillac prolly knew that their suv will prolly never even touch the grass. Therefore it's a great suv long as you stay on road and are willing to put down some major bucks.

True, All true!

yes, i suppse.....personally, i think they are a waste of money, thats all i'm trying to say...that stuff is true though

I think their a waste of money also, and you will find MOST people on this board will.

I have to admit, if I won a lottery, and had a neighbour I didn't care for, and wanted to show him up, I'd buy one. My next choices might be a Lincoln Navigator/ Aviator, or a H2. If money were no object, call me petty! PS because I'm not wealthy, in the back of my mind they might be considered a waste of money, but then, most cars could be with too many options.

Dude......Don't even get me started on H2's!!!!

Me Either!

I have a hard time debating which is uglier!

I think i will rather have a suv than a van/truck though.

Currently has suburban and a f250 4 door

Wouldn't you rather have an Aztek (LOL) I hear they are comming out with a Rallye or GT package. KC might buy one.

Yeah! I'm already on the list for the first one off the line with 28" wheels! and 18" subs with a 2000 watt power amp so that when I'm going down the street in The Peoples republic of California listening to the CD player, Ralph will be able to hear it in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Canada!

Actually in the Peoples Republic of California you have the freedom to play a stereo loud, but here in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Canada we might get jailed for having a more powerful stereo than a Honda engine! Damn your dog is ugly, KC, but at least it is more pretty than my last girlfriend. PS is that an albino pig, oops, I mean dog?? I'm serious about the GT package on the arsetek, I read it in the Drive section of the newspaper!!?

Yeah.....I don't really play my stereo very loud Ralph, I see no reason to inflict my questionable taste in music on anyone else!

The dog?......I had that dog in the '80s his name was " Pinky the weird dog " ( Pink for short ) Albino Pit Bull....White with reddish eyes. He was a good dog but people used to be afraid of him 'cause of the odd looks!

Sorry to hear about your last girlfriend!LOL!

The asstek, Isn't worth comment!

In California we get pulled over for having the stereo too loud almost every weekend. I ride along with my friend in his little mini truck and we blast that stereo 'till we cant hear. It's quite fun because we will pull up next to some old lady and all she will hear is the bass and think "damn those kids with their rap music" then we roll the window down and she hears calssical or opera and she freaks out. TIS funny

Well I have to admit that when we cruised we never got pulled over for loud music. Gee, maybe I am in a free country after all (free to be dictated over LOL) I guess in larger metropolitan areas there are noise laws. 11 pm is when our noise bylaw kicks in. We never took classical along, in the late 80's, it was metal all the way. I don't think KC listens to classical, then again my Fiance can't see him in a Caddy either. (hehe)

I like Big Band swing too!

Yeah (now I can spell it) I love Sinatra, but I don't think I will crank it loud if I go cruising in an Escalade, might scare the old ladies comming from a dark-haired younger dude.

Might scare YOU when they come over " Lookin for love " LOL!

Ralph, I would like to mention to you that when you say that I live in a larger metropolitan area....it makes me cry. I wish I lived in a larger area, you see, I live in a quiet little town called visalia, there is nothing to do here, the weather is horrible, about 4 people speak english(everyone else speaks spanish only) and it is just too small. We do have very good cruising nights though. Anyone who has been to visalia know not to come back unless they have to.

Originally posted by STSFreak
Ralph, I would like to mention to you that when you say that I live in a larger metropolitan area....it makes me cry. I wish I lived in a larger area, you see, I live in a quiet little town called visalia, there is nothing to do here, the weather is horrible, about 4 people speak english(everyone else speaks spanish only) and it is just too small. We do have very good cruising nights though. Anyone who has been to visalia know not to come back unless they have to.

Sounds like where I'm from (Yorkton) 15,000 people and all there was is cruising. It's not so bad cruising or racing in small towns, except all the cops get to know you and what you drive. We also knew what the cops drove, and every month they would repaint their cars (pretty obvious in those days with a big antenna out the roof). As long as there are two lanes and sets of lights every block, it's fun! PS you live in California with fruit trees and surfers? How bad can the weather be?! You don't get 40 below weather and have the wolves scratching at you door at night! Love those Escalades (so I don't get kicked off this thread)

You can get kicked from threads? (yeah...escalade)

Originally posted by STSFreak
You can get kicked from threads?


Yes you can, Sort of. You'll be moved if your too far off topic to a forum more compatible with the subject matter. At the discretion of the Moderator.

Yeah, I LOVE those Escalades!!!!

Originally posted by kcnewell
Yes you can, Sort of. You'll be moved if your too far off topic to a forum more compatible with the subject matter. At the discretion of the Moderator.

uh huh. I'm letting this one go since you guys are having so much fun.

yes, i suppse.....personally, i think they are a waste of money, thats all i'm trying to say...that stuff is true though
i love my ext! had a avalanche before the ext and there is no comparison, the ext has a better ride, better seats, quieter, more power, heavy duty trans with cooler, awd vs 4wd,electronic shocks and load leveling, not to mention very little black plastic to treat. the ext fits my vehicle needs perfectly-90% of the time i want a nice quiet comfortable luxury ride, but 10% of the time i need to tow something, move something, haul something, pickup building materials for that home project, get thru some nasty michigan winter weather and a bunch of other things i could mention. the ext is the most versitale vehicle i've ever owned and is a joy to ride and drive. i wouldn't trade it for anything. now the H2 on the other hand is just plain DUMB. also the resale on ext's seems to be holding quite strong compared to other caddies- 2002's sell for 36-42k-compare that to an STS and you'll see what i mean-both about the same price new, but the EXT pulls almost 10k more resale-now that will buy a bunch of gas!! even at 12 mpg, thats 60,000 mile of "free" gas. and thens there is the real reason i have an EXT- my wife likes them!-lol

The Gen 2 Escalade is the primary reason Cadillac has emerged from its slump and is now enjoying a new-found brand awareness and image. The Escalade also gave Cadillac the much-needed credibility and improved “coolness factor” it lost with younger generations. Cadillac caters to several very passionate but distinctive groups. These groups include people who love roof conversion kits on Cadillac sedans, to people who put 24’’ on Escalades, and the midsize sedan/midsize sport sedan crowd with the CTS ( many of whom probably never considered a Cadillac ). On the other hand I know several old school ( roof conversion kit ) Cadillac owners that don’t even recognize the CTS as a real Cadillac noting it's too small to be a Caddy.

In short, the Escalade paved the way for this Cadillac resurgence buy doing exactly was it was designed to do, make a statement that few other vehicles can. When the 02 model was released, it let everyone know that Cadillac is back. Know if they would only upgrade the damn interior!

So do anyone like the new Suburban Escalade? I think its a bit over-kill now with 3 different version of it in GMC, Chevy, and now Cadillac.

I wonder if people still think that?

I see nothing wrong with Suburban Escalade. Didn't back when it was just out and still do not.

The thing i find funny is the jealousy factor that knc is involved in. He says he hates escalades, the only reason most likely being, he cant afford one. If you look at what he said more than a year ago, this is how dumb he is. He said that the only escalade he's ever liked is his best friends truck who "has scratches and dents all over it from off roading and his dry wall business. Last time I checked it wasnt COOL to have scratches all over your 50,000 + escalade you paid for.

i love my ext and get nothing but compliments every day. women's eyes light up and other truckers envy. theres nothing like walking through a parking lot toward your escalade as it stands tall over just about every other vehicle in sight, the mesmerizing visual chemistry of the beautiful white diamond paint being kissed gently by the florida sun. nothin like it. there is nothing bad to say about escalades, if you can afford one. naturally, those who cannot afford one or whose wives prevent them from buying one, will hate. "people hate when your better than them. if they aint hatin', start worryin' then." -T.I. (one of those rappers who make that distasteful music)

I get a kick out of people who think that an Escalade is just a Tahoe with a Cadillac emblem on it. Yes, they have the same frame, but that is the only thing that is the same with them. Every single thing on an Escalade is upgraded. I looked at getting a Tahoe that was upgraded as much as you possibly could and it still couldn't compare to a base model of an Escalade. You do pay for the emblem, but you also get a hell of a lot more with it.

i love my ext! had a avalanche before the ext and there is no comparison, the ext has a better ride, better seats, quieter, more power, heavy duty trans with cooler, awd vs 4wd,electronic shocks and load leveling, not to mention very little black plastic to treat. the ext fits my vehicle needs perfectly-90% of the time i want a nice quiet comfortable luxury ride, but 10% of the time i need to tow something, move something, haul something, pickup building materials for that home project, get thru some nasty michigan winter weather and a bunch of other things i could mention. the ext is the most versitale vehicle i've ever owned and is a joy to ride and drive. i wouldn't trade it for anything. now the H2 on the other hand is just plain DUMB. also the resale on ext's seems to be holding quite strong compared to other caddies- 2002's sell for 36-42k-compare that to an STS and you'll see what i mean-both about the same price new, but the EXT pulls almost 10k more resale-now that will buy a bunch of gas!! even at 12 mpg, thats 60,000 mile of "free" gas. and thens there is the real reason i have an EXT- my wife likes them!-lol

You took the words right out of my mouth.
I had an Avalanche and traded up to the EXT and there's definitely no comparison. The EXT is way more vehicle. Suits my needs to a "T" ..
As for the gas guzzling issue.
35 years ago when we had the gas crisis, the goverment was yakking about becoming self sufficient with the oil issue but if they haven't done it by now ( think about it...35 years! ) they never will.
There's no country I'd rather live in than the good 'ol USA so for people to say gas guzzlers are supporting terrorist etc .. think about it.
It just doesn't fly.
I mean do you have to have a need for something to buy it.
Hey last time I looked I was still in America!!
Just my 2 cents.
Regards.. Frank

Why is it that most people who dont like escalades.......could'nt afford to buy one if they did like them

I don't understand why someone would want one of the big ugly things unless they HAD to have it for carting stuff or curtain climbers around. I mean...The only reason I even have my van is 'cause it's needed for my business and keeps the miles down on the Cadillac! Fur the most part I think SUV means Stupid Useless Vehicle. That having been said....I do not agree with the IDIOT liberal Nazis that want to outlaw them! Those people are UN-American I.M.H.O.
Last I looked we do live in America land of the free. I feel if you can afford and Escalade without selling the kids. What difference does it make. You should have the freedom to drive whatever vehicle you can afford and want. People like you really piss me off. You are not paying my truck payment. As far as Escalade's being ugly I feel a lot of people would disagree with you. Why would they be a #1 selling vehicle ??? You are on a Cadillac Forum and I personally feel offended that you would refer to Escalade's as "SUV means Stupid Useless Vehicle" You should be more respectful to us Caddy owners. If you want to drive a van good for you. But don't try and stuff your B.S. opinion on us Escalade lovers. I don't mean to sound unreasonable but I feel you are out of line.
Peace :xsmile:

Last I looked we do live in America land of the free. I feel if you can afford and Escalade without selling the kids. What difference does it make. You should have the freedom to drive whatever vehicle you can afford and want. People like you really piss me off. You are not paying my truck payment. As far as Escalade's being ugly I feel a lot of people would disagree with you. Why would they be a #1 selling vehicle ??? You are on a Cadillac Forum and I personally feel offended that you would refer to Escalade's as "SUV means Stupid Useless Vehicle" You should be more respectful to us Caddy owners. If you want to drive a van good for you. But don't try and stuff your B.S. opinion on us Escalade lovers. I don't mean to sound unreasonable but I feel you are out of line.
Peace :xsmile:
I'm with you xray tell this dude to get off our forum and stop hating. Why do you even take the time to hate on us. I have never had any negative comments about my truck. And yeah I got 20+ rims on my truck so what. It's extra style to the truck. I don't know anyone who would think its cool to dent and scratch up an escalade but you. Go drive your van around with you dumb comments. Calling us "stupid useless vehicle" hahaha stop hating.

yeah eat that haters. LOL. i thought the original subject was a question about the escalade esv being too much of a vehicle. how did we get people talking about the looksand waste of money and stuff. i guess people are mad at the other folks that own one. My answer to the original question is no it is not too much vehicle. remember what they say "size does matter" lol. oh yeah i own me a 04 escalade ESV and i am about to lower it and slap some 24's on that biatch. :lildevil:

So do anyone like the new Suburban Escalade? I think its a bit over-kill now with 3 different version of it in GMC, Chevy, and now Cadillac.
I am in shock in awe after driving a couple that people pay so much for them. And yes GM has whored it out. Silverado, Denali, Yukon, Escalade, EXT, ESC, EXT, SUV, blah blah blah. I cannot believe the Escalade has so many exposed screws.
But big is in. The infintii QX56 is a quality nightmare but people buy em.

Looking at the Landcruiser into a Lexus LX 470, there is more of a different. And the Landcruiser is more luxurious than any Escalade. With Lexus touching it up, the Escalade is not even close luxury wise. I think they add some wood trim around that horrible dash.

But the Escalade and all 500 versions of it is BIG, it is "in your face" and people like it because rappers and blingers like it and its good that Caddy sells them.

Its like the new age version of Caddys with the white tops......

People buy Escalades because they're the most ostentatious vehicle they can afford. Escalade is big, luxurious, roomy, expensive, impressive, menacing, empowering, and secure. No mere car can deliver the same ownership and driving experience.

That's what owning a Cadillac is all about.

You may think driving around in an Escalade is wasteful, pretentious, ignorant, selfish, dangerous... that's exactly how many people viewed Cadillac cars in their heyday.

Arguing the technical merits or shortcomings or (gasp) utility of Escalade completely misses the point of the beast.

Escalade delivers the traditional Cadillac mystique better than anything else in the inventory today.

.Jinx
Great post. I agree. I read a review in EVO magazine and they were going over the Escalde and asking Cadillac officials about it. They did not want to be named but yes there were happy the Thing was selling but there were troubled by what is stands for and the most popular caddy is a gussied up Silverado. They also were not sure if they were happy with who and how the Escalade was projected.

I am in shock in awe after driving a couple that people pay so much for them. And yes GM has whored it out. Silverado, Denali, Yukon, Escalade, EXT, ESC, EXT, SUV, blah blah blah. I cannot believe the Escalade has so many exposed screws.
But big is in. The infintii QX56 is a quality nightmare but people buy em.

Looking at the Landcruiser into a Lexus LX 470, there is more of a different. And the Landcruiser is more luxurious than any Escalade. With Lexus touching it up, the Escalade is not even close luxury wise. I think they add some wood trim around that horrible dash.

But the Escalade and all 500 versions of it is BIG, it is "in your face" and people like it because rappers and blingers like it and its good that Caddy sells them.

Its like the new age version of Caddys with the white tops......

Sorry sir I own a Landcruiser and an Escalade. I also am not a rapper or blinger. The Escalade is much more luxuious and comfortable than the Landcruiser. I hardly even drive my Landcruiser anymore it's like driving a pick-up truck compared to my Escalade. I will still use it but mostly for grunt work like picking up Christmas trees or lumber. I never thought I would be a Caddy lover. I don't think I will every drive anything else. Only ++'s I see between the two is the heat and air conditioning works quicker in the Landcruiser :)
Peace :worship:

I actually hate people who say, buying gas is supporting terrorist, either way, whatever car i have, I'd STILL HAVE TO BUY GAS. Unless of course i had a cheap solar powered car that would have trouble getting up a small hill. Either way, with or without suv's and gas, If the terrorist want money, they'll get it somehow.

:yeah:
Peace :xlol:

Root of this problem is just jealosy. Plain and simple. Most people who own Escalades are like myself. 4 or 5 cars in the garages and needed something that has work capability (carry the dogs to the park) and travels well.
Simply put I would not own or consider any other Cadillac besides their "trucks".
If I needed a sport sedan I would definitely go with a BMW/Mercedes. CVT are just BMW wanta be's without the looks, clout, performance or built quality.
For the full size sedan I will continue to own and purchase what my wife drives Lexus LS's. Even though I am over 50, I still can not see myself in a caddy sedan. My father's car image still well-entrenched. I do not hate these of lines of cadillacs but also do not try to disse the people who do.
Stop the hate and jealosy and enjoy what you like and can afford.

Jealosy has clouded many a person's ideologies. :coolgleam

Let me tell you something. I have been shopping for a while now and I got my EXT for the following reasons:

Stabiltrak with the AWD and RSS! So, it rides much better!
HIDs
Nicer dash, not cheap looking ones like the GMCs and Chevy versions
Painted everything that Avalanche doesn't have
Higher Output Engine with lots of torque!
Nicer exterior, prettier than the Avalanche, right?
Rear Bumper Sensors with visual and audio indicators
Quieter interior and the doors shuts quieter too.
Longer standard warranty

I got it at a employee discount!!

Any questions? What are you doing in our forum if you hate our Escalades so much?:D

i actually use my escalade for the ranch sometimes like when im in a hurry i just get in it we bought the hummer for the ranch but sometimes things happen over there so i forget just get in the lade and go over there but i dont think the escalade is supposed to be used for off roading

I am really only looking at an escalade since i am in the market for a luxury car but New England Winters suck and my job requires me to get to work rain or shine. My current vehicles are a 98 Camaro SS for the summer/Drag the other is a 97 jeep cherokee that i use as my winter vehicle. I also do some off roading in it since well, its a jeep:)

I like the escalade my only gripe is that it gets 12mpg city. My 400hp camaro makes 19 city and my jeep makes 18 city.

For what it's worth, my 2000 is driven on many beaches here on Long Island...you should see the funny looks I get. One guy out at Montauk Point said "Hey, those Caddy's aren't made to do any 4 wheelin....they're just made for looks." Guess he was wrong!!

We have owned 26 Grand Cherokee's in my companies, my last two 5.9's and 4.7 H.O. got under 11 mpg in the city, my Escalade is not much better but at least gets 12.2 in the city, much better than the 10.6 my 02' GC gets. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

My 99 Escalade does thirty mile round trips in deep Matagorda sand for beachfront surf fishing or surfing, trounces through Marsh in search of ducks and redfish, launches Dad's boat for surf and fishing excursions, and tows the equipment for the Texas Gulf Surfing Association,

It gets used for what it was made for... and still snaps necks on the streets from time to time even though it is all stock except for some air shocks and some 10" subs!

Gotta love it!