Can anyone tell me if the warranty is voided if I install the CTS-V exhaust on my 05' CTS and also is there any difficulties in the install, should I take it to a dealer or a midas shop? Thanks ,Rich

Not sure if the install will void warranty or not. Midas shop should be able to do it. Someone has a paper on it. You have to heat up the hangers and bend them a little bit and get a flange from 2 to 2 1/2" piping. Should cost between $50 - $100.

I will only void the warranty on the exhaust system.

Yes it can void your warranty. In fact there is a recent Cadillac memo that went out to dealerships advising them about not installing aftermarket parts on the cars and how that could effect aany warranty claims.

Will it void your warranty? Don't know??

Can it void your warranty?? YES it COULD. People who willy-nilly say the opposite are dead wrong.

Should the dealer void your warranty? I don't know, but the only question to ask isn't whether the dealers is correct but whether they will void your warranty.

If you install a V exhaust and your engine blows, can they try to void your warranty and make you pay for it? YES they can!!!

"
General Motors does not support or endorse the use of devices or modifications that, when installed,

increase the engine horsepower and torque.

These same policies apply as they relate to the use of non-GM accessories. Damage or failure from the

use or installation of a non-GM accessory will not be covered under warranty. Failure resulting from the

alteration or modification of the vehicle, including the cutting, welding or disconnecting of the vehicle's

original equipment parts and components will void the warranty."

"
Dealers should be especially cautious of accessory companies that claim the installation of their product

will not void the factory warranty. Many times these companies have even given direction on how to

quickly disassemble the accessory in an attempt to preclude the manufacturer from finding out that is

has been installed."



http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/tsb/data/ib/04-06-04-054-amparts.pdf

I thought the whole idea of the Magnuson-Moss Act was to protect consumers from this very thing. “I'm sorry, you put a non-GM authorized bumper sticker on your car. We don't warrant your car any more.”

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm

I'm fairly certain that they can only void the warranty on parts that are directly affected, not the WHOLE car.

Putting a V exhaust (it's a GM part!) on a CTS will likely void your exhaust warranty, since you have to cut it to make it fit. It will NOT void the warranty on the transmission or your Nav system, for instance.

So if the dealer installs a Corsa exhaust (GM accessory) it's OK, but if the owner buys it from someone other than GM and installs it himself, its not??????

I thought the whole idea of the Magnuson-Moss Act was to protect consumers from this very thing. “I'm sorry, you put a non-GM authorized bumper sticker on your car. We don't warrant your car any more.”

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm

I'm fairly certain that they can only void the warranty on parts that are directly affected, not the WHOLE car.

Putting a V exhaust (it's a GM part!) on a CTS will likely void your exhaust warranty, since you have to cut it to make it fit. It will NOT void the warranty on the transmission or your Nav system, for instance.

So if the dealer installs a Corsa exhaust (GM accessory) it's OK, but if the owner buys it from someone other than GM and installs it himself, its not??????

NO, the gist of Magnuson-Moss is this:

A dealer cant REQUIRE you use a particular oil or filter or other mainenance type product UNLESS they provide those items free of charge. So you CAN go to Jiffy Lube and they can't void your warranty cause you used Pennzoil Synth instead of Mobil 1. But they can refuse to cover it if the Jiffy Lube guy forgets to put the drain plug into the pan.

Magnuson allows you to buy a Fram Oil filter instead of a GM oil filter, unless GM provides it for free. That's it!

JT, I think you are an alarmist needing a reality check.:D

But they can refuse to cover it if the Jiffy Lube guy forgets to put the drain plug into the pan.

But if Jiffy Lube forgets to put the drain plug in, ruining your engine, will GM no longer warrant your Nav system or your headlights?

But if Jiffy Lube forgets to put the drain plug in, ruining your engine, will GM no longer warrant your Nav system or your headlights?

Comeon! They will fix your nav, its your engine that you will need to get Jiffy Lube to rebuild.

Look here: http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=8128

I'm NOT making this stuff up.

JT, I think you are an alarmist needing a reality check.:D

And you are the one giving people legal advise as to how Cadillac will interpret their warranty claims. You prepared to back up $$ all the legal advice you dish out??


"I will only void the warranty on the exhaust system."
RobertCTS

You SURE about that Bob?

Comeon! They will fix your nav, its your engine that you will need to get Jiffy Lube to rebuild.

Thanks, that was my whole point. Installing a CTS-V exhaust will not void the warranty on the entire car, just the exhaust.

Thanks, that was my whole point. Installing a CTS-V exhaust will not void the warranty on the entire car, just the exhaust.

Not so fast, if you install the V exhaust then what will cadillac do if your engine died for unexplained reasons. That's the question!

:leaving: :Poke:

Not so fast, if you install the V exhaust then what will cadillac do if your engine died for unexplained reasons. That's the question!

Then Midas would be out of business, since only the dealer could install 'factory' exhausts! And we'd all be outlaws, since everyone on this board has a mod to some extent or another.

I agree that if someone installs a superchager on their V and they blow the diff that's not rated for the power, it's not likely to be covered. But an exhaust (especially from another CTS) ????

Either way, it won't void the warranty on the entire car. Only on those pieces that it is proven to directly affect. Engines these days are pretty robust and versitile. Just don't expect a V exhaust to add 20% more power to your car. It won't add more than 3%, if that. It's more for sound.

Just don't expect a V exhaust to add 20% more power to your car. It won't add more than 3%, if that. It's more for sound.

And don't expect an added V exhaust to sound like a real V. Nothing can be done to a 6 cyl CTS to make it sound like the V8 of the real V.

Ody I definitely see were ur coming from but what JT is saying is that Cadillac could possiblly void the warrenty to any number of parts if it's believed the CTS-V exhaust or any other exhuast or mod was the root cause of the problems... So if u install a v exhaust and the exhaust system gets messed up some how, Cadillac may just void the replacement of the exhaust and obviously not the warrenty on the Nav for example but lets say ur engine stops workin and u blow a rear dif all after installing the CTS-V exhaust (which I'm sure they consider a performance mod), Caddy could then possibly void the warrenty on fixng the engine and rear dif all because they believe the V exhaust to be the cause of those failures..

We all know dealerships will try to get away with anything they can.. They probably see it as GM part or not, if its not Stock parts its a problem..

You know you have the right to challenge your dealership. First you can strongly oppose their decision verbally and in writing. Next you can demand a Factory Rep. and then an Arbitrator. I had an issue that they insisted was due to my aftermarket 18" rims. I told them the diameter was exactly the same as the OEM wheels. They said not so. I got steamed and demanded they put OEM wheels from inventory on my car. They did. The problem did not go away. They conceded it wasn't my wheels and continued to test. I told them at the git-go it was a steering sensor. They said they had to following procedures. They replaced the steering sensor and the problem went away. If a dealer gets chicken shit with you, you do have some alternatives.

What's interesting is many of these dealers offer these mods as dealer installed options and they warrant them. PJEsquire is a prime example of that!

So after all the discussion , no one knows for sure wheter or not the warranty is voided .

So after all the discussion , no one knows for sure wheter or not the warranty is voided .

But we sure have are opinions don't we? :D I feel safe with the changes I have made. My dealer knows I've done them and nothing was ever said about my warranty.:yup:

Here's my last comment. Midas installs REPLACEMENT exhaust components that are designed (within specs) for your car. Having Midas replace your exhaust with their brand of exhaust, if its within specs won't/can't void your vehicle's warranty. This is/should be obvious.

If however you have Midas install a "performance" exhaust, in order to increase the HP or torque of your car, then Cadillac CAN void any warranty claim that they can demonstrate was caused by your modification. It would then be up to you to disprove them in a court of law or via arbitration. Its pretty simple stuff here.

So you do a performance mod, larger diameter exhaust, performance intake, headers, pulleys, blower, etc. Cadillac CAN void any warranty claim that they can show was caused by your mods.


Again---READ THIS:
http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/tsb/data/ib/04-06-04-054-amparts.pdf (http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/tsb/...054-amparts.pdf)


Cadillac said this NOT ME!

You can talk and argue till you are blue in the face and it aint gonna ghange whether you run the rish of getting your warranty voided, the simple answer (if there is one) is MAYBE!

Interesting. It seems that the document is mainly aimed at dealers who install non-GM aftermarket items: volants, corsas, wheels, etc. (GM parts operation wants the business!)

Overall, folks need to realize that if you do some mod that causes something on the car to fail, the repair won't be covered under warranty. For example, if my differential goes out to lunch, GM could argue that my volant and V exhaust boosted the horsepower and torque of my engine beyond the specification of the differential and caused the failure. (Yeah, right.) However, if my turn signal actus up again and blinks furiously, they could not link the cause to my mods.

The bottom line is: If the aftermarket part in question caused the component to fail, that component will not be covered under warranty. For example, if you were to put headers on your CTS and they develop a leak (they almost always do) and this causes a couple of burnt valves. The valves would not be covered. In your particular case putting an aftermarket exhaust on will only void the warranty on the exhaust. The dealers are just trying to pull a fast one, because they do not like doing warranty work.:lies:

Boy did this thread open up a can of worms.

Have ALL of the authorities spoken?:D