: Escort Passport 8500 X50



Koooop
09-22-05, 02:30 PM
Fellow V owners!

I an attempt to keep our insurance under control my wife got me a Escort Passport 8500 X50 for my birthday!

Is this the one to have or should I trade it for a better model?

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks

Bob

2005V
09-22-05, 02:46 PM
I'm a Valentine One man myself but I have heard very good things about the 8500 x50. I like the fact that the V1 (hard wired thanks to Reed's FAQ) counts the number of sources and indicates direction. There is a bit of a learning curve but it is by far the best radar detector I have ever owned and I wouldn't leave home w/o it. Just my $.02...

Nick

05StealthGray
09-22-05, 03:16 PM
My son and I both have a Passport 8500 X50. They have saved us countless times. I have had several passport models over the years and have been very pleased. The driving force that made me get the Passport vs the Valentine was overall smaller size of the Passport and the lack of POP detection in the Valentine unit. Most folks will tell you that the Passport and the Valentine are the best.

waswas
09-22-05, 05:16 PM
Valentine now has POP protection.
I love mine. Has "paid" for itself many times over.

Florian
09-22-05, 05:20 PM
Valentine, there is no substitute!


F

dqw1
09-22-05, 08:00 PM
I have an X50, saved me a bunch of times. I've always wanted a Valentine but you can't go wrong either way. Keep it.

Wienk
09-22-05, 08:06 PM
I have Valentines hard-wired in both my cars, with remote displays mounted in front of the instrument panel. In the V, my receiver is mounted high on the windshield, on the opposite side of the rear view mirror, so even though it is not in my line of sight, the fore and aft sensors are unblocked by either the mirror, the sun visor, or a passenger. Works great!

wildwhl
09-23-05, 12:20 AM
I have the X50 and it works great. Have not had a Valentine in a while...but IMHO, the X50 has saved me countle$$ dollar$.

Since you received it as a gift - keep it - hardwire it - and use it :thumbsup:

lawfive
09-23-05, 01:17 AM
The x50 is good stuff, from what I hear. But the new Bel is supposedly the serious shit, more sensitive than the V1, with POP and KU. Love the x50, but lust for the Bel.

Florian
09-23-05, 09:15 AM
POP has yet to have precedent set in ANY state. I wouldnt worry about getting a coupon as a result of it. Your worst enemy now is LIDAR, the fellas just love to have a unit that looks and feels like a big gun in their hand and have to aim it at you. Gives em a little rod. Get a unit that is sensitive to LIDAR and keep your eyes open. If you hear the LIDAR warning...its too late.

F

6104696
09-23-05, 11:09 AM
POP has yet to have precedent set in ANY state. I wouldnt worry about getting a coupon as a result of it. Your worst enemy now is LIDAR, the fellas just love to have a unit that looks and feels like a big gun in their hand and have to aim it at you. Gives em a little rod. Get a unit that is sensitive to LIDAR and keep your eyes open. If you hear the LIDAR warning...its too late.

F

yeah but I have been saved by my Passport detecting Lidar being used on a car in front of me. Any Lidar, K, or Ka signal, no matter how brief, will immediately get my attention. If cops want to catch me all they need to do is use X band.

Koooop
09-23-05, 11:54 AM
The x50 is good stuff, from what I hear. But the new Bel is supposedly the serious shit, more sensitive than the V1, with POP and KU. Love the x50, but lust for the Bel.

Thanks for all the input,

I read about the Valentine and that's what I would have bought if I'd written the check, I don't think I'll be trading the X50 for a Valentine (sounds like apples for apples) but I'll read up on the bel unit, I haven't even heard of that one.

Bob

2005V
09-23-05, 11:54 AM
The x50 is good stuff, from what I hear. But the new Bel is supposedly the serious shit, more sensitive than the V1, with POP and KU. Love the x50, but lust for the Bel.

According to "Radar Roy"...

Escort 8500 X50 (http://www.radarbusters.com/products/escort/8500.asp) & Bel RX65 (http://www.radarbusters.com/products/beltronics/rx65.asp): The top model for corded radar detector is tied between the Escort 8500 X50 and the Beltronics RX65. The main reasons for this tie is that they are basically are the same radar detector.

Two years ago, Escort bought out the Beltronics company, so now both companies are the same, with different divisions. They share the same office complex, their radar detectors are made in the same plant, and they share the technology.

The Escort X50 is available in red display for $299.95 or blue display for $339.95. The reason for the price difference in the blue display is that the gases used to make the blue cost considerably more then the red

The Beltronics RX65 has voice, what we feel is a better tech mode and Ku band for European radar bands

The Escort has a slanted display window that is designed to give a better view to the driver when placed in the middle of the windshield.

The Beltronics RX65 has a straight forward facing display and is slightly smaller in length then the Escort

As far as performance, they are all identical.

Nick

2005V
09-23-05, 11:57 AM
By the way, the V1 has Ku capabilities as well. For those interested in activating that feature, here is a link:

Reprogramming the V1 (http://www.valentine1.com/lab/MikesLabRpt3.asp)

Nick

Koooop
09-23-05, 12:47 PM
Well that sure made reading up on the bel easy!

Thanks!

tomm
09-23-05, 02:38 PM
According to "Radar Roy"...

Escort 8500 X50 & Bel RX65: The top model for corded radar detector is tied between the Escort 8500 X50 and the Beltronics RX65. The main reasons for this tie is that they are basically are the same radar detector.

Two years ago, Escort bought out the Beltronics company, so now both companies are the same, with different divisions. They share the same office complex, their radar detectors are made in the same plant, and they share the technology.

The Escort X50 is available in red display for $299.95 or blue display for $339.95. The reason for the price difference in the blue display is that the gases used to make the blue cost considerably more then the red

The Beltronics RX65 has voice, what we feel is a better tech mode and Ku band for European radar bands

The Escort has a slanted display window that is designed to give a better view to the driver when placed in the middle of the windshield.

The Beltronics RX65 has a straight forward facing display and is slightly smaller in length then the Escort

As far as performance, they are all identical.

Nick

The 8500 x50 will have a flash available soon for KU band since it will be used in US next year.


Valentine now has POP protection.

I love mine. Has "paid" for itself many times over.

The 8500 x50 has always had POP protection.


POP has yet to have precedent set in ANY state. I wouldnt worry about getting a coupon as a result of it. Your worst enemy now is LIDAR, the fellas just love to have a unit that looks and feels like a big gun in their hand and have to aim it at you. Gives em a little rod. Get a unit that is sensitive to LIDAR and keep your eyes open. If you hear the LIDAR warning...its too late.

F

This is not true. POP is a real threat and those using the guns properly will check your speed with POP and then hit you with a regular non-POP signal. Most of the time you will not even know you are being hit with POP unit. There are several POP guns on the market and there are even some guns that are completely undetectable by any of the top 3 radar detectors. (V1, 8500x50, RX65)

For Example: http://www.mphindustries.com/products_home/stationary_radar_z35.html

They can keep shooting at all the cars they want and no one would even know until they switch it out of POP mode, hit you with a regular signal which will appear to be an instant on signal and pull you over since you will have no time to react.

As far as which one is better... They are all good and no one is much better than the other. Keep your 8500 x50 and register it so that you can be informed from Escort when a new flash is available.

slow35th
09-23-05, 02:46 PM
8500 x50 is my preference. Passport is the original.

thebigjimsho
09-23-05, 08:18 PM
The 8500 x50 will have a flash available soon for KU band since it will be used in US next year.



The 8500 x50 has always had POP protection.



This is not true. POP is a real threat and those using the guns properly will check your speed with POP and then hit you with a regular non-POP signal. Most of the time you will not even know you are being hit with POP unit. There are several POP guns on the market and there are even some guns that are completely undetectable by any of the top 3 radar detectors. (V1, 8500x50, RX65)

For Example: http://www.mphindustries.com/products_home/stationary_radar_z35.html

They can keep shooting at all the cars they want and no one would even know until they switch it out of POP mode, hit you with a regular signal which will appear to be an instant on signal and pull you over since you will have no time to react.

As far as which one is better... They are all good and no one is much better than the other. Keep your 8500 x50 and register it so that you can be informed from Escort when a new flash is available.I'm not threatened by POP. It's a flawed way of measuring speed and I'd show it in court if an officer ever tried to hit me with POP to then verify with a conventional gun. The only reason V1 designed a POP sensitive detector was because they'd get slaughtered in the marketing department if they didn't. Like most issues in speed enforcement, what the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public(Quote from Zelinsky, the Auto Parts King--Tommy Boy).

thebigjimsho
09-23-05, 08:19 PM
8500 x50 is my preference. Passport is the original.Designed, in part, by Mike Valentine.

slow35th
09-23-05, 09:08 PM
Designed, in part, by Mike Valentine.

You are correct.

Koooop
09-23-05, 11:16 PM
The 8500 x50 will have a flash available soon for KU band since it will be used in US next year.

So you're tellin me I will be able to reflash and update my Radar Detector?

Holy Crap! :thepan:

f2000keith
09-23-05, 11:27 PM
I don't think you could do it. It would have to get sent back into the factory for reprogramming.

tomm
09-24-05, 12:19 AM
I'm not threatened by POP. It's a flawed way of measuring speed and I'd show it in court if an officer ever tried to hit me with POP to then verify with a conventional gun. The only reason V1 designed a POP sensitive detector was because they'd get slaughtered in the marketing department if they didn't. Like most issues in speed enforcement, what the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public(Quote from Zelinsky, the Auto Parts King--Tommy Boy).

Your missing the purpose of POP. POP is used to see who is speeding and once they get their reading the SAME POP gun will hit you with a conventional radar signal and you will not have any warning. There is nothing that you can use in court to fight the POP reading because they will not issue you the ticket from the POP reading but rather the conventional reading that will quickly follow.

This would have the same effect as if the officer was just sitting there waiting for a car that looked like it was speeding and then used instant on to hit you. In this case he is just using POP to make sure you are speeding before he hits you.

If you have ever seen a POP gun you will see it is a conventional radar gun that has a POP mode. They will hit you in the POP mode and then follow it with a regular hit.

tomm
09-24-05, 12:21 AM
So you're tellin me I will be able to reflash and update my Radar Detector?

Holy Crap! :thepan:

The units are upgraded by the factory only. Register your product and you will be informed when upgrades would be needed.

thebigjimsho
09-24-05, 12:41 AM
Your missing the purpose of POP. POP is used to see who is speeding and once they get their reading the SAME POP gun will hit you with a conventional radar signal and you will not have any warning. There is nothing that you can use in court to fight the POP reading because they will not issue you the ticket from the POP reading but rather the conventional reading that will quickly follow.

This would have the same effect as if the officer was just sitting there waiting for a car that looked like it was speeding and then used instant on to hit you. In this case he is just using POP to make sure you are speeding before he hits you.

If you have ever seen a POP gun you will see it is a conventional radar gun that has a POP mode. They will hit you in the POP mode and then follow it with a regular hit.what the problem is that his probable cause is based off the erroneous POP reading. I would shoot down the erroneous POP reading like I would an officer not observing the car for at least a 1/4 mile. Whatever the case, the V1 does now pick up on POP crap and either way, I'm never paying for a ticket.

tomm
09-24-05, 01:56 AM
what the problem is that his probable cause is based off the erroneous POP reading. I would shoot down the erroneous POP reading like I would an officer not observing the car for at least a 1/4 mile. Whatever the case, the V1 does now pick up on POP crap and either way, I'm never paying for a ticket.

I am just stating the facts and if you feel you can beat the ticket then more power to you. As far as the V1 it can detect POP Mode on 2 radar bands like everyone else from the older POP guns but it CAN NOT detect the POP Mode from the newer MPH guns that operate at a much higher speed. You can ask Mike Valentine or anyone else and they will tell you that as of right now the is no stable way to detect it.

V-Max
09-24-05, 11:54 AM
I just recieved a brand new V1 with POP last week as my old unit(1997) was stolen.

The new MPH Z35 radar ups the ante. My V1 might need to be upgraded soon. :)Couple of things that work againist the Z35:

-Z35 is used stationary only, cannot be moving.
-Z35 Hand held, the likelihood of a cruiser stopped along side of the road in the same direction of travel is rare.
-Z35 does not use DSP that previous generation radar uses which can select which lane they want to montior.
-Z35 only tracks the strongest or largest target(trucks show up over cars)
-No information if Z35 POP can be used to measure traffic in both directions as the officer sits.

tomm, POP is K or Ka. There is no difference in the frequency which will make it detectable in the future if it is not currently. Supposedly to make newer POP detectable, more false signals will be detected by a detector. If thebigjoeshow can beat regular radar on the street or in court he has no threat of POP. POP does not use a computer to track a history of sample readings used to verify a "locked on" speed. Rocky Mountain Radar uses the same prinicple in their jammers. They are not actually jamming the radar, but confusing the computer sampling and not allowing a locked on speed. Ask me how I know! An officer maybe able to turn off the computer sampling or listen to the doppler frequency while the radar is being used and a detector will be recieving the signal the whole time.

When caught sleeping at the wheel I have ask for a locked on speed when stopped, the officer gives some excuse that I seen you flying faster than surrounding traffic or the nose of your car dived('99 Regal GS - read soft suspension) and they say your using a detector as they look into your car. If it is local I will go to court to at least drop the points.

Which leads me to the question of why twice, once in Indiana and once in Michigan recently, my V1 picked up two(2) sources when being zapped by an oncoming officer? Maybe be POP?

Norm - who has used a radar detector since 1986.

Florian
09-24-05, 12:09 PM
Norm,

You and I are both from the Communist state of Ohio and we are the killing fields for LIDAR and radar troopers. The fact that the Staties have yet to adopt the POP is more an indictment of its apparant shortcomings. LIDAR will continue to be the weapon of choice for the Troopers due to its high reliability in court, ability to be aimed very accurately and its rapid rate of speed measurement return. The POP is too fast even for the computers of the POP guns themselves to be reliable. That is the core of the POP fight. If it were reliable, then the POP guns would be out en masse and in use, however their lack of crediblity/accuracy is why we wont be seeing them anytime soon here. If youre using a V1 (or most other type of detector) youll get a nice series of instant on bursts as the cars in front get lit up and probed giving even the most novice of users plenty of time to get in line and avoid the coupon givers.

F

V-Max
09-24-05, 08:25 PM
Actually thinking about being POP'ed then radared for lock-on just adds to to the prey's time to react if you add it all up. :)

If the MPH Z35 is truly undetectable, then it will be only time before the detector industry catches up. When shopping for a detector you really need to find one that is upgradable overtime to stay up on the latest counter technology. I have owned a V1 since '97 and have upgraded three times. And the cost easily covers tickets and artificially rising insurance premiums.

Actually OSP is not that bad as they spend most of their on the freeways and not in citys. NY State police are everywhere, anytime I have been through twice in the last two months.

I bought V1 becuase of it's excellent X-band range compared to others. Aside benefit were the dual recievers(front & back) with arrows to tell the direction of the source. The arrows will really show how radar can get bounced off of road signs and bridges.

Norm